View Full Version : Jon Lord quits Deep Purple
TheButcher
19 Mar 2002, 14:43
just confirmed by Deep Purple's Roger Glover is that Jon Lord has left the band.
It seems that Jon's appearance at the UK Hammersmith show from last month was his last show.
I am told he will not be touring Russia with Deep Purple next week and has been replaced by Don Airey. But more than that, I am told Jon is finished with touring and the band!
A picture of the new line up can be seen here: www.thehighwaystar.com
Call it quits Paicey. It's over! Don't let its slide even further.
It can't be called Deep Purple anymore. A Morse-Airey jam is NOT the same as a Blackmore-Lord jam.
It's been steadily downhill since 1993, but if they seriously decide to continue after Lord's departure, the band will be a crusty old shadow of itself, and a complete and utter joke.
No disrespect intended to Airey (or to Morse for that matter), as he has worked with many great metal bands, but Blackmore, Lord and Paice ARE Deep Purple, and with two of them now gone, it's simply not the same band.
Call it quits with dignity. Your retirement home needs you (in bed by 8).
The Hitman
20 Mar 2002, 04:25
Damn, cut down in their prime. :( ;)
The Hitman
TheButcher
20 Mar 2002, 08:45
Agree with you wholeheartedly Darko...whats next they get Joe Lynn back on vocals? Again no disrespect meant but it got very silly when Joe Lynn Turner was in Deep Purple. Great singer but taints the name.
Speaking of which i want to get this Hughes Turner Project album that was recently released.
Mooster7
20 Mar 2002, 18:47
Darky said it.
Docker_Brat
20 Mar 2002, 19:41
When is a band no longer a band?
Some bands can go one, others cannot. Deep Purple with one member is hardly the same. It is merely a tribute band.
If they lose most of the original members then they are guilty of false advertising IMO. I went and saw 'Sweet' in 1993, I was under the impression that it was the original members minus Brian Connolly, but it was merely Andy Scott and some fat mates. Although the music was pretty good, using the name of the original band is ripping off the fans.
Originally posted by Docker_Brat
When is a band no longer a band?
Some bands can go one, others cannot. Deep Purple with one member is hardly the same. It is merely a tribute band.
If they lose most of the original members then they are guilty of false advertising IMO.
Given that this is a RIP Deep Purple thread, I guess it' s ironic that I use Rainbow as an example of one constant band member keeping a band going single-handedly.
Admittedly it's a different kettle of fish when the band IS basically one person's creation, and one person's musical ideas. It's more or less been Ritchie Blackmore and whoever he didn't sack after the last album. :D
Dr AlfAndrews
21 Mar 2002, 08:55
Originally posted by Darky
... It's been steadily downhill since 1993 ...
Since about 1971, I reckon.
God, I hate Deep Purple.
Originally posted by Dr AlfAndrews
Since about 1971, I reckon.
God, I hate Deep Purple.
When I said 1993, I accidentally deleted my explanation that it was when Ritchie Blackmore left. By then, the music had already gone downhill, but Purple without Ritchie is, in my mind, not Deep Purple.
"About 1971" is a bit harsh though, I reckon. 1972 was the year of Machine Head which is probably their most consistent album, and one which many hard rock artists cite as a big influence, and I actually preferred the 1974-75 MK III line up with Coverdale & Hughes replacing Gillan & Glover. Burn and Stormbringer are two of my favourite Purple albums, especially the latter.
Deep Purple were ready to disband after Ritchie originally left in 1975 to form Rainbow, but Coverdale and Hughes were very keen to keep it going (much more so than Lord & Paice).
Jon Lord and Ritchie had a chat and Lordy was ready to have the band cash in their chips, but Ritchie said "well, why don't you just get another guitarist?"
This was done, and they recorded one (very ordinary) album with Tommy Bolin on guitar, but he overdosed and died, and the band called it quits in 1976.
They reformed in 1984 with Blackmore, Lord, Paice, Gillan & Glover re-creating the most popular line up (MK II) but it was very uninspiring, and many line-up changes followed.
I reckon fair enough that they tried to keep it going in 1976 by recruiting Bolin - it was worth a shot (pardon the pun) - but the band well and truly died with Blackmore's departure.
