View Full Version : ICC World Cup Group Game 24: Bangladesh v Bermuda @ Port of Spain (Sun)
Russian
25 Mar 2007, 14:21
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http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/5383/banar0.gif vs http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1756/ber6fx.gif
Queen’s Park Oval, Port of Spain, Trinidad
11:30pm AEDT Sunday March 25
Avoid a loss and Bangladesh are into the super eights for the first time, after failing to win a game in South Africa. You can’t question the efforts of Bermuda and being a mostly native team they appear to have some future in the game, but they are clearly the least talented in the competition and $9 is being very kind. Both teams expected to be unchanged, although Abdur Razzaq has a slight groin problem and it may be worth giving Shahadat Hossain or Tapash Baisya a go ahead of their clash with Australia in Antigua next weekend.
Bangladesh XV: Shahariar Nafees, Tamim Iqbal, Javed Omar, +Mushfiqur Rahim, Aftab Ahmed, Sakib Al Hasan, *Habibul Bashar, Mohammad Ashraful, Rajin Saleh, Mashrafe Mortaza, Mohammad Rafique, Tapash Baisya, Abdur Razzak, Syed Rasel, Shahadat Hossain
Bermuda XV: Clay Smith, +Dean Minors, Steven Outerbridge, Oliver Pitcher, Kwame Tucker, David Hemp, *Irvine Romaine, Janeiro Tucker, Lionel Cann, Saleem Mukuddem, Delyone Borden, Kevin Hurdle, Malachi Jones, Stefan Kelly, Dwayne Leverock
Umpires: Ian Howell (South Africa), Steve Davis (Australia), Aleem Dar (3rd, Pakistan)
Weather:
Morning showers, possible afternoon thunderstorms, 30 degrees
Super 8s Points Table:
Sri Lanka – 3 (if Bangladesh win)
Australia – 3
Sri Lanka – 3 (if Bermuda win)
West Indies – 3
New Zealand – 3
England – 0
Ireland – 0
India – 0 (if Bermuda win)
South Africa – 0
Bangladesh – 0 (if Bangladesh win))
Coverage:
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and Cricinfo (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/247480.html)’s ball by ball text commentary
Session Times:
First innings: 11:30pm-3:00am
Second innings: 3:45-7:15am
Betting:
Bangladesh - $1.04
Bermuda - $9
Bangladesh Most Runs
Nafees - $4.50
Iqbal - $5.50
Ahmed - $5.50
Omar - $6.50
Saleh - $7.50
Bashar - $7.50
Ashraful - $7.50
Hasan - $8
Rahim - $11
Rafique - $26
Mortaza - $51
Baisya - $51
Razzak - $101
Hossain - $101
Rasel - $101
Bermuda Most Runs
Hemp - $3.50
Minors - $6
Romaine - $7
Pitcher - $8
Cann - $8
Smith - $8
J Tucker - $9
Mukuddem - $9
Outerbridge - $9
K Tucker - $11
Borden - $13
Jones - $51
Hurdle - $67
Leverock - $67
Kelly - $81
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Could be saying goodbye to India here.
Bangladesh should win but wouldnt mind seeing Bermuda play well
Super 8s Points Table:
Sri Lanka – 3 (if Bangladesh win)
Australia – 3
Sri Lanka – 3 (if Bermuda win)
West Indies – 3
New Zealand – 3
England – 0
Ireland – 0
India – 0 (if Bermuda win)
South Africa – 0
Bangladesh – 0 (if Bangladesh win))
Great work as usual Russian
Regarding the Super 8's phase, why don't the likes of Eng, SA and Ireland carry any points through?
Bartram_Class
25 Mar 2007, 15:19
Great work as usual Russian
Regarding the Super 8's phase, why don't the likes of Eng, SA and Ireland carry any points through?
The three teams you mentioned all have lost a game.
Only teams that won all 3 of their group games carry points through.
The three teams you mentioned all have lost a game.
Only teams that won all 3 of their group games carry points through.
