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Romeo
12 Dec 2006, 16:10
I agree with him, the pitches seem to be all flat and aren't diverse in character like they used to be. Perth was always bouncy and lively, Sydney actually seamed in the 70's and was often described as a greentop, Melbourne was variable in nature, Adelaide flatish but took wicked spin late, while Brisbane gave the bowlers quite a deal of help.

It's false now to describe our decks as pacy and a great test for batsmanship. If we aren't careful we will lose our advantage over sub-continent teams who find our higher bouncing, faster pitches challenging (at least they used to be). The pitch for the first test in NZ had more life in it than ever of our recent test ones and the tracks in South Africa are now much more renowned for the assistance they give to the seamers.

It's about time this situation was remedied; it can't only be the drought.

Cook laments lack of chin music as bouncy decks lose mojo

Andrew Ramsey
December 12, 2006

FORMER England under-19 captain Alastair Cook has challenged a truism about Australian cricket pitches that has existed almost since his namesake discovered the Great South Land 236 years ago.


Cook claimed that Australia no longer boasts the fastest, bounciest pitches in the world and that the honour now rests with England. The 21-year-old's assessment is based on the benign decks the tourists have encountered in the Ashes series to date.
With the WACA Ground expected to produce a lifeless deck for the third Test which begins on Thursday, Cook believes Australian curators could learn a lesson from their often-maligned English counterparts.
"You hear everything about coming to Australia and the bouncy wickets (but) the bounciest wickets I've played in my career so far have all been in England," Cook said yesterday.
"It's been surprising. The Adelaide one (for the second Test) was very slow. It was more like a subcontinental wicket."
Cook claimed the pitch used for last weekend's two-day tour match at the WACA exhibited a bit of life early but then flattened into a trouble-free batting surface on which he plundered a confidence-boosting century.
He added that while the practice nets at the ground seemed "quite lively" he, like the remainder of the English and Australian squads, had no idea how the Test strip would play.
But local experts believe it is likely to be something of a bowlers' graveyard and offer marginally more to the spinners than the seamers.
While England underwent a team bonding session last night thanks to captain Andrew Flintoff organising the entire squad to attend an Elton John concert in Perth, Cook has also been working on tightening his batting technique.
Having shown uncertainty outside his off stump to Australia's pace bowlers operating around the wicket, the left-hander has re-aligned his batting stance and trained assiduously against net bowlers and training staff replicating the Australian ploy.
"It has been different, but I've reacted to that and practised my technique, studied it and now I'm feeling very confident about it," Cook said.

Lach72
12 Dec 2006, 16:12
And aren't they lucky, with the tripe they dished up that masqueraded as batting

bus24
12 Dec 2006, 17:08
They are ridiculously flat, but flatter than the England wickets, doubtful. I've seen 1 pitch in the last 3 English summers that had something in it for the bowlers.

Grimwood
12 Dec 2006, 18:57
They are ridiculously flat, but flatter than the England wickets, doubtful. I've seen 1 pitch in the last 3 English summers that had something in it for the bowlers.

You've only watched 1 test in the last 3 English summers then!

I don't think the pitches in Australia are totally flat (Stuart Clark would definitely disagree) but they're certainly starting to get a bit flatter and lose a bit of their character. If Australia have lost both Warne and McGrath by the next Aussie summer then prehaps some of the younger bowlers could struggle first up if the pitches don't have a little bit more life in them.

Cassius_Clay
12 Dec 2006, 19:49
Thanks for the news flash Alastair.

bus24
12 Dec 2006, 19:52
You're entitled to your own opinion Big Gay Al, but if they are so flat why are you averaging 22.5 ?

CrazyQ
12 Dec 2006, 19:56
You're entitled to your own opinion Big Gay Al, but if they are so flat why are you averaging 22.5 ?
He just made a ton.

bus24
12 Dec 2006, 19:58
He just made a ton.

Against the worst bowling attack in Australia. All good and well making scores in tour games against sub standard bowling, but when the pressures on, he is averaging 22.5 on flat decks.

Pedro
12 Dec 2006, 19:58
He just made a ton.

In a practice match

likka
12 Dec 2006, 20:08
Thanks for the news flash Alastair.

He was just answering a question asked by a bored journo looking for a story. He's just calling it as he sees it.

CrazyQ
12 Dec 2006, 20:15
Against the worst bowling attack in Australia. All good and well making scores in tour games against sub standard bowling, but when the pressures on, he is averaging 22.5 on flat decks.
Are you telling me a bloke who is 21 years old, averaged 55 with 3-4 tons coming in this tour is a choker?

Geez, so 2 bad matches and Cook is a choker.

He would be Australias best young bat by a mile.

likka
12 Dec 2006, 20:18
Against the worst bowling attack in Australia. All good and well making scores in tour games against sub standard bowling, but when the pressures on, he is averaging 22.5 on flat decks.

FFS the kid is only 21, averaging over 50 in test cricket, and loaded with talent... does Australia have any comparable 21 year olds?

bus24
12 Dec 2006, 20:19
FFS the kid is only 21, averaging over 50 in test cricket, and loaded with talent... does Australia have any comparable 21 year olds?

I didn't say the kid wasn't any good, he will be a gun, even to an extent now he is.

Cassius_Clay
12 Dec 2006, 20:20
He was just answering a question asked by a bored journo looking for a story. He's just calling it as he sees it.
Well maybe I should have thanked Romeo for creating a pointless thread.

likka
12 Dec 2006, 20:24
Well maybe I should have thanked Romeo for creating a pointless thread.

You mean ANOTHER pointless thread... be a good place to start.

