A Plea to the WCE Players, Administration, Members and Supporters

[hawkeye23]

Let me preface this post by saying that I haven't read any of the hoo-ha going on on these boards, and I probably won't, even after I've hit the submit button on this thread...

I've been an Eagles supporter and member since day dot. I was there when we were crap in the early years, with crap facilities and having to pay the way of interstate teams to come and play against us. I was there when we won our first premiership, there for the second. I bit my tongue when my father, lily livered that he is, defected to the Purple Penis Eaters. I struggled through watching the stalwarts of our club retire or move on in the late 90's. I survived the "Dreaded Ken Judge Years". I was there when Juddy played that game at the Gabba. I sat at Princes Park and watched us get flogged by the Blues to the tune of 120-odd points. I was there when we fell short by 4 points in 2005, and I was there again last year when we got up by the narrowest of margins.

The day we won the 2006 flag was the best footy day of my life. I was in the crowd, hugging people I'd never met, tears streaming down my face, with an enormous sense of pride, achievement, relief, elation. I thought that nothing could bring me down from that.

To see my club going through what it's going through at the moment just rips me apart. We should be enjoying the fruits of our labours, and looking positively to the season ahead. Instead, my club has lurched from controversy to controversy in the off-season, and to read the comments of so-called supporters makes my stomach turn. Our club needs our support!

To our players, please, pull together through these dramas. Don't resort to in-fighting and dustups. To the administrators, please, do all you can to give the players all the support humanly possible. To our supporters and members, do not resort to "eating our own". Talk of boycotts is talk of bandwagoners. We're better than that. We've got so much to look forward to. We, as a club, and I mean everyone involved, need to look to the upcoming season and sieze our opportunities with some self respect, pride and dignity.

Lets rise above this Coasters! We're Eagles. Lets soar!!

<This is brilliant and sincere, it deserves to be stickied. - Goldenblue>

[Kaitsey]

one word guys...judd

how can we lose?

[Fletchers Girl]

Couldn't have said it better myself Hawkeye :thumbsu:

[94_Eagles]

one word guys...judd

how can we lose?

If all this infighting causes him to leave.

[lyall]

Agree, so sick of supporters calling for sacking players and saying our season is over. That is crap.

Lets just get past all this and work through it

[Embers]

Boycotting Round 1 and booing wont do anything. It happens all the time in soccer and most of the time the players turn against the fans and stop playing to the best of there ability. Just go there clap and go home.

[ditto]

Let me preface this post by saying that I haven't read any of the hoo-ha going on on these boards, and I probably won't, even after I've hit the submit button on this thread...

I've been an Eagles supporter and member since day dot. I was there when we were crap in the early years, with crap facilities and having to pay the way of interstate teams to come and play against us. I was there when we won our first premiership, there for the second. I bit my tongue when my father, lily livered that he is, defected to the Purple Penis Eaters. I struggled through watching the stalwarts of our club retire or move on in the late 90's. I survived the "Dreaded Ken Judge Years". I was there when Juddy played that game at the Gabba. I sat at Princes Park and watched us get flogged by the Blues to the tune of 120-odd points. I was there when we fell short by 4 points in 2005, and I was there again last year when we got up by the narrowest of margins.

The day we won the 2006 flag was the best footy day of my life. I was in the crowd, hugging people I'd never met, tears streaming down my face, with an enormous sense of pride, achievement, relief, elation. I thought that nothing could bring me down from that.

To see my club going through what it's going through at the moment just rips me apart. We should be enjoying the fruits of our labours, and looking positively to the season ahead. Instead, my club has lurched from controversy to controversy in the off-season, and to read the comments of so-called supporters makes my stomach turn. Our club needs our support!

To our players, please, pull together through these dramas. Don't resort to in-fighting and dustups. To the administrators, please, do all you can to give the players all the support humanly possible. To our supporters and members, do not resort to "eating our own". Talk of boycotts is talk of bandwagoners. We're better than that. We've got so much to look forward to. We, as a club, and I mean everyone involved, need to look to the upcoming season and sieze our opportunities with some self respect, pride and dignity.

Lets rise above this Coasters! We're Eagles. Lets soar!!

Seconded. :thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu::thumb su:

[QL 21]

Amen to that.

[Quinzate1]

Amen. We'll come through this even stronger (legally). The club needs all our support, and I'll certainly be there in Round 2 cheering louder than ever.