TheButcher
21 Mar 2002, 13:17
I actually really like Come Taste the Band with Coverdale Hughes and Bolin...unfortunately Bolin and Hughes were an absolute smacked off their heads..especially Bolin who was an absolute shambles live..Hardly classsic Deep Purple - a lot more funky with the Hughes influence gaining momentum
His Hughes Thrall album with Pat Trall is a bit of a gem ..as is Glenn Hughes contribution to the Phenomena albums..awesome voice..maybe he should have been the lead singer in Purple ahead of Dot Coverdale?
Originally posted by TheButcher
I actually really like Come Taste the Band with Coverdale Hughes and Bolin...unfortunately Bolin and Hughes were an absolute smacked off their heads..especially Bolin who was an absolute shambles live..Hardly classsic Deep Purple - a lot more funky with the Hughes influence gaining momentum
His Hughes Thrall album with Pat Trall is a bit of a gem ..as is Glenn Hughes contribution to the Phenomena albums..awesome voice..maybe he should have been the lead singer in Purple ahead of Dot Coverdale?
Like Frank Costanza on Seinfeld, I think smaller parts are best for Glenn Hughes - in Deep Purple anyway. The high pitched squealing would get anoying after a whole album I reckon, but that would be because the material demanded it.
Even with Gillan, there was a scream after every bloody second line... this isn't so much the case with Coverdale because his voice is so much deeper and throatier.
If Hughes had as many screams as Gillan, it would be downright annoying to me, so the odd verse here and there is about right. If it was mostly verse & chorus stuff without screaming, Hughes would be the best of the DP vocalists by a mile, so I agree with you there, Butcher.
Each to their own I guess.
TheButcher
22 Mar 2002, 06:45
GEORGE - Geroge Costanza god damn it Darko!!!
lol
Originally posted by TheButcher
GEORGE - Geroge Costanza god damn it Darko!!!
lol
LOL his dad Frank was my favourite character... I don't suppose ya know anyone that looks like Frank? :D
TheButcher
22 Mar 2002, 07:09
the high backing vocals on Burn! goddly!!!
actually Hughes has covered that song with lead vocals on one of his solo albums..and also does Strormbringer on another Purple Tribute i have..
TheButcher
22 Mar 2002, 07:12
DrAlf wrote: "God, I hate Deep Purple."
Well as a Collingwood supporter you have already proven you have absolutely no taste Alf so your opinion don't count !
Originally posted by Darky
When I said 1993, I accidentally deleted my explanation that it was when Ritchie Blackmore left. By then, the music had already gone downhill, but Purple without Ritchie is, in my mind, not Deep Purple.
Stormbringer was a very ordinary album. It was the beginning of the Glenn Hughes "funk" influence which was nothing like the DP direction. No wonder RB called it a day.
Originally posted by Darky
"About 1971" is a bit harsh though, I reckon. 1972 was the year of Machine Head which is probably their most consistent album, and one which many hard rock artists cite as a big influence, and I actually preferred the 1974-75 MK III line up with Coverdale & Hughes replacing Gillan & Glover. Burn and Stormbringer are two of my favourite Purple albums, especially the latter.
In Rock - was a groundbreaking album.
Fireball - was average.
Machine Head - One of the all time classic rock albums.
Live in Japan - still the best live album of all time.
Who do we think we are - patchy
Burn - Fantastic, they were back in the game
Stormbringer - average
Come taste the band - had some great moments
Originally posted by Darky
Deep Purple were ready to disband after Ritchie originally left in 1975 to form Rainbow, but Coverdale and Hughes were very keen to keep it going (much more so than Lord & Paice).
Jon Lord and Ritchie had a chat and Lordy was ready to have the band cash in their chips, but Ritchie said "well, why don't you just get another guitarist?"
This was done, and they recorded one (very ordinary) album with Tommy Bolin on guitar, but he overdosed and died, and the band called it quits in 1976.
They started that world tour off here in Australia. I saw them at Festival Hall.....they were very, very ordinary. It was inevitable that it would fall apart.
Originally posted by Darky
They reformed in 1984 with Blackmore, Lord, Paice, Gillan & Glover re-creating the most popular line up (MK II) but it was very uninspiring, and many line-up changes followed.
I reckon fair enough that they tried to keep it going in 1976 by recruiting Bolin - it was worth a shot (pardon the pun) - but the band well and truly died with Blackmore's departure.
