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Looks like they are building an exciting card with some big names.
I just thought i would make a thread to discuss it here seeing that it is only a couple of weeks away. Start of March wasnt it?
Anyone got the offical card?
Presti_is_god
14 Feb 2007, 20:02
Main Card:
Tim Sylvia vs. Randy Couture
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Hughes
Drew McFedries vs. Martin Kampmann
Rich Franklin vs. Jason MacDonald
Swing Fight:
Jason Lambert vs. Renato "Babalu" Sobral
Undercard:
Rex Holman vs. Matt Hammill
Jon Fitch vs. Luigi Fioravanti
Gleison Tibau vs. Jason Dent
Jason Gilliam vs. Jamie Varner
this sunday on main event 2pm to be replayed at 6.30pm LETS GET IT ONNNNN
Main Card:
Tim Sylvia vs. Randy Couture
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Hughes
Drew McFedries vs. Martin Kampmann
Rich Franklin vs. Jason MacDonald
Swing Fight:
Jason Lambert vs. Renato "Babalu" Sobral
Undercard:
Rex Holman vs. Matt Hammill
Jon Fitch vs. Luigi Fioravanti
Gleison Tibau vs. Jason Dent
Jason Gilliam vs. Jamie Varner
How about Harrison Ford?
You're thinking mark hamill :)
I think matt will go well, though he pissed me off on UFC3.
I'll probably only buy this card to support UFC on Main Event, to hopefully ensure it stays.
On that, what is with the total lack of advertising for the UFC since its return? Foxtel seemed to support the advertising of UFC's more back when they had them in the 40's in the Shamrock/Ortiz days.
I'll probably only buy this card to support UFC on Main Event, to hopefully ensure it stays.
On that, what is with the total lack of advertising for the UFC since its return? Foxtel seemed to support the advertising of UFC's more back when they had them in the 40's in the Shamrock/Ortiz days.
I think it's worth buying just to see the natural's return. Also i find the UFC push a lot more unknown up&coming fighters than Pride does, which i really like too. I get excited to watch Rampage CC Liddell Couture etc, but also i reckon it's good seeing newcomers to the octagon too. You never know when the next monster's gonna jump up.
Can't wait for this: Tips required I sopse.
Tim Sylvia vs. Randy Couture TKO
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Hughes TKO
Drew McFedries vs. Martin Kampmann Dec
Rich Franklin vs. Jason MacDonald TKO
Swing Fight:
Jason Lambert vs. Renato "Babalu" Sobral Dec
Undercard:
Rex Holman vs. Matt Hammill dec
Jon Fitch vs. Luigi Fioravanti tko
Gleison Tibau vs. Jason Dent sub
Jason Gilliam vs. Jamie Varner dec
Under card is total guess work don't know a single name
Main Card:
Tim Sylvia vs. Randy Couture - Round 5 - Dec (i think it is more hope)
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Hughes - Round 1 Submission
Drew McFedries vs. Martin Kampmann - Round 3 - Dec
Rich Franklin vs. Jason MacDonald - Round 2 - KO
Swing Fight:
Jason Lambert vs. Renato "Babalu" Sobral - Round 3 - Submission
Undercard:
Rex Holman vs. Matt Hammill - ROund 2 - Ref Stoppage (ground & pound)
Jon Fitch vs. Luigi Fioravanti - Round 3 - Dec
Gleison Tibau vs. Jason Dent - Round 1 - KO
Jason Gilliam vs. Jamie Varner - Round 2 - TKO
Can someone enlighten me, what's a swing fight?
Edit: Don't worry I looked it up
Tim Sylvia vs. Randy Couture - Round 3 - G&P (Go Randy!)
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Hughes - Round 1 Submission (Kimura)
Drew McFedries vs. Martin Kampmann - Round 3 - Dec
Rich Franklin vs. Jason MacDonald - Round 2 - KO
Swing Fight:
Jason Lambert vs. Renato "Babalu" Sobral - Round 2 - TKO
Undercard:
Rex Holman vs. Matt Hammill - ROund 2 - G&P
Jon Fitch vs. Luigi Fioravanti - Round 2 - TKO
Gleison Tibau vs. Jason Dent - Round 3 - Dec
Jason Gilliam vs. Jamie Varner - Round 1 - Submission (Rear Naked Choke)
Are any pubs in Australia allowed to show UFC?
Are any pubs in Australia allowed to show UFC?
Sure, I've seen one play a UFC from a DVD. It's depends on weather the pub wants to shell out for the main event fees.
Sorry, I should have been more specific - I was referring to UFC 68. I'd guess not many if any would be showing it given it's just returned to Main Event.
Sorry, I should have been more specific - I was referring to UFC 68. I'd guess not many if any would be showing it given it's just returned to Main Event.
Haven't seen it advertised.
Magnum: What was that pub we saw MMA beign played? the corner of High and Strudley park in Kew I think.
Haven't seen it advertised.
Magnum: What was that pub we saw MMA beign played? the corner of High and Strudley park in Kew I think.
the clifton?
Main Card:
Tim Sylvia vs. Randy Couture
Chris Lytle vs. Matt Hughes
Drew McFedries vs. Martin Kampmann
Rich Franklin vs. Jason MacDonald
Swing Fight:
Jason Lambert vs. Renato "Babalu" Sobral
Undercard:
Rex Holman vs. Matt Hammill
Jon Fitch vs. Luigi Fioravanti
Gleison Tibau vs. Jason Dent
Jason Gilliam vs. Jamie Varner
On paper and betting-wise, a very one-sided card which initially draws me little interest.
The Holman v Hammill line is very interesting. I think Holman at $3.71 is a very live 'dog and wouldnt be suprised if he pulled an upset. Hammill relies on his wresting, and I think Holman, while less experienced in MMA (fighting and training), is a better pure "wrestler".
Im hoping Randy pulls another rabbit out of the hat, but he is going to have serious problems with Tim's size. Interested to see what weight Randy weighs in at...
Lytle and McDonald are overrmatched, and their main hope is if their opponents are mentally effected by their previous bad loses.