[Kaitsey]

we cant just all be pussies and say...sack cuz, sack chick and sack player X etc. we gotta persevere and become a stronger club.

[Jezzza]

Well said Hawkeye23!!

I hope the club as a whole pull together, especially the players.

Out of adversity comes opportunity.
opportunity for young or lesser rated players to step up
opportunity for them to come closer as a group to achieve the ultimate goal
opportunity for new leaders to come forward
opportunity for Juddy to become the next great captain of our club

The other option would be to fracture and totally implode. I really don't want to see that.:(

[Audacious]

This thread should be stickied.
Well done Hawkeye :thumbsu:

[Scratcher Gillespie]

Hear hear.

Couldn't have put it better myself Hawkeye.

[Juddyzthebest]

Let me preface this post by saying that I haven't read any of the hoo-ha going on on these boards, and I probably won't, even after I've hit the submit button on this thread...

I've been an Eagles supporter and member since day dot. I was there when we were crap in the early years, with crap facilities and having to pay the way of interstate teams to come and play against us. I was there when we won our first premiership, there for the second. I bit my tongue when my father, lily livered that he is, defected to the Purple Penis Eaters. I struggled through watching the stalwarts of our club retire or move on in the late 90's. I survived the "Dreaded Ken Judge Years". I was there when Juddy played that game at the Gabba. I sat at Princes Park and watched us get flogged by the Blues to the tune of 120-odd points. I was there when we fell short by 4 points in 2005, and I was there again last year when we got up by the narrowest of margins.

The day we won the 2006 flag was the best footy day of my life. I was in the crowd, hugging people I'd never met, tears streaming down my face, with an enormous sense of pride, achievement, relief, elation. I thought that nothing could bring me down from that.

To see my club going through what it's going through at the moment just rips me apart. We should be enjoying the fruits of our labours, and looking positively to the season ahead. Instead, my club has lurched from controversy to controversy in the off-season, and to read the comments of so-called supporters makes my stomach turn. Our club needs our support!

To our players, please, pull together through these dramas. Don't resort to in-fighting and dustups. To the administrators, please, do all you can to give the players all the support humanly possible. To our supporters and members, do not resort to "eating our own". Talk of boycotts is talk of bandwagoners. We're better than that. We've got so much to look forward to. We, as a club, and I mean everyone involved, need to look to the upcoming season and sieze our opportunities with some self respect, pride and dignity.

Lets rise above this Coasters! We're Eagles. Lets soar!!

couldnt have put it better than myself... i agree with everything you say. No matter what happens i will always be a proud West Coast supporter, no matter how much everyone wants to put us down.
We gotta stick behind the boys 110%

[King Elvis]

I'm not a West Coast Supporter, but before we had the Crows, WCE were one of the two teams I liked the most.

Now, Cousins is one of my favourite players.

Forgetting all the bull**** that's been going on, I just hope the Club does the right thing by Cousins - he obviously has some problems and needs some help, it's time to put him first and get him right, then worry about footy.

[beatlesmith]

The club is going through a tough time but the fans who stick with the club through the s**t and get to the gold are the real winners:thumbsu:

As they say, the sky is the darkest before sunrise and hopefully we'll have all the boys back, happy and sober (ish) soon to deal out sum old skool eagles whoopass

[denise]

:thumbsu: :thumbsu: :thumbsu:

Well said!!

[j_mac]

Let me preface this post by saying that I haven't read any of the hoo-ha going on on these boards, and I probably won't, even after I've hit the submit button on this thread...

I've been an Eagles supporter and member since day dot. I was there when we were crap in the early years, with crap facilities and having to pay the way of interstate teams to come and play against us. I was there when we won our first premiership, there for the second. I bit my tongue when my father, lily livered that he is, defected to the Purple Penis Eaters. I struggled through watching the stalwarts of our club retire or move on in the late 90's. I survived the "Dreaded Ken Judge Years". I was there when Juddy played that game at the Gabba. I sat at Princes Park and watched us get flogged by the Blues to the tune of 120-odd points. I was there when we fell short by 4 points in 2005, and I was there again last year when we got up by the narrowest of margins.

The day we won the 2006 flag was the best footy day of my life. I was in the crowd, hugging people I'd never met, tears streaming down my face, with an enormous sense of pride, achievement, relief, elation. I thought that nothing could bring me down from that.

