28. Cameron Cloke

[Jeremias]

This thread is to discuss Cameron Cloke.

It will be used throughout the season for everyone, and will be the home for his buddy poster.

[Bluebear]

Where's Cam's buddy.
I would have thought after his pre-season form that he would have got a write up. Some great marking around the ground, tap work that ranged from average to SENSATIONAL - especially in the fianl with Stevo getting great service (love the little flick over the back).

Needs to improve his field and goal kicking but it may be nerves to an extent.
Was not happy when we took him, but an wrapt now - good on you for making something of a second chance Cam.:thumbsu:

[Jeremias]

Cam has been a great pick up for us.

Doesn't have the height, but more than makes up for it with enthusiasm. His ruckwork has improved incredibly as of late.

Is our number 1 ruckman IMO-I'm more impressed with him ATM than Ackland.

The only thing I can say that I am disappointed with regarding Cam is his goal kicking-seems to let himself down, and undoes a lot of his good work.

Has a lot of passion, which is clear to see as he doesn't shy out of contests on the field-that is for sure.

His backwards tap to Stevo in the NAB Cup grand final was simply brilliant.

Hopefully he keeps up the good work which he has shown. Brilliant recruiting by the Blues-very low risk, possible huge reward.

[Jeremias]

I have to say that one of my highlights from todays great win came from Cam Cloke.

Pretty sure it was in the last quarter, near the centre of the ground-Cam got absolutely CRUNCHED-I thought he was out cold immediately-looked very very proppy for a long time.

BUT he didn't give up-trainers around him, he got up off his feet and tried to run to the ball and stop the Essendon players from entering the ball into the forward 50. He couldn't really do it, but just to see him get up after such a hit, was so satisfying for me, and as I said one of the highlights of my day.

The heart and passion he showed was fantastic-Well done Cam.

[big_bad_blue]

he is showing allot of passion.
he may never be the best ruckman in the league but if he shows that passion and continues to give 100% what more can you ask for.
Should end up being a great second ruckman to Hampson :)

[TheGeneral]

Huge heart but.........

10 disposals - 8 kicks, 4 marks, 2 I50, 2 tackles, 2 spoils, 4 FF - he attacks the ball :) , 1 FA, 14 hit outs, 2 first disposals, 2 clearances, 3 goals.

[[ToTTi]]

I was out watching the Socceroos play last night at a pub in the city, and old man Clokey (David?) was behind the bar, so I took the time to ask him about Cam.

He said he is doing well in his recovery and has returned to a bit of training, which is good to hear.


:thumbsu:

[NWTYRX]

If, by a bit of training means 1 on 1 kicking, then he's spot on :) :p

[Bluebear]

When asked today how the boys turned up Ratten made some comment about one of the guys who had surgery not presenting in the best of shape, but otherwise they were 99% happy with how everyone came back.

I wonder if he was talking about:

http://thesexysquad.com/gallery/albums/training/2008/oct_29_2007/50.jpg (javascript: window.close())

Maybe a bad angle but Cam isn't looking in the best shape here.:(

[In_My_Opinion]

This thread is to discuss Cameron Cloke.

It will be used throughout the season for everyone, and will be the home for his buddy poster.


He was blind on saturday night at One Bar after Cox Plate.
Was looking good in his grey suit.
He'll be right dw boys.

Juddy, we are a wokring progress stuck in nuetural for 3 years.
Once we heard u were cumin. We put the pout down. Slammed it in drive and HEAR WE FINALLY FKN COME .

BLUE BOYS

[blues4flag]

Maybe a bad angle but Cam isn't looking in the best shape here.:(

That's the understatement of the century. :eek:

I'm getting flashbacks of Lance.

[Optimax]

That's the understatement of the century. :eek:

I'm getting flashbacks of Lance.

I like cam and ive stated on this board earlier i would of kept him over richrads but that was his porblem at collingwood too, always overweight,yet so much talent.

[Bluebear]

I like cam and ive stated on this board earlier i would of kept him over richrads but that was his porblem at collingwood too, always overweight,yet so much talent.
I hope that shot above answers the question from the other thread.

Ratts indicated that maybe he wasn't 100% happy with how one of the players who had surgery presented...........Cam will need to work his butt off this year. Aisake i closing behind him and is a much better athlete, as is Hampson........and once those boys get some rucking under their belts Cam could find himself out of a job.

