Melbourne Victory

[hyperswivel]

So who's gotten on board The Victory?

I got keen about half way through the season, and attended 4 regular season matches and the last final. I've secured tickets to this weekends finale as well.

Any fellow Hawks going? Should be a massive night

[Hawk Dork]

Not enough goals

[MightyFighting]

Meh.

[Herbs hawks]

Not really into the A league that much, but on the Victory this Sunday. Listening to SEN a fair bit the way they pump them up it's hard not to get into it.

[Cynic]

Bores me to death sorry.

[Roddy]

I'd rather have both my eyeballs removed by 17 rusty forks and then rammed violently into both ears......

[hawkaz1]

Yeh, I don't get this soccer bandwagon. Everyday on the news there's something about Melbourne Victory and it's getting annoying. As soon as they start losing everything will go back to the way it was before. :thumbsu:

[Hawk Dork]

I would rather watch AFL chipping backwards and forward and not scoreing.

[Roddy]

I would rather watch AFL chipping backwards and forward and not scoreing.

I'd rather watch an Inverloch-Congwac 4th's training session.....

[hawkaz1]

Melbourne won 6 -0, I would have prefered they lost, oh well in a week everybody will have forgotten soccer and footy will be back:thumbsu:

[hyperswivel]

Not enough goals

Really?

[Gary Shadforth]

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Pity it was such a one sided match. I watched it at the Mildura Working Man's Club. There were probably about 20 people watching it at the start of the game but as it progessed only about six were left, most of those opting to play poker in an adjoining room.

[Hawk Dork]

Really?

Yer even 6 isnt enough
I want to see 20 each

[kolchak]

Bring in the hip and shoulder to soccer and you have a game.

[hyperswivel]

Actually, there were a few big hip & shoulders, but they quickly get carded.
The Australian brand of soccer is much more physical than the European's. Don't see as much in the way of diving acts. It's growing on me. Always hated it growing up - bored me to tears. The live matches are what has converted me.

[Hawk Dork]

Bring in the hip and shoulder to soccer and you have a game.
I wish they bring it back to the AFL

[Roddy]

Bring in the hip and shoulder to soccer and you have a game.

Bring in the hip and shoulder, in fact bring in SOME form of physical contact, enlargen the goals, abolish the offside rule, make the players hit the gym for 12 months, also send them to army boot camp to toughen them up so they're not such utter pussies, abolish kicking backwards to your own goalie every 5 minutes, make it illegal to piss around with the ball for minutes on end, tell their crowds to chill the f*ck out it's only a game for christ's sake and THEN you have a game....

[hyperswivel]

Bring in the hip and shoulder, in fact bring in SOME form of physical contact,
The fact that it's a low-contact sport is what makes the game attractive to parents who want their kids to play a team sport without risking injuries that are so prevelant in other codes, which is why so many kids play the game as compared to other codes.


enlargen the goals,

and remove the element of skill

abolish the offside rule,

Thus introducing flooding, which has marred our game so much.

make the players hit the gym for 12 months, also send them to army boot camp to toughen them up so they're not such utter pussies,

Clearly you've not been watching A-League, but European soccer. Rest assured, if there is diving it's to gain an advantage in the game, albeit an unfair one by our standards, and not because they are "pussies".

abolish kicking backwards to your own goalie every 5 minutes
make it illegal to piss around with the ball for minutes on end,
Yeah, I've never seen this in AFL! At least in soccer, it's because of some element of strategy and setting up a play, not simply to run down the clock.

tell their crowds to chill the f*ck out it's only a game for christ's sake 55,000 patrons on the weekend and 99% very well behaved and providing an awesome atmosphere.


Don't get me wrong, I love AFL far more than soccer - but I hate these kind of ignorant statements that are clearly made by someone who has never bothered to watch a game, let alone appreciate it.

