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clucas91
9 Mar 2002, 13:34
Am I the only person in this country who does not believe that Brett Lee is any good?
On one side I feel that he is Australias brightest fast bowling prospect, and will be fantastic in the future...
But recently he has been awful! Bowling short and wide of off stump, too full or simply too wide!
Yes he gets occasional wickets, but they are all lucky.
He concedes far too many runs.
Why his current form seems to warrant instant selection is beyond me! (Maybe there is a ACB, Wee-Bix conspiracy!)
NICK THE PIE MAN
9 Mar 2002, 13:39
I see what your saying in context.
However, is there really anyone else who could do a better job as our 3rd strike bowler?
I like Brett, and believe he will develop into a great player.
BomberGal
9 Mar 2002, 13:40
Apparently so. :rolleyes:
clucas91
9 Mar 2002, 13:42
Yes, I have no problems with him being an excellent FUTURE prospect, but I can think of seven better 3rd strike bowlers.
Fleming, Bichel, Kasprowicz, Williams, Noffke, Inness and Bracken!
I feel that ALL of these bowlers not only concede less runs but are more consistent!
NICK THE PIE MAN
9 Mar 2002, 13:50
Originally posted by clucas91
Fleming, Bichel, Kasprowicz, Williams, Noffke, Inness and Bracken!
Fleming?
Winding down
Bichel?
Not permanent 3rd bowler material
Kasper?
Same with Bichel
Williams and Noffke:
Too inexperienced
Bracken:
Don't rate him much
Inness:
Future
clucas91
9 Mar 2002, 13:57
Yes, Fleming is old, but he is far from finished.
Bichel bowls well and does not really concede runs.
Kasper is consistent.
Williams takes wickets.
I would have to concede defeat in regard to Innes, Noffke and Bracken, still too young to judge really.
Lee's first 12 months were brilliant. Ever since then, hes one pretty much nothing. He tries to bowl too quick...and quickest definatly doesnt mean best.
There was a lot of talk early in his career that Lee's action would put too much pressure on his back and shorten his career. His action has been modified since, but at the cost of effectiveness. I think he's trying to bowl too fast, but many fast bowlers pick up guile later in their careers, and maybe Lee will be the same.
No point even looking at Fleming, Bichel or Kasprowicz. All getting on, and hardly long term answers. Fleming doesn't even play for his state any more. Of the rest, Noffke isn't doing enough to warrant selection, Inness is currently shaking off an injury, but may be a future prospect, and Bracken's ok, but seems to be fairly low profile at the moment. Hard to have him ahead of Lee.
Williams? Well, he does take wickets, but he's horribly inconsistent. I've seen a couple of good spells, but not a lot else.
I think we should just hope McGrath doesn't get injured, and keep looking.
The_Flying_Egg
9 Mar 2002, 20:27
Originally posted by clucas91
Am I the only person in this country who does not believe that Brett Lee is any good?
No, you are certainly not
Brett Lee is an arrogant pretty-boy who pulled one season out of his arse and is now a very ordinary bowler. He is the only weak link in the Australian side and he is the most disgusting one day bowler to ever represent the country
Bichel for me. look at what he did in Melbourne then they dropped him in the one-dayers and had Lee who consistently went for 5-6 an over.
Santos L Helper
10 Mar 2002, 09:31
Originally posted by BomberGal
Apparently so. :rolleyes:
Nice little rolling eyes there. Apparently your the only one here with **** all cricket knowledge.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Brett Lee is inconsistent, I think that's his main weakness.
When he is good, he is very good - bowls fast, aggressive spells and takes bags of wickets.
When he is bad, he's awful - bowls too short, bowls wide, basically has little control over the ball, and doesn't concentrate on working a batsman out. Can be very expensive - can get away with it to some extent in Tests, but not in one-dayers.
Very much a hit and miss bowler, but is probabaly guaranteed a spot in the side because of the lack of quality competition for a spot.
Bichel is an ultra-consistent bowler, great line and length, economical, and his pace is very sharp, but he doesn't take that many wickets. He is probably the paceman version of what Tim may used to be : hold down one end and tie the batsmen up for 1-2 runs an over while the strike bowlers at the other end (in May's case it was usually Warne) reap the spoils.
SeinDude
10 Mar 2002, 13:22
Brett Lee is one of our best fast bowlers when he is bowling well and is a great asset to have bowling behind McGrath & Gillespie. Brett has the ability to clean up the tail, (just ask Kumble, Agarkar & Srinath of India) and although he can be expensive at times, he's a wicket-taking bowler and fits in will with our team balance.
SeinDude
Fall Out Boy
10 Mar 2002, 13:28
77 wickets at 25 with a strike rate of 44.8 (far superior to that of Gillespie, McGrath, Pollock).
Enough said.
SeinDude
10 Mar 2002, 13:42
In the test team at the moment:
Glenn McGrath: 385 wickets @ 21.67 / 51.0 strike rate
Brett Lee: 77 wickets at @ 25.09 /44.8 strike rate
Jason Gillespie: 118 wickets @ 25.33 / 49.6 strike rate
Shane Warne: 436 wickets @ 26.52 / 63.0 strike rate
Not in the test team at the moment:
Stuart MacGill: 82 wickets @ 25.01 / 50.4 strike rate
Damien Fleming: 75 wickets @ 25.89 / 55.0 strike rate
Michael Kasprowicz: 47 wickets @ 37.00 / 71.0 strike rate
Andy Bichel: 13 wickets @ 39.76 / 74.6 strike rate
SeinDude
Bulldog1954
10 Mar 2002, 14:43
If u took away his first few tests his average would be far higher then 25. He started off very well, now he is a hipster dufus
The_Flying_Egg
11 Mar 2002, 11:05
Brett Lee's average may be 25, but it wasn't all that long ago he was averaging 19
He's bowled like crap for the last year
wagstaff
11 Mar 2002, 11:29
Originally posted by The_Flying_Egg
No, you are certainly not.
Brett Lee is an arrogant pretty-boy who pulled one season out of his arse and is now a very ordinary bowler. He is the only weak link in the Australian side and he is the most disgusting one day bowler to ever represent the country
Get off the fence and tell us what you really think. :D
I agree with the general sentiment displayed here that Brett Lee who, while bowling well in patches this summer, is an overrated bowler.
Predictably, commentators focus on how intimdating he will be to the opposition batsmen, and especially the tailenders. Yet for all that, he wasn't able to get Paul Adams out on the first day, despite bowling several "thunderbolts", and if he can't get him out, what is he in the side for? It's easy to forget, but when he bowled that controversial over to Nantie Hayward in Adelaide, Lee's greatest crime was that he couldn't Hayward out in a whole over, even though Hayward was backing away towards square leg.
And to those who defend him by looking at his overall Test record - still good - his record since he damaged his elbow last year has been anything but impressive. In his last 12 Tests (not including this one) he's taken 35 wickets at an average of over 35. And yet he hasn't been dropped once in this time.
At the moment, Australia have kept picking him because with their recent success, he's a luxury they can afford. But if they lose this Test, then he must be under pressure for the next Test.