Pick a Young Gun for your list

[MadMaxx]

Ok, here is 20 young guns from the league. Hypothetically, pick one to steal for your team. DO NOT PICK THE PLAYER FROM YOUR TEAM. I am making this a public poll, so we will all see.

Chris Knights - Adelaide
Justin Sherman - Brisbane
Marc Murphy - Carlton
Bryce Gibbs - Carlton
Dale Thomas - Collingwood
Pat Ryder - Essendon
David Mundy - Fremantle
Tom Hawkins - Geelong
Lance Franklin - Hawthorn
Grant Birchall - Hawthorn
Andrew Swallow - Kangaroos
Jesse Smith - Kangaroos
Matthew Bate - Melbourne
Danyle Pearce - Port
Brett Deledio - Richmond
Jason Gram - St Kilda
Nick Malceski - Sydney
Beau Waters - WCE
Shannon Hurn - WCE
Ryan Griffen - WB

A few points.

* There were 20 options for the Poll. 4 Teams got 2 entrants where it wasn't clear cut in my eyes. Carlton, Hawthorn, Kanga's and WCE

* I have hesitantly put Mundy in for Freo. He is definatly a good player (in the making) but at 22 it i tough to call him young. There were no other obvious choices for mine.

[MadMaxx]

FWIW Sherman for me. Love the attack on the footy.

[Embers]

Griffen even though I accidently voted for Hurn

[Blacky31]

Embers = Gimp!

[captain subtext]

* I have hesitantly put Mundy in for Freo. He is definatly a good player (in the making) but at 22 it i tough to call him young. There were no other obvious choices for mine.
McLean?

[MadMaxx]

Balanced up by Hawkk voting for buddy. Do people vote before reading or summin?

[one_twelve112]

Griffen - looks to be a top prospect

[MadMaxx]

McLean?


DOH! Apologies to all Demon Fans. I knew i would miss an obvious. I DO like Bate, but McLean is the obviously higher talent.

If a Mod sees this soon, can they please edit the poll to change bate to McLean.

[Cynic]

...I'd take Deledio just over Sherman.

[TheBrownDog]

...I'd take Deledio just over Sherman.

I wouldn't make that trade.

[TheGeneral]

Franklin because we have Gibbs, Russell and Walker who are the same size as Griffen who would be my second choice.

No Brock Mclean? :D

I don't consider Malceski and Swallow to be young guns just yet and I'd have Cooney and Walker on this list ahead of them.

[TheBrownDog]

By the way, I picked a player from my team before I read the instructions.

Sorry about that.

[MadMaxx]

Sigh, out of 13 votes already, 4 already voted for thier own players. You people are on autopilot.

[MadMaxx]

By the way, I picked a player from my team before I read the instructions.

Sorry about that.

At least acknowledged. Cheers BD.

[TheGeneral]

I wouldn't make that trade.
I'm not knocking Sherman, but you wouldn't get offered that trade. ;)

[Archimedes]

Murphy - he is class, which is exactly what the Dockers midfield needs.

[mark73]

DOH! Apologies to all Demon Fans. I knew i would miss an obvious. I DO like Bate, but McLean is the obviously higher talent.

If a Mod sees this soon, can they please edit the poll to change bate to McLean.

While you're at it you can get rid of Bryce Gibbs. How can a guy who has never played a game be considered a young gun? A "young gun" would surely have to have at least 5-10 games under his belt.

[The Zebra]

Tough between Deledio, Griffen and Franklin.

Franklin will be the most devastating, but Griffen and Deledio are more of a chance to consistently contribute.

I'll go Griffen - just - an absolute sure bet gun.

[mark73]

I don't consider Malceski and Swallow to be young guns just yet and I'd have Cooney and Walker on this list ahead of them.

I would have both of them in a young guns thread. Cooney is becoming an established player and Walker shouldn't be within 10 miles of a "young gun" thread. Serviceable player at best.

[Richo83]

Kinights? Who? Porplyzia form the crows is better.

Smith form the Kangaroos hasn't shown much, and shouldn't know out a Pendlebury, Simpson or Raines out of the 20.

McLean's an obvious miss. So is Cooney who is better than more than half of those players. Good concept, but needs some fine tuning.