[Optimax]

I hope that shot above answers the question from the other thread.

Ratts indicated that maybe he wasn't 100% happy with how one of the players who had surgery presented...........Cam will need to work his butt off this year. Aisake i closing behind him and is a much better athlete, as is Hampson........and once those boys get some rucking under their belts Cam could find himself out of a job.

yeah it does, he definetly looks too pudgy. Hope he pulls his finger out but oike i said he always cam back to us looking like this too.

Hope he wakes up soon or Aisake? and hampson will be all over him especially if you guys take Kruezer only so many talls you can hve in one team

[bluegal1983]

He was blind on saturday night at One Bar after Cox Plate.

:eek::eek::eek: That place is still open??? :eek::eek::eek:

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

K im Cam's buddy for 2008. Blueseum lists him at 196cm, 98kg. Born on December 20, 1984. Wears the number 28 for us and made his debut for us in Rnd 1, 2007.We all know of his past injury problems, mainly to his shoulder, but hopefully he can play 22 games for us this year.

He had an average opening round in 2008 IMO. 14 possesions, 16 hitouts, 3 tackles, and 3 Free Kicks awarded. Champion Data rated him reasonably well. I thought his work around the ground was alright, but his tap work was pretty poor. I noticed that even when he had beaten his opponent hands down, and was in the perfect position, he still very rarely tapped it to our advantage. Hopefully he'll have a great 2008 and forget about his injury problems, but he'll definately struggle to hold the mantle of Number 1 Ruckman ahead of Hampson IMO

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 2 stats - 18 possessions, 9 marks, 7 hitouts...

Thought he had a pretty good game. Moved well around the ground, found the ball a lot, and used it pretty well. I'm still not happy with his tap work though. Only managed 7 hitouts comapred to Gardiner's 20 and King's 18

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Rnd 4 stats: 14 possessions, 5 marks, 15 hitouts, 3 tackles, 2 free kicks awarded

I thought he had another decent game today. Although Fraser probably was winning too many taps to advantage, Cloke got some good taps in there too. He was also good around the ground once again

There was an awsome moment during the game lol. Think it was 2nd quarter, Travis Cloke gave away a 50, so his brother Cameron got up in his face. Was hilarious I reckon. Some real brotherly love lol

[[ToTTi]]

I reckon he was very good today. I like him and think he adds quite a bit to the team.

You're right WBWDW it was funny as ____ when Cam gave his brother some lip after the 50m penalty!

[bluegal1983]

Rnd 4 stats: 14 possessions, 5 marks, 15 hitouts, 3 tackles, 2 free kicks awarded

I thought he had another decent game today. Although Fraser probably was winning too many taps to advantage, Cloke got some good taps in there too. He was also good around the ground once again

There was an awsome moment during the game lol. Think it was 2nd quarter, Travis Cloke gave away a 50, so his brother Cameron got up in his face. Was hilarious I reckon. Some real brotherly love lol

Saw that too! Good on ya Cam!!!

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 5 stats: 19 possessions, 10 marks, 7 hitouts

Another excellent game from Cam. He's playing awsome this year. As some people have said in other threads, I don't think he's ever played a bad game for this club (including last year before he got injured). He was once again very impressive on Sunday.

His tapwork still probably isn't good enough (White dominated Cloke and Kreuzer in the hitouts - White got 24), but Cloke's work around the ground made up for it

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 6: 14 possessions, 6 marks, 9 hitouts, 1 goal

I could only listen to the game on the radio, but the impression I got was that he had an excellent first half, but then, like most of our boys, faded out in the second half.

Once again his work around the ground was very good, but didn't accumulate enough hitouts, with a lighter, and less experienced ruckman in Griffin amassing a massive 35 hitouts, along with 13 possessions. I like Cloke, but he really shouldn't be getting beat so badly by someone like Griffin imo.

