View Full Version : Who should handle the Crows kick ins?
Crow Envy
23 Feb 2007, 22:48
I think we all agree Mattner is not the man, Johncock has been the man but hopefully he spends sometime in the midfield. Besides he has been known for the odd clanger or two. So who should it be? Most probably our best kick in defence would be Mcleod, he is not likely to panic either. Suggestions?
Basset perhaps? Ben Rutten?
NikkiNoo
23 Feb 2007, 22:54
According to the coach Mattner will be still doing the kick ins over the next couple of weeks, but he will be given more information from the coaches as he was thrown in the deep end on the kick ins last week and this week. Well we know that he tends to sink if you throw him in, although he did seem to tread water towards the end. At least the boy doesn't drop his head and learns from his mistakes.
Kane McGoodwin
23 Feb 2007, 22:55
Stiffy. He won't play in the midfield.
macca23
23 Feb 2007, 22:56
Sensibly, it will be Stiffy.
Mattner?? Lawdy lawdy!! :eek:
NikkiNoo
23 Feb 2007, 22:58
But we have to have a back up if Stiffy isn't playing. Our side has to have more than one person able to handle a particular role, if we don't then we really are up the creek without a paddle. Can't have a one dimensional side these days.
I take it you are off the mattner train macca? ;)
Crow Envy
23 Feb 2007, 23:00
Basset perhaps? Ben Rutten?
Has Rutten ever been used for kick ins? He is a good kick and stays pretty calm (excusing the Ebert incident). Would be worth a punt, has to be better than Mattner.
NikkiNoo
23 Feb 2007, 23:03
Has Rutten ever been used for kick ins? He is a good kick and stays pretty calm (excusing the Ebert incident). Would be worth a punt, has to be better than Mattner.
But that's a case of robbing peter to pay paul as Rutten is often the player that the first kick in is to, especially on the 50m line with the opposition ruckman in close proximity due to his sure hands. I would prefer his disposal being used through the midfield or into the forward area.
Marty's brain fades are a cause for some concern.
Craigy may be right in the end, but IMHO Marty is best suited to the wing.
Vic Crow
23 Feb 2007, 23:58
But that's a case of robbing peter to pay paul as Rutten is often the player that the first kick in is to, especially on the 50m line with the opposition ruckman in close proximity due to his sure hands. I would prefer his disposal being used through the midfield or into the forward area.
Great point Nikki. I feel that Truck is our best kick in the backline, but he's often used further up the ground on those plays. I've never really felt terribly confident with Stiffy doing the kickouts to be honest, but I'm not sure what the answer is.
relapse
24 Feb 2007, 00:40
Mattner actually lost us the game.
That three point rushed behind that he stupidly conceeded was the difference in the end.
Has Rutten ever been used for kick ins? He is a good kick and stays pretty calm (excusing the Ebert incident). Would be worth a punt, has to be better than Mattner.
The Ebert incident was Mattner's fault anyway. If he hadn't made the wrong decision in trying to go around Ebert, Rutten wouldn't have been caught out of position.
Markthirtytwo
24 Feb 2007, 10:22
The Ebert incident was Mattner's fault anyway. If he hadn't made the wrong decision in trying to go around Ebert, Rutten wouldn't have been caught out of position.
But that was one of his strengths before, beside tackling.
McLeodMagic
24 Feb 2007, 10:27
Stiffy for me.
I hope Marty doesn't take them when the H&A season begins.
According to the club's decision making consultant/guru, Stiffy is the best decision maker in the team. (Or maybe it was Mcleod, can't remember). But I reckon Stiffy will get the job......Not sure what our plan B is, but seems to be a try out for Mattner.
Stiffy_18
24 Feb 2007, 12:06
Anyone but Mattner or Burton!
You need someone who is a good decision maker under pressure. Apparently Stiffy is the best we have but even he can have some brain fades with kick ins.
I would give someone like Stiffy, McLeod, Torney, Van Berlo and even Reilly some chance to see what they are made off. Mattner definetly shouldn't be doing the kick ins. As soon as I saw him going over to take the kick in, I said, this will get ugly.
Mattner has been using the same (at times infuriating) blaze-away long kick for as long as he's been playing. To suddenly ask him to pinpoint passes to teammates from kick-ins is certainly puzzling.
Perhaps, as another poster has said, it was a deliberate ploy to force him to think about where and who he's kicking it to for a change.