Interesting.
And what is a win worth in the Super 8s phase?
The Master88
25 Mar 2007, 15:46
Habibul Bashar to get 100 and Mohammad Rafique 5 wickets GO TIGERS :)
Deledinho
25 Mar 2007, 16:14
If Bermuda win by a squillion runs, can they still go through? :p
spell_check
25 Mar 2007, 16:21
The three teams you mentioned all have lost a game.
Only teams that won all 3 of their group games carry points through.
Isn't it the match you played with the other team that goes through is the points that carry through?
Sidey_87
25 Mar 2007, 16:23
If Bermuda win by a squillion runs, can they still go through? :p
They only have to win by 750 :)
Question regarding S8's, why do teams carry 3 pts thru and not 2?
Is each S8 game worth 3?
Sidey_87
25 Mar 2007, 16:24
Isn't it the match you played with the other team that goes through is the points that carry through?
Yes, you can win 2 games and get S8 pts, as india would have done had they defeated Sri Lanka.
RoosterLad
25 Mar 2007, 16:25
Isn't it the match you played with the other team that goes through is the points that carry through?
Correct.
The reason is obvious, in the super 8's, you play every team bar the one you played at the group stage and that match then counts as your points for that encounter so that every team left in super 8's have effectively played every team left in the tournament. Otherwise for instance a team not having to play Australia would be advantaged.
apollo_creed
25 Mar 2007, 16:42
I think it ruins the tournament a bit with 2 minnows with no chance of winning the tournament in the super 8's.
I know they both deserve to be there and I think it's safe to assume Ireland probably won't win another game. But Bangladesh as well, they're not consistent enough yet and their best/only chance will probably be against Ireland.
I want to see the best teams, playing the best teams and with 1 super-minnow (Ireland) getting through it sort of sucks we're being robbed of potential super match-ups ie; Australia v India with Bangladesh getting through. It'll obviously be more one sided games and will make the tournament far more predictable.
I'm happy to see Bangladesh progress but at the same time really dissapointed. But it's India's fault.
gillyrulz
25 Mar 2007, 17:17
GOOD BYE india........................................ banga's should win easily... carn the minows... show ponting that he is wrong (again/again/again.....)
spell_check
25 Mar 2007, 18:24
They only have to win by 750 :)
Question regarding S8's, why do teams carry 3 pts thru and not 2?
Is each S8 game worth 3?
It is two.
Corrosion
25 Mar 2007, 19:18
What magic will Leverock produce this game?
I'm hoping he scores the most runs. :thumbsu:
I think it ruins the tournament a bit with 2 minnows with no chance of winning the tournament in the super 8's.
I don't get your logic.
They are in the Super 8's because they performed better than two countries that were expected to be there
Would it ruin the tounament if they won through to the last 4 or last 2 or won the whole thing?
I can understand people not wanting them in the initial 16 but these teams have shown they deserve to be in the last 8 just as Kenya made the Super 6's last time around.
apollo_creed
25 Mar 2007, 20:30
They are in the Super 8's because they performed better than two countries
Precisely.
Bangladesh are in there because they beat India.
Ireland for doing the same to Pakistan.
that were expected to be there
with good reason, Pakistan and India are two of the better one day teams in the world.
Would it ruin the tounament if they won through to the last 4 or last 2 or won the whole thing?
Who are you talking about? India and Pakistan or the two minnows?
If you're talking about the two minnows, it wouldn't ruin the tournament if it did happen but it ruins the tournament because it won't happen, there is not even a slight chance of such being the case. Hence, the point I was making.
In the case of India or Pakistan making it into the Super 8's at least we know both are quality teams, with quality players and are likely to provide far more competitive matches than Ireland and Bangladesh. They are better. Nothing to do with deserving to be there. Not being there is their own fault.
No one's questioning that.
My point means that in the Super 8's stage we're going to get far too many blowout, boring, inevitable result matches. Two minnows making the last 8 is too much but I never mentioned that they didn't deserve to be there.