Not expecting much on Sunday, but then again, on paper Pride 33 last week didnt look like much, and it turned into one of the best MMA shows in recent memory.
the clifton?
Not sure, it was on the corner at kew junction. I think the place used to be a strip joint? I believe it was just TUF being shown on Fox Sports though. We were stopped at the lights and could see inside. Seeing it's on Main Event, I doubt many pubs would shell out for it.
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Im hoping Randy pulls another rabbit out of the hat, but he is going to have serious problems with Tim's size. Interested to see what weight Randy weighs in at...
222 pounds and was looking great!!!! GO RANDY
un-********-believable.
what a fight.
I'm posting this while everting my eyes on what might be. So if someone has the torrent please pm me ;)
good riddance to the worst fighter you will ever see hold a belt.
Sylvia dead set has no skills except physical size. He is slow, plods with his feet, striking is so bad he made Randy look like Ray Robinson, and that's his "strength".
Worst part was, it was clear by the 3rd/4th what was happening, and Sylvia had to go for the KO, yet he was such a coward he wouldnt bit down on his mouthguard and at least go out with a bang, risk taking a shot to land one, and at least try to make a fight of it.
Did you see how happy Dana was after!! Classic.
Sylvia was an embarassment to the UFC.
I could only cringe thinking of what Crocop or Feder would have done to him.
******* YEAH!!!!
GO RANDY!!!!! Good Riddance to Sylvia! We all knew it!
For decorum -=+*SPOILERS*+=-
That was a Rocky movie. Well done Randy. I tipped Sylvia cos Couture was 43 and 6 inches smaller. Unfortunately I failed to factor in that Sylvia is truely that ****, Deej you suckerd me in a bit, I over compensated. Credability of the UFC heavyweight div has just gone up a notch. If Randy can eak out a decision against crocop I will bow down even further to his game, as unlikely as it is. Still good result, and good efort for a true HW camp.
I have to agree. That was some of the most inspiring efforts i have ever seen in a sport.
He truly is an amzing athlete and always comes in with a great game plan. You cannot write him off against anyway.
I fear for his wellbeing against cro-cop, however if Fedor can take out Cro-Cop, then Fedor's hero can do the same with the right game plan!
I tipped Randy to win in 5 yet assumed Tim would get the knock-out. I assumed i had tipped with my heart and not my head. I still can't believe what i witnessed. Thank god for main event and live television!
RANDY COUTURE, YOUR ARE MY HERO!
drew man I was wrong I just don't know if I overestimated sylvia or we're underestimating couture. what a warrior couture is, nobody can not admire what he has done in this sport. like everyone else I so wanted randy to win but I thought it probably too much to ask a 43yo, even
though if anyone on
the planet could do it it was randy. I taped it so i'll be watching this fight again this week a couple of times. I went down the pub for a couple after watching this fight I was in shock just couldn't believe randy won.
don't mean to be a cornball but couture's a hero in my eyes too.
unbelievable.
One thing I'm begining to hate is the American crowds. Where the hell do they get off booing MMA fighters? It's on the ground, thats the nature of the beast, get over it and learn to apreciate some world class wrestling. :cool:
One thing I'm begining to hate is the American crowds. Where the hell do they get off booing MMA fighters? It's on the ground, thats the nature of the beast, get over it and learn to apreciate some world class wrestling. :cool:
Yeah i know.... I heard that Main Event were attempting to edit the booing out.
I think it was the first time in the history of MMA (UFC atleast) that a fight was booed when stood up i.e. when Couture was stood-up for inactive on the ground when fighting the big oaf.
The only booing i agreed with was when Tim Sylvia claimed (and i use the term loosely) he had an injury! News flash Timmah, if you are injured, don't fight, if you fight and lose, dont ever mention it. You made the choice you raging hard-on! Take a leaf from Rich Franklins book.
How dare he attempt to destroy Randy's moment.
Regardless, Randy The Natural Couture is now in my top 5 sportsman ever!
Tiger, Randy, Gary Ablett, Shane Warne & Michael Jordan.
One thing I'm begining to hate is the American crowds. Where the hell do they get off booing MMA fighters? It's on the ground, thats the nature of the beast, get over it and learn to apreciate some world class wrestling. :cool:
Dont necessarily agree.
The nature of the beast is entertainment, like it or not. If people are going to pay up to hundreds, if not thousands for a ringside ticket, they can scream whatever they like. It's why De La Hoya gets paid 10 times that of a Roy Jones in their primes, or Ricardo Lopez, or any other fighter better than him. Ability is moot, money is directly proportional to popularity (liked or hated), which is fueled by crowds entertainment levels when that fighter fights.
UFC crowds are as civil as in Japan, but I think Japanese shows lack crowd enthusiasm and atmosphere.
Not all grappling is booed. Lay and Pray isnt liked by anyone, but active guards, and good, fast ground games are fairly well appreciated I would have thought.
Take footy, how many whinged during the height of "flooding".
People want to be entertained, even at the expense of more efficient techniques.
That is the nature of the beast, and why the UFC can demand more for a ticket or PPV price than a submission grappling tournament, and why they cut "boring" guys like Lindland.
The UFC is directly targeting the 18-35 male who wants blood and guts in a cage. Thats the reality of it, and in return, must put on an entertaining show.
If it was all about "who is best" they would have kept no rounds, no timelimits etc. It put everyone to sleep, but it was more of a "real fight".
Dont necessarily agree.
The nature of the beast is entertainment, like it or not. If people are going to pay up to hundreds, if not thousands for a ringside ticket, they can scream whatever they like. It's why De La Hoya gets paid 10 times that of a Roy Jones in their primes, or Ricardo Lopez, or any other fighter better than him. Ability is moot, money is directly proportional to popularity (liked or hated), which is fueled by crowds entertainment levels when that fighter fights.
UFC crowds are as civil as in Japan, but I think Japanese shows lack crowd enthusiasm and atmosphere.
Not all grappling is booed. Lay and Pray isnt liked by anyone, but active guards, and good, fast ground games are fairly well appreciated I would have thought.
Take footy, how many whinged during the height of "flooding".
People want to be entertained, even at the expense of more efficient techniques.
