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EagleMan87
6 Apr 2007, 02:36
Hey all, I figured I'd intrude on your peaceful abode and express my thoughts.
Your young team is one of the best in the comp. Despite(or perhaps because of) all the big names leaving last year, you still manage to improve. I just want to voice my thoughts and register your's on who you love the most.
Moody; 21, pick 23 in 2003, awesome player, will be a gun
Wood; 20, pick 18 in 2004, will be the next Dean Cox if he can get his fitness up to that level. Absolute gun tap ruckman.
Adcock; 22, pick 33 in 2003, great backman, like a less sublime but more accountable Wirrapanda.
Sherman; 20, pick 45 in 2004, what more needs to be said? Great midfielder who loves a goal.
Merret: 22, pick 30 in 2002, great backman, like Quinten Lynch but better reading of the ball at that age.
Stiller: 21, Rookie listed:eek: , christ, how'd this guy slip through the cracks? awesome around the ground, knows where to get it.
Begley: 20, Rookie list, another great Irishman joins the AFL, and you lot have the luck(incite) to pick him up.
Rischitelli: 21, pick 61 in 2003, simply awesome last year and continuing that form this year.
Add Drummond, Clarke and Harding to that, plus your draft picks this year, it makes me wonder; How the hell do you do it?! None of those above where even a first round pick and yet they're better than most of Carlton's first rounders...Is it an interstate thing(we have great late picks too) or what?
I still think you won't make the 8 this year, but I think next year will be the start of your finals building stage. Good luck, and I hope we can still beat you lot by then:D
Well, thanks for all the statistical work you put into that post. We spent so many years without top draft picks, I suppose we became good at it.
Things are indeed encouraging, but just like the years in which we did so well, we're not prepared to put a mozz on ourselves by becoming Collingwoodish or Carltonish, and getting too far ahead of ourselves. Probably better than anyone else, we know how hard it is to win the thing your mob won last year.
almqvist
6 Apr 2007, 10:22
begley and stiller were awesome last night. really impressed me.
merret made some good smothers. like the look of wood also, but he never really could keep on his feet could he?! slipped over about 5times while going for a tap..
konstas_87
6 Apr 2007, 10:35
Moody; 21, pick 23 in 2003, awesome player, will be a gun Should be handy very unsure about becoming a 'gun' or not yet.
Wood; 20, pick 18 in 2004, will be the next Dean Cox if he can get his fitness up to that level. Absolute gun tap ruckman.
Agree, the kid is still so young, will be awesome for us.
Adcock; 22, pick 33 in 2003, great backman, like a less sublime but more accountable Wirrapanda.ive never really like wirrpanda, but adcock is easily in our top 5 most important players for the future.
Sherman; 20, pick 45 in 2004, what more needs to be said? Great midfielder who loves a goal.Most promising talent in the side IMO (and i dont mean the brennan kind of talent, i mean talent + workrate = ABSOLUTE champion)
Merret: 22, pick 30 in 2002, great backman, like Quinten Lynch but better reading of the ball at that age.
I must admit im warming to him as a defender, bagged him alot early.
Stiller: 21, Rookie listed:eek: , christ, how'd this guy slip through the cracks? awesome around the ground, knows where to get it.Will be a very strong link in the next generation midfield.
Begley: 20, Rookie list, another great Irishman joins the AFL, and you lot have the luck(incite) to pick him up.Who knows yet really. But he doesnt seem troubled by the pace of the game which is a good sign.
Rischitelli: 21, pick 61 in 2003, simply awesome last year and continuing that form this year. Gun ball winner, gun tackler, hard at the contest, what a star!
I still think you won't make the 8 this yearPretty fair opinion given u dont have maroon tinted glasses on as we all do, the only downfall we have is that if 2-3 of our best 22 get injured (i.e. Bradshaw), it leaves the stocks pretty thin.
EagleMan87
7 Apr 2007, 01:52
Moody; 21, pick 23 in 2003, awesome player, will be a gun Should be handy very unsure about becoming a 'gun' or not yet.