One interesting fact I read this week was that although Cloke probably doesn't get enough hitouts, he is ranked right up there in the league for Hitouts To Advantage. That's a real good effort I reckon, and frankly, surprises me a bit. If he can get more hitouts a game, with his high hitout to advantage percentage, it could really help the team

BTW, the goal he kicked was an absolute gem. Even won the coverted Mike and Dan Play of the Week :eek:;) Ball was bouncing around in our goalsquare amongst a pack of players, and Clokey just took a swipe and it sailed through

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 7 stats: 10 possessions, 9 hitouts, 1 goal

Bit of a quiet game for Clokey. Cox pretty much slaughtered both our ruckmen last night. 44 hitouts to 19. Cloke's movement around the ground is good enough, but week after week we are getting smashed in the hitouts. Someone's gotta find a way to get Cloke to jump higher lol

[Bluebear]

Bad luck for Cam with the Broken wrist.

It's HAMMER TIME!!;)

[DaveyBlues]

Hammer needs to become a roughneck like Jamie Charman so Clokey doesn't have 2 take all the beatings in the ruck. Cam to become pinch hitter, Hammer and Kreuz with the main duties. Not yet of course.

[Bluebear]

Hammer needs to become a roughneck like Jamie Charman so Clokey doesn't have 2 take all the beatings in the ruck. Cam to become pinch hitter, Hammer and Kreuz with the main duties. Not yet of course.
If you take the "beatings" out of Cam's ruck work........no offence to Cam.......but there aint much left.:confused:

Hampson just needs to step up a little. He is only in his second year so we are expecting too much, but hopefully he will play and take another little step against Charman and Leuenberger this Saturday night.:thumbsu:

Hope Cam gets well soon, we need his physicality in the middle.:thumbsu:

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 10 stats: 12 possessions, 7 marks, 9 hitouts, 1 goal

Started the game off very strongly. got About 4 or 5 possessions, including a bullet pass to Fev, that very few ruckmen are capable. Was low, hard, travelled about 30-40 metres, and left Scarlett no chance of stopping Fev marking it. It was a kick we see blokes like Murphy do so often. Ruckmen shouldn't be able to have those kicking skills - was very impressive

However, just like he seems to do most games now, he faded out of the game after about the first quarter and a half. To be fair, nobody was sighted in the 3rd quarter where we got slaughtered, but Cloke seems to be starting all his games off real well, and then disappearing a bit. Fitness issues maybe? Also have to take into consideration that it was his first game back from injury.

He played a bit more as a CHF. Did OK, but nothing special. His goal came from a nice pack mark in the goal square

[Bluebear]

Round 10 stats: 12 possessions, 7 marks, 9 hitouts, 1 goal

Started the game off very strongly. got About 4 or 5 possessions, including a bullet pass to Fev, that very few ruckmen are capable. Was low, hard, travelled about 30-40 metres, and left Scarlett no chance of stopping Fev marking it. It was a kick we see blokes like Murphy do so often. Ruckmen shouldn't be able to have those kicking skills - was very impressive

However, just like he seems to do most games now, he faded out of the game after about the first quarter and a half. To be fair, nobody was sighted in the 3rd quarter where we got slaughtered, but Cloke seems to be starting all his games off real well, and then disappearing a bit. Fitness issues maybe? Also have to take into consideration that it was his first game back from injury.

He played a bit more as a CHF. Did OK, but nothing special. His goal came from a nice pack mark in the goal square

Am I the only one who swore out loud when he made that pass? :D
Unbelievable.:thumbsu:

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Am I the only one who swore out loud when he made that pass? :D
Unbelievable.:thumbsu:

Lol! I am not kidding, I was sitting downstairs, at like 12am (thanks to the late night replays in Sydney :rolleyes:), by myself, when he kicked it, and I actually said "holy crap" in this surprised voice. I have a feeling we were 2 of many who would have swore out loud lol. Was very impressive :thumbsu:

[Bluebear]

Lol! I am not kidding, I was sitting downstairs, at like 12am (thanks to the late night replays in Sydney :rolleyes:), by myself, when he kicked it, and I actually said "holy crap" in this surprised voice. I have a feeling we were 2 of many who would have swore out loud lol. Was very impressive :thumbsu:
Pretty sure I said "____ me" under my breath.:o

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 11 stats: 18 possessions, 3 tackles, 8 hitouts

His work around the ground is very good, but still needs to increase his hitout numbers to be considered a better than average ruckman (which he could be if he can get his hands to the ruck contests first more often)

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 12 stats: 17 possessions, 16 hitouts!

Had another very solid game today against his old club. His work around the ground is excellent. He gets inbetween 15 and 20 possessions every game.

