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I must say, I was rather disappointed by the action of McCullum to run-out Murali as he went to congratulate Sangakarra for a fine century.
A kiwi friend of mine remarked to me today, rather ruefully, after watching the events, how "We can never complain about the Australians bowling underarm to us after this".
Fair go, definitely against the 'spirit of cricket'.
bombersno1
9 Dec 2006, 19:13
Murali should have known the ball was still in play. After 109 tests you'd think he'd know that play does not stop until the ball is deamed dead. I agree with McCullum and I would have done exactly the same thing if I was keeper!
crowsarethebest
9 Dec 2006, 19:14
Eh.. I though it was pretty bad sportsmanship. It's a pretty cheap way of getting someone out... not really something you would be happy about.
legitimatic
9 Dec 2006, 19:16
Wasn't really necessary, not like New Zealnad were in danger of losing the match and needing a crucial wicket, within the rules and a silly error on Muralis parth though.
Andrew Mc
9 Dec 2006, 19:17
Well I guess that those that say that Murali's action is within the rules will have nothing to complain about.
reminds me a bit of the time when dean jones got run out when he thought he was out (but wasn't because it was a no ball) and was walking towards the pavilion. wonder if it couldve fell under the ruling that he never attempted a run so shouldn't have been ruled out? then again, as flemming pointed out, what wouldve happened if the throw from the deep was wild, would they have taken overthrows?
a tough decision for the umpire, a morally tough decision for the kiwis, but an experienced cricketer as murali is, he shouldnt have got too caught up in the excitement
dont bowl there
9 Dec 2006, 19:21
I havent seen it so i cant really judge, but from what i have read it seems a bit dodgy. Cricket should always be played in the spirit of the game and this seems like one of those moments where it hasnt been. Second time the NZ keeper has done this as well which tells me that he doesnt play the game right.
bombersno1
9 Dec 2006, 19:22
Eh.. I though it was pretty bad sportsmanship.
How is it any different to Arjuna Runatunga asking for a runner becuase he is fat and can't run anymore. I find that more of "bad sportsmanship" than running someone out when it actually is legal and within the rules to run Murali out!
Cooldude
9 Dec 2006, 19:27
The ball was still in play, the throw was just coming in from the boundary, it was an instinctive thing for McCullum to take them off. Murali should've known better
apollo_creed
9 Dec 2006, 19:35
Congragulations more people have posted in this thread than there were people at the match over the 5 days.
TorresIsGod
9 Dec 2006, 19:50
Very poor from Murali, though he was never intending to run a second, he grounded the bat over the crease, and started to walk before McCullum even had the ball, from a side on shot, you can see Umpire Brian Jerling telling Murali to get back in his crease, because he was aware of what was going on, McCullum took the bails off, and it was well within the rules and it's out, Poor from Murali, and I feel it's totally fair enough.
Similar to when Brad Haddin ran out The QLD bloke the other night (had a brain fade and was doing some gardening as Haddin gloved the ball when Maher left it.
Also, that one where Jones was run out after walking off, they have changed that rule now, and the batsman cannot be run out if he is under the impression he has been dismissed and is walking off the field.
I'm surprised Murali is still playing Test cricket, I thought he got booted out years ago.
eddiesmith
9 Dec 2006, 20:34
The Haddin one was worse
I'm surprised Murali is still playing Test cricket, I thought he got booted out years ago.
Does he still chuck the ball? :p
Bartram_Class
9 Dec 2006, 20:51
Against the spirit of the game, Fleming should have called him back.
I have never liked McCullum.
eddiesmith
9 Dec 2006, 20:52
Against the spirit of the game, Fleming should have called him back.
I have never liked McCullum.
NSW showed the other night that the spirit of cricket doesnt exist on runouts
Bartram_Class
9 Dec 2006, 20:56
NSW showed the other night that the spirit of cricket doesnt exist on runouts
One set of rules for NSW, a different set for the rest isnt it?
bombersno1
9 Dec 2006, 21:40
Against the spirit of the game,
And Ranatunga asking for a running becuase he is fat isn't against the so called "spirit of the game".
Met McCullum in the City a few years ago, great bloke and a funny bastard too.
BM was perfectly entitled to run Murali out, they are the rules in place and it was perfectly legal, pity we can't say the same for Muralis action.
McCullum is said to be one of the worst sledgers in world cricket. Not in the spirit of the game but technically within the laws. Similar to the underarm and Mankading.
ManWithNoName
9 Dec 2006, 22:38
Boo friggity hoo. He was outside the crease, he got run out. I see Sri Lanka are whinging about it, whimps. Though I haven't noticed Murali complaining about it, it seems he's taken it the way a sportsman would, good on him for that.