[vinnie]

Bring in the hip and shoulder, in fact bring in SOME form of physical contact, enlargen the goals, abolish the offside rule, make the players hit the gym for 12 months, also send them to army boot camp to toughen them up so they're not such utter pussies, abolish kicking backwards to your own goalie every 5 minutes, make it illegal to piss around with the ball for minutes on end, tell their crowds to chill the f*ck out it's only a game for christ's sake and THEN you have a game....

Mte, these same comments are made by rugby people in NSW and QLD who see AFL as a pussy sport, so if you want comparison, why don't you compare AFL to rugby.

'Soccer no physical contact'. You ever played? WHy don't you play as a forward against the Vas brothers who play for Knox City and go up for headers. Do that then come back and say soccer is not physical you moron.

[Cynic]

Please don't try and tell people that soccer isn't soft.

I've seen plenty of soccer unfortunately and in every league be it English Premier, A-League or even the World Cup I can't remember one incidence of a player getting hit and not rolling around like a girl.

[Roddy]

Please don't try and tell people that soccer isn't soft.

I've seen plenty of soccer unfortunately and in every league be it English Premier, A-League or even the World Cup I can't remember one incidence of a player getting hit and not rolling around like a girl.

Soft, mind-numbingly boring, excruciatingly defensive, all that and more....

[Roddy]

Mte, these same comments are made by rugby people in NSW and QLD who see AFL as a pussy sport, so if you want comparison, why don't you compare AFL to rugby.

'Soccer no physical contact'. You ever played? WHy don't you play as a forward against the Vas brothers who play for Knox City and go up for headers. Do that then come back and say soccer is not physical you moron.

Ha!:D People who resort to mindless, childish name-calling make me laugh my guts up!!!!:thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu:

[vinnie]

Please don't try and tell people that soccer isn't soft.

I've seen plenty of soccer unfortunately and in every league be it English Premier, A-League or even the World Cup I can't remember one incidence of a player getting hit and not rolling around like a girl.

I'm not talking about WATCHING sport, fella. That's lazy and easy, even soft. I'm talking PLAYING. You played? You gone in for a tackle against Theo the turk in my team? I've seen him break legs. No rolling.

Just b/c you some players roll on the ground in the world cup doesn't mean the game is soft. That's absurd. Some players act that's part of the game. I bet there's parts of AFL you would like changed as well?

[Cynic]

Just b/c you some players roll on the ground in the world cup doesn't mean the game is soft. That's absurd.

Ah but because your friend has broken a player's legs its not soft?

I admire your logic.

But yes I will admit that there are a few changes I'd make to our game.

[Roddy]

Put most puff-ball players on the Footy field and they wouldn't last 2 minutes without rolling on the ground squealing like stuck pigs. And I think Theo the Turk is in the minority. And kicking people in the shins and breaking their legs while they run with the ball is hardly 'tough' I'd say....

[vinnie]

Why don't you come down and train with the boys? Play against Theo, Johnny A or Scotty in central defence. If you don't end up with any bruises show me afterwards and I'll pay you some money. If you're clean, you pay me. How about it?

Don't just watch the game, that's weak. PLay the game and them make an informed comment. If you've played, then I accept your view.

Camberwell on Thurs night. 7.15 pm.

[Cynic]

lol

I don't understand your argument. If we get 'bruises' playing soccer its a 'tough' sport? The only way we'd get bruises is if some other bloke kicked us in the legs which FYI is how girls fight.

You don't scratch as well do you?

[vinnie]

lol

I don't understand your argument. If we get 'bruises' playing soccer its a 'tough' sport? The only way we'd get bruises is if some other bloke kicked us in the legs which FYI is how girls fight.

You don't scratch as well do you?

That's b/c bruises can result only from physical contact. I'll tell you what, you tell me what constitutes tough, and soft, and we'll work from there. I can define tough any way you want me to.

Put your money where your mouth is, come down to soccer training one night, no more than that, then come back on this forum and you can bag soccer all you want if its warranted.