That is the nature of the beast, and why the UFC can demand more for a ticket or PPV price than a submission grappling tournament, and why they cut "boring" guys like Lindland.
The UFC is directly targeting the 18-35 male who wants blood and guts in a cage. Thats the reality of it, and in return, must put on an entertaining show.
If it was all about "who is best" they would have kept no rounds, no timelimits etc. It put everyone to sleep, but it was more of a "real fight".
I disagree. The american crowds are pretty bad. At least they were at UFC 68. Most of the japanese crowds, 1 - know whats going on on the ground and standing up and 2 - dont boo. FFS, learn what the MMA game is about if you dont understand grappling. The games evolved past a 'kick the sh*t out him!' pub brawl. And booing Silva was disgraceful.
Then it might just be a few drunk yokals, but it was pathetic. This is MMA not a monster truck show.
That being said, they do create a better atmosphere because the japanese *are* more conservative in appreciation, but they just need to cut out the bloody booing!
And Deej, I reckon you might have overestated Sylvia. Randy destroyed Sylvia in every way possible. I actually thought it would be over quicker than it was. The only doubt I had was that Randy could capture his old form at 43. The only credit I give sylvia, is that he is a tough SOB and has a pretty hard head.
But Thinking Sylvia would have a decent chance against Fedor is laughable. If Randy destroyed Sylvia in 5, Fedor or Cro cop would annihilate Sylvia in the first round.
Cro cop will probably (and unfortunately) destroy Randy I think. I genuinely fear for him. Taking nothing away from Randy though, he is an absolute hero, and a magnicent fighter. But I cant see him being at the level of Cro Cop. Mind you it would be a great match up. He should retire now after earning the belt and getting rid of an unworthy title holder in magnificent style!
I disagree. The american crowds are pretty bad. At least they were at UFC 68. Most of the japanese crowds, 1 - know whats going on on the ground and standing up and 2 - dont boo. FFS, learn what the MMA game is about if you dont understand grappling. The games evolved past a 'kick the sh*t out him!' pub brawl. And booing Silva was disgraceful.
Who says they are smarter? I have been to numerous UFC's and I was actually really impressed with the knowledge - I have been to multiple boxing shows as well, which seem to get way more of the upper echelon crowd who are there for one name fighter. That argument is typical of the crap which gets spun on the underground.
The difference is this - the Japanese dont say jack, good or bad, compared to the USA. When big matchups happen, the Japanese do not "get the house rockin" like the in the USA, and on the same taken, dont voice their displeasure either. It's a cultural thing, not necessarliy a knowledge thing.
Western style crowds will cheer way more than eastern, and boo more. They are just more vocal full stop.
If the crowd thinks a fight is slow on the ground, why cant they boo? They are there for MMA, no submission grappling. MMA rules state that if there is no action on the ground, the ref has the liberty to stand them up. The UFC acknowledge this problem and have legislated rules for it - are they "drunkards" as well, for not "appreciating grappling"?
Cant blame a crowd for getting into the show.
And why cant they boo Sylvia if they dont like him? Just like everyone boo's Mundine for most of his fights? Sylvia has a particular wacky personality, which many dont like. Why does he have to be loved by all?
I've been to an MMA event in the states. Trust me, they aint civil, they aint apreciative, they are red neck mongaliods who boo becasue they don't know any different. UFC may be a bit better for crowd knowladge. But booing a fighter just isn't on. In the AFL it's maybe one or 2 people in any given section that boo (unless it's crows supporters). It's the majority that boo in the states. I've been told it's a lot like WWF etc, where it's a big ham up in the crowds eyes. This is the yank who took me to the event, and he hates the crowds, there is no respect, and there should be for a bloke who puts in all on the line by going in the ring. You don't see it at Kickboxing, boxing, BJJ... events. You don't see it at MMA events in Japan, England even the Brazilians have some decorum, why is it ok in the US? I think it's blight that Dana White should be doing every thing he can to eradicate. Just because you front $1000 it doesn't give you the right to act like an ********.
Who says they are smarter? I have been to numerous UFC's and I was actually really impressed with the knowledge - I have been to multiple boxing shows as well, which seem to get way more of the upper echelon crowd who are there for one name fighter. That argument is typical of the crap which gets spun on the underground.
The difference is this - the Japanese dont say jack, good or bad, compared to the USA. When big matchups happen, the Japanese do not "get the house rockin" like the in the USA, and on the same taken, dont voice their displeasure either. It's a cultural thing, not necessarliy a knowledge thing.
Western style crowds will cheer way more than eastern, and boo more. They are just more vocal full stop.
If the crowd thinks a fight is slow on the ground, why cant they boo? They are there for MMA, no submission grappling. MMA rules state that if there is no action on the ground, the ref has the liberty to stand them up. The UFC acknowledge this problem and have legislated rules for it - are they "drunkards" as well, for not "appreciating grappling"?
Cant blame a crowd for getting into the show.
And why cant they boo Sylvia if they dont like him? Just like everyone boo's Mundine for most of his fights? Sylvia has a particular wacky personality, which many dont like. Why does he have to be loved by all?
They are free to do exactly what they want. Just like I'm free to criticize those who boo. Silva is a top guy and to compare him to mundine is a slightly long bow to draw. Mundine gets boo'd because he *deserves* it, even the japanse would boo him! :)
IMO Silva was boo'd because he took Rich's belt (and likely also that he's not american). Silva is a top guy, and Rich showed great class in telling the crowd to pull their fu*king heads in.
And I never said that the japanese fans were smarter, just that IMO as a whole they seem to appreciate the context of the ground game a little more as there is more 'oohs' and 'ahhs' as the positional game changes, they seem to know when a submission is close and so forth. This differs from the americans in the fact that they alternate between cheering and booing whilst its the ground game, only cheering when there is G&P or an obvious submission attempt. Obvioulsy this is generalising everyone as a whole, but thats how I see it. There will be many exceptions to that analysis of course, but thats what I've been seeing and was more evident at UFC 68. Maybe it was just the ohio fans.