Cooldude
9 Dec 2006, 23:33
What Murali should've done is make sure the ball was dead before going
The ball was still coming in from fine leg when he walked outta his crease, what the hell do ya expect McCullum to do? Of course he was gonna take them off
Just a stupid brainfade from Murali, there's nothing unsporting about it.
Does he still chuck the ball? :p
He certainly does. A few blatant throws I saw Friday and I only watched for about 10 overs Not his normal warped action, definite bent arm and out and out throws.
Here is the run out
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D3ObXmALrRk
PrideOf
10 Dec 2006, 07:03
This just proves that McCullum - and all of New Zealans - are racist. And they hate Muslims.
This just proves that McCullum - and all of New Zealans - are racist. And they hate Muslims.
they're all buddihst aren't they?
footy_rulz
10 Dec 2006, 07:16
Did anyone see what happened to Chris Simpson on Wednesday against NSW? Jimmy Maher was facing and he left a ball and it went through to the keeper, Haddin. When the ball was in Haddin's hands Simpson, who was the non-striker, walked up the pitch and did some gardening on the pitch. Haddin saw this and rolled the ball along the ground and hit the stumps and SImpson was run out. This is not in the spirit of cricket IMO.
What is controversial about the Murali run out. The ball was still alive and he walked out of his crease. He should know the rules.
The Chris Simpson one on Wednesday night was worse but also correct.
Adelaide Hawk
10 Dec 2006, 07:49
Haven't seen it, but unless Murali was attempting another run, what the New Zealanders did was pathetic. As the first post says, if I ever hear a NZ whingeing about the underarm delivery again, they can get stuffed.
Adelaide Hawk
10 Dec 2006, 07:52
What is controversial about the Murali run out. The ball was still alive and he walked out of his crease. He should know the rules.
The Chris Simpson one on Wednesday night was worse but also correct.
The Trevor Chappell delivery was within the rules as well, but everyone accepts it was still wrong.
bulldog pommy
10 Dec 2006, 07:55
Why was the square leg umpire walking in if the ball was still alive?
Grimreepah
10 Dec 2006, 07:57
Here is the run out
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D3ObXmALrRk
Good work:thumbsu:
It must have been a relay throw or something for Murali to think it was a dead ball. From that vision it looks like Murali's fault. Although the umpire coming in may have created some confusion, you can't just tap in and immediately start walking up the other end while the ball is still in the outfield.
As if you wouldn't take the bails off.
This just shows how downright stupid Muralitharan is - imagine if it happened here in Australia, he would be on his high horse about how racist Australian's are, vendetta against him because S.K.Warne is better, etc, etc, et f*cken cetera.
As for the umpire making a tough call, that would be the easiest call he would have ever had to make.
LongBomb
10 Dec 2006, 08:20
As much as I dislike Muralitharan, this is terrible sportsmanship from the kiwis.
Let them never speak of the underarm incident again for they are just as bad.
Power21
10 Dec 2006, 09:13
Against the spirit of the game, Fleming should have called him back.
I have never liked McCullum.
It is not against the spirit at all.
Just dumb by Murali.
WynyardCat
10 Dec 2006, 09:34
According to the laws, the ball is live until it's resting in the keepers gloves and the umpire considers that no further act of play will take place.
Spirit of the laws is one thing, but according to the laws of the game Murali was silly to leave his ground while the ball was still being returned from the outfield.
All the keepers I know would have done the exact same thing.
GrayNicolls
10 Dec 2006, 09:43
i agree that what the keeper did was instinctive but they should have called him back
disgraceful sportsmanship
dan warna
10 Dec 2006, 09:54
<shrug> NZ dont have a right to complain about stuff that happens to them.
they whined so hard regarding australia's negative bowling and certainly wasn't as bad as what they did to murali.
murali shouldn't QQ but kiwis seem to be the queens of crying ><
SriLankanCat
10 Dec 2006, 10:12
I always have a chuckle about how everyone brings up arjuna Ranatunga and then whinges when peopple bring upo Shane Warne etc. whenever a controversial incident happens in cricket...
Ranatunga was prone to saying silly things...but as for the runner...he got a runner when he was injured...maybe the injury was because he was overweight but who cares, he was injured...when he got the runner he missed the subsequent game didnt he
Steve Waugh always had a dodgy groin and he took those injuires into matches but was still allowed a runner when the laws cleary state that if u carry an injury into a game then u cant get a runner...