I honestly believe Delidio is either the best or one of the best, but barring that, I choose Griffen, oozes class. Murphy and Franklin aren't far behind.

[The Royal Sampler]

I chose Gibbs on reputation, although could easily have gone for Griffen or Pearce.

If he were an option, I would have taken Leuenberger above all the others, because Collingwood is in desperate need of a ruckman.

[AxelFoley#5]

Plenty of Bomber youngsters you could have chosen over Ryder. Monfries and Johns woulda been my choices for the poll.

[MinerBoy]

Some good players there. I really like KPP players, even though we have drafted tall past few years, so I was tempted to go with Hawkins (assuming the wraps are accurate).

In the end though I voted for what I think the Hawks need to add to their team - pacy, skilled midfielders = D Pearce.

Could have gone with Gibbs or Murphy but haven't seen enough of either yet. I really like Ryan Griffen too, but perhaps he isn't exactly what we need.

[mark73]

Plenty of Bomber youngsters you could have chosen over Ryder. Monfries and Johns woulda been my choices for the poll.

Monfries definitely. Johns, no.

[Pykie]

I don't consider Malceski and Swallow to be young guns just yet and I'd have Cooney and Walker on this list ahead of them.


Walker? HAHA

Swallow's kicking is suspect in the greater footballing community, yet its about 100% better than that of Walkers. You then add to that, 50% of Swallows possies are contested in the guts.

Swallow >>>> Walker

He is easily one of the best young inside midfielders in the competition and probably in the best 5 players drafted in 05'.

[Jeremias]

Walker? HAHA

Swallow's kicking is suspect in the greater footballing community, yet its about 100% better than that of Walkers. You then add to that, 50% of Swallows possies are contested in the guts.

Swallow >>>> Walker

He is easily one of the best young inside midfielders in the competition and probably in the best 5 players drafted in 05'.

So because he gets more contested possessions, he is better?

Muppet.

[Pykie]

So because he gets more contested possessions, he is better?

Muppet.

Nope.

Stronger, Smarter, Quicker, More skillful.

There you go, Muppet.

[mckinale]

Selwood?

[TigerGlory]

I'd take Franklin.

Considering we already have Deledio :thumbsu:

[BlueDevil]

i'd love to have the sherminator. the guy's like the engergizer bunny, keeps on running all day. racks up heaps of the ball in the process. and kicks a few handy goals.

[Kahuna]

It's funny how all the Hawks voted Buddy, given me Griffen just behind Mundy.

[Scruba]

I voted for griffen by accident.. my real vote goes to murphy

[giantroo]

Kinights? Who? Porplyzia form the crows is better.

Smith form the Kangaroos hasn't shown much, and shouldn't know out a Pendlebury, Simpson or Raines out of the 20.

McLean's an obvious miss. So is Cooney who is better than more than half of those players. Good concept, but needs some fine tuning.

I honestly believe Delidio is either the best or one of the best, but barring that, I choose Griffen, oozes class. Murphy and Franklin aren't far behind.

Smith hasnt shown much because if you watched Melbourne vs NM in the nab cup last year you would know what had happened to him. His still recovering from it.

[The Flash]

Since our midfield is loaded with talent I would go for Buddy. He will be a superstar, and whoever says he wont and hes over rated should go and follow a different sport. If we had him, we would surely be in the top 2 for the flag this year, rather than being a possible top 4 team.
Watch him this year, he will blow the competition away.

[dipper86]

It's funny how all the Hawks voted Buddy, given me Griffen just behind Mundy.

What's funny about that, out of buddy's 12 votes only 3 are Hawthorn supporters. yeh good call. :thumbsu:

[rick James]

I think McLean would be winning were he included, but keeping in mind I couldn't vote for him anyway, I'd go for Griffen.

[rick James]

Smith hasnt shown much because if you watched Melbourne vs NM in the nab cup last year you would know what had happened to him. His still recovering from it.

So you agree he hasn't shown much then?

[K&S hampster]

its a tough one.
I have gone with griffin!! strong fast and a long booming kick.
very mature footballer for his age.
Marc murphy would be my next pick!!!:thumbsu:

[davey_23]

Griffen, Murphy or Franklin.

