Port Magpies in financial strife!

[raboyle]

The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club is in the financial s**ter!

What's going on? It seems that the move to create the Power has crippled the SANFL club and at best-case scenario will lose $50,000 this year.

"People think that we are indestructable. That is no longer the case."--PAMFC GM Paul Belton

Magpie membership has been cut in half to 2600 with revenue less than $125,000 and sponsors have also halved.

All loyalty has gone to the Power...when a lot of support should be going to the club that helped to put the Power where it is now.

Worst case scenario...the PAMFC will be gone in five years.

Thing is, love them or hate them...you can't have an SANFL without a Port Adelaide in it.

[Macca19]

Yeah it doesnt sound to good by the looks of things. I cant imagine their never being a port magpies. And its