I think you know what I'm meaning. And I do see your view. It's not that I'm against the US fans or dont like them cheering or liking more the G&P and stand up stuff. I'm happy for them to 'get into the show' but perhaps some of them mistake their enthusasim for a WWF type show. It's just that I would really hate the (fast becoming number 1) MMA platform to start turning MMA into a WWF-style event...
Personally, a blend of both crowd types would suit me best.
Utter Crap it doesnt happen in boxing - it happens in boxing in this country, and in the USA all the time. It happened yesterday when Vazquez quit on his stool - it happens all the time in boxing. Why can Aussies boo mundine, but Americans cant bee Sylvia?
Ive been to over a dozen big fights in Vegas, and 3 UFC's - the UFC crowds are much more educated than boxing, take that to the bank. The vegas boxing fan is a yuppie there for the comped room and prestige of the event.
Go youtube the bonello-parr fight from last month in Sydney, Bonello got booed. Whats the big deal? Has anyone ever booed Mundine?
And what footy games do you watch? Certain players get booed whenever they go near it. Even the commentators mentioned it on Sunday when North fans bood farmer - in a practise match no less.
Are you saying football or fighting events in the UK dont have booing? Um, think 80s type middleweights who got crowds divided in the UK for a start. heck, Joe Bugner used to get booed everytime when fighting out of the UK - for once beating a UK favourite.
MMA crowds look like tattoed rednecks - because thats what they are! Look at the industry, the fighters, the trainers etc. All the same.
Ive got no problem with fans getting involved. It's all part of the atmosphere. It happens everywhere, bar Japan, where they dont say anything.
Who does what at which sport is academic. The fact of the matter is if you boo pro athletes in any sport you're stupid white trash. And the fans at the UFC boo far more and for far less a reason than just about any sport I've ever witnessed. And you can take that to the bank.
Who does what at which sport is academic. The fact of the matter is if you boo pro athletes in any sport you're stupid white trash. And the fans at the UFC boo far more and for far less a reason than just about any sport I've ever witnessed. And you can take that to the bank.
Watch boxing then.
Fact is these sports are blood sports, you cant expect a ballet crowd.
Watch boxing then.
Fact is these sports are blood sports, you cant expect a ballet crowd.
Which UFC did you see? WHat was it like? I'd love to go see one.
best UFC I went to was 47 - Ortiz v Liddel 1.
A great, great atmosphere, the crowd was basically divided straight down the middle and it was a huge party type atmosphere. There was singing, chanting (and booing ;) ) You could tell it was an 'event', where as Kimo v Shamrock show (48 I think by memory) was a lot more boring.
Everybody in bars etc had a real strong opinion, a bit like a really big boxing fight which just caught the imagination of everyone.
If you are going to go to Vegas, try and make it a fight weekend.
A totally different atmosphere than a average weekend.
best UFC I went to was 47 - Ortiz v Liddel 1.
A great, great atmosphere, the crowd was basically divided straight down the middle and it was a huge party type atmosphere. There was singing, chanting (and booing ;) ) You could tell it was an 'event', where as Kimo v Shamrock show (48 I think by memory) was a lot more boring.
Everybody in bars etc had a real strong opinion, a bit like a really big boxing fight which just caught the imagination of everyone.
Sweet. I was in Vegas when Fedor v Colman PRIDE was on. Wish tickest were available (and not a bazillion dolars). I'm told it is a hell of a lot harder to get tickets now then back say a year or two ago. So I ended up going to some second rate event which was cool, but no UFC.
Yea, I woulda taken the punt on a scalper.
I did that for De La Hoya - Hopkins, it was sold out, but you just play the scalpers bluff and wait as long as you can. Eventually we got em for $350 each, which was face value for nosebleeds.
That night was funny actually, that guy ended up sitting near us with a stack of spare seats around us - he did his nuts that night, bought a stack of tickets he couldnt get rid of.
He told us he woulda got rid of em for anything in the end, couldnt believe his luck.
Although fights like Pride at the UNLV campass arent the same as at the casinos, which turn into big fight parties after. Its a bit of a hassle going out there to the fight, once you go to a few on the strip. Still woulda tried tho.
Which event did you go to? A WEF or something? I dont think KOTC has done much in Vegas lately. The Orleans get a few lower level shows.
Yea, I woulda taken the punt on a scalper.
I did that for De La Hoya - Hopkins, it was sold out, but you just play the scalpers bluff and wait as long as you can. Eventually we got em for $350 each, which was face value for nosebleeds.
That night was funny actually, that guy ended up sitting near us with a stack of spare seats around us - he did his nuts that night, bought a stack of tickets he couldnt get rid of.
He told us he woulda got rid of em for anything in the end, couldnt believe his luck.
Although fights like Pride at the UNLV campass arent the same as at the casinos, which turn into big fight parties after. Its a bit of a hassle going out there to the fight, once you go to a few on the strip. Still woulda tried tho.
Which event did you go to? A WEF or something? I dont think KOTC has done much in Vegas lately. The Orleans get a few lower level shows.
I went a saw WPFC (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&EventID=4300). Was relativly boring card. Hirotaka Yokoi was the only name guy on the card and he made minced meat out of his opponent. Gina Carano is uber hot though. Was all the way out at the Orleans arena.
what did you guys think of randy's liddel-style looping rights? nailed tim some rippers. I was looking at the tv just stunned!
yer it was amazing. who would've thought he would be that dominant. i don't reckon randy got hurt at all. it seemed as if tim was overawed by the event. he just never tried to win the fight.
yer it was amazing. who would've thought he would be that dominant. i don't reckon randy got hurt at all. it seemed as if tim was overawed by the event. he just never tried to win the fight.
But he had an injury!!! Wah Wah!
The blokes a goose! Friggen cry baby.
The belt looks so much more natural around the "Naturals" waist... Ironic huh?
what did you guys think of randy's liddel-style looping rights? nailed tim some rippers. I was looking at the tv just stunned!
Yea, he sorta had to throw em with the height difference, but Sylvia throws such a lazy jab it was a money shot all night.
I honestly think Sylvia has trouble seeing punches - he continually gets nailed, especially big right hands, he just has horrible footwork and no head movement.
Yea, he sorta had to throw em with the height difference, but Sylvia throws such a lazy jab it was a money shot all night.