Even Mark Tayllor has said that Ranatunga wasnt a cheat...
The aussie team didnt like him cause he gave them a taste of their own medicine and they couldnt handle it...fancy a team taht says some of the most personal sledges in the world getting upset over the things Ranatunga said to them...the classic being when Ranatunga said warne was overrated prior to the 96 World Cup Final...lmao being called overrated, compare that to some of warnies sledges
red+black
10 Dec 2006, 10:20
The dismissal is perfectly legitimate and i would have done the same thing. Didn't any of you watch Donald Trump on The Apprentice last week? You never give a sucker an even break. The ball was live. As has been mentioned, what if the return was wild and went wide of the keeper, allowing a couple overthrows? Would Sri Lanka have taken them? Murali could have been deemed to be getting a head start.
The ball is still in the out field, Murali should know better than to leave his crease. All he had to do was wait another couple seconds. Any argument that NZ were certain to win is pure supposition. Sri Lanka had already put on 71 for the last 2 wickets. Another 20 or 30 would have set NZ with a difficult target given how the first 2 days played out.
I will say that the umpire contributed to the dismissal though. He should not begin walking until the ball is dead. And he shouldn't be signalling anything to the batsman. I'd recommend a warning to the umpire, and for all square leg umpires to be reminded not to move until the ball is dead.
Media beat-up. It really is about time this BS "spirit of cricket" was done away with. Either it's a Law or it's not.
reminds me a bit of the time when dean jones got run out when he thought he was out (but wasn't because it was a no ball) and was walking towards the pavilion. wonder if it couldve fell under the ruling that he never attempted a run so shouldn't have been ruled out?
Under the Laws of the Game, Jones should have been given not out. The umpires did not know the rules.
SriLankanCat
10 Dec 2006, 10:26
I think tis a bit different if the throw was wild because that is a skill error from a fieldsman and i think there is an understanding in cricket that if the keeper or whoeever is at th e stumps doenst take it cleanyl then he should pay the panalty..as for celebrating, i think once again there is an understanding that u dont run a player out...so imo i dont think u can compare the two
Having said that, McCullum was within his rights to do what he did and Murali was stupid for doing wat he did...adn the lankans have no one but themsleves to blame for the incuident and for the loss
The good thing is, this has increased the publicity and maybe the corwds will be bigger next time around
SriLankanCat
10 Dec 2006, 10:29
The dismissal is perfectly legitimate and i would have done the same thing. Didn't any of you watch Donald Trump on The Apprentice last week? You never give a sucker an even break. The ball was live. As has been mentioned, what if the return was wild and went wide of the keeper, allowing a couple overthrows? Would Sri Lanka have taken them? Murali could have been deemed to be getting a head start.
The ball is still in the out field, Murali should know better than to leave his crease. All he had to do was wait another couple seconds. Any argument that NZ were certain to win is pure supposition. Sri Lanka had already put on 71 for the last 2 wickets. Another 20 or 30 would have set NZ with a difficult target given how the first 2 days played out.
Media beat-up.
Under the Laws of the Game, Jones should have been given not out. The umpires did not know the rules.
That Jones incident was quite bad, i rememebr it quite well...
a bit like when Darrel Hair gave inzi out against England when he was trying to avoid being hit
eddiesmith
10 Dec 2006, 10:32
That Jones incident was quite bad, i rememebr it quite well...
a bit like when Darrel Hair gave inzi out against England when he was trying to avoid being hit
Inzi was out, wasnt as clear cut as people make it out to be, he wasnt stationary in his crease when the ball was thrown so the avoiding the ball doesnt come into play
mickeytg
10 Dec 2006, 10:40
Good work:thumbsu:
It must have been a relay throw or something for Murali to think it was a dead ball. From that vision it looks like Murali's fault. Although the umpire coming in may have created some confusion, you can't just tap in and immediately start walking up the other end while the ball is still in the outfield.Wasn't a relay throw, was watching it on Fox live and Murali ********ed up. Bad luck I say.
red+black
10 Dec 2006, 10:41
Couldn't find that runout, I do remember it, but I did find this Inzy runout (warning, sound is a bit loud):
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Yes he was wearing Mushtaq's shirt for some reason :confused:
red+black
10 Dec 2006, 10:42
Inzi was out, wasnt as clear cut as people make it out to be, he wasnt stationary in his crease when the ball was thrown so the avoiding the ball doesnt come into play
From memory, I think his actions warranted dismissal for obstructing the field, rather than being called runout.
Murali was dumb....you don't leave your crease when the ball hasn't even been returned to the keeper....