To see my club going through what it's going through at the moment just rips me apart. We should be enjoying the fruits of our labours, and looking positively to the season ahead. Instead, my club has lurched from controversy to controversy in the off-season, and to read the comments of so-called supporters makes my stomach turn. Our club needs our support!

To our players, please, pull together through these dramas. Don't resort to in-fighting and dustups. To the administrators, please, do all you can to give the players all the support humanly possible. To our supporters and members, do not resort to "eating our own". Talk of boycotts is talk of bandwagoners. We're better than that. We've got so much to look forward to. We, as a club, and I mean everyone involved, need to look to the upcoming season and sieze our opportunities with some self respect, pride and dignity.

Lets rise above this Coasters! We're Eagles. Lets soar!!
well said :thumbsu: :thumbsu: :thumbsu: but the footy club is bigger than the man we should get rid of him now before he brings yours and my club further down!

[CONS_SS]

Inspirational

[ditto]

Maybe the word to be used is .........






























............passion??

Lets show our passion and faith. :thumbsu::thumbsu: Go Eagles!!!!

[MAG87]

great uplifting speech hawkeye. nearly brought a tear to my eye. last year when we won the flag ill never forget that joyous feeling so imagine if we win it this year after all the **** weve copped. bring on season 2007 and if we go all the way i will spend as much as possible to get to the gf.

BRING ON ROUND 1 !!

[Beano38]

Sorry again being new to this, what was judd's 'THAT' game at the gabba and when was it?

Again sorry for the bother

[GoOsH1]

Sorry again being new to this, what was judd's 'THAT' game at the gabba and when was it?

Again sorry for the bother
a couple of years ago, I think he kicked 5 in the first half? and most of those were him breaking through packs or winning the ball from a stoppage. He literally blew brisbane apart single handed that day.

[addyguy]

Check out Gerard Whateley's take on the whole Cousins saga. IMO he is a brilliant writer who has hit the nail on the head.

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2007/03/21/2307_geelong_sports.html

[Johnny Utah #9]

Let me preface this post by saying that I haven't read any of the hoo-ha going on on these boards, and I probably won't, even after I've hit the submit button on this thread...

I've been an Eagles supporter and member since day dot. I was there when we were crap in the early years, with crap facilities and having to pay the way of interstate teams to come and play against us. I was there when we won our first premiership, there for the second. I bit my tongue when my father, lily livered that he is, defected to the Purple Penis Eaters. I struggled through watching the stalwarts of our club retire or move on in the late 90's. I survived the "Dreaded Ken Judge Years". I was there when Juddy played that game at the Gabba. I sat at Princes Park and watched us get flogged by the Blues to the tune of 120-odd points. I was there when we fell short by 4 points in 2005, and I was there again last year when we got up by the narrowest of margins.

The day we won the 2006 flag was the best footy day of my life. I was in the crowd, hugging people I'd never met, tears streaming down my face, with an enormous sense of pride, achievement, relief, elation. I thought that nothing could bring me down from that.

To see my club going through what it's going through at the moment just rips me apart. We should be enjoying the fruits of our labours, and looking positively to the season ahead. Instead, my club has lurched from controversy to controversy in the off-season, and to read the comments of so-called supporters makes my stomach turn. Our club needs our support!

To our players, please, pull together through these dramas. Don't resort to in-fighting and dustups. To the administrators, please, do all you can to give the players all the support humanly possible. To our supporters and members, do not resort to "eating our own". Talk of boycotts is talk of bandwagoners. We're better than that. We've got so much to look forward to. We, as a club, and I mean everyone involved, need to look to the upcoming season and sieze our opportunities with some self respect, pride and dignity.

Lets rise above this Coasters! We're Eagles. Lets soar!!

One of the best posts i have ever read on BF. Whoosha should have you address the team before Rd.1. Great stuff.

Eagles are my favourite team to watch in the AFL from a pure football point of view at the moment. I just hope you guys can get your act together as your opportunity to win a flag is here and now and the window of opportunity can slip by very quickly.

[roostersgal4eva]

Well said Hawkeye23!!

I hope the club as a whole pull together, especially the players.

Out of adversity comes opportunity.
opportunity for young or lesser rated players to step up
opportunity for them to come closer as a group to achieve the ultimate goal
opportunity for new leaders to come forward
opportunity for Juddy to become the next great captain of our club

The other option would be to fracture and totally implode. I really don't want to see that.:(
you forgot the most important opportunity.....

the opportunity for Ben Cousins to rehabilitate himself (I hope)
I'm not a West Coast Supporter, but before we had the Crows, WCE were one of the two teams I liked the most.