I honestly think Sylvia has trouble seeing punches - he continually gets nailed, especially big right hands, he just has horrible footwork and no head movement.
I don't its that. His reaction time is pathetic and his game plan did not work.
What game plan you ask? The same game plan he has used for the past 25 fights.... Being tall, having a reach advantage and heavier... The guy is a moron!
He also cant put more than 2 punches together.
he is considered a striker, yet his striking is very, very bad, even for MMA standard. He kept missing with his lead, or lead right, but then was off balance and couldnt do anything from that position. Randy's striking was ok, nothing great, but made to look awesome by this guy. Randy was actually really tired from about the 3rd onwards, but Sylvia had nothing at all.
He has been the lucky the UFC has had a horrendously weak Heavyweight division lately.
He also cant put more than 2 punches together.
he is considered a striker, yet his striking is very, very bad, even for MMA standard. He kept missing with his lead, or lead right, but then was off balance and couldnt do anything from that position. Randy's striking was ok, nothing great, but made to look awesome by this guy. Randy was actually really tired from about the 3rd onwards, but Sylvia had nothing at all.
He has been the lucky the UFC has had a horrendously weak Heavyweight division lately.
Agreed. If i was Tim Sylvia's size, I reckon *I'd* have a chance in taking him out. For professional MMA thats baaad. He looked pitiful compared to Randy the giant killer :)
Dream fight, crocop vs Randy. This is one of the fights I was praying for a few years ago. Crocop will stop Randy though, but if anyone can prove comon sense wrong, it's Couture.
check out randy's post fight interview on ufc.com it's on the right of the front page. Mike Swick interviews Randy and got all gushy at the end saying how he's looked up to him for ages etc, was pretty cool. Jeez is there anyone in MMA with the amount of respect Randy has from his peers? Didn't Fedor once quote Randy as the man he looked up to most?
check out randy's post fight interview on ufc.com it's on the right of the front page. Mike Swick interviews Randy and got all gushy at the end saying how he's looked up to him for ages etc, was pretty cool. Jeez is there anyone in MMA with the amount of respect Randy has from his peers? Didn't Fedor once quote Randy as the man he looked up to most?
Cheers Deej, enjoyed that. Now I just can't wait for UFC 69 and GSP. Logic says he's gonna kill Serra, and you know what? Even if he does and it's over in 10 seconds I still can't wait to see him in the ring, he's just such a cool fighter to watch, he oozes positive energy.
It could be said that PRIDE 'arguably' has the greatest spread of fighting talent in MMA (don't worry, not going there, just setting up an example). But I don't think there is any doubt that the UFC has the 2 most respected, down to earth and likeable fighters as champions in this sport. You couldn't ask for two greater ambassadors than Randy Couture and Georges St Pierre.
Presti_is_god
6 Mar 2007, 20:19
Cheers Deej, enjoyed that. Now I just can't wait for UFC 69 and GSP. Logic says he's gonna kill Serra, and you know what? Even if he does and it's over in 10 seconds I still can't wait to see him in the ring, he's just such a cool fighter to watch, he oozes positive energy.
It could be said that PRIDE 'arguably' has the greatest spread of fighting talent in MMA (don't worry, not going there, just setting up an example). But I don't think there is any doubt that the UFC has the 2 most respected, down to earth and likeable fighters as champions in this sport. You couldn't ask for two greater ambassadors than Randy Couture and Georges St Pierre.
Your looking forward to UFC 69?
Thats the worst card theyve had in years.
And your right about Randy and GSP, Fedor is up there with them too.
Your looking forward to UFC 69?
Thats the worst card theyve had in years.
And your right about Randy and GSP, Fedor is up there with them too.
Hmmm you are right, the card is crap. Looking forward to 69 purely for GSP, and that really was my point. Got some interesting prelim fights though. Suprised Hearing isn't main card, though his last fight was ordinary.
Your looking forward to UFC 69?
Thats the worst card theyve had in years.
And your right about Randy and GSP, Fedor is up there with them too.
I look forward to any UFC or Pride event ;)
Anyone see Dana White's post-UFC 68 interview? Crack up! He certainly shoots from the hip re: Pride and Chuck Liddel's interview on Texas TV. It's gold.
Dream fight, crocop vs Randy. This is one of the fights I was praying for a few years ago. Crocop will stop Randy though, but if anyone can prove comon sense wrong, it's Couture.
I really dont like this matchup for Randy at all.
Mirko has everything chuck is, but raise it a level (or two). He is naturally bigger & stronger obviously, has the best sprawl in MMA & generally great take down defense, is levels and levels ahead of chuck in the striking department, and his gameplan is proven against bigger and heavier heavyweights than Randy.
Unlike the Sylvia fight, and like the Chuck fight, Randy MUST be able to get to the top position on the ground to be able to win. There is no other way he can win the fight unless he lands a hail mary punch, which I wouldnt bet on.
I agree that if anyone can do it, Randy can, and I'd hate to bet against him, but I would in tihs fight.
I really dont like this matchup for Randy at all.
Mirko has everything chuck is, but raise it a level (or two). He is naturally bigger & stronger obviously, has the best sprawl in MMA & generally great take down defense, is levels and levels ahead of chuck in the striking department, and his gameplan is proven against bigger and heavier heavyweights than Randy.
Unlike the Sylvia fight, and like the Chuck fight, Randy MUST be able to get to the top position on the ground to be able to win. There is no other way he can win the fight unless he lands a hail mary punch, which I wouldnt bet on.
I agree that if anyone can do it, Randy can, and I'd hate to bet against him, but I would in tihs fight.
Agree with all this. 2 ways randy can win are like Randleman did against crocop with that lucky punch and to get him down and sit on him for 5 rounds. When Randy was LHW champ I was all over a Wandi, Randy fight. Since then Chuck has shown a big hole in Randy's game. Don't get taken down and tee off. Unfortunately for Randy this describes Crocops game perfectly. The one thing going for Couture is that he's one smart cookie. Everyone knows what crocop is going to do, he's been doing it for years. If anyone can find a weakness it's Randy. His inability to do it vs Liddell doesn't inspire confidence though
Your looking forward to UFC 69?