You're either scared or weak.

Camberwell, burke road 7.15 pm this Thurs.

[Cynic]

...I'm either scared or weak? Well that is a difficult choice...I'll have to go with 'weak' but you have to understand that there is a rather annoying stretch of sea between me and Camberwell which is really more of the problem than me being weak.

I'll give you a hint, a non-contact sport is 'soft'.

[vinnie]

********. You're a kiwi

Still a soft excuse. Why can't you go to a local soccer club and do just one training session? I'll give you a hint - don't train against the defenders - go with the midfielders they don't tackle as hard. And wear shinguards so you don't bruise your supple legs, but if you're tough as you imply then you can go without.

Look forward to hearing how your soccer training session goes. The forum waits in suspense.

Remeber your definition of 'soft' is no contact. If you don't have any physical contact while you hold the ball (your definition of soft), you are then in a position to say that soccer is soft and I will humbly agree. I would still be happy to bet money with you I need the cash for next year's Victory membership.

[Cynic]

I was referring to the Bass Strait...

I'm not going to goto a soccer training session as it would be a waste of my time.

FYI I was unfortunate enough to play soccer in Primary to High School and while I can't comment on adult soccer training the training I did was as about as tough as a pillow fight.

[Roddy]

Hey Vinnie, I DON'T think I'll be coming down to play your weak, pussy-arse little 'sport'. I played a real sport for 10 years, and let me tell you about it.
Year 8 of my career: I suffered 2 broken fingers and a ruptured eardrum.
Year 9: I crossed legs with another player and mine broke. The crowd said they could hear the loud snap on the boundary line 40 metres away.
Then it got REALLY nasty....
Year 10: I took a knee to the guts which, unbeknownst to me, ruptured my spleen. I played on for 15 minutes, thinking I was just winded, until I collapsed. An ambulance rushed me to hospital, where the surgeons opened me up and found 2 litres of blood in my stomach that shouldn't have been there. I was approx 15-20 minutes from death. I still have the 6 inch scar on my gut to prove it.
So no, I don't think any of the piss-ant little bruises I get off Theo the Turk will quite compare to that (unless of course, he and 12 of his mates come visit me AFTER training)
Thanks for the offer though.....:thumbsu:

[vinnie]

Roddy

where does that leave your other favourite sport, cricket?

no excuses. its pretty simple - come along to one soccer training session, see how you go, then you are free to call soccer 'soft' and all the other names. I'll even buy you a beer afterwards. No tricks - just want you to actually play the game before slagging off that its a weak sport. That's all I want.

I don't go around claiming AFL is weak (I played it four 4 years). If I did claim its weak, I'd have the guts to try it before I make the claims you do about soccer.

See, I think you are weak. But prove me wrong. Show that there's no physicality in soccer. Are you in Melbourne?

Camberwell, 7.15pm Burke Rd - Ask for Vinnie. I'll be waiting.

[Roddy]

Does illiteracy run in the soccer family as well as softness? What part of the word 'no' do you not understand? Try looking the word up here: www.dictionary.com

[vinnie]

Thank-you I now understand the word 'no', but its not me you should be worried about.

Theo the big Turk will be waiting for you in the clubroom showers after your soccer training session. He doesn't know the meaning of 'no'.

[Roddy]

Thank-you I now understand the word 'no', but its not me you should be worried about.

Theo the big Turk will be waiting for you in the clubroom showers after your soccer training session. He doesn't know the meaning of 'no'.

Yeah, remind me not to drop the soap......

[Pessimistic]

Actually, there were a few big hip & shoulders, but they quickly get carded.
The Australian brand of soccer is much more physical than the European's. Don't see as much in the way of diving acts. It's growing on me. Always hated it growing up - bored me to tears. The live matches are what has converted me.


It would be great if Aussie soccer, and asia too - continued to have theatrics free soccer. I remember korea and japan being fresh too last time.