Here is where you and I will disagree on the reformation of MKII, I thought Perfect Strangers was a very good album (it reminded me of parts of the Rainbow Rising album), and the band's live performance was excellent.
I don't know about Tommy Bolin though, if you've ever heard his two solo albums then that would tell you that his style was not really suited to DP. I would suggest that he was bought into the band due to Glenn Hughes and himself having a "common interest" *wink* *wink*.
Unfortunately MKII's original demons (Blackmore and Gillan's absolute hatred for each other) resurfaced, and Gillan had to make way for that wa nker Joe Lyn Turner.
Originally posted by roofus
Stormbringer was a very ordinary album. It was the beginning of the Glenn Hughes "funk" influence which was nothing like the DP direction. No wonder RB called it a day.
I really liked the subtle playing on that album and thought it was among Blackmore's best stuff... he absolutely hated that album and it is the reason he left the band. HOLY MAN, HOLD ON and LADY DOUBLE DEALER are great songs in my opinion, and I love trying to play along to those whenever I get a chance.
Originally posted by roofus
Here is where you and I will disagree on the reformation of MKII, I thought Perfect Strangers was a very good album (it reminded me of parts of the Rainbow Rising album), and the band's live performance was excellent.
I won't argue their live stuff was fantastic... but I think the material after the reformation varied between patchy and dull. Perfect Strangers if anything was saved by an absolute killer title track.... that and The Battle Rages On were IMHO the only two worthwhile albums after their 1984 reformation.
Originally posted by roofus
I don't know about Tommy Bolin though, if you've ever heard his two solo albums then that would tell you that his style was not really suited to DP. I would suggest that he was bought into the band due to Glenn Hughes and himself having a "common interest" *wink* *wink*.
I agree. His style didn't suit the monolithic dinosaur style of bonzoid rock riffs the likes of Blackmore, Iommi and Page brought into the world. Good guitar player, wrong band. I am of the same opinion about Steve Morse. I reviewed the March 2001 Deep Purple gig on here and pretty much said the same thing...
Also, apparently Bolin was so off his face during his days in the band, that his fingers gave up on him, and he could only play slide!
The MK III line up with Coverdale, Hughes and Blackmore remains my favourite, so I won't have many bad things to say about Glenn Hughes.
Originally posted by roofus
Unfortunately MKII's original demons (Blackmore and Gillan's absolute hatred for each other) resurfaced, and Gillan had to make way for that wa nker Joe Lyn Turner.
Joe Lynn Turner is a great singer, but like Morse and Bolin just wasn't right for Deep Purple. He was fantastic when Blackmore took Rainbow into a Foreigner-Journey-Aerosmith type direction in the early 1980s... his voice is great for that sort of stuff... maybe not for reproducing the early Rainbow and Deep Purple stuff though. I wouldn't call him a wa nker though :( He did a great job for Rainbow and his recommendation to Deep Purple by Blackmore was a mistake, but that's not to say he's a bad singer - just the wrong one. Did a good job with Yngwie Malmsteen too.
Interestingly, IMHO one of the best versions of Smoke on the Water is by JLT in a 1982 Rainbow gig I have on video. Makes it a bit more interesting to have someone other than Gillan singing it every now and then.
Good to discuss things rationally with people for a change. Difference of opinion should encourage discussion as long as it's civil. Onya Roofus. :)
Originally posted by Darky in the Kangaroos forum
Roger Glover is the luckiest man in rock'n'roll.[QUOTE]
Anyone who has been a part of the success of any band is lucky.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darky
He's survived off the talents of Blackmore, Lord,paice and Gillan by playing the same basic bass lines for 30 f*cking years. It's all he's ever had to do, so I can't blame him for accepting the gig, but to suggest he's an intergral part of Deep Purple is laughable.[QUOTE]
The most integral part of any band is the rhythm section. If that doesn't "click" then forget it.
Glover and Paice are the backbone of DP, sure anyone can play the songs, they are not that difficult but it's the "feel" and the "knowing" of what each member is going to do next that makes the difference when these two guys are together.
The other thing that is almost just as important is the amount of "say" Roger Glover has when it comes to the band's production on their records.
