17. Setanta O'hAilpin - whippersnipper

[Jeremias]

This thread is to discuss Setanta O'hAilpin.

It will be used throughout the season for everyone, and will be the home for his buddy poster.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Great first up NAB effort. He took a great mark and his disposal was much improved. The thing that impressed me the most though, was his ability to use his body when he is behind, without giving away the free kick. Opponents can not back into him and shift him off the flight of the ball very easily, that is for sure.

[Muji]

One of my fav players alongside of Murph, Tex and Hammo. GUN!

[AndyWalkersGirl]

my future husband.

[HBF]

my future husband.

Time for a name change AWG! :cool:

[whippersnipper]

Outstanding effort from Carlos tonight. Appears to have adapted to the new defensive conduct very well, which is a huge plus. Didnt appear to have a lot of the ball, but restricted Thomspon to one goal and positioned himself well.

[Muji]

One of my fav players and I just love the way he reads the play and position himself, he was unlucky to give a few free-kicks tonight, will be a gun in 2 years.

[The Grover]

I reckon his kicking is becoming quite good, he seems to take a bit longer to get the ball to boot than most, but when he is not under pressure he hits the target well.

The key with him is to use the handball option when under pressure.

I think he'll be the best full-back in the AFL within 3 years.

[AndyWalkersGirl]

He has been one of the highlights for us this season - his kicking has improved dramatically, as has his confidence. The determination to do well has always been there, but now he has a developing ability to go with that.

His dual with Lloyd two weeks ago was a great thing to watch. Not to mention his massive dummy around Lloyd.

His speed is great, his athleticism is great and his footy knowledge is developing rather quickly when you think about where he was this time last year, and now he's holding down FB :thumbsu:

Looking forward to a big game tonight up against J. Brown :)

[TheGeneral]

Jonathon Brown is a gun but had a stack of quality delivery that was laces out.

9 disposals - 5 kicks, 4 marks, 1 inside 50, 2 tackles, 6 spoils, 1 critical error.

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Looks alright big Sentana.. Has the pace but if he works on his tactical game and a bit more on his kicking skills, can hold down full back for many years..

[The Sultan]

have been impressed with Irish could be a good backman for many years to come, one of the good this is he likes to get physical, didn't back down from gehrig and had Lloyd soiling himself.

[marcmurphy3]

Sentanta gave gehrig way to much space last night. Was pretty dissapointed with his effort although the other defenders didn't give him much support.

[Blues_Man]

FFS Setanta stay on your man !!! worst game from the Irishman to date ..the latitude he was giving Gherig was just ridiculous . :mad:

[[ToTTi]]

Probably did give Fraser too much space, but least he has a crack. Still got a lot to learn though which can obviously be expected, such as in the first quarter allowing Dal Santo to waltz into an open goal with Houlihan labouring behind him. Should have attacked him!!!!

[whippersnipper]

*BUMP*

Seeing as the thread has my name on it, I felt like I should do something.

:D

[[ToTTi]]

Will be the best player in the AFL within 18 months! :D:D

[blue_richo]

Great first up NAB effort. He took a great mark and his disposal was much improved. The thing that impressed me the most though, was his ability to use his body when he is behind, without giving away the free kick. Opponents can not back into him and shift him off the flight of the ball very easily, that is for sure.
God Bless the Irishman! how about the passion in the man. I love how he Loves kicking a goal.. He is just getting better and better, next year i bet he steps up even more. Fair enough he makes a few mistakes but so does everyone else. Go the Irishman

[over the top]

he is way more advanced and developed than jim stynes was at the same stage of his career. stynes played like VFA for prahran the 2nd year he was out and played a further 2 seasons IIRC with them then came to the AFL. so does this mean setanta is a shoe-in for the brownlow?

[murphy3]

interesting fact i heard today -

Setanta has kicked 13 goals 3

(obviously doesnt take into account the ones he has kicked out on the full:p)

but good on him

[Kaz Wilson]

Work Horse And Coming Along Very Nicely, Can't Wait To See Him Next Year, Apparently They Say His Bruvah Is Better

[FevJunior]

One of my fav players alongside of Murph, Tex and Hammo. GUN!
Muji, i agree satanta is a gun no dought:thumbsu::thumbsu:

[FevJunior]

Work Horse And Coming Along Very Nicely, Can't Wait To See Him Next Year, Apparently They Say His Bruvah Is Better
its true hes taller but might take the ruck position

[FevJunior]

interesting fact i heard today -

Setanta has kicked 13 goals 3

(obviously doesnt take into account the ones he has kicked out on the full:p)

but good on him
murphy3 yeah!!!
you gotta admit thats a pretty good effort for a backman:thumbsu:

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Righto, Im Carlos' buddy for the 08 season

Wikipedia (unreliable I know lol, but it loads way faster on my crappy computer than the new Carlton site), lists his height at 199cm, at 96 kg. (im assuming he's lighter now after trying to lose weight this pre-season). He's 25, made his debut in Rnd 7 of 2005, and has kicked 16 goals in 35 games. Feel free to update these stats if you can find more reliable info

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Rnd 1 he didn't do much. As far as i could tell he had short stints in both the ruck and forwardline. He finished with 7 disposals, 9 hitouts and a goal.
Some things I noticed were that he was more impressive in his short stints in the ruck than Cloke imo. Setanta was getting some real good leaps, and actually tried to tap it to our advantage relatively successfully
Another thing I noticed was that considering he learned the game late, he has a pretty good kicking at goal action. His goal was a nice shot from around 50 on a 45 degree angle (if i remember correctly), and it was never missing. Also had another shot later in the game which came off relatively sweet but I think it ended up landing short

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

A question of interest for other Blues' fans, what do you think about Setanta's future with the Blues? He's very mobile and agile for his size, but is he doing enough to be an AFL listed player? Would he be getting a game for any other team in the comp? I was thinking before, although he has improved out of site, has he/will he improve enough to be good enough for AFL level? With the emergence of Jamison it seems like Setanta doesn't quite have a position now with Waite, Jammo, Bower and Thornton down back. If our backline holds up, I'd like to see Carlos as a forward. As stated above, he has a good kick on him, and is very agile for his size

[Dima]

Rnd 1 he didn't do much. As far as i could tell he had short stints in both the ruck and forwardline. He finished with 7 disposals, 9 hitouts and a goal.
Some things I noticed were that he was more impressive in his short stints in the ruck than Cloke imo. Setanta was getting some real good leaps, and actually tried to tap it to our advantage relatively successfully
Another thing I noticed was that considering he learned the game late, he has a pretty good kicking at goal action. His goal was a nice shot from around 50 on a 45 degree angle (if i remember correctly), and it was never missing. Also had another shot later in the game which came off relatively sweet but I think it ended up landing short

I agree that he is a good kick for goal, particularly from the 45-50 metre area, however I don't think that he did well in the ruck. I remember a couple of plays in particular that he hit it to the direct advantage of a Richmond player with no Carlton player in sight, one was a centre bounce and one was in our forward 50.

[Staaar_Blue]

Righto, Im Carlos' buddy for the 08 season

Wikipedia (unreliable I know lol, but it loads way faster on my crappy computer than the new Carlton site), lists his height at 199cm, at 96 kg. (im assuming he's lighter now after trying to lose weight this pre-season). He's 25, made his debut in Rnd 7 of 2005, and has kicked 16 goals in 35 games. Feel free to update these stats if you can find more reliable info

I would like to know if anyone knows the reason why he has lost weight? I am quite frustrated as I have no knowledge of the true reasons for his loss of weight and why he has not been played in the back line?

[FevJunior]

i reccon that setanta is a gun but he need s to use his height and strength more

[ImLuvinAisake]

my future husband.
Lol... Would'nt Blame You... The O'hAilpíns Are Hawt!!
You Can Have Setanta And I'll Take Aisake!!...

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

I would like to know if anyone knows the reason why he has lost weight? I am quite frustrated as I have no knowledge of the true reasons for his loss of weight and why he has not been played in the back line?

The rumours were that he lost 16kg odd because he had Ross River Fever (or whatever its called), but the CFC squashed those rumours at the Season Launch. As far as I can tell, he just wanted to lose a bit of weight to be more mobile around the ground? As far has why he wasn't played in the backline, I believe it's because of the emergence of Jamison and Waite being played at CHB. With Jammo at FB, Waite CHB, and Thornton and Bower also in the defence, it doesn't seem like Carlos will be needed there anymore. Hence why I think he'll be used more as a forward/utility type of player this year if Jammo can continue showing good signs

[setanta17]

is this saying he wont get a game this year?
but i really still think we could be a handy backmen.