I'm talking purely from a cricket fan's perspective that many of the games in the Super 8 stage won't be nearly as mouth-watering, entertaining and competitive as they otherwise would have been. And that is a shame.
I can understand people not wanting them in the initial 16 but these teams have shown they deserve to be in the last 8
The point about them not being better than Pakistan and India is valid.
What's going to happen is we're going to get many boring, crap games now with those two teams making it. That is not good for cricket, or the tournament. One making it is possibly good for the tournament, providing that fairytale story type thing, but two progressing? not good, whichever way you look at it.
just as Kenya made the Super 6's last time around.
circumstances allowed for such last time and good on them. there's no way a minnow could or will make the semi-finals under this current system. especially with both starting way behind on NRR and with 0 points. It'd be better off having a Super 6 again and letting those two teams play off for 7th and 8th.
TorresIsGod
25 Mar 2007, 20:30
I don't get your logic.
They are in the Super 8's because they performed better than two countries that were expected to be there
Would it ruin the tounament if they won through to the last 4 or last 2 or won the whole thing?
I can understand people not wanting them in the initial 16 but these teams have shown they deserve to be in the last 8 just as Kenya made the Super 6's last time around.
Kenya lost to India in the Semi Final in 2003
Bermuda to win after Bangladesh have been paid off
Betfair Punter
25 Mar 2007, 23:22
IMHO opinion 15 is a huge price for Bermuda given today's circumstances. Assuming the match will not be influenced by external factors (a very big and niave assumtion I admit) I still think the price is fairly generous. Bangaldesh I'm sure are capable of imploding under ther pressure given the lack of experience in the team and Hemp has the potential to hit a ton given his last knock.
However, it has been widely reported how much sponsors will lose if India go out (est £300m). Bookmakers will also lose literally £billions in turnover if India go out. I doubt the Bangladesh players are financially set up for life and everyone has there price. Bookmakers very rarely and don't like losing out on vast sums of money so I for one will be risking a few quid on a Bermuda "shock".
Betfair Punter
25 Mar 2007, 23:23
only 3 hopes for bermuda, and me http://site.forum.betfair.com/jive3/betex/images/emoticons/sad.gif , today.
pitch needs to be a lottery, uneven bounce, low and slow and turning square for the thin twins...... if its a flat batters dream they got no chance http://site.forum.betfair.com/jive3/betex/images/emoticons/sad.gif
or... bangla crumble under pressure knowing they are a win away from super8s
or.. its a rain reduced match of 30 overs or so which could help even things up a little.
heart wants bermuda to win... head says they wont...... for once i hope my head is wrong http://site.forum.betfair.com/jive3/betex/images/emoticons/wink.gif
Betfair Punter
25 Mar 2007, 23:25
So far in the "battles of the minnows" we've had 1 comfortable win for the favourites (Kenya v Canada), one comfortable win for the underdogs (Holland v Scotland) and one tie (Ireland v Zimbabwe). So this could go either way but the problem is its the strongest minnow against the weakest minnow (on paper!)
spell_check
25 Mar 2007, 23:25
Bangladesh won the toss and Bermuda will be batting 1st.
But there will be a rain delay of some sorts due to drizzle.
red+black
25 Mar 2007, 23:51
So far in the "battles of the minnows" we've had 1 comfortable win for the favourites (Kenya v Canada), one comfortable win for the underdogs (Holland v Scotland) and one tie (Ireland v Zimbabwe). So this could go either way but the problem is its the strongest minnow against the weakest minnow (on paper!)
Considering Scotland have lost all 8 World Cup games they have played, I'd pick the Netherlands over them every time. Scotland just aren't very good in World Cups, be they cricket or soccer!
Betfair Punter
26 Mar 2007, 00:03
Considering Scotland have lost all 8 World Cup games they have played, I'd pick the Netherlands over them every time. Scotland just aren't very good in World Cups, be they cricket or soccer!
or rugby for that matter
Everyone is assumong Bangladesh will win because Bermuda are even more hopeless.
