View Full Version : I'm beginning to wonder about English fans scapegoating Fletcher...
just maybe
20 Dec 2006, 08:52
There's some really pathetic attacks on Fletcher both on this board by the English contingent and in the media.
I don't like Fletcher, and he has to take his share of responsibility.
But hold up a moment. He is being blamed for everything. All the vitriol is being directed at Fletcher when a huge chunk should be aimed at Flintoff and his men?
Is he to blame for Flintoff's dullard captaincy and dumb batting? No.
Is he to blame for Flintoff, a fellow selector, wanting Giles and Anderson in the side? No. (especially when he wanted Panesar in Adelaide over Giles!)
Is he to blame for Harmison being a mentally weak fool? No.
Is he to blame for Strauss playing awful, awful shots and getting bad decisions as a result? No.
Is he to blame for Alastair Cook being a prime LBW candidate for most of his innings? No.
Is he to blame for Collingwood's lack of strokes? No.
Is he to blame for Pietersen's arrogance? No.
Is he to blame for Geraint's poor form with the bat? No.
Is he to blame for England's pathetic tail? No.
Is he to blame for Mahmood and Anderson having no radar at all? No.
It seems the team's pathetic performance is getting ignored while all the knives are out at Fletcher.
Some English supporters on here need to take a real hard look at themselves. They are the biggest turncoats I've ever met. One minute, Fletcher is the best thing ever in the history of cricket coaches. Then when everything goes wrong, he is a piece of shyte.
Embarrassing. Really. And Ray Nolan claimed England had class...with this kind of devouring of their own, we know that was a lie. :D
dan warna
20 Dec 2006, 09:02
There's some really pathetic attacks on Fletcher both on this board by the English contingent and in the media.
I don't like Fletcher, and he has to take his share of responsibility.
But hold up a moment. He is being blamed for everything. All the vitriol is being directed at Fletcher when a huge chunk should be aimed at Flintoff and his men?
Is he to blame for Flintoff's dullard captaincy and dumb batting? No.
Is he to blame for Flintoff, a fellow selector, wanting Giles and Anderson in the side? No. (especially when he wanted Panesar in Adelaide over Giles!)
Is he to blame for Harmison being a mentally weak fool? No.
Is he to blame for Strauss playing awful, awful shots and getting bad decisions as a result? No.
Is he to blame for Alastair Cook being a prime LBW candidate for most of his innings? No.
Is he to blame for Collingwood's lack of strokes? No.
Is he to blame for Pietersen's arrogance? No.
Is he to blame for Geraint's poor form with the bat? No.
Is he to blame for England's pathetic tail? No.
Is he to blame for Mahmood and Anderson having no radar at all? No.
It seems the team's pathetic performance is getting ignored while all the knives are out at Fletcher.
Some English supporters on here need to take a real hard look at themselves. They are the biggest turncoats I've ever met. One minute, Fletcher is the best thing ever in the history of cricket coaches. Then when everything goes wrong, he is a piece of shyte.
Embarrassing. Really. And Ray Nolan claimed England had class...with this kind of devouring of their own, we know that was a lie. :D
why is freddie captain? who gave him ideas on field placing? isn't it the role of the coach to er coach?
does the captain supercede the coach? if he does then that really sucks to be the coach.
er shouldn't the batting coach give a few technique er...whats the word...coaching to cook?
collingwood and peiterson should be...er whats the word? coached...
er whats GO Jones doing in the side? or is he blaming freddie for that as well?
again should the coach put some effort into er...coaching the tail to play...
so what is the roll of the coach???? I would think if he takes no responsibility for the above then he is little more than a scorer for the english side.
ShearMagic9
20 Dec 2006, 09:56
Is he to blame for JM being a tosser? NO.
davey_magik
20 Dec 2006, 11:06
They really have to get rid of him and fast.
Shifting the blame when they lose and taking the credit when they win, not the sort of guy I'd like in charge of Australia.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
20 Dec 2006, 15:12
Fletcher has past his use by date.
He won't be coaching the England test team this time next year.
Thank You Very Much Indeed.
Browney2006
20 Dec 2006, 16:12
Worst. Coach. Ever.
ShearMagic9
20 Dec 2006, 20:35
Worst. Coach. Ever.