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

^ I think for now he'll be in our starting 22 for at least the first half of the year. It just depends how he goes, where he plays etc. It's all just guesswork for now and personal opinion

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

ok round 2 vs the saints

9 disposals, 5 marks. ordinary game, Jamison was a late withdrawal so Setanta played on Gehrig for all of it i think, and Gehrig booted 4 goals 1 behind, from 6 possessions. Carlos did some good things, eg some good one - on - one spoils, but in the end Gehrig, as most of us would have predicted, was just too good for him

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Setanta dropped for Round 3. In: Jamison, Out: O'hailpin. I did say i thought his position was in jepardy, but i thought he'd be safe for at least half the year. he'll have to work hard to get back in the team. i don't really know where he'll slot back in though. it looks like kreuzer is preferred as our 3rd forward with him replacing edwards, then there's hartlett. so way i see it, o'hailpin is next in line for a defensive call-up and 2 spots away from getting a game in the forwardline

Thoughts on Setanta's role for '08 now?

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Rnd 4 Stats: 6 kicks, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 3 free kicks against, 1 goal

He started off real well kicking our first goal and having a hand in another, but after that he was pretty much unseen. Real concerns over his future in our side imo

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Apparantly on Footy Classified tonight (we don't get it in Sydney, so im basing this on what i've read on this site), Ratten said that Carlos will be playing forward from now on. So it's as expected, Jamison has pushed Setanta out of his spot in the defence. At least now we have an idea of Carlos' future - he has to battle it out with Edwards and Hartlett for the 3rd forward spot. Should be interesting to see how he goes, showed some good signs in the first quarter against the Pies

[NWTYRX]

Should be interesting to see how he goes, showed some good signs in the first quarter against the Pies

That he did, but then went AWOL for the next 3 quarters

[Blueboys7]

IMO he has had his chance i cant see him improving much more? How will he improve from this point?

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

^ I think he has more improvement in him, ie consistency throughout the whole game, but the question is, do we wanna spend more time developing Carlos, or do we wanna give a kid like Edwards whose shown plenty of promise more experience and gametime. Hartlett will also be there crying out for a chance. I for one would probably rather be playing Edwards than Setanta at this point in time

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Rnd 5: 6 possessions, 4 marks, 1 goal (a gimme from Judd), 2 behinds (1 poster).

His spot in the side is in serious jeopardy. With Hartlett performing well in the VFL and at training, most people seem to think he should replace Setanta this round

[THEBLOODS85]

By the time Setanta learns the intricates of our game fully(Aussie Rules) he will be 30 and even then probably not up to it as a key position player.

His best shot to suceed and survive in our game is as a follower/ruckman type.....the Jimmy Stynes type.

He does not seem to read the play well as a lead up forward......he tends to get lost in transition and also flies to often with Fev or Fish.

These Irish blokes love to run and show their flare, they love taking the game on.......so for mine a pinch hit second string ruck role is about it for Setanta.............but that spot is looking solid at the moment with Cloke and Kreuz doing well and Hampson sitting in the wings.

He has done a remarkable job to get where he is from the background he came from.........I seriously hope I am wrong, but for mine there seems to be little improvement left in big Carlos.

We either work within his limitations or give young blokes like Edwards & Hartlett the chance to work on their games that have more upside for mine.

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

By the time Setanta learns the intricates of our game fully(Aussie Rules) he will be 30 and even then probably not up to it as a key position player.

His best shot to suceed and survive in our game is as a follower/ruckman type.....the Jimmy Stynes type.

He does not seem to read the play well as a lead up forward......he tends to get lost in transition and also flies to often with Fev or Fish.

These Irish blokes love to run and show their flare, they love taking the game on.......so for mine a pinch hit second string ruck role is about it for Setanta.............but that spot is looking solid at the moment with Cloke and Kreuz doing well and Hampson sitting in the wings.

He has done a remarkable job to get where he is from the background he came from.........I seriously hope I am wrong, but for mine there seems to be little improvement left in big Carlos.

We either work within his limitations or give young blokes like Edwards & Hartlett the chance to work on their games that have more upside for mine.

I kind of agree with that. He's done well to improve as much as he has, but in the end I think we're gonna find more upside im some younger kids. Carlos has improved out of sight, but the fact is, he still isn't up to AFL level yet. Doubt he'd get a game for any team but Melbourne. And as you said, by the time he's an accomplished footballer, he'll probably be an average one at best, who will be in the latter part of his career

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

BTW as expected Setanta was replaced by Hartlett for Round 6. I don't get to watch Bullants games, so I can't really comment, but based on some BigFooty comments it appears Carlos had an average game at best. Played in defense too

Now that Hartlett is injured it'll be interesting to see who replaces him. It'll probably be between Setanta or Edwards - both played poor games in the Bullants this week though. Another alternative may be that Hampson comes in and Kreuzer plays as a forward

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 7 stats: 15 possessions, 4 marks, 3 free kicks against