Roger Glover is a successful record producer, he's been doing it for years (learnt his trade by working next to Martin Birch), ask Blackmore why he bought him in to produce some Rainbow albums.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darky
Gillan is losing his vocal ability FAST! Quite a rapid decline over the last 8-10 years, can't hold the high notes anymore and those lungs start to give up when you're nearing 60.[QUOTE]
Yes well that tends to be the fate of many rock singers once they hit 40. It has to do with physiology more than anything. It's much easier to have nimble fingers.
David Coverdale is a shining example of someone who can't do what he used to do, don't know if you've heard any boots from the Whitesnake farewell tour but he just couldn't hit those high notes anymore...down low, no problemo.
I think it's a bit unfair though to can Gillan because he can't do what he used to do. It's not as though it's deliberate on his part.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darky
Paicey is a miracle of nature! Still a flurry of arms and legs even in his old age, the equal of any drummer around.[QUOTE]
Age shall not weary them..........
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darky
Airey & Morse are good musicians who are just out of place and in the wrong band.
Airey is probably about the only replacement of that era that I can think of who could step into the keyboard slot. He tends to play synths more than straight Hammond stuff but he does have the chops required.
Steve Morse on the other hand is more than just a "good musician". I don't know if you've heard of or seen his old band The Dixi Dregs but they were awesome. They could play ANY music from any genre and you think that they'd being playing that particular style all of their lives. I saw them in the states in '81 and left me gobsmacked.
Also SM's solo stuff is just stunning, if you want to see what he can really do have a listen. If I remember rightly he received a Grammy for an album called "Industry Standard" several years back.
My only beef with him though is that some of DP's songs don't have the "British" feel that came through on RB's playing. American's play a bit differently. Still, he's a monster player.
Americans DO play differently.. hard to put a finger on it, but I agree completely.
One of the bones I picked with Morse's playing at last years DP gig is that he tried to turn sombre blues numbers into heavy metal songs with constatnt guitar noodling. Yes he can play, but it was out of place.
Glover = lucky cnut.
I could play bass in Deep Purple, seriously mate. His role is to stand in the corner and be Roger Glover, and to wear an extremely silly beret once in a while to indicate that he has personality. His lyrical contributions to DP & Rainbow have included "Black Night" and "All Night Long" - two of the worst songs (lyrically) ever written... as for production, it's like Barassi coaching the 75-78 Roos... a monkey could have done it, such was the personnel.
Glover produced Judas Priest's Sin After Sin in 1977, but that sounds too high in treble and the bass is non-existent... a bit different when you don't have virtuoso musicians to work with (despite the talents of Halford and Tipton in that band).
And I wasn't bagging Gillan. Age is a natural decline, something he can't be blamed for... but if your voice IS deteriorating, and if it CAN'T hold up anymore, then you should give it up. Not his fault, but if he's past it, he's past it.
Not knocking Airey's playing at all (or Morse's for that matter) - but I can't see their jamming being the same as Lord and Blackmore going note for note. Do YOU reckon they'd be able to pull off 20 minute renditions of Wring That Neck? Not that they would play that live after all these years, but I doubt it. :(
Originally posted by Darky
Americans DO play differently.. hard to put a finger on it, but I agree completely.[QUOTE]
It's cos' they don't start out in pubs like British and Australian musicians do for a start.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darky
I could play bass in Deep Purple, seriously mate.
[QUOTE]
I'm sure you or anyone could, but it's more than just "the notes" that matter. I hate "virtuoso" bass players in straight ahead rock bands....that's what guitar players are for. :)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darky
His role is to stand in the corner and be Roger Glover, and to wear an extremely silly beret once in a while to indicate that he has personality. His lyrical contributions to DP & Rainbow have included "Black Night" and "All Night Long" - two of the worst songs (lyrically) ever written...
[QUOTE]
Black Night? ......that's sacrilige......a classic air guitar song.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darky
Not knocking Airey's playing at all (or Morse's for that matter) - but I can't see their jamming being the same as Lord and Blackmore going note for note. Do YOU reckon they'd be able to pull off 20 minute renditions of Wring That Neck? Not that they would play that live after all these years, but I doubt it. :(
I think they'll try something similar, mind you the days of 20 minute solos are long gone and just tend to bore audiences regardless of who is up on stage.
Btw......you haven't answered my trivia question from the roos forum!
Originally posted by roofus
mind you the days of 20 minute solos are long gone and just tend to bore audiences regardless of who is up on stage.