Wood; 20, pick 18 in 2004, will be the next Dean Cox if he can get his fitness up to that level. Absolute gun tap ruckman.
Agree, the kid is still so young, will be awesome for us.
Adcock; 22, pick 33 in 2003, great backman, like a less sublime but more accountable Wirrapanda.ive never really like wirrpanda, but adcock is easily in our top 5 most important players for the future.
Sherman; 20, pick 45 in 2004, what more needs to be said? Great midfielder who loves a goal.Most promising talent in the side IMO (and i dont mean the brennan kind of talent, i mean talent + workrate = ABSOLUTE champion)
Merret: 22, pick 30 in 2002, great backman, like Quinten Lynch but better reading of the ball at that age.
I must admit im warming to him as a defender, bagged him alot early.
Stiller: 21, Rookie listed:eek: , christ, how'd this guy slip through the cracks? awesome around the ground, knows where to get it.Will be a very strong link in the next generation midfield.
Begley: 20, Rookie list, another great Irishman joins the AFL, and you lot have the luck(incite) to pick him up.Who knows yet really. But he doesnt seem troubled by the pace of the game which is a good sign.
Rischitelli: 21, pick 61 in 2003, simply awesome last year and continuing that form this year. Gun ball winner, gun tackler, hard at the contest, what a star!
I still think you won't make the 8 this yearPretty fair opinion given u dont have maroon tinted glasses on as we all do, the only downfall we have is that if 2-3 of our best 22 get injured (i.e. Bradshaw), it leaves the stocks pretty thin.
Don't worry, considering you lot were in your last Grand Final less than 3 years ago, don't be disconcerted by being lower down the ladder, you're on the way back up already, which is astonishing really.
You might even make it this year, I just don't see anyone who you displace yet. I hope you lot prove me wrong though.
Good luck in any game you're not playing us in this year!:D :thumbsu:
Junior55
7 Apr 2007, 02:14
Moody; 21, pick 23 in 2003, awesome player, will be a gun
Wood; 20, pick 18 in 2004, will be the next Dean Cox if he can get his fitness up to that level. Absolute gun tap ruckman.
Adcock; 22, pick 33 in 2003, great backman, like a less sublime but more accountable Wirrapanda.
Sherman; 20, pick 45 in 2004, what more needs to be said? Great midfielder who loves a goal.
Merret: 22, pick 30 in 2002, great backman, like Quinten Lynch but better reading of the ball at that age.
Stiller: 21, Rookie listed:eek: , christ, how'd this guy slip through the cracks? awesome around the ground, knows where to get it.
Begley: 20, Rookie list, another great Irishman joins the AFL, and you lot have the luck(incite) to pick him up.
Rischitelli: 21, pick 61 in 2003, simply awesome last year and continuing that form this year.
Add Drummond, Clarke and Harding to that
Moody- Dont get carried away with Moody just yet has a hell a lot of work to do, Doubt whether he will a 'Gun' In years to come just a solid player. Needs to work on Disposal
Wood- Now he has a huge Future, Great Tap Ruckmen and will give the midfield first use more often than not. Looks the goods considering just hit the 10 game mark.
Adcock- Vital ingredient to the backline loves to run and get the ball but is also extremley accountable and has the ability to shut down small forwards. I see him as a less flashy Chris Johnson in the future as he can fill a role up forward as well.
Sherman- For me he is the one with most talent and works extremley hard. Goalkicking Midfielders are so important these days with numbers dropping back in the forward 50. Great skills, Quick and will become an A Grade midfielder within 3 years
Merrett- Just starting to see the Merrett really having an influence down back, i think this is the position he needs to stay, has the right body size to match up on players like Gehrig, Lynch, Neitz, Hall and he is super quick. will be interesting to see how he goes when the side is struggling a little more than last night.
Stiller- Another impressive recruiting coup through the rookie list, Is a ball magnet as proved last year when he averaged nearly 20 touches in his rookie year. Is really important to midfield depth when Black, Risca, and Power are resting is when he becomes crucial along with other second string midfielders.