Simpson was equally dumb. You don't back up and then not get back in your ground....
Blue Red and Gold
10 Dec 2006, 10:47
pretty poor from McCallum if you ask me.
PrideOf
10 Dec 2006, 10:56
pretty poor from McCallum if you ask me.
Second time he's done it too, so much for the spirit of NZ cricket. I never want to hear them cr@p on about the injustice of the underarm incident again.
SriLankanCat
10 Dec 2006, 11:14
How can Inzi be out obstructing the field when the ball hit the stumps???
I stand corrected but i thoguht he was given run out...
He was clearly trying to avoid being hit from the vision i saw
eddiesmith
10 Dec 2006, 11:17
He was also out of his crease when the ball was thrown
SriLankanCat
10 Dec 2006, 11:27
I just saw the Murali incident and it was quite confusing for all concerned...but i stand by wat i said, murali was silly!
Anyway, concetrating on Sangakarras innings for a sec...wat a brilliant effort...the last 2 wickets contributed 71 runs...malinga got 0 and murali 8...wat a fabulous effort...and when u consider the field was spread and only gving him singles..it is fantastic skill to be able to find gaps in the field!
its a shame that his innings will be remembered for The runout rather than his brilliant skill
jnash196
10 Dec 2006, 12:01
How can Inzi be out obstructing the field when the ball hit the stumps???
I stand corrected but i thoguht he was given run out...
He was clearly trying to avoid being hit from the vision i saw
In that series Inzi was given out controversially twice,once when Harmlesson threw down his stumps the other was obstructing the field, i can't remember why.
Blue Red and Gold
10 Dec 2006, 12:23
Here is the run out
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D3ObXmALrRk
Cheers for that
I dont care what the law says, that is pretty poor from McCullum. Very cheap.
apollo_creed
10 Dec 2006, 12:49
Cheers for that
I dont care what the law says, that is pretty poor from McCullum. Very cheap.
agree.
he made the run, wasn't attempting another one.
Just dirty cheating from the Kiwis.
I can't imagine Gilchrist doing the same thing.
Well done to Sangakkara though, one of my favourite players and unlike most Sri Lankan batsman actually making runs away from home.
eddiesmith
10 Dec 2006, 12:53
agree.
he made the run, wasn't attempting another one.
Just dirty cheating from the Kiwis.
I can't imagine Gilchrist doing the same thing.
Well done to Sangakkara though, one of my favourite players and unlike most Sri Lankan batsman actually making runs away from home.
Wow, talk about deluded :eek: Gilly like every other keeper wouldnt think twice about it
After watching that I cant see what the complaints are, the ball is returned from the outfield, the batsman is out of his crease, the ball is still very much in play, even the umpire was trying to tell Murali get back in your crease, McCullum did the right thing
Lenny29
10 Dec 2006, 14:58
The irony about people defending Murali under the "spirit of cricket" is delicious.
The bloke's been chucking for years, had the rules changed to suit him but that appears to be fine!
Blue Red and Gold
10 Dec 2006, 15:03
The irony about people defending Murali under the "spirit of cricket" is delicious.
The bloke's been chucking for years, had the rules changed to suit him but that appears to be fine!
I am not defending Murali, I dont like the bloke, if anything I am having a go at McCullum, it wouldnt matter who he got out.
Instead of people blaming McCullum and Haddin for the runouts [both quite legal],how about blaming the 2 dumb arses that got themselves run out ?
Simpson showed again on friday night that he's as thick as a brick when it comes to running between the wickets.
No doubt 'Fatarse' Ranatunga will be in the news soon claiming the Kiwis are racist.
Instead of people blaming McCullum and Haddin for the runouts ,how about blaming the 2 dumb arses that got themselves run out ?
Simpson showed again on friday night that he's as thick as a brick when it comes to running between the wickets.
[B]No doubt 'Fatarse' Ranatunga will be in the news soon claiming the Kiwis are racist.
Wouldn't be surprised if he bought 2 tickets to NZ, wobbled his fat ass out onto the ground in Wellington during the 2nd test and ordered a walk off.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
10 Dec 2006, 16:10
Wouldn't be surprised if he bought 2 tickets to NZ, wobbled his fat ass out onto the ground in Wellington during the 2nd test and ordered a walk off.
GOLD :D :D :D
Ricketts
10 Dec 2006, 17:06
Murali deserves it.
End of.
Harvey to Hayes
10 Dec 2006, 18:13
agree.
he made the run, wasn't attempting another one.
Just dirty cheating from the Kiwis.
I can't imagine Gilchrist doing the same thing.
