Improving International Standard of Cricket

[SriLankanCat]

Hey guys

This thread is to bounce around some ideas on ways to improve the standard of cricket. I am hoping that this wont turn into a slanging match or an US against THEM sort of thread but maybe that is wishful thinking :P

Here are some ideas i have:

1) The ICC are very wealthy, i donno if they do this already but in case they dont why dont they spend some of their money establishing strong cricket academies in each of the countries that dont appear to have one. Australia has an excellent one it would be good to see other countries have one too.

2) One step further why doenst the ICC establish an "ICC cricket youth academy" in Dubei where it invites players from all countries to participate under a scholarship in various conditions (im sure they can simulate different conditions in a special academy) with highly qualified coaches (career opportunity as well for ex-cricketers??). It is all well and good to have A tours between countries but the ground work needs to be done!

3) Why dont all the coutnries have some sort of exchange program. e.g. Young SL cricketers come and play in Pura Cup and some aussie cricketers play in SL, Some Indian Players play in county cricket (i know this already happens but there are rules for overseas players, and these guys are already established and it is an individual thing, id like to see it happen udner a specifically designed formal program) and an enlgish boy plays in India. I know u may think why would an english guy or an aussie guy leave their stronger competitions and play in anotherr country with lesser facilities but im sure many would jump at the chance to experience a foreign culture and of course the ausie player would be a fringe player who hasnt established himself in Australia, thus this may be the only opprotunity he may have. This will allow players to experience foreign cricketing conditions as well as culture and it will strengthen the realtionships between different countries and perhaps assist in breaching the obvious gap in relationship (although the gap isnt as big as some may think)between asian and non-asian countries.

U guys may think why should we do anything to help these countries when they gang up agaiusnt us, well it is for the good of cricketoing standards and also it may do a lot to braech taht gap. And i dont thinkl the relationshop is as bad as people may think between asian and non-asian coutnries.

What do u guys think of this? Wat ideas do u guys have? I donno if wat i have already mentioned above exists...but if it does it isnt altogether that apparent. I know there is a little bit of this going on with foreign players coming to the aus academy etc. But id like to see a much more FORMAL arrangement. FORMAL being the key. e.g. exchange programs, scholarship programs etc. etc.

Ill give u guys an example, Malinga Bandara who plays for SL was only recognised when an English player noticed him in a practice game, he went and played in England for a county league and has become an international player for SL due to the xperience. Wouldnt it be great if there was a program taht was designed specifficaly for this purpose.

[ManWithNoName]

The ICC are very wealthy, i donno if they do this already but in case they dont why dont they spend some of their money
Exactly the problem, the ICC are wealthy but their priority is money, not cricket. This is due to the asian countries (not a crack at you here, moreso India and Pakistan) are much more interested in money than having a good standard of cricket. Whereas countries that do want to be competitive, NZ, Safrica, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, really do need more money in order to be able to challenge us.

[SriLankanCat]

Exactly the problem, the ICC are wealthy but their priority is money, not cricket. This is due to the asian countries (not a crack at you here, moreso India and Pakistan) are much more interested in money than having a good standard of cricket. Whereas countries that do want to be competitive, NZ, Safrica, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, really do need more money in order to be able to challenge us.

I agree with u 100% jarryd...India especially jsut think about money making ahead of everything else. They assume taht their team is just gonna floursih. The SL cricket board are a disgrace as well. SO much corruption, that is why id like to see the ICC establish it. Not that they arent corrupt lol but i suppose they will be more independent than each individual board, ud hope so anyway! Id love to see international cricketers get involved in this, it will do so much to make the cricket world work closer together.

[dan warna]

the Australian FC scene is the premier FC competition in cricket at the moment.
the AUstralian and victorian sports academies are superior to whats available in most countries.

it has supported nearly 20 years of success.

if anyone else wants to come to our academies they should pay.

I dont think australia has much to learn from imported players and it dilutes our pool of 70 odd players to choose from.

I would like a ban on foreign players, or limited to one per state side.

frankly Im happy with the status quo of Australia thrashing most sides most of the time, i dont really think we should be in for charity :thumbsu:

if sri lanka, england or whoever wants a leg up from Australia they should pay to import the expertise such as lehmann, warne, etc.