Begley- Has started really well and seems to be fitting into the side well and plays an excellent role with continous running and gets a lot of the ball but is still to early to judge him i think.
Rischitelli- In the 5 most important players for the club i think, Has all the attributes at the moment he is the only one in the list that you mentioned will eventually become a superstar IMO. He will start to get some Hard Tags soon and will be good to see how he deals with them.
Sherminator.
8 Apr 2007, 00:16
:cool: I'll compare Sherman and Proud as similar players, only difference would be Proud's more physical approach, he loves kicking goals and has the ability, too.
I am still pretty aggro we didnt get Selwood, but haven't seen Berger play yet, so I don't know. :cool:
Viceregal
11 Apr 2007, 19:13
Wondering ....
If all our young guns continue to fire - and taking into account the retirements to come etc ..... is there a point where we will not be able to afford to keep them all and if so about how far down the track is that (with their $value rising each year))
(this may be an easy question or horribly convoluted one (in which case it probably should have been a new thread) but no idea so asking here first! :) )
TheBrownDog
11 Apr 2007, 20:05
Wondering ....
If all our young guns continue to fire - and taking into account the retirements to come etc ..... is there a point where we will not be able to afford to keep them all and if so about how far down the track is that (with their $value rising each year))
(this may be an easy question or horribly convoluted one (in which case it probably should have been a new thread) but no idea so asking here first! :) )
900k worth of cap space freed up after this year with Vossy's retirement. IMO we should now throw away any notions of poaching another player (sorry St Nick) and focus on keeping our core group of young guns together.
danielcanberra
11 Apr 2007, 20:32
900k worth of cap space freed up after this year with Vossy's retirement. IMO we should now throw away any notions of poaching another player (sorry St Nick) and focus on keeping our core group of young guns together.
What about Lloydy? :D
900k worth of cap space freed up after this year with Vossy's retirement. IMO we should now throw away any notions of poaching another player (sorry St Nick) and focus on keeping our core group of young guns together.
500k or so from Chris Scott, assuming he doesnt play next year.
Gotta LOVETT
11 Apr 2007, 21:34
Rischa was a former student at my college and I can tell you he is very switched on and determined about his football career. Has all the attributes needed to become a star and hopefully comes through.
Quigley
11 Apr 2007, 23:35
900k worth of cap space freed up after this year with Vossy's retirement. IMO we should now throw away any notions of poaching another player (sorry St Nick) and focus on keeping our core group of young guns together.
I agree that there should be a bit of cap space available next year but I would expect some of the contracts are going to be structured to kick up next year after maybe being a bit tight this year.
I agree on the paying what we have and letting them develop. We seem to have most of the holes covered and to have pretty good chemistry. I would be trying to keep the group together and let them develop together. The only proviso is that if someone wants to leave to get playing time I don't have a problem taking Nick back in a trade.
Quigley
11 Apr 2007, 23:42
Moody- Dont get carried away with Moody just yet has a hell a lot of work to do, Doubt whether he will a 'Gun' In years to come just a solid player. Needs to work on Disposal
Wood- Now he has a huge Future, Great Tap Ruckmen and will give the midfield first use more often than not. Looks the goods considering just hit the 10 game mark.
Adcock- Vital ingredient to the backline loves to run and get the ball but is also extremley accountable and has the ability to shut down small forwards. I see him as a less flashy Chris Johnson in the future as he can fill a role up forward as well.
Sherman- For me he is the one with most talent and works extremley hard. Goalkicking Midfielders are so important these days with numbers dropping back in the forward 50. Great skills, Quick and will become an A Grade midfielder within 3 years
Merrett- Just starting to see the Merrett really having an influence down back, i think this is the position he needs to stay, has the right body size to match up on players like Gehrig, Lynch, Neitz, Hall and he is super quick. will be interesting to see how he goes when the side is struggling a little more than last night.
Stiller- Another impressive recruiting coup through the rookie list, Is a ball magnet as proved last year when he averaged nearly 20 touches in his rookie year. Is really important to midfield depth when Black, Risca, and Power are resting is when he becomes crucial along with other second string midfielders.