Oh but didnt you read JM's post. Its not his fault :rolleyes: Its only his fault when England win the ashes.
King Elvis
20 Dec 2006, 20:37
I think JM has a valid point.
That being said, Fletcher is rubbish, but the performance of the team has been disgraceful, and a lot of those pathetic performances are soley the responsibility of the players.
Grimwood
20 Dec 2006, 20:38
Prehaps a bit.. but not on the scale you're suggesting.
eddiesmith
20 Dec 2006, 21:15
As Dan said, what is Fletcher's job then? It seems you are saying he does nothing and therefore should not be blamed :confused:
Some valid points JM but it must be said that captaining and coaching is a collaborative effort. While Fletcher has been made a scapegoat by sections of the media and fans alike, and some say Freddie et al haven't accepted enough responsibility for the debacle, he is after all the major influence behind selection and fielding, even perhaps batting strategy. It has been spoken publicly by people involved in English cricket that he had a large say in their preparation and selection. He has admitted to endorsing Jones and certainly Giles for Brisbane.
And just on KP's arrogance, I think it's actually a plus for a side which has looked meek at times in the face of a highly competitive Aussie outfit.
King Elvis
20 Dec 2006, 21:52
That's because you want to bum KP.
Anyway, how does the coaching structure and the relationship within the Pom team work?
In Australia, it seems the Coach these days is more of a Mentor for the Team and Sounding Post for the Captain - it's his job to prepare the Team, but not to actually dictate how we will play?
Right or wrong?
Who picked Jones? Fletcher Who picked Gilo:Fletcher! The Selectors should take SOME blame for making Freddie captain too, Strauss is better.
eddiesmith
20 Dec 2006, 22:10
Who picked Jones? Fletcher Who picked Gilo:Fletcher! The Selectors should take SOME blame for making Freddie captain too, Strauss is better.
Yes but this moron believes Fletcher when he came out and publicly stated that Flintoff stopped him picking Panesar in Adelaide
King Elvis
20 Dec 2006, 22:16
Yes but this moron believes Fletcher when he came out and publicly stated that Flintoff stopped him picking Panesar in Adelaide
Why wouldn't you believe him?
Wouldn't it be the same with out Team, the Captain could veto an inclusion (Hodge)??
eddiesmith
20 Dec 2006, 22:28
Why wouldn't you believe him?
Wouldn't it be the same with out Team, the Captain could veto an inclusion (Hodge)??
Sort of and thats why Symonds is in the side, but in the end for Australia its the official selectors call, Also with us Freddie is an almost temporary captain atm and surely a coach who has full control on tour would have more say as the official tour selector?
dan warna
20 Dec 2006, 22:49
if u delegate responsibility to someone else to perform the roll in your name, then u share some of the blame for the failure.
the Australian team got a lot of criticism last ashes for not picking the best team available.
Hussey and to lesser degree Hodge missing out were dragged over the coals repeatedly.
Also the whole debate about the attack.
If not for the superhuman effort of warne with the field (jokes aside about the off field attributes) and punter with teh bat, the narrow loss would have looked a lot worse.
the batting looked brittle at times and with the exception of warne the bowling was damn ordinary for much of the series.
meanwhile Hussey was destroying the english county sides and is probably the most inform batsman in the world right now (time will dictate whether he is truly great or whether he is having a great run) but 2 years ago he was in much the same form as he is now.
just maybe
21 Dec 2006, 08:18
I don't like Fletcher, and he has to take his share of responsibility.
Eddie, Dan and co...What don't you understand about the bolded bit above?
Eddie, calling people morons when you struggle to read and comprehend is not a smart move.
Nowhere did I absolve Fletcher of blame. I simply said the blame is not solely his.
Are some of you incapable of reading basic English?
just maybe
21 Dec 2006, 08:19
Yes but this moron believes Fletcher when he came out and publicly stated that Flintoff stopped him picking Panesar in Adelaide
Fletcher never said anything of the sort.
Flintoff, however, admitted it after media reports suggested it.
just maybe
21 Dec 2006, 08:20
Worst. Coach. Ever.
He won you the Ashes. Pretty amazing for the Worst Coach Ever.
This is the kind of attitude I'm talking about. Turncoat Inc.