I dont believe in charity in cricket

[SriLankanCat]

the Australian FC scene is the premier FC competition in cricket at the moment.
the AUstralian and victorian sports academies are superior to whats available in most countries.

it has supported nearly 20 years of success.

if anyone else wants to come to our academies they should pay.

I dont think australia has much to learn from imported players and it dilutes our pool of 70 odd players to choose from.

I would like a ban on foreign players, or limited to one per state side.

frankly Im happy with the status quo of Australia thrashing most sides most of the time, i dont really think we should be in for charity :thumbsu:

if sri lanka, england or whoever wants a leg up from Australia they should pay to import the expertise such as lehmann, warne, etc.

I dont believe in charity in cricket

I think crciket will suffer in the long run if soemthing isnt done to bridge the gap between richer and poorer nations

No one is asking for charity, i think it is a joint cooperative approach to fix intenrational cricket

[ALwaysNorth]

[QUOTE=SriLankanCat;6533110]Here are some ideas i have:

2) One step further why doenst the ICC establish an "ICC cricket youth academy" in Dubei where it invites players from all countries to participate under a scholarship in various conditions (im sure they can simulate different conditions in a special academy) with highly qualified coaches (career opportunity as well for ex-cricketers??). It is all well and good to have A tours between countries but the ground work needs to be done!QUOTE]

I think someone basically thought of this one before you otherwise Rod Marsh might have to rethink his future .

What's your next thought ODI World Cup !!

As for your other thoughts imagine a young Murali coming out to Australia bowling his first delivery and the Australian coaches telling him you can't bowl with that action here buddy and sending him off to remodel his action.

[SriLankanCat]

[quote=SriLankanCat;6533110]Here are some ideas i have:

2) One step further why doenst the ICC establish an "ICC cricket youth academy" in Dubei where it invites players from all countries to participate under a scholarship in various conditions (im sure they can simulate different conditions in a special academy) with highly qualified coaches (career opportunity as well for ex-cricketers??). It is all well and good to have A tours between countries but the ground work needs to be done!QUOTE]

I think someone basically thought of this one before you otherwise Rod Marsh might have to rethink his future .

What's your next thought ODI World Cup !!

As for your other thoughts imagine a young Murali coming out to Australia bowling his first delivery and the Australian coaches telling him you can't bowl with that action here buddy and sending him off to remodel his action.

I didnt realise an international academy already existed...can u provide me with a link to anything related to this id love to read up about it

[dan warna]

I can't see Australians willing to give up a state side spot.

Australians at the moment are in high demand for county cricket and even players not good enough for test cricket are in high demand for county cricket.

There are very few internation players who have played in Aus FC cricket, although a fair few Sri Lankans, brits and zimmers have made pocket money in the district competition.

Australian FC spots are highly desireable, Sri Lankan, Zimmer, indian, windian, pakistani spots are not. Im not sure the Sri Lankan or Zimmer feeder competitions even class as FC cricket.

So basically I would say its not in Australia's benifit to hand out desirable FC spots to other nations and would be detrimental to our competition.

I can't see the advantage in wing clipping ourselves to give others a leg up.

I suspect the English poor standards are partially due to the high number of imports consuming most of the money available to county teams.

[ALwaysNorth]

I suspect the English poor standards are partially due to the high number of imports consuming most of the money available to county teams.

Sorry but that is an argument I can't work out , England has 18 County sides and ergo 250 odd first class cricketers at any time . Given that Australian\Overseas players dominate the averages every season how does cutting the number of imports in half which is what is happening next season I believe going to assist the standard .

Surely bowling standards are not to going to increase if they are bowling to lesser batsmen and equally for batting standards against lesser bowlers.

How dropping the standard of the players is going to assist England produce world standard cricketers is beyond me .

[stmookeyj]

Im not sure the Sri Lankan or Zimmer feeder competitions even class as FC cricket.


The ZCU basically killed it off.

[dan warna]

Sorry but that is an argument I can't work out , England has 18 County sides and ergo 250 odd first class cricketers at any time . Given that Australian\Overseas players dominate the averages every season how does cutting the number of imports in half which is what is happening next season I believe going to assist the standard .