[tin can sam]

Griffen, Murphy or Franklin.

Spot on, with Hawkins or Gibbs a possibility, but unlikely due to the fact they are untried.

[Ninty]

Franklin.

[blitzer]

I'd take Marc Murphy, the class midfielder that we need to go with our hard workers and aboriginal speedsters. I love the way Griffen plays though.

[Mofra]

Franklin - Murphy & Gibbs may be better midfielders, Hawkins may end up as a better KPP (although untried), but Franklin will be the most difficult match-up.

Given the fact most teams have a few stars anyway, I went for the most difficult match-up. He will gain consistency over the next few years as well, making him an essential part of pre-match planning for any game against the Hawks.

[trueblue_91]

I think McLean would be winning were he included, but keeping in mind I couldn't vote for him anyway, I'd go for Griffen.

I wouldv'e chosen Mclean and im sure a lot of people would've chsoe n him too. ( what am i doing agreeing with RJ?:confused:.)

But since he aint there i'd take deledio.

1 other thing is gram the best youngster the saints have???

[MadMaxx]

Plenty of Bomber youngsters you could have chosen over Ryder. Monfries and Johns woulda been my choices for the poll.

Fair call re Monfries. Johns is a dud (IMO)

I just think Ryder might be vgood in the future. I was keen on him for the Hawks in that draft.

[MadMaxx]

I wouldv'e chosen Mclean and im sure a lot of people would've chsoe n him too. ( what am i doing agreeing with RJ?:confused:.)

But since he aint there i'd take deledio.

1 other thing is gram the best youngster the saints have???

Yep. Sorry again about McLean. If I could have edited the Poll, he would be in. Bate played well last night, so stuck in my mind.

Regarding Gram, look at the Saints list. It has been a few years since they turned over any gems. Was slim pickings to be frank.

I has the record from the weekend in front of me. Handy as it has full lists for all teams.

[rick James]

Yep. Sorry again about McLean. If I could have edited the Poll, he would be in. Bate played well last night, so stuck in my mind.

Regarding Gram, look at the Saints list. It has been a few years since they turned over any gems. Was slim pickings to be frank.

I has the record from the weekend in front of me. Handy as it has full lists for all teams.

You're right about St Kilda, that's why they need to make a big move and quickly or it will be rebuilding stages all over again for them.

The Clarke brothers could prove to be very poor picks in the long run imo

[The Zebra]

You're right about St Kilda, that's why they need to make a big move and quickly or it will be rebuilding stages all over again for them.

The Clarke brothers could prove to be very poor picks in the long run imo

The Saints still have Ball, Dal Santo, Reiwoldt, Kosi, Fisher, Goddard, Gram, Maguire and Montagna - all are 24 or under.

Plenty of young quality there. It will hurt the when Gehrig and Harvey go, but with the above core players they won't have to restart a rebuild process any time soon.

[tigerT]

griffen or buddy franklin toss of a coin

[AxelFoley#5]

Fair call re Monfries. Johns is a dud (IMO)

I just think Ryder might be vgood in the future. I was keen on him for the Hawks in that draft.

yeah Ryder just needs developing but could be something very good in the future.

Johns showed lotsa potential last season in the absense of Lloyd...hope he takes the next step this year.

[Stakerz]

Either one of Griffen, Murphy and Franklin.

[Hawkamania!]

I went with David Mundy as he is the best defender on the list and defence is the biggest issue at Hawthorn at the moment. Beau Waters would be next.

I don't believe that these two are the best players on the poll, however as MadMaxx stated what player would you want for your team. What can Hawthorn achieve in having another midfielder at the expense of a quality defender?

[MadMaxx]

yeah Ryder just needs developing but could be something very good in the future.

Johns showed lotsa potential last season in the absense of Lloyd...hope he takes the next step this year.

I am not convinced re Johns. Will be 23 this year. Is pretty old to still be waiting for his potential to deliver.

Of interest, do any non Bomber supporters rate him?

[gandaal]

We've already got Fevola, Whitnall and a future young gun in Kennedy for our forward line, and you can never have enough midfielders, so I'd have to go Griffin over Franklin.