Thats the worst card theyve had in years.
And your right about Randy and GSP, Fedor is up there with them too.
IMO it's not much worse than 68 really.
Sure, GSP v Serra is a mismatch (as was just about all of 68), however Sanchez v Koscheck is a barn burner!
Sure, this will be boring and they arent the top dogs in their division, but it is a very interesting matchup.
Koscheck is the human blanket, boring, but very effective with great pure wrestling, and diego is similar in that he must control the fight on the ground, however his wrestling isnt at Kosi's level. Sanchez can work well from his back tho, and is a better submission wrestler than Koscheck.
I wouldnt be suprised if Koscheck lays n prays all night, and wins a razor thin decision.
I really dont like this matchup for Randy at all.
Mirko has everything chuck is, but raise it a level (or two). He is naturally bigger & stronger obviously, has the best sprawl in MMA & generally great take down defense, is levels and levels ahead of chuck in the striking department, and his gameplan is proven against bigger and heavier heavyweights than Randy.
Unlike the Sylvia fight, and like the Chuck fight, Randy MUST be able to get to the top position on the ground to be able to win. There is no other way he can win the fight unless he lands a hail mary punch, which I wouldnt bet on.
I agree that if anyone can do it, Randy can, and I'd hate to bet against him, but I would in tihs fight.
Yeah totally agree. He cannot stand with Mirko and must get a takedown early and G&P. Mind you Randy has an awesome ground game, is very experienced in the cage so if he gets Mirko down and near the fence he may have a decent chance to pound or sumbit. I do fear for Randy though.
Agree with all this. 2 ways randy can win are like Randleman did against crocop with that lucky punch and to get him down and sit on him for 5 rounds. When Randy was LHW champ I was all over a Wandi, Randy fight. Since then Chuck has shown a big hole in Randy's game. Don't get taken down and tee off. Unfortunately for Randy this describes Crocops game perfectly. The one thing going for Couture is that he's one smart cookie. Everyone knows what crocop is going to do, he's been doing it for years. If anyone can find a weakness it's Randy. His inability to do it vs Liddell doesn't inspire confidence though
As they say too, Randy wasn't in the best shape mentally for either of his losses to Chuck. He now says hes in a really positive frame of mind and the divorce and his personal issues are behind him. That could count for something. But Mirko >> Chuck so it's going to be extremely tough going for the natural.
IMO it's not much worse than 68 really.
Sure, GSP v Serra is a mismatch (as was just about all of 68), however Sanchez v Koscheck is a barn burner!
Sure, this will be boring and they arent the top dogs in their division, but it is a very interesting matchup.
Koscheck is the human blanket, boring, but very effective with great pure wrestling, and diego is similar in that he must control the fight on the ground, however his wrestling isnt at Kosi's level. Sanchez can work well from his back tho, and is a better submission wrestler than Koscheck.
I wouldnt be suprised if Koscheck lays n prays all night, and wins a razor thin decision.
I think Sanchez will destroy Koscheck, but thats just my gut.
I think sanchez has the potential to be a real contender... and I just think Koscheck is a bit of a tool - at least he was on the show ;) He may have improved a fair bit, but I can't see him harming Sanchez unless he takes him down and sits there.
yea, overall Sanchez is a better fighter, but fights, especially MMA, are all about styles, and I think Koschecks awesome wrestling will not auger well for someone like Sanchez.
Sanchez likes to be aggressive on the ground, but that is where he may run into a problem here. Koscheck is one of the best pure wrestlers in the UFC. He will be extremely hard to get onto his back, I think Sanchez may have to win this one from his back.
I can see a Koscheck lay and pray victory.
Diaz will obviously start favourite, but I think this fight is much better than it seems at first glance.
Diego should win this one. He pumped Kozi in TUF, and would expect him to do it again. He has a very well rounded game for a grapler and I wouldn't discount his stand up being a factor, especially against Koscheck.
dont guy by TUF, Koschech has improved out of sight since then. His striking MAY actually now be better than Sanchez's.
Remember, going into that TUF, Koschech was an MMA novice, basically a college wrestler. Sanchez was already an MMA star in KOTC.
This should be a much better fight. No doubt Diego will start fav tho.
yea, overall Sanchez is a better fighter, but fights, especially MMA, are all about styles, and I think Koschecks awesome wrestling will not auger well for someone like Sanchez.
Sanchez likes to be aggressive on the ground, but that is where he may run into a problem here. Koscheck is one of the best pure wrestlers in the UFC. He will be extremely hard to get onto his back, I think Sanchez may have to win this one from his back.
I can see a Koscheck lay and pray victory.
Diaz will obviously start favourite, but I think this fight is much better than it seems at first glance.
Yeah it will be a good fight, and a recent interview I saw suggests he's improved a great deal. But he will have to have to get the victory over Deigo.
dont guy by TUF, Koschech has improved out of sight since then. His striking MAY actually now be better than Sanchez's.
Remember, going into that TUF, Koschech was an MMA novice, basically a college wrestler. Sanchez was already an MMA star in KOTC.
This should be a much better fight. No doubt Diego will start fav tho.
I still think Nightmare will stop Koscheck via sub or TKO. What I've seen of him Diego was awesome, Nick Diaz was last fight I saw. I also saw Kozi's last and didn't see much difference to his TUF fights except he was a little more sleep enducing. Head and heart go with Diego
Anyone see Dana White's post-UFC 68 interview? Crack up! He certainly shoots from the hip re: Pride and Chuck Liddel's interview on Texas TV. It's gold.
Jeez i just watched Dana on youtube then saw chuck's interview, man chuck was wasted. That was bad.
check this interview, dana recently on fox sports
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7eFsJ7AuVo
Reckons he'll have Fedor soon, apparently Chuck wants to fight him. Also speaks about Angle and Lesnar from WWE.
Jeez i just watched Dana on youtube then saw chuck's interview, man chuck was wasted. That was bad.
Yeah tell me about it... And Dana tees off on Pride and whoever Chuck's manager is!
check this interview, dana recently on fox sports
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7eFsJ7AuVo
Reckons he'll have Fedor soon, apparently Chuck wants to fight him. Also speaks about Angle and Lesnar from WWE.