KUNG FU
24 Feb 2007, 13:35
I wrote this in another thread, before I noticed this one...
This is just an idea, but maybe Mattner is kicking for us in the PS so as to help improve his decision-making ability? Give him a bit more time to observe, understand and think about his kicking.
Richard MacSellar
24 Feb 2007, 16:57
mattner is only good if we wont to bomb it out to the wing which I think is why we have sent him there.
its funny, if he hadnt've rushed that behind we all know what the final result would have been. he should have just chucked it on his booming left foot out to basset who was one on one with someone else.
Crow-mo
24 Feb 2007, 19:13
Ross Gibbs,
he must be eligible under the great grandson/father rule :)
tcinadelaide
24 Feb 2007, 20:10
Mattner refuses to go with his first instinct be it in play or kicking in,he needs to work harder on his decision making otherwise he may find his spot in jeopardy.He is at best ,predictable with his movement,by hand or foot and so of all the positions on the groung ,kicking in would be one where an element of surprise can be a weapon it is folly to play him there next week,the week aftyer or ever again,he is not the man for this role Craigy please dont waste any more time on it.
Porlyzia should be around the ball more often,Griffin leads hard and contests very well,I would be looking to a resting forward role for him rotating with McGregor and Huddo,two goals each,....very handy.
Mick Doughty I like but again his choice making when under the pump needs more work.Welshy's got rid of the streaks in the hair and looks like he's more committed and honest about it.
Mad Dog
24 Feb 2007, 21:53
the toughest thing about watching PS games is the frustration of plyers playing out of position.
Most agree Mattner needs to go to a wing.......but there he was doing the kickouts.....:rolleyes:
makes it very difficult to assess player performance and our prospects
jenny61_99
25 Feb 2007, 01:01
I am sure there is method to Craig's madness! Didn't Andy McLeod used to kick in for us too? Johncock made some mother mistakes last year from kick ins - made me nervous every time he did it. Mattner is now in the same category. But like I said, I am SURE Craig has a reason for doing it, and some of the ones given above sound quite plausible.
Just out of curiousity, who was doing the kick-ins vs Norwood?
SpringChoke
25 Feb 2007, 20:47
the toughest thing about watching PS games is the frustration of plyers playing out of position.
Most agree Mattner needs to go to a wing.......but there he was doing the kickouts.....:rolleyes:
makes it very difficult to assess player performance and our prospects
This confuses me. You can understand this logic if it was a youngster still finding his way but it's a 24 year old who has been in the system for 5-6 years.
Mad Dog
25 Feb 2007, 21:30
This confuses me. You can understand this logic if it was a youngster still finding his way but it's a 24 year old who has been in the system for 5-6 years.
different skill set - blind attacking v precision need for zero mistake tolerance.......Mattner fits into the former.
....but again hopefully Craigy doesn't mess with the natural attributes of players in the name of flexibility....:rolleyes:
Ok so we all agree Mattner is NOT the guy to do the kickins (I've never seen anyone's brain completely freeze up like that before!)
I thought that last year was as bad as Mattner could get. His Forrest Gump like ability to keep on running until he essentially ran into someone was bordering on the hilarious (if he wasn't playing for my team). I am concerned however, that we are still yet to see any improvement in his ability to make a decision.
I suggest putting him back on the wing. That way, once he's run 300 m and had 50 bounces he doesn't have to decide who to kick to, he just has a shot at goal!
crows98
26 Feb 2007, 08:49
When Neil Craig took over from Gary Ayres half way thought 2004 he gave the kick in reasonability to Brent Reilly, for the 5 or 6 games he was given that role he was quite impressive.
Brent Reilly or Stiffy for me.
crows98
26 Feb 2007, 09:01
the toughest thing about watching PS games is the frustration of plyers playing out of position.
Most agree Mattner needs to go to a wing.......but there he was doing the kickouts.....:rolleyes:
makes it very difficult to assess player performance and our prospects
Neil Craig said in one of his earlier press conferences that he is using this pre season as a way of finding how flexible his players are and what kind of flexibility his playing team system will allow. Marty Mattner kicking out is just an example of this and hopefully this can help the decision making process.
By giving Marty Mattner the reasonability of kicking in after a point Neil Craig can potentially find an alternative role for him as well as continue to educate him about the importance of being a good defender.