[stifler's mom]

Griffin at this stage.
By end of this year could be Buddy.
By end of year after it could be tomahawk. ( i'm hoping it's Pendlebury )

:)

[grantyc77]

I picked Murphy, but i would take, Mundy Franklin and Griffen in a flash. All those four will be stars

[Kaiser Powser]

The Shermanator for me.

He is very exciting to watch.

Too early for me to call on a few of those other players, particularly the first years.

[Kaiser Powser]

Ok, here is 20 young guns from the league. Hypothetically, pick one to steal for your team. DO NOT PICK THE PLAYER FROM YOUR TEAM. I am making this a public poll, so we will all see.

Chris Knights - Adelaide
Justin Sherman - Brisbane
Marc Murphy - Carlton
Bryce Gibbs - Carlton
Dale Thomas - Collingwood
Pat Ryder - Essendon
David Mundy - Fremantle
Tom Hawkins - Geelong
Lance Franklin - Hawthorn
Grant Birchall - Hawthorn
Andrew Swallow - Kangaroos
Jesse Smith - Kangaroos
Matthew Bate - Melbourne
Danyle Pearce - Port
Brett Deledio - Richmond
Jason Gram - St Kilda
Nick Malceski - Sydney
Beau Waters - WCE
Shannon Hurn - WCE
Ryan Griffen - WB

A few points.

* There were 20 options for the Poll. 4 Teams got 2 entrants where it wasn't clear cut in my eyes. Carlton, Hawthorn, Kanga's and WCE

* I have hesitantly put Mundy in for Freo. He is definatly a good player (in the making) but at 22 it i tough to call him young. There were no other obvious choices for mine.

IMO Pendlebury is better than Thomas.

But I shouldn't be critical, it is very easy to sit here and pick holes in other peoples poles.

Good pole BTW :thumbsu:

[Kaiser Powser]

Sigh, out of 13 votes already, 4 already voted for thier own players. You people are on autopilot.

Have you seen how many Hawks fans have voted for Franklin?

Can't people read?

[GALON]

Perhaps they can, they're just saying they wouldn;t want anyone else?

I went for Deledio.
Has all the attributes we need. Inside mids are covered with Hodge, Lewis and Mitchell...Deledio would complement them beautifully.

[Hodge2Franklin]

Perhaps they can, they're just saying they wouldn;t want anyone else?

I went for Deledio.
Has all the attributes we need. Inside mids are covered with Hodge, Lewis and Mitchell...Deledio would complement them beautifully.

Deledio can play footy, no question... I would love him, but I picked Gibbs because even if Gibbs isn't has good he looks to have leadership material and is tougher.

Deledio's only weakness at this stage is he seems to have little or no leadership ability which means he might end up a bit of a downhill skier.

Typical Richmond is the easiest statement here, but I hope for their sake his early showings aren't a true indication of the type of player he might become.

[GALON]

I know for a fact that Brett has the leadership skills to be a future captain of Richmond.
Don't underestimate this kid, he is a gem.

[Demonic Ascent]

I picked Franklin as the Demons would be top 2 easily with him at CHF.

[cosby]

Deledio thanks.

[delirious1]

Murphy

[Furn]

I picked Griffen just over Murphy but he didnt turn up for training at Waverley this week so whats going on ?

[parrot]

Imagine having Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs on your list.. The 2 most talented young midfielders in the AFL by an absolute mile. :)

[Teagueeee15]

I Picked Franklin. A forward line with Fev at full Forward,Kennedy at CHF and Franklin as a third tall would be capable of kicking at least 130 goals between the three(over the course of the season).

[jod23]

Picked Lance Franklin. He looks the goods.

Cant believe nobody chose Waters. Absolute gun player. Probably the best player on the list.

[Johnny_3]

Deledio and Franklin were close. Considering Carltons depth of KPP/Tall options i thought Deledio will be next best.

Found it hard to split Deledio and Franklin, but i would be happy with either. Quite happy to take him!

[Hawkamania!]

Picked Lance Franklin. He looks the goods.

Cant believe nobody chose Waters. Absolute gun player. Probably the best player on the list.

You must have missed my post on this http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6822271&postcount=52. Picked him as a second choice.

[Lord_Travis]

I picked Franklin as the Demons would be top 2 easily with him at CHF.
Agreed.