Well done to Sangakkara though, one of my favourite players and unlike most Sri Lankan batsman actually making runs away from home.
Partially agree. No-one's mentioned that the run had brought up a magnificent century by Sangakarra - 100 out of 170 that effectively gave them a chance of staying in the match - so Murali going up to congratulate him was hardly unexpected and obviously the cause for the lapse in concentration. Imagine if the non-striker had been run-out congratulating Steve Waugh after that ton at the SCG or on some similar occasion....
Agreed that it was within the rules, but definitely outside the spirit of the game. One of them should have called him back, obviously worried that the partnership was potentially putting them back in the game....
Grimreepah
10 Dec 2006, 18:32
Imagine if the non-striker had been run-out congratulating Steve Waugh after that ton at the SCG or on some similar occasion....
As someone mentioned earlier, imagine if there were overthrows. Would Murali have put his hand up saying 'Sorry Sanga, we can't run because I thought the ball was dead'?
Kerr4PM
11 Dec 2006, 03:01
well all i can say is that if i was in the same situation, i would of ran the batsman out...
Black Thunder
11 Dec 2006, 03:27
is there any vision of this as i haven't seen it at all??
Black Thunder
11 Dec 2006, 03:35
just got some of youtube....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3ObXmALrRk
fair enough from McCullum.... he almost certianly would've known that Murali was just celebrating the ton but it's just stupidity on Murali's part. He should've stayed in his crease like 99.9% of batsman before him have done. Especially in the proffesional environement of test and even first class cricket, the keeper would've run him out 9 times out of 10.
Stephen Felming summed it up perfectly in this statement: "You can't just wander off when the ball's in mid-air and if we'd had an overthrow I'm sure they would have taken that." http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/nzvsl/content/story/271912.html
if there was an overthrow than Murali would've had a 2-metre head start on what he otherwise should've.... therefore fair game.
Black Thunder
11 Dec 2006, 03:36
the other thing too should the umpire be motioning him to go back?? i know he was just interprating something to Murali but that's a little bit unusual...
Adelaide Hawk
11 Dec 2006, 04:43
Once again Murali is the victim of RULES. I guess the ICC are meeting to discuss changing the rule so Murali can never be given run out again.
red+black
11 Dec 2006, 07:14
How can Inzi be out obstructing the field when the ball hit the stumps???
I stand corrected but i thoguht he was given run out...
He was clearly trying to avoid being hit from the vision i saw
My bad, getting confused with another controversial Inzy dismissal. Scorecard below is where Inzy was out obstructing the field:
India in Pakistan, 2005-06, 1st ODI, Peshawar, 6 February 2006 (http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/IND_IN_PAK/SCORECARDS/IND_PAK_ODI1_06FEB2006.html)
Maybe I'm not sure of the Inzy runout you refer to.
Joffaboy
11 Dec 2006, 07:21
Dumb dumb cricket from Murili.
I saw it live on Foxtel and Murli is a complete doofus. You cant just wander off down the pitch while the ball is in mid air from an outfield return. FFS how long has this bloke been playing flipping international cricket.
Vision of the umpire signalling Murili to get back.
Murili has nobody else to blame but himself. the Kiwis have nothing to be ashamed of.
However I am sure the Sri Lankans, will play thie race card and pull out thier victim mentality and scream and whinge and b!tch :rolleyes:
Fair dinkum they should be enlisted by the Irish as their IR team they whinge that much.
just maybe
11 Dec 2006, 09:34
This just proves that McCullum - and all of New Zealans - are racist. And they hate Muslims.
Wow, you've certainly covered yourself in stupidity with this comment.
If you're going to make a dumb joke, at least get the religion of Sri Lanka correct :rolleyes:
crownie
11 Dec 2006, 11:34
how can anyone say what McCallum did was wrong?
idiots
Blues_Man
11 Dec 2006, 14:21
Haven't seen it, but unless Murali was attempting another run, what the New Zealanders did was pathetic. As the first post says, if I ever hear a NZ whingeing about the underarm delivery again, they can get stuffed.
From a kid cricketers are taught to stay behind their crease until the ball is dead ...only an idiot would consider what McCullum did as anything other than a simple runout ..Murali must have the brain the size of a pea .
Joffaboy
11 Dec 2006, 14:41
From a kid cricketers are taught to stay behind their crease until the ball is dead ...only an idiot would consider what McCullum did as anything other than a simple runout ..Murali must have the brain the size of a pea .
You are just saying that because he is Asian. The Asian countries (with the backing of poor old pitiful South Africa) will now vote to ensure you never again sit on the international umpires panel ;)