Begley- Has started really well and seems to be fitting into the side well and plays an excellent role with continous running and gets a lot of the ball but is still to early to judge him i think.
Rischitelli- In the 5 most important players for the club i think, Has all the attributes at the moment he is the only one in the list that you mentioned will eventually become a superstar IMO. He will start to get some Hard Tags soon and will be good to see how he deals with them.
That is a really impressive analysis for someone who is not likely to pay much attention to the Brisbane players week in week out. I agree with virtually all of that and only think you may be selling Stiller a little short. For a guy who has played 14 or so games and been on the scene for a year he has made astonishing progress. Give him a year and the continued development on his weaknesses he has shown early this year and I don't see any second tier about him.
Still great to read your comments and its good to see our own evaluation getting some unbiased support base. When you are a supporter of any team you can easily let your bias cloud your judgement when reviewing your own players.
The D-ROD
11 Apr 2007, 23:57
adcock = fine specimen of a footballer
Dippers_Mullet
12 Apr 2007, 00:16
Well, thanks for all the statistical work you put into that post. We spent so many years without top draft picks, I suppose we became good at it.
Things are indeed encouraging, but just like the years in which we did so well, we're not prepared to put a mozz on ourselves by becoming Collingwoodish or Carltonish, and getting too far ahead of ourselves. Probably better than anyone else, we know how hard it is to win the thing your mob won last year.
What I'd like to know is WHERE they drafted them from, as in Tassy/Brissy etc.
You guys have either been extremely lucky/ extremely scrupulous with your assessment of to-be-drafted players, or a mixture of both; to pull out all these gems.
nigelicious
12 Apr 2007, 01:11
What I'd like to know is WHERE they drafted them from, as in Tassy/Brissy etc.
You guys have either been extremely lucky/ extremely scrupulous with your assessment of to-be-drafted players, or a mixture of both; to pull out all these gems.
Going from the Record:
Moody; South Freo (WA)
Wood; West Adelaide (SA)
Adcock; Maryborough/North Ballarat
Sherman; Clarence (TAS)
Merret: Southport (QLD)
Stiller: Northern Eagles (QLD)
Begley: Ireland
Rischitelli: Keilor (VIC)
Brennan: NT
Clark: East Freo (WA)
beatnik
12 Apr 2007, 02:19
What I'd like to know is WHERE they drafted them from, as in Tassy/Brissy etc.
You guys have either been extremely lucky/ extremely scrupulous with your assessment of to-be-drafted players, or a mixture of both; to pull out all these gems.
they are gems, no doubt, but i believe a few years running around on the park with vossy under the expert direction of lethal leigh would be enough to bring out the best in any young player :thumbsu:
Going from the Record:
Moody; South Freo (WA)
Wood; West Adelaide (SA)
Adcock; Maryborough/North Ballarat
Sherman; Clarence (TAS)
Merret: Southport (QLD)
Stiller: Northern Eagles (QLD)
Begley: Ireland
Rischitelli: Keilor (VIC)
Brennan: NT
Clark: East Freo (WA)
That's pretty amazing... literally everywhere bar NSW/ACT.
Warwick
12 Apr 2007, 11:05
they are gems, no doubt, but i believe a few years running around on the park with vossy under the expert direction of lethal leigh would be enough to bring out the best in any young player :thumbsu:
Exactly.
You can't just draft 30 kids and expect them to fulfil their potential in a couple of years. Our drafting looks a little better than it is at times due to the fact these guys have been learning from some of the best in the business - Vossy, Aker, Black, Power, Nige, Mal, Leppa, Lynchy, and of course Lethal.
That's why I laugh when people bring up the whole "our list is younger than your list". Who gives a damn? The best way for the young guys to develop is to be playing with the guys who have been there and done that at the highest level for many years.
I reckon you can detect a a slight bias against drafting metro Melbourne kids. Rischa the only one, and he was drafted at 61, so no big risk at the time. Adcock and Bunnings are country boys so they'd be closer, but certainly not home.