He played in defense most of the time, if i remember correctly he started on Lynch, then moved onto Chad Jones. Got beaten both times in my opinion. I thought he only had an average game at best, but there appears to be mixed opinions on the Carlton board. Some people think he was awsome, others, including me, thought he was only OK

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 8: 12 possessions, 2 free kicks against

I didn't see the game, but as far as I can tell, he had a decent game, being moved onto J. Brown after he kicked 3 first quarter goals against Jarrad Waite. From that point on, Brown only kicked 3 goals in 3 quarters against Setanta, which seems like a decent effort

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 9: 19 possessions, 4 marks, 1 free kick against

Once again, didn't see or hear most of the game, but as far as I can tell he had Pavlich the whole game. He started off poorly by giving a free kick away to Pav in Freo's forward 50 before the siren even sounded to start the game (he apparantly gave Pav a slight bump, who then took a dive). And then gave away 50 metres for "backchatting" although I head it on the radio and he barely said anything at all. It was quite funny hearing his Irish accent too lol. Anyways, Pav then slotted through the goal from the goalsquare

The game then finally started, and from that point he held Pavlich to 3 goals for the rest of the game, with Pav ending up kicking 4 goals 2 from 16 possessions and 8 marks. I think i even heard that up until halftime or 3 qtr time (I forget which one), he had held Pav to only 5 possessions (?), with Pav having to play far up the ground to get some touches. So all in all I thought Setanta had a pretty good game against one of the games best forwards, although if Pav had kicked better (he missed 2 relatively easy, but very important shots, in the final quarter, including hitting the post when he shot at goal from pretty much directly infront, 30odd meters out, and which would have probably won Freo the game) it would have made Carlos' game look a lot worse

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 10 stats: 18 possessions, 4 marks

He played on the out of form Tom Hawkins and rendered him useless. Hawkins had 6 possessions, 0 goals, and had no effect in the game whatsover. Has been dropped this week. So well done to Setanta for a good defensive display. He's also been racking up the possies of late with our game style, although I have to say a lot of them aren't effective. His kicking seems to have improved though, although he does have a funny kicking style

With Bower out for most of the season and Jamo still a few weeks away, Setanta has a big role to play in the upcoming weeks. He'll have to take possibly the best or 2nd best forward depending on the match ups, and will be a key defender for us for the next few weeks. With our next month against Port, Pies, Bombers and Tigers, we have a huge chance to rack up some wins before our horror run home, and Carlos will play an important part with possible matchups on the likes of Rocca, Lloyd, Richo and Tredrea. This is his chance to consolidate his spot in our team as a key defender

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 11 stats: 9 possessions

I have to admit, only managed to listen to half the game so I don't have much of a review for him

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 12 stats: 16 possessions, 5 marks

I did however manage to watch this game today, and can tell you that IMO Setanta was awesome! Played on Travis Cloke the whole day and definately won the contest IMO. Held Travis to just 1 goal (a lucky one on the run from 50m out, 5 meters out from the boundary). Travis had 17 possessions, so whilst Carlos didn't smash Cloke, he still beat him.

And with Carlos winning that contest, it allowed Ratten to use Waite as a forward for parts of the game, and Waite then had a big impact on the final result. So Setanta holding is own was a very important aspect of the Blues winning today IMO. If he hadn't of been able to beat Cloke, Waite wouldn't have been able to move forward

And for those who don't think Setanta's kicking is any good, he's hitting most of his targets regularly. It's more his knowledge of the game that affects him IMO. Sometimes he's not aware of his surroundings or has poor decision-making. If he had grown up following AFL, with his physical characteristics I think he could have been an excellent AFL footballer

FWIW, Carlos has had a very solid last month, and has done a good job of stepping up when the likes of Jamison, Waite, Thornton, and now Bower have been out at different times during the season. As well as holding his opponent, he's also starting to accumulate some pretty decent numbers in the disposal department

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Rnd 13: 4 possessions

Don't know much bout this game. Think I heard he played on Lucas, which if is the case, did pretty well (Lucas had 8 possesssions, 1 goal 3 behinds, with his shots all coming from tough positions, indicating another win to Setanta)

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Rnd 14: 8 possessions

Had an OK game. Got completely towelled up by Cleve Hughes in the 2nd quarter where Hughes kicked 3 goals for the quarter, and resulted in Setanta being replaced by Jamison

He also had a goal assist for the first goal of the game where he kicked to Fisher

[TOPBLUE_25]

Is he injured at the moment?

[Trueblueroo]

Yeah he is....

[TOPBLUE_25]

ok thanks