Not in my f*ckin' house! :D
Originally posted by roofus
Btw....you haven't answered my trivia question from the roos forum!
Still thinking... but I don't reckon it's one of the regular members. Guest performance perhaps?
Originally posted by Darky
Not in my f*ckin' house! :D
likewise :)
Originally posted by Darky
Still thinking... but I don't reckon it's one of the regular members. Guest performance perhaps?
You've lost the plot ;)
Here is the question again but I'll add another artist to give you a bit more of a clue.....
Who was the Australian musician who played in Rainbow, Black Sabbath, and Ozzy Osbourne's band, and what was the name of the well known Australian rock band (at the time) that he played in?
The first part should not be hard if you do a bit of homework....but the second part, well....you really have to know your oz rock history for that one :)
Originally posted by roofus
likewise :)
You've lost the plot ;)
Here is the question again but I'll add another artist to give you a bit more of a clue.....
Who was the Australian musician who played in Rainbow, Black Sabbath, and Ozzy Osbourne's band, and what was the name of the well known Australian rock band (at the time) that he played in?
The first part should not be hard if you do a bit of homework....but the second part, well....you really have to know your oz rock history for that one :)
I did a bit of website research and of the 29 members of Black Sabbath from 1969-2002, none had Australian links that I could find. You've got me stumped.
Originally posted by Darky
I did a bit of website research and of the 29 members of Black Sabbath from 1969-2002, none had Australian links that I could find. You've got me stumped.
Bob Daisley - Bass
He was a member of a band that came out of Sydney called Kahvas Jute. They recorded an album in 1971 called Wide Open which has become a bit of a collectors item (I've got a copy *grin*).
Daisley's bass style in those days was very similar to Jack Bruce's style when he was in Cream (the greatest band of all!).
The band went and toured the UK but as with most Oz bands of the time, though respected, didn't get the support they deserved and so ended up in obscurity.
I saw them a couple of times when they came to Melbourne and they were excellent.
Bob Daisley stayed in the UK and the rest is history. During the 80's he became the bass player replacement of choice for the worlds premier metal bands.
As a side note to this, Dennis Wilson one of the two guitarists in Kahvas Jute, was approached to join The James Gang after Joe Walsh left but declined. The last time I saw him was when he came back to Oz and joined Swanee in the mid - late 80's.
Any more obscure trivia....just ask ;)
TheButcher
3 Apr 2002, 08:58
Im actually freinds with Bob Daisley he lived in Sydney again for a time there recently...when he was doing Mothers Army with Joe Lynn, Jeff Watson and Carmine Appice..
Rainbow's Graham Bonnet also lived in Adelaide for a while as well...and was married to a most beautiful Adelaide girl..although I hear thats over now..
Originally posted by TheButcher
Im actually freinds with Bob Daisley
I saw Karvas Jute a few times before they went overseas. Bob Daisley used to play a lot like Jack Bruce back then....even used an EB3 bass like JB.
He's certainly been one of the most sucessful Australian rock musicians of all time but a complete unknown to most people in this country I suspect.
The Hippie
8 Apr 2002, 01:41
Bob Daisly's played with Ozzy Osbourne and Gary Moore for a time as well, I thought the name rang a bell when I first read it. Still have a couple of old vid's with him playing with those 2 bands.
You're right, roofus, I never had a clue he was Australian.
Bob Daisley was also in Uriah Heep for a while. Had no clue he had Australian connections, and I'm pretty sure the Black Sabbath (official) website says he was born in the UK.
Originally posted by Darky
Bob Daisley was also in Uriah Heep for a while. Had no clue he had Australian connections, and I'm pretty sure the Black Sabbath (official) website says he was born in the UK.
ummmmm.....look again
http://www.black-sabbath.com/personnel/daisley.html
Originally posted by roofus
ummmmm.....look again
http://www.black-sabbath.com/personnel/daisley.html
:o
Bloody hell! Internet + beer = not a good mix!
The Hippie
9 Apr 2002, 23:48
Originally posted by roofus
ummmmm.....look again
http://www.black-sabbath.com/personnel/daisley.html
I just had a look at the other bands he played with, bugger me, Mungo Jerry!!! I can remember their song, In the Summertime, from the 70's. Now that is scary. :eek:
Originally posted by Darky
:o
Bloody hell! Internet + beer = not a good mix!
yep.....you forgot the pizza that was your problem.