Now, Cousins is one of my favourite players.

Forgetting all the bull**** that's been going on, I just hope the Club does the right thing by Cousins - he obviously has some problems and needs some help, it's time to put him first and get him right, then worry about footy.
Excellent post - agreed 100%
some self righteous idiot ruined a thread on the main board by someone who want to wish Ben the best - so I would like to do so here......if thats ok with everyone

[Magnum27]

One of the best posts i have ever read on BF. Whoosha should have you address the team before Rd.1. Great stuff.

Eagles are my favourite team to watch in the AFL from a pure football point of view at the moment. I just hope you guys can get your act together as your opportunity to win a flag is here and now and the window of opportunity can slip by very quickly.

Holy smokes don't let her loose in the rooms before the game, they will never get her out of there.


Although i agree it is a good post, she did spend a while typing it though.

[pjcrows]

don't worry about it. by season's end it'll be "remember just before the season when..." stories. you will still be one of the cornerstones of the comp and play off for the flag. unfortunately for my team ;)

[daddy_4_eyes]

Turning a blind eye to current problems is not the answer.

Stick up for your club and support them passionately on game day.
But don't for a second pretend none of this is happening. Don't go into threads telling people its just a media beat up. Don't try to justify our clubs problems by saying its the same at every other club and we're just being unfairly singled out.

From adversity comes opportunity. I hope the eagles use this situation to fix the problems at the club rather than try to cover it up. Lets not kid ourselves, this controversy will follow our club for many years to come.

[hawkeye23]

Thanks all for your kind words of support. I felt better after typing the post. It was somewhat of a cathartic experience.

However, it's tough being an Eagles member in Melbourne at the moment. If one more person had asked me today "What's going on with Cousins?" there was real danger of me going clean off.

Oh well, our tickets arrived for the Sydney game today. I'm going to go up there with my head held high, chest puffed out and proud, and unveil the premiership flag on the team's behalf, if only in my imagination.

[Keyser Soze]

Turning a blind eye to current problems is not the answer.

Stick up for your club and support them passionately on game day.
But don't for a second pretend none of this is happening. Don't go into threads telling people its just a media beat up. Don't try to justify our clubs problems by saying its the same at every other club and we're just being unfairly singled out.

From adversity comes opportunity. I hope the eagles use this situation to fix the problems at the club rather than try to cover it up. Lets not kid ourselves, this controversy will follow our club for many years to come.

We can only hope that the club sees this as a turning point and no longer allow on field success to gloss over off field issues.

Time for the club, supporters included, to pull together and restore the credibility we have lost whilst maintaining our record of on field achievement.

[Eagles 4 Mine]

I totally agree with everything said on here and our supporters are one of the proudest bunch of supporters in the AFL following one af the greatest clubs in our short history.:D

We will be allright once the season begins this will be forgotton because their will be supporters worrying why their teams not winning games rather than worring about OUR footy club.

BRING ON 2007.

[Big Man]

Hawkeye 23 YOU FRIGGIN LEGEND. :thumbsu:

Sorry to yell, its been a rough 2 days.

Lets rise above the rest and this crapola will make a premiership taste even sweeter.

BRING IT ON!!!

[jod23]

Well said Hawkeye.

A week is a long time in football.

[worsfold]

Excellent Hawk eye

Remember 1 Team 1 goal

That Team includes Players, Administrators, members and Supporters.
That Goal is to win the 2007 Premiership

[Emerald]

Sentational post Hawkeye!

I've kind of been avoiding a few boards around here because what's going on is so upsetting but this post was a breath of fresh air.

Puts everything into perspective.

I'll expect to see another great post like this when the next West Coast scandal rolls around:D

[royalist]

Enough.sound The Siren And Bounce The Bloody Ball.

[Big Man]

Enough.sound The Siren And Bounce The Bloody Ball.

AMEN.

[Lonie_from_50]

Let me preface this post by saying that I haven't read any of the hoo-ha going on on these boards, and I probably won't, even after I've hit the submit button on this thread...