AndrewJo
26 Feb 2007, 09:14
Neil Craig said in one of his earlier press conferences that he is using this pre season as a way of finding how flexible his players are and what kind of flexibility his playing team system will allow. Marty Mattner kicking out is just an example of this and hopefully this can help the decision making process.
By giving Marty Mattner the reasonability of kicking in after a point Neil Craig can potentially find an alternative role for him as well as continue to educate him about the importance of being a good defender.
As it is for tryouts , what about Luke Jericho? I seem to remember that he is a good field kick? What injury has he got?
crows98
26 Feb 2007, 09:18
As it is for tryouts , what about Luke Jericho? I seem to remember that he is a good field kick? What injury has he got?
Jericho - shoulder - will resume training early March
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=300141
maccas_no1
26 Feb 2007, 09:45
When Neil Craig took over from Gary Ayres half way thought 2004 he gave the kick in reasonability to Brent Reilly, for the 5 or 6 games he was given that role he was quite impressive.
Brent Reilly or Stiffy for me.
Um I dont think so, he would have to be the worst decision maker in the side, didnt you see his stuff ups on Friday night in general play???
crows98
26 Feb 2007, 09:50
Um I dont think so, he would have to be the worst decision maker in the side, didnt you see his stuff ups on Friday night in general play???
If you say so Macca_no1.
Graham Johncock never stuffs up? Tyson Edwards, Simon Goodwin or Kris Massie would never have made a mistake on the football field. IMO Brent Reilly decision making skills are fine and he is more than capable of doing the job.
Mad Dog
26 Feb 2007, 09:54
Neil Craig said in one of his earlier press conferences that he is using this pre season as a way of finding how flexible his players are and what kind of flexibility his playing team system will allow. Marty Mattner kicking out is just an example of this and hopefully this can help the decision making process.
By giving Marty Mattner the reasonability of kicking in after a point Neil Craig can potentially find an alternative role for him as well as continue to educate him about the importance of being a good defender.
Yes - I was at the PS GF last year...................:(
and hasn't that little life lesson really paid dividends.......
not mentioning any names
Mad Dog
26 Feb 2007, 09:55
The Great Man II wouldn't be such a bad option - great penetrating kick - rarely makes a mistake by foot......:thumbsu:
macca23
26 Feb 2007, 10:08
Yes - I was at the PS GF last year...................:(
and hasn't that little life lesson really paid dividends.......
not mentioning any names
Ahhh, you're just scared that the walls will come tumbling down!! :eek: :D
maccas_no1
26 Feb 2007, 10:22
If you say so Macca_no1.
Graham Johncock never stuffs up? Tyson Edwards, Simon Goodwin or Kris Massie would never have made a mistake on the football field. IMO Brent Reilly decision making skills are fine and he is more than capable of doing the job.
I never said that but Reilly is not the answer, Reilly also plays midfeild not defence so how can he take a kick in and then be in the midfeild where he is needed????
Personally I would rather Reilly was selling hot dogs behind the members stand.
maccas_no1
26 Feb 2007, 10:23
The Great Man II wouldn't be such a bad option - great penetrating kick - rarely makes a mistake by foot......:thumbsu:
You were obviously blind folded on Fri night:eek:
Markthirtytwo
26 Feb 2007, 11:15
Ahhh, you're just scared that the walls will come tumbling down!! :eek: :D
Jer..........
onimo!:eek:
betterthanu
26 Feb 2007, 13:26
I think Reilly would be a good option to do the kick ins. hes got excellent disposal although he doesnt really have the flattest kick going around. They tend to balloon into the air but its still fairly effective.
betterthanu
26 Feb 2007, 13:33
Reilly also plays midfeild not defence so how can he take a kick in and then be in the midfeild where he is needed????
Personally I would rather Reilly was selling hot dogs behind the members stand.
Him being a midfielder is a non issue. You would have to be the most negative person in history and the worst person to sit near at a game.
"Maccas_no1 you just won a million dollars!!! How do you feel????"
"oh that would be right, now my taxes will go up, its raining ******** on me lately!!"
Stiffy_18
26 Feb 2007, 13:49
"Maccas_no1 you just won a million dollars!!! How do you feel????"
"oh that would be right, now my taxes will go up, its raining ******** on me lately!!"