The metro boys are always the ones with the easiest 'go home' option. Nine clubs potentially making a play for them if they're any good, and a very good chance that a few of them hold the first picks in the PSD, putting the club over a barrel.
At least with guys like Headland, Freo had to cut a deal if they wanted him. If he'd just walked, he'd have gone to the St Kilda from memory.
I reckon you can detect a a slight bias against drafting metro Melbourne kids. Rischa the only one, and he was drafted at 61, so no big risk at the time. Adcock and Bunnings are country boys so they'd be closer, but certainly not home.
The metro boys are always the ones with the easiest 'go home' option. Nine clubs potentially making a play for them if they're any good, and a very good chance that a few of them hold the first picks in the PSD, putting the club over a barrel.
At least with guys like Headland, Freo had to cut a deal if they wanted him. If he'd just walked, he'd have gone to the St Kilda from memory.
Yeah good spotting. I remember now that one of the things going for Brennan was that he was NT, I think Leigh mentioned it at the time, interesting. Bargaining power with WA or SA only having two clubs is a lot less than a Vic kid. Also in my experience Country people seem to be more stable, more adaptable for some reason, have a better work ethic, than their city cousins.
nigelicious
12 Apr 2007, 16:30
I reckon you can detect a a slight bias against drafting metro Melbourne kids. Rischa the only one, and he was drafted at 61, so no big risk at the time. Adcock and Bunnings are country boys so they'd be closer, but certainly not home.
The metro boys are always the ones with the easiest 'go home' option. Nine clubs potentially making a play for them if they're any good, and a very good chance that a few of them hold the first picks in the PSD, putting the club over a barrel.
At least with guys like Headland, Freo had to cut a deal if they wanted him. If he'd just walked, he'd have gone to the St Kilda from memory.
definitely no coincidence. with the loss of our retention allowance, we have to be even more shrewd when recruiting
general mac
13 Apr 2007, 13:57
I am so impressed with the Brisbane Lions footballing culture; and when you compare the culture of this club to the likes of Sydney, who have been given so many more advantages than Brisbane !! Well the Lions just put the Swans recruiting to shame !
I am so impressed with the Brisbane Lions footballing culture; and when you compare the culture of this club to the likes of Sydney, who have been given so many more advantages than Brisbane !! Well the Lions just put the Swans recruiting to shame !
Interestingly, I reckon I could name 15 blokes that Sydney have drafted that could probably take a place in our side.
I don't think they've done too badly for themselves.
Sherminator.
13 Apr 2007, 15:27
That's pretty amazing... literally everywhere bar NSW/ACT.
Good pick up, don't we have a developmental kid in NSW?
LuckyLuke
13 Apr 2007, 15:32
Good pick up, don't we have a developmental kid in NSW?
Doesn't everybody?
Good pick up, don't we have a developmental kid in NSW?
Yep.
Also, Mills is a Northern NSW boy IIRC. Lismore maybe?
TheBrownDog
13 Apr 2007, 15:35
Yep.
Also, Mills is a Northern NSW boy IIRC. Lismore maybe?
Mills is from Lennox Heads in NSW but we drafted him from Southport so he's technically a Qld product.
Ben Fixter is the only NSW boy on our list.
Mills is from Lennox Heads in NSW but we drafted him from Southport so he's technically a Qld product.
I've always wondered about this. I believe Alice mostly lived in NSW when he played for Southport, only moving into a caravan in Queensland so that he was closer to training for u/18s.
Is he a Queensland product because he was drafted from a Queensland club in the AFLQ? Or is he a Queensland product because he played Qld u/18s (and what are the eligibility rules there?)? Or is he a Queensland product because, at the time that he was drafted, he was living in some Qld caravan park?
Not that it matters now the retention allowance and zonal concessions are a thing of the past. Just curious.
Lace Out
13 Apr 2007, 15:44
Good pick up, don't we have a developmental kid in NSW?
Steve O'Connor.
His thread shows that he may have played last weekend and that Quigley may have been there