Good interview. Encouraging thoughts by Dana to allow knees to the head to grounded opponents. Somewhat disheartening to hear how he doesn't really like soccer kicks and stomps though. Still, knees on ground would be a good start. I think the hard work Dana is doing to push MMA more mainstream would be undone by allowing the more 'brutal' rules such as soccer kicks in anyway... so in terms of marketing, he's probably saying the right things there...although I dont agree with him in principal. Interesting to say he's going to get Fedor, though he didn't seem as interested with Shogun.
i'm adding the youtube bits to the youtube thread now. we should try and post all the links there so we have them all together.
Someone should do the tips for UFC 68 because mine were good for a change..
I got full points on this one-
Jason Gilliam vs. Jamie Varner - Round 1 - Submission (Rear Naked Choke)
:thumbsu:
Someone should do the tips for UFC 68 because mine were good for a change..
I got full points on this one-
:thumbsu:
You guessed. :rolleyes:
You guessed. :rolleyes:
Yes I guessed.... but I guessed better than YOU ;)
Yes I guessed.... but I guessed better than YOU ;)
Both 7 from 9. Do we need to take this to the mat?
Someone should do the tips for UFC 68 because mine were good for a change..
I got full points on this one-
:thumbsu:
Refer to my tip for the main event!
Well, I picked the Sanchez-Koscheck fight like a dirty nose! nice collect too!
I couldnt see how Sanchez could possibly win, and really it showed, although it wasnt a belting, it was very one sided and Josh was in total control.
Sanchez has no real huge strengths IMO, and cant really understand the hype which suggests he will hold a title one day. Based one what? Ordinary on his feet, ok submission wreslter, not the best off his back etc? Basically, if he cant take you down, he needs to land a hail mary of a punch.
IMO, love him or hate him, Koscheck has huge upside at welterweight, and may prove to be a real handful for anyone. His wrestling base is just so good, unbelievably good, and now has added some nice boxing to that. He is sorta a poor mans, 170lb Couture. I know many hate him, but his potential is scary.
Yeah good call re Koscheck. Awesome wrestler and nice hands, but christ that was a boring fight. Josh did what he had to do to win but dont expect him to put bums on seats, he is the most piss boring fighter I've seen in a long time.
Extremely poor mans Couture. Couture pushes a fight. Sanchez on the other hand was extremely disappointing and suprised me how ineffective he was.
I say put Kos up against Matt Hughes to shut his cocky mouth up.
Anyway, good work for Kos, but I'm looking forward to him getting KTFO by Hughes or GSP.
Presti_is_god
9 Apr 2007, 19:58
Why are you talking about 69 in a thread titled UFC 68? people who havent seen it would get furious.
Yeah good call re Koscheck. Awesome wrestler and nice hands, but christ that was a boring fight. Josh did what he had to do to win but dont expect him to put bums on seats, he is the most piss boring fighter I've seen in a long time.
Yep, no doubt boring as, but if it is effective...
Extremely poor mans Couture. Couture pushes a fight. Sanchez on the other hand was extremely disappointing and suprised me how ineffective he was.
Couture has been in the game much longer - remember, in the house (where everybody saw him) Kos was simply an awesome all american wrestler with little else. His improvement curve is, and will continue to be extremely steep.
randy was not great from the outset, he lost many a fight.
On Sanchez, why were you suprised how ineffective he was? What has he shown exactly? I really dont see the hype in him, behond a solid contender. He is a long way off champion level IMO. If he cant use his strength/wrestling base against you, he will struggle. He has little else.
He got schooled in every element of that fight by Kos.
I say put Kos up against Matt Hughes to shut his cocky mouth up.
Anyway, good work for Kos, but I'm looking forward to him getting KTFO by Hughes or GSP.
GSP Yes, as GSP has great takedown defense and will more than likely smash Kos standing. Although, as the weekend showed, anything can happen when you mix it up and get sloppy.
Hughes, I dunno. It's all about Styles - IMO Kos is better at stand up (not hard), and better pure wreslter (not submission wrestler tho). Many dont realise what calibre wrestler Kos is/was - one of the best seen in MMA. He is a freak athlete too. He will improve vastly in the future.
Dunno how Hughes will do if he cant get that takedown - perhasp can work a sub from his back, but I wouldnt bet on it.
My gut feel in that one is like Hughes-GSP - Hughes wont be able to get the takedown, and get schooled standing.
Why are you talking about 69 in a thread titled UFC 68? people who havent seen it would get furious.
because these threads sort of merge - this fight was discussed previously in this thread.
Ive never understood this on many forums - why the need for spoilers? If you havnt seen the fight, dont go to a MMA board! The only fight boards I go to down dont bother with spoilers. Common sense eliminates the need.
What, everyone now has to watch what they say in every thread in case some is lurking who hasnt seen the fight?
Do football games not get spoken about on the main forum until it is shown and everyone has had a chance to watch it?
Yep, no doubt boring as, but if it is effective...
I agree, but Kos's style and gameplan from the get go was to win by points. I just HATE that. Yes, he gets the job done, but it's ugly.
Couture has been in the game much longer - remember, in the house (where everybody saw him) Kos was simply an awesome all american wrestler with little else. His improvement curve is, and will continue to be extremely steep.
randy was not great from the outset, he lost many a fight.
Go back to UFC 13 and 15 when Randy was just starting and tell me that again. I actually watched them both on the weekend and Randy was a machine from the get go. His fight vs Belfort at UFC 15 is a classic and could be looked upon indicator of moden day MMA back then. He was way ahead of the curve IMO.
On Sanchez, why were you suprised how ineffective he was? What has he shown exactly? I really dont see the hype in him, behond a solid contender. He is a long way off champion level IMO. If he cant use his strength/wrestling base against you, he will struggle. He has little else.
He got schooled in every element of that fight by Kos.