Mr P@H
12 Dec 2006, 20:45
Well i presume it's down to the drought? There are only 4 really flat pitches in England and they are Lord's (sometimes) T'Oval, Canterbury and Taunton. The rest have something in it fr the bowlers. The Rose Bowl and Hove take Spin, OT is fairly good for seamers as is Edgers and Chester-le-street.

Romeo
12 Dec 2006, 21:34
He just made a ton.


In a game not considered first class.

Romeo
12 Dec 2006, 21:37
Well maybe I should have thanked Romeo for creating a pointless thread.


I didn't think it was pointless, the changing nature of our pitches is worth observing and debating.

In any case I don't think it was an off the cuff answer. I think that Cook is making a mildly sarcastic remark about our pitches not living up to his expectations of them. He's basically asking what is the all the fuss made of adapting to Australian conditions when they're hardly foreign to the Englishmen with the lack of bounce and bite largely absent.

bus24
12 Dec 2006, 21:41
No-one is happier than Channel 9 that the wickets are Dead and flat as a pancake. I think if you serve up a pitch with some bounce in it nowdays, most games won't go past three days.

Most batsman have adapted to the dead tracks being produced everywhere and when faced with a wicket that offers something for the bowlers, most crumble.

Romeo
12 Dec 2006, 22:04
No-one is happier than Channel 9 that the wickets are Dead and flat as a pancake. I think if you serve up a pitch with some bounce in it nowdays, most games won't go past three days.

Most batsman have adapted to the dead tracks being produced everywhere and when faced with a wicket that offers something for the bowlers, most crumble.

Exactly, they want the revenue involved with longer matches. Look at how the batmen are coping with the fast decks in SA; they're not.

beatnik
12 Dec 2006, 23:36
tell me al...

if the pitches are so flat, why have england failed to pass 160 in 2 of their 4 innings to date?

:p

Zeke
13 Dec 2006, 08:24
FFS the kid is only 21, averaging over 50 in test cricket, and loaded with talent... does Australia have any comparable 21 year olds?

There's probably a handful of 20-25 year olds playing Pura Cup who would get a red-hot look in the English side.

likka
13 Dec 2006, 10:13
There's probably a handful of 20-25 year olds playing Pura Cup who would get a red-hot look in the English side.

Which 21 year old Australian could match it with Cook?

CrazyQ
13 Dec 2006, 15:03
Which 21 year old Australian could match it with Cook?
None.

If you said RSA? Duminy matches him. Matches him sooo well.

Zeke
13 Dec 2006, 15:40
Which 21 year old Australian could match it with Cook?

Let's see if Cook can make some real-game runs for the series, first.

davey_magik
13 Dec 2006, 17:45
None.

If you said RSA? Duminy matches him. Matches him sooo well.

Sorry mate but Cook has international hundreds, Duminy is yet to play a Test.
I agree though, I hate our pitches now as all matches get boring as it is constant huge totals and draws or we flog the opposition which is good but I'm sick of pitches with nothing in it for the bowlers.

CrazyQ
13 Dec 2006, 22:42
Sorry mate but Cook has international hundreds, Duminy is yet to play a Test.
I agree though, I hate our pitches now as all matches get boring as it is constant huge totals and draws or we flog the opposition which is good but I'm sick of pitches with nothing in it for the bowlers.
You will regret your decision mate :thumbsu:

bus24
14 Dec 2006, 18:28
Big Gay Al fails again.

CrazyQ
14 Dec 2006, 18:31
Big Gay Al fails again.
Still a gun.

bus24
14 Dec 2006, 18:34
Still a gun.

Yeh, great series average of 21 :thumbsu:

likka
14 Dec 2006, 18:37
Still a gun.

Yep, but definitely has a problem early outside off stump. Needs to let more balls go, especially with only 5-6 overs left in the day's play.

Fine to go after a rank half volley, but driving on the up was never on.

CrazyQ
14 Dec 2006, 18:45
Yeh, great series average of 21 :thumbsu:
Whats Gilchrists? Haydens?

Thank you :thumbsu:

bus24
14 Dec 2006, 18:50
Whats Gilchrists? Haydens?

Thank you :thumbsu:

Hayden 22.4

Gilchrist 21.3

CrazyQ
14 Dec 2006, 19:04
Hayden 22.4

Gilchrist 21.3
Hacks?

bus24
14 Dec 2006, 19:05
Hacks?

I didn't say Cook was a hack, obviously has technical problems.

Hayden is finished and should have been dropped a while ago.

Gilchrist is approaching the end, but his primary job is to Keep wicket.

CrazyQ
14 Dec 2006, 19:07
I didn't say Cook was a hack, obviously has technical problems.

Hayden is finished and should have been dropped a while ago.

Gilchrist is approaching the end, but his primary job is to Keep wicket.
What is the point in dragging up threads just to bag out a 21 year old cricketer?

Thats worse than Romeo mate.

Cooldude
15 Dec 2006, 02:02
If it's so flat why does Captain Cook keep failing?

CrazyQ
15 Dec 2006, 14:07
If it's so flat why does Captain Cook keep failing?
Has someone hacked into your account?

I thought you rated him highly?

I see you're back on the Clarke bandwagon :D

Cooldude
15 Dec 2006, 14:08
Has someone hacked into your account?

I thought you rated him highly?

I see you're back on the Clarke bandwagon :D

I still rate him as highly as anyone, but he should've kept his mouth shut about our pitches

Answer to the last question is a big NO

CrazyQ
18 Dec 2006, 11:13
116.

RoosterLad
18 Dec 2006, 11:44
116.

It was pretty boring.
Gilchrist on the other hand....

bus24
18 Dec 2006, 12:06
116.

Full credit to him, batted superbly. I always rated him highly, just thought he shouldn't have said anything until he made some runs. Now he has, he can say whatever he wants.