I've been an Eagles supporter and member since day dot. I was there when we were crap in the early years, with crap facilities and having to pay the way of interstate teams to come and play against us. I was there when we won our first premiership, there for the second. I bit my tongue when my father, lily livered that he is, defected to the Purple Penis Eaters. I struggled through watching the stalwarts of our club retire or move on in the late 90's. I survived the "Dreaded Ken Judge Years". I was there when Juddy played that game at the Gabba. I sat at Princes Park and watched us get flogged by the Blues to the tune of 120-odd points. I was there when we fell short by 4 points in 2005, and I was there again last year when we got up by the narrowest of margins.

The day we won the 2006 flag was the best footy day of my life. I was in the crowd, hugging people I'd never met, tears streaming down my face, with an enormous sense of pride, achievement, relief, elation. I thought that nothing could bring me down from that.

To see my club going through what it's going through at the moment just rips me apart. We should be enjoying the fruits of our labours, and looking positively to the season ahead. Instead, my club has lurched from controversy to controversy in the off-season, and to read the comments of so-called supporters makes my stomach turn. Our club needs our support!

To our players, please, pull together through these dramas. Don't resort to in-fighting and dustups. To the administrators, please, do all you can to give the players all the support humanly possible. To our supporters and members, do not resort to "eating our own". Talk of boycotts is talk of bandwagoners. We're better than that. We've got so much to look forward to. We, as a club, and I mean everyone involved, need to look to the upcoming season and sieze our opportunities with some self respect, pride and dignity.

Lets rise above this Coasters! We're Eagles. Lets soar!!

<This is brilliant and sincere, it deserves to be stickied. - Goldenblue>

A fantastic post from a great member of BigFooty

This is the kind of passion all of us have inside us but can't get it out, and in your situation, this is nothing but perfect for followers of the West Coast Eagles.

You have my full support in the current situations and events, and lets hope it can once again turn around off the field, as you will still be a force on.

From one of the scum,
Lonie_from_50

[Tarkyn_24]

Ditto above,

From another one of the scum,

Tarkyn_24

[3Judd3]

I'm not a West Coast Supporter, but before we had the Crows, WCE were one of the two teams I liked the most.

Now, Cousins is one of my favourite players.

Forgetting all the bull**** that's been going on, I just hope the Club does the right thing by Cousins - he obviously has some problems and needs some help, it's time to put him first and get him right, then worry about footy.

Don't worry mate they will suport him!

A quote from Woosha last night "I love that kid".....and so do all Eagles supporters (even the ones who atm are a bit upset with him).

I really hope he gets well soon and then he can come back do what he does best.

[Dusky]

All this media hoohaa is focussed on a tiny number of players, remember our team is made up of a bunch of very talented blokes and I know they'll pull together and show us why we all support the best team in the league.

Bring on round one and let the boys footy do the talking, watch out swannies :thumbsu:

[JKCeagle]

Excellent original post, said alot of things we've all been thinking.
Strength on and off the field, that's what we are about :thumbsu:

[Mighty Eagles]

In all seriousness Hawkeye's comment nearly brought a tear to my eye. What he said I have been saying for weeks with reguards to our focus at present.

[hawkeye23]

In all seriousness Hawkeye's comment nearly brought a tear to my eye. What he said I have been saying for weeks with reguards to our focus at present.

Psst! I'm a chick!

But thanks anyway for your kind words.

I have to say, if a Sydney "supporter" had yelled out "c'mon ref!!" one more time on Saturday, there was going to be a homicide :p

[Keyser Soze]

Let me preface this post by saying that I haven't read any of the hoo-ha going on on these boards, and I probably won't, even after I've hit the submit button on this thread...

I've been an Eagles supporter and member since day dot. I was there when we were crap in the early years, with crap facilities and having to pay the way of interstate teams to come and play against us. I was there when we won our first premiership, there for the second. I bit my tongue when my father, lily livered that he is, defected to the Purple Penis Eaters. I struggled through watching the stalwarts of our club retire or move on in the late 90's. I survived the "Dreaded Ken Judge Years". I was there when Juddy played that game at the Gabba. I sat at Princes Park and watched us get flogged by the Blues to the tune of 120-odd points. I was there when we fell short by 4 points in 2005, and I was there again last year when we got up by the narrowest of margins.

The day we won the 2006 flag was the best footy day of my life. I was in the crowd, hugging people I'd never met, tears streaming down my face, with an enormous sense of pride, achievement, relief, elation. I thought that nothing could bring me down from that.

To see my club going through what it's going through at the moment just rips me apart. We should be enjoying the fruits of our labours, and looking positively to the season ahead. Instead, my club has lurched from controversy to controversy in the off-season, and to read the comments of so-called supporters makes my stomach turn. Our club needs our support!

