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Pessimistic
13 Mar 2002, 12:10
Where is the actual evidence of terrorist activity in Australia today.

It's like the "red' and "asian" threats in the 50's. Basically non-existent.

In light ov the recent 'reflections' on the motivation we would do weLl to be deeply suspicious of anything this government tries to do.


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Environment campaigner would be "terrorist" under new laws


Environment campaigner would be "terrorist" under new laws
MELBOURNE, March 13 AAP|Published: Wednesday March 13, 1:41 PM



Friends of the Earth campaigner Jacob Grech believes he will be branded a terrorist under the federal government's proposed anti-terrorism legislation.

Mr Grech was last night busily designing a flier for a planned protest at the Pine Gap tracking station when a copy of the government's proposed anti-terrorism laws were faxed to him.

He said today he discovered his work in designing the flier was arguably an offence under four different sections of the bill
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"What this is doing is making me feel very uptight and very uncomfortable with Australia today," he said.

"Our spin on this legislation is it is divisive and there is absolutely no need for it."

Mr Grech said he could be labelled a terrorist under sections of the act on treason, interfering with the operation of a telecommunication system, preparing a document to help in a terrorist act and providing training for a terrorist act.

Where listed in the bill, the offences are punishable by life imprisonment.

He detailed his concerns at a joint press conference with representatives from the ACTU, Liberty Victoria, the National Union of Students, the Law Institute of Victoria and the Federation of Community Legal Centres.

"My name is Jacob Grech, Friends of the Earth, and I'm a terrorist, or at least I will be if this bill passes through parliament unamended," he said.

The groups believe the proposed laws are draconian and reminiscent of those used in apartheid South Africa and Latin American dictatorships.

Speaking in Melbourne, the groups today welcomed reported backbench concerns which have delayed parts of the legislation that would increase the powers of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO).

They said existing criminal laws can and should be used to prosecute anyone committing or planning terrorist acts.

Legislation allowing the federal attorney-general to ban organisations likely to endanger national security and to outlaw groups with terrorist connections was introduced to the federal parliament last night.

ACTU national president Sharan Burrow today compared the laws to the 1950s outing of communists in the United States led by US senator Joe McCarthy.

"It is an absolute fundamental attack on civil liberties," said Ms Burrow.

"It is a set of executive powers that even (then Australian prime minister Sir Robert) Menzies couldn't get in the McCarthy era."

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Dr AlfAndrews
14 Mar 2002, 23:00
This is all part of the push for global corporate totalitarianism.

The corporates have been hamstrung by western society's traditions and rhetoric of "freedom", "democracy" and all those other warm fuzzy cliches that people like George Bush trot out when it suits them. And it's kind of inconvenient, when you are trying so hard to set up a system of corporate global totalitarianism, to be confronted with these nice-sounding (but essentially impractical) notions of "freedom" etc etc.

The people who flew the planes into the buildings on Sept 11, whoever they were ... and whoever sent them ... have (either deliberately of unwittingly) given the corporate totalitarians the biggest free kick they've ever had. In post-Sept 11 conditions, western governments can get away with absolutely anything they like, by incanting the sacred formula ... "Freedom .... democracy ... rhubarb .... rhubarb ... etc"

They are now in the perfect position to destroy freedom and democracy in the name of freedom and democracy.

This could not have possibly worked out better for America if they'd actually planned it themselves. No longer need they be shackled by their own ideals.

It's been a great free kick for organisations like the C.I.A. and A.S.I.O. Terrified western citizens, jumping at the shadows of Sept.11, will let them get away with whatever they like. And if that means that they can lock up those pesky greenies and other lefties who continue to frustrate the totalitarian expansion of global capitalism, then they'd see that as a huge bonus.

These are scarey times. I probably shouldn't be posting this sort of thing on the internet because I'm probably outing myself as a "terrorist" under the new legislation.

I guess that sounds a bit paranoid ... but it's also quite true. I can only hope that the C.I.A. and A.S.I.O. , when they check out my post, will realise that I'm just small fry and not really worth arresting. Otherwise I'm up that well-known creek ... in a barbed wire canoe.

London Dave
15 Mar 2002, 07:29
Scariest things a politician can utter...

I believe in 'family values'......

This/that is Un australian

what the hell does this really mean???

To oppose this law will be seen as 'un australian' and the old chestnut..'If you got nothing to hide what are you scared of etc'

evade28
15 Mar 2002, 14:39
maybe there is no evidence, but the odds are there...

Dr AlfAndrews
15 Mar 2002, 15:48
Originally posted by evade28
maybe there is no evidence, but the odds are there...

So ... should we sack all judges and replace them with bookmakers?