Surely bowling standards are not to going to increase if they are bowling to lesser batsmen and equally for batting standards against lesser bowlers.

How dropping the standard of the players is going to assist England produce world standard cricketers is beyond me .

because of that 250 odd FC cricketers 30 to 40 of them are consuming 50% of the resources. guys like murali and warne command massive wages to come play for the brits.

It doesn't teach the english much, as, with the exception of the top 6 or 7 imports, comparable talent is available for development internally, but rather than nurture someone like cook, they would rather buy in someone like Cox for a 100,000 pounds or something like that.

The english have no where else to go, so the Aussies, zimmers, boks, lankans, indians etc go and get the cream of english money.

IMHO having imports to Australia would add very little to our cricket culture, and would take money out of australia better spent on developing our own talent.

Looking at the quality of our coaches, there aren't enough jobs for them, thus AUstralian coaches dominate australian development as well as overseas development, which is bringing money into the country not out of it.

AUstralia doesn't need foreign help with cricket, but others are desperate to get into australia and australian coaching experience, and for that they must pay.

buying AUstralian services is fine, it is after all a market economy, but giving away FC positions instead of nurturing talent is a poor idea IMO.

although selling state positions for say $200,000 p/a (ie they pay US to play in our FC competition) might be a good idea ;):thumbsu:

[ALwaysNorth]

because of that 250 odd FC cricketers 30 to 40 of them are consuming 50% of the resources. guys like murali and warne command massive wages to come play for the brits.

It doesn't teach the english much, as, with the exception of the top 6 or 7 imports, comparable talent is available for development internally, but rather than nurture someone like cook, they would rather buy in someone like Cox for a 100,000 pounds or something like that.

The english have no where else to go, so the Aussies, zimmers, boks, lankans, indians etc go and get the cream of english money.

IMHO having imports to Australia would add very little to our cricket culture, and would take money out of australia better spent on developing our own talent.

Looking at the quality of our coaches, there aren't enough jobs for them, thus AUstralian coaches dominate australian development as well as overseas development, which is bringing money into the country not out of it.

AUstralia doesn't need foreign help with cricket, but others are desperate to get into australia and australian coaching experience, and for that they must pay.

buying AUstralian services is fine, it is after all a market economy, but giving away FC positions instead of nurturing talent is a poor idea IMO.

although selling state positions for say $200,000 p/a (ie they pay US to play in our FC competition) might be a good idea ;):thumbsu:

No - I'll respond to each paragraph

Where did you get your figures ?? 50% a nice round figure but I think you'll find sponsors are paying a lot of the imports salaries and they wouldn't be putting those $ in if they were not there.

So England has 2.5 times the comparable talent as Australia ??? Australia has about 120 FCP . England already has 250 odd FCP and have so much talent that they are turning away players ??? You do not need 270 odd FCP to produce a decent Test 11 .

I believe each County is allowed to play 2 imports so thats at best 38 players out of 209 in a full round of matches . As stated previously Sponsors $ pay for majority of superstars salaries.

You are entitled to your opinion but Sponsors would cough up for any Imports to Shield cricket as they did when we had imports playing regularly out here . I'm not sure those sponsors have poured the same sums into emerging Australian players , in fact I think as an example Botham's season in Queensland was paid for by a English sponsor .

Not sure what you are getting at here re Australian coaches but I think you'll find Australian coaches seek assistance from any source available eg American Baseball .

As stated previously if you can't get a viable Test squad from 250 FCP adding an extra 20 at the bottom is not going to be of any assistance.

SA and Zim are having problems at the moment with having to pick players based on a quota not on ability can't see any state accepting $200k to play an emerging player in their state team if he doesn't merit selection , might make economic sense but team harmony would be out the window .

I wonder how many players in the current English team would admit that playing with Australian players in County cricket has helped their cricket ?

[The Reaper]

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I wonder how many players in the current English team would admit that playing with Australian players in County cricket has helped their cricket ?

Does go the other way, a lot of Australian batsman have been greatly helped by stints in England: Chappell, Waugh, Hussey, Jaques and White are just some

[ALwaysNorth]

Does go the other way, a lot of Australian batsman have been greatly helped by stints in England: Chappell, Waugh, Hussey, Jaques and White are just some


Absolutely , I think it helps our players and theirs .