The best thing about his game today though was that he got 16 hitouts!!! For one of the first times this season, Carlton almost matched their opponents in the hitout department (collingwood beat us by 6). Kreuzer had 10 hitouts which helped our cause too.

Josh Fraser had 11 possessions and 10 hitouts, Bryan 6 possessions and 20 hitouts. So I think it's fair to say that Cloke easily won the ruck contest today.

Cloke did another one of his impressive 40 meter inside 50 kicks, hitting a player on the lead, today. I honestly think he would be one of the best kicks for a ruckman in the game

Watching the game I was very impressed with Cam. He's been a great pickup for us :thumbsu:

[Bluebear]

I don't mean to nit pick, as I think you do a good job......but I was wondering if you could also put the hitout to advantage if you can find it, usually given as a percentage.
Gives a more accurate picture of the effectiveness of the ruck.

I suspect not many of Bryan's h/o were to advantage.;)

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

I don't mean to nit pick, as I think you do a good job......but I was wondering if you could also put the hitout to advantage if you can find it, usually given as a percentage.
Gives a more accurate picture of the effectiveness of the ruck.

I suspect not many of Bryan's h/o were to advantage.;)

That's a good point actually. I have to admit, i'm relatively lazy at this, just getting the stats from GameDay Live and providing short reviews when we get footage of the game up here, but hitouts to advantage is definately an important stat for a ruckman. From now on I'll try and find it for yas :thumbsu:

[Bluebear]

That's a good point actually. I have to admit, i'm relatively lazy at this, just getting the stats from GameDay Live and providing short reviews when we get footage of the game up here, but hitouts to advantage is definately an important stat for a ruckman. From now on I'll try and find it for yas :thumbsu:

Cheers WillB.
I know The Age has it for the top 2 rucks in each side, as well as the team overall. Printed along the bottom of the stats. :thumbsu:

From memory this week:
Fraser - 9 h/o, none to advantage :D:o
Bryan - 20 h/o, 25% adv

Cloke - 16 h/o 30% adv
Kreuzer - 10 h/o 40% adv

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Cheers WillB.
I know The Age has it for the top 2 rucks in each side, as well as the team overall. Printed along the bottom of the stats. :thumbsu:

From memory this week:
Fraser - 9 h/o, none to advantage :D:o
Bryan - 20 h/o, 25% adv

Cloke - 16 h/o 30% adv
Kreuzer - 10 h/o 40% adv

Thanks. Do you reckon they would also be on the Age website match reports?

Also, what's a good hitout to advantage ratio? 30% sounds decent isn't it?

[Bluebear]

Thanks. Do you reckon they would also be on the Age website match reports?

Also, what's a good hitout to advantage ratio? 30% sounds decent isn't it?
I'm not sure it is on the website. You'd need to check.

It seems that around 25% is pretty good, some guys getting up to 30 odd percent.

Makes you wonder about the use of a good ruckman when a third of what he palms hits a target.

[Bluebear]

Blues - 27 (26% adv)
Cloke - 14 (21%)
Kreuzer - 13 (31%)

Dons - 51 (27%)
Hille - 37 (30%) - benchmark as a very good performance. :thumbsu:
Layjoke - 13 (23%)

[Five]

Hille's 22! possessions with 8 clearances of his own made for a humdinger of a performance.

I know Hille is 2" taller and 6k heavier than Clokey but they are both big boys and after a couple of good weeks I was disappointed that Clokey couldn't at least nullify him a bit more

A couple of Clokey's bullet-like long raking passes have been amazing lately

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 13: 10 possessions, 14 hitouts (sorry BB, I can't find Hitouts to Advantage on the Internet)

Cloke got completely towelled up by Hille who had 22 possessions, 37 hitouts, and 8 clearances. Hille was a major reason Essendon won and it was a shame Cloke couldn't really offer any stiff resistance

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Round 14: 7 possessions, 13 hitouts, 4 tackles, 1 goal (which occurred almost instantly when he was moved forward briefly to allow Fev a rest on the pine)

Had on average game. Once again our rucks got slaughtered in the hitouts (Simmonds had 26). I'd like to see Cloke have more short stints up forward as he seems to take a couple of deep pack marks. Would like to see him just sit in the goal square, and Fev can do his routine leads inside the 50, hopefully leaving Cloke one-on-one in the goal square. Either way we'll have 2 very strong forward options when the ball enters the 50