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3407/pwndtm6.jpg
:D :thumbsu:
RoosterLad
26 Feb 2007, 13:52
Him being a midfielder is a non issue. You would have to be the most negative person in history and the worst person to sit near at a game.
"Maccas_no1 you just won a million dollars!!! How do you feel????"
"oh that would be right, now my taxes will go up, its raining ******** on me lately!!"
hahaha gold!
CrowHop
26 Feb 2007, 13:54
Mattner actually lost us the game.
That three point rushed behind that he stupidly conceeded was the difference in the end.
One incident never costs a side the game.
Drummond
26 Feb 2007, 13:58
Quality betterthanu. :p :thumbsu:
Anyway, anyone but Mattner. However it seems Neil Craig is being as stubborn as ever and he’ll persist with Mattner. :o I too wouldn’t mind seeing Reilly take the kick-ins as he does have great foot skills but with the quick kick in rule it makes it hard for midfielders to get down there in time.
crows98
26 Feb 2007, 14:01
Quality betterthanu. :p :thumbsu:
Anyway, anyone but Mattner. However it seems Neil Craig is being as stubborn as ever and he’ll persist with Mattner. :o I too wouldn’t mind seeing Reilly take the kick-ins as he does have great foot skills but with the quick kick in rule it makes it hard for midfielders to get down there in time.
Very valid point Drummond and this would be a major reason why it will be unlikely for his to be given the role.
Nothing to do with him being a midfielder
crows98
26 Feb 2007, 14:02
"Maccas_no1 you just won a million dollars!!! How do you feel????"
"oh that would be right, now my taxes will go up, its raining ******** on me lately!!"
Quality work. :D :thumbsu:
maccas_no1
26 Feb 2007, 14:35
Him being a midfielder is a non issue. You would have to be the most negative person in history and the worst person to sit near at a game.
I guees you could ask a few people from these boards there opinion on that:thumbsu:
Wayne's-World
26 Feb 2007, 16:44
If Scott Thompson ends up playing more in the defensive end of the ground this year as has been hinted ...then he would appear a logical choice for kick-ins.
Otherwise isn't Bassett pretty reliable?
maccas_no1
26 Feb 2007, 17:07
If Scott Thompson ends up playing more in the defensive end of the ground this year as has been hinted ...then he would appear a logical choice for kick-ins.
Otherwise isn't Bassett pretty reliable?
Yes Bassett ot Johncock would be my picks:thumbsu:
Southerntakeover
26 Feb 2007, 17:23
Last year we gave it to the player who scored highest in the decision making test. Im sure they'll do something similiar this year, so it will probably come down to one of Johncock or McLeod, the top two last year.
Crow-mo
26 Feb 2007, 19:37
"Maccas_no1 you just won a million dollars!!! How do you feel????"
"oh that would be right, now my taxes will go up, its raining ******** on me lately!!"
lol. top work :D
macca23
26 Feb 2007, 22:04
"Maccas_no1 you just won a million dollars!!! How do you feel????"
"oh that would be right, now my taxes will go up, its raining ******** on me lately!!"
:D :D
That is genuinely the quote of the week. :D
maccas_no1
26 Feb 2007, 23:03
:D :D
That is genuinely the quote of the week. :D
Yes alright your a bunch of comedians:p
KUNG FU
26 Feb 2007, 23:44
If Scott Thompson ends up playing more in the defensive end of the ground this year as has been hinted ...then he would appear a logical choice for kick-ins.
Am I missing something? Thompson's kicking effectiveness is shocking.
Bassett is a great kick in, but you need a tall defender like him receiving. Johncock is the best choice IMO.
Carl Spackler
1 Mar 2007, 23:27
Johncock is the best choice IMO.
Is it just me or has Johncock's game tapered off since he took on the kick in responsibilities? It seems like it is a handbrake on his game.
SWANNIES RULE
3 Mar 2007, 11:31
I think it should be Chris Knights.
Johncock is rubbish at it. Even though he may be your best bet. Club should give Van Berlo a shot
CrowMagnum
3 Mar 2007, 13:33
Am I missing something? Thompson's kicking effectiveness is shocking.
Bassett is a great kick in, but you need a tall defender like him receiving. Johncock is the best choice IMO.
Bassett was tried a bit under Ayres and he stunk, thats why he doesn't do it now. He has some strengths but kicking and decision making aren't 2 of them.