Will have a look at argentina next time out here - in the WC they have morphed from one of the most cynical, melodramtic and dirty teams ever into a great team to watch. Speed and Skill !

[kolchak]

Actually, there were a few big hip & shoulders, but they quickly get carded.
The Australian brand of soccer is much more physical than the European's. Don't see as much in the way of diving acts. It's growing on me. Always hated it growing up - bored me to tears. The live matches are what has converted me.

It is more physical, I hope Australia always play like that internationally as well, I'd rather see a physical game then see us win via diving, and generally doing anything but playing the game.

[hyperswivel]

If you want to get technical, ballet can be considered to be extremely physically punishing.

Soccer requires a high degree of skill and I enjoy it as a spectacle and especially so with the A-League which I think has derived much of it's good sportmanship and lack of diving from the rich tapestry of AFL.

I didn't begin this topic to start a debate on how tough players of any given code are. It was simply for Hawk fans who are also interested in the Victory a place to talk about the impending Grand Final and celebrate a great win together, and I don't think anyone can disagree that like it or not, the sport of soccer has enjoyed a huge profile boost as a result of A-League.

Maybe we'll see players switching codes in the future? Perhaps playing in both to stay fit as cricketers once did which gave birth to Aussie Rules in the early 1900s.

[Roddy]

If you want to get technical, ballet can be considered to be extremely physically punishing.

Soccer requires a high degree of skill and I enjoy it as a spectacle and especially so with the A-League which I think has derived much of it's good sportmanship and lack of diving from the rich tapestry of AFL.

I didn't begin this topic to start a debate on how tough players of any given code are. It was simply for Hawk fans who are also interested in the Victory a place to talk about the impending Grand Final and celebrate a great win together, and I don't think anyone can disagree that like it or not, the sport of soccer has enjoyed a huge good old Aussie bandwagon boost as a result of A-League.

Maybe we'll see players switching codes in the future? Perhaps playing in both to stay fit as cricketers once did which gave birth to Aussie Rules in the early 1900s.

Edited for accuracy! :D

[vinnie]

Roddy,

Don't forget, soccer traiing tonight 7.15pm. Burke Road. Ask for Vinnie.

You claimed soccer was a soft sport so we're going to give you a run with the boys so you can make up your own mind and report back to this forum tomorow morning. We reckon you're actually a nerdy weedy boy hiding away in cyberspace so we look forward to you showing up.

If you don't show Theo, Johnny A, Willy the Scot and I will track you down and kit you up and drag you onto the soccer pitch.

Be a man.

[Roddy]

Oh Damn!!! Oh sh*t!!!!! Oh blast!!!!! It's nearly 8.30, so I musta missed it!!! I had to come home from my nerdy, weedy work and watch my grass grow.
Bit relieved though! You big tough soccer blokes probably woulda got stuck right into me at training. (actually it's not the training I was worried about, it's that trip to the showers post-training that you mentioned that was concerning me!)
Give my sincerest apologies to Theo and Willy!!!

[GALON]

Don't know why people would enter this thread just to bag soccer and it's rise.

I happen to really enjoy the game. Watching and playing( on a social level, not competitively).

I think it's great for Victoria and Australia in general that we've gotten right behind the Victory and the Socceroos. I had so many late nights during the World Cup and was truly gutted when we went down to the Italians.

Like many here I once thought it was a ridiculously boring and soft game.
I was wrong on both counts.

[kolchak]

Roddy,

Don't forget, soccer traiing tonight 7.15pm. Burke Road. Ask for Vinnie.

You claimed soccer was a soft sport so we're going to give you a run with the boys so you can make up your own mind and report back to this forum tomorow morning. We reckon you're actually a nerdy weedy boy hiding away in cyberspace so we look forward to you showing up.

If you don't show Theo, Johnny A, Willy the Scot and I will track you down and kit you up and drag you onto the soccer pitch.

Be a man.


Sounds like you're just gonna beat the crap out of him.