To our players, please, pull together through these dramas. Don't resort to in-fighting and dustups. To the administrators, please, do all you can to give the players all the support humanly possible. To our supporters and members, do not resort to "eating our own". Talk of boycotts is talk of bandwagoners. We're better than that. We've got so much to look forward to. We, as a club, and I mean everyone involved, need to look to the upcoming season and sieze our opportunities with some self respect, pride and dignity.

Lets rise above this Coasters! We're Eagles. Lets soar!!

<This is brilliant and sincere, it deserves to be stickied. - Goldenblue>


Bump.

This OP is as relevant now as it was then.

We need to hold together, the club will still be here tomorrow and the next day and for every day after that.

As supporters we have been tested all year through one thing or another but that support has stayed strong.

We are Eagles.

We will fly again.

[hawkeye23]

I'm still there supporting my club.

Supporting stupidity of players, not so much. After all, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly, expecting a different outcome. I'd like to think it's only viagra, but I doubt anyone'd be charged for possession of that without prescription.

[Kerr4PM]

one word guys...judd

how can we lose?
Ahhh....

DAMN!

[Big Man]

The club will be fine.

Maybe the gig is up, maybe our doors or windows are shut, maybe we are finito.

WE WILL BOUNCE BACK!!

CMON WEST COAST!!!

[suspect1]

I'm not a West Coast Supporter, but before we had the Crows, WCE were one of the two teams I liked the most.

Now, Cousins is one of my favourite players.

Forgetting all the bull**** that's been going on, I just hope the Club does the right thing by Cousins - he obviously has some problems and needs some help, it's time to put him first and get him right, then worry about footy.

Oh yes poor benny , no mention of the guys good boy benny has taken down with him the ones that came to the club looking up to him as a leader role model champion,i personally know of one who ben cousins influenced so much that his footy careeer was over before it began because of poor old benny ,he's now a addict no career no hope but where's the help the rehab in america for him from the supporters where is ? no where your just a groupie hangin off a drugged up star or you only help champions ,look drugs are terrible but when a leader of a club is into it and the club knows it, the coach knows it , the afl knows it the football world knows it and nothing is done and a young persons dream is taken from him by this system it's a crime , from all involved Cousins, club, coaches,supporters, it's a moral crime and all involved and all who knew hang your head go home tonight and put your hand on your heart and say yep i knew and didnt have the spine to act woosha dalton demitrio, players all grubs in my eyes. But please dont give me ben the victim he had years of chances. And Bens health is of no relevance he choose to go down this path there is enough evidence in society for us all to make a decision especially in the afl system where drug education is huge. Ben made a choice and it is not upto everyone else to dig him out ,again who's helping the ones he's influenced.where's your club for the ones who didnt make it .......

[hawkeye23]

Oh yes poor benny , no mention of the guys good boy benny has taken down with him the ones that came to the club looking up to him as a leader role model champion,i personally know of one who ben cousins influenced so much that his footy careeer was over before it began because of poor old benny ,he's now a addict no career no hope but where's the help the rehab in america for him from the supporters where is ? no where your just a groupie hangin off a drugged up star or you only help champions ,look drugs are terrible but when a leader of a club is into it and the club knows it, the coach knows it , the afl knows it the football world knows it and nothing is done and a young persons dream is taken from him by this system it's a crime , from all involved Cousins, club, coaches,supporters, it's a moral crime and all involved and all who knew hang your head go home tonight and put your hand on your heart and say yep i knew and didnt have the spine to act woosha dalton demitrio, players all grubs in my eyes. But please dont give me ben the victim he had years of chances. And Bens health is of no relevance he choose to go down this path there is enough evidence in society for us all to make a decision especially in the afl system where drug education is huge. Ben made a choice and it is not upto everyone else to dig him out ,again who's helping the ones he's influenced.where's your club for the ones who didnt make it .......

Apart from your lack of grammar, poor use of punctuation and sentence structure, your buried point in that post indicates moronic tendencies on your part.

The Eagles didn't have the power to sack him when it came to light last year. He was still playing well, and turning up to training. He never tested positive once. It was only once he started missing training sessions that they started realising the extent of the problem. The club did all they could to support this grown man, who kept on making poor choices.

We're hurting enough around here without grubs - I believe that is the word you used - like you lingering around like a vulture around roadkill.