But think about it. Bangladesh have never been under this much pressure - one win away from making the Super 8's and earing credibility as a cricketing nation. And they are the favorites - when was the last time that happened? So they are under very unfamiliar pressure.
Plus - lots of people will be desperate for them to lose and India to make the Super 8's. I expect the Bangladesh players will be offered literally millions to lose, and certain powers within the ICC will turn a blind eye and sidetrack any investigations if they do lose.
So if I was a gambling man I'd have a dollar or two on Bermuda. But if they do win I will know the game is rotten to the core.
Bartram_Class
26 Mar 2007, 00:09
Everyone is assumong Bangladesh will win because Bermuda are even more hopeless.
But think about it. Bangladesh have never been under this much pressure - one win away from making the Super 8's and earing credibility as a cricketing nation. And they are the favorites - when was the last time that happened? So they are under very unfamiliar pressure.
Plus - lots of people will be desperate for them to lose and India to make the Super 8's. I expect the Bangladesh players will be offered literally millions to lose, and certain powers within the ICC will turn a blind eye and sidetrack any investigations if they do lose.
So if I was a gambling man I'd have a dollar or two on Bermuda. But if they do win I will know the game is rotten to the core.
If Bermuda win, cricket is ****ed.
And the WC should and would be abandoned.
or rugby for that matter
They do, however, turn it on when it gets to Elephant Polo...
cult_hero26
26 Mar 2007, 00:45
Plus - lots of people will be desperate for them to lose and India to make the Super 8's. I expect the Bangladesh players will be offered literally millions to lose, and certain powers within the ICC will turn a blind eye and sidetrack any investigations if they do lose.
So if I was a gambling man I'd have a dollar or two on Bermuda. But if they do win I will know the game is rotten to the core.[/quote]
- The game hasn't even begun and you're starting the conspiracy theories...
red+black
26 Mar 2007, 01:19
If Bermuda win, cricket is ****ed.
And the WC should and would be abandoned.
agreed
red+black
26 Mar 2007, 01:26
Everyone is assumong Bangladesh will win because Bermuda are even more hopeless.
But think about it. Bangladesh have never been under this much pressure - one win away from making the Super 8's and earing credibility as a cricketing nation. And they are the favorites - when was the last time that happened? So they are under very unfamiliar pressure.
I hear what you're saying but Bangladesh has been pretty good lately, with many wins against Zimbabwe, Scotland, Kenya and also Bermuda.
Bermuda have only won 5 ODIs, 3 over Canada, 1 each over Scotland and Holland.
Bermuda will make Bangladesh look good.
If it keeps raining then any corruption would have to be a hell of a lot less subtle.
danzan22
26 Mar 2007, 01:33
Covers are off and its apparently stopped raining.
First over wicket to the Bangers.
If there is match fixing, they might prove to be worse at losing than they are at winning.
Mind you, if you were told to lose, you wouldn’t feel overly comfortable defying such instructions given what has happened so far, would you.
Raining again.
Now that the game has actually started, will it go into tomorrow, or will a NR be declared?
Raining again.
Now that the game has actually started, will it go into tomorrow, or will a NR be declared?
Each team has to have 25 overs for it to be finished today.
Otherwise we play gain tomorrow.
Its raining again now and a result today seems unlikely at this stage.
I stand corrected, 20 overs ia ll that is needed for a game.
More rain has reduced it to a 21 over game, but the only hope Bangladesh have is if it is fully washed out.
5/56 atm.
They are not out of it Bermuda, IF the Banglas haven't played T20 before and Bermuda get some extra runs because of the Rain break then 6 an over might be a struggle, or they'll get them off 12 overs.
They only need 95 to win from 21 overs.
Shouldn't be to much of a struggle.
if they can't win this then they don't deserve to be in the super eights, but i fully expect them to win.
dan warna
26 Mar 2007, 09:36
Extras 4b, 0lb, 3nb, 13wd 20 ... tait was subbing for the bermudans?