Why was I suprised? I didn't underrate or overrate either fighter, its just that I was mainly suprised how sanchez approached the fight. He didn't attack or push the fight, he didn't adapt to the striking or adopt that usual aggressive way of taking it to his opponents. I thought he would have brought more to the table. I thought his hands might have matched Kos's but Kos showed he was superior. That didn't suprise me so much that sanchez might have recognised that perhaps after a few minutes, but instead he continued to use that same tactics for the next 10+ minutes to no avail! :rolleyes: !
Perhaps he's actually a pretty dumb fighter that has previously just relied on ground skills and agression to get by.
I have always regarded Diego as a good contender, I think I just underated Kos's hands.
I also didn't think he was schooled in every element of the fight... hands and takedowns yes, but of what was on the ground, he was swept by Diego in about 10 seconds after landing that takedown in the first.
The only thing I think Josh did better was adopt a better gameplan and fight better to his strengths. I reckon the fight was unimpressive for BOTH fighters.
I'd say now I regard them about on par overall, but I would MUCH rather watch sanchez than Kos. Both would get schooled by Hughes or GSP imo :thumbsu:
GSP Yes, as GSP has great takedown defense and will more than likely smash Kos standing. Although, as the weekend showed, anything can happen when you mix it up and get sloppy.
Agreed! Now that was a suprise!
Hughes, I dunno. It's all about Styles - IMO Kos is better at stand up (not hard), and better pure wreslter (not submission wrestler tho). Many dont realise what calibre wrestler Kos is/was - one of the best seen in MMA. He is a freak athlete too. He will improve vastly in the future.
Agreed. Definately a better pure wrestler. I cannot deny that he is a freak there but I knew that. He's totally at sea on the ground though and Hughes would manhandle Josh on the ground.
Dunno how Hughes will do if he cant get that takedown - perhasp can work a sub from his back, but I wouldnt bet on it.
My gut feel in that one is like Hughes-GSP - Hughes wont be able to get the takedown, and get schooled standing.
I cant see Kos beating Hughes, but I could be wrong. I thought Diego would probably have it over Kos so who knows. That being said Hughes is a different kettle of fish that Deigo all together ;)
I agree, but Kos's style and gameplan from the get go was to win by points. I just HATE that. Yes, he gets the job done, but it's ugly.
Yep, ugly boring you name it, but my feel is that if you are winning, keep winning. It is up to the other guy who has to adjust to you. Combat sports are too fickle to worry about winning good, and the highlight reel KO etc. Especially someone so young in MMA like Koschech. He just wanted the win. The onus was on Sanchez, and he did nothing.
Go back to UFC 13 and 15 when Randy was just starting and tell me that again. I actually watched them both on the weekend and Randy was a machine from the get go. His fight vs Belfort at UFC 15 is a classic and could be looked upon indicator of moden day MMA back then. He was way ahead of the curve IMO.
No doubt he was, but I mean as a complete fighter like he is today. He is a much fighter at nearly mid 40's than he was at 30 - many factors such as the evolvement of the sport, but it took him a while to be the much more complete fighter he is today. Fighters werent as rounded then as they are today etc. He didnt have to be as good, just better than the rest.
Speaking of Vitor, isnt he an interesting one. Dunno what happened there - he could have been anything once.
Why was I suprised? I didn't underrate or overrate either fighter, its just that I was mainly suprised how sanchez approached the fight. He didn't attack or push the fight, he didn't adapt to the striking or adopt that usual aggressive way of taking it to his opponents. I thought he would have brought more to the table. I thought his hands might have matched Kos's but Kos showed he was superior. That didn't suprise me so much that sanchez might have recognised that perhaps after a few minutes, but instead he continued to use that same tactics for the next 10+ minutes to no avail! :rolleyes: !
Thats my point from the above, I blame Sanchez more than Kos. You cant blame a guy, fighting a guy who beat him in the past, to force a fight more when it was going beautifully for him.
Sanchez had to do something, but as I felt before the fight, Im not sure there was much he could do. Just a really bad styles matchup for him.
Perhaps he's actually a pretty dumb fighter that has previously just relied on ground skills and agression to get by.
Yep, but then again Greg Jackson's fighters arent normally renowned for being dumb, or fighting dumb. He is considered one of, if not, the best in the business.
I thought Sanchez could of at least attempted, or feinted with the takedown. Not to get it, but present something different to Kos, and get him thinking about it - which would at least help to open him up for strikes. He was just a predictable, sitting duck.
I also didn't think he was schooled in every element of the fight... hands and takedowns yes, but of what was on the ground, he was swept by Diego in about 10 seconds after landing that takedown in the first.
Yea, that did happen. My initial thought tho was Kos used it as he knew it was the end of the round, and got the easy takedown to secure it. But, as I said, that was the only area in which Sanchez could of won it.
Agreed! Now that was a suprise!
Mate, I am still a bit shocked! Probably one of the biggest upsets I can remember in any combat sport for a while.
Agreed. Definately a better pure wrestler. I cannot deny that he is a freak there but I knew that. He's totally at sea on the ground though and Hughes would manhandle Josh on the ground.
I cant see Kos beating Hughes, but I could be wrong. I thought Diego would probably have it over Kos so who knows. That being said Hughes is a different kettle of fish that Deigo all together ;)
He is a different kettle, no doubt, but, the same styles dilema is there. It doesnt matter how good Hughes is at submissions, wrestling, off his back etc - if he cant take Kos down, he is in big trouble. Hughes's striking is amazingly average (for someone in the sport so long) - actually horrible when all things considered.
Whats the old saying, "Being a world boxing champion is about as useful as being the world chess champion, if you are on your back". Same goes Vice Versa. If you cant take Kos down, and I think it would be a huge effort for anyone to do so, your ground skills are moot.
That fight could easily go the way of Hughes-GSP tho - Kos to look good, then get caught quickly in something. That wouldnt suprise me - actually, nothing will, after the Serra upset!
A bit like Chuck - doesnt matter how good a wrestler you are or what your history is, if you cant get him down, he will beat you, and more than likely KO you, (unless you are a better striker of course).
Speaking of light heavies, did you see or get the pride results? It looks like we have another potential contender to that throne.
Just saw the Kos/Sanchez fight. Lots of people say Kos is horrible to watch, but I like the guy. He's a cocky, confident guy, which comes off in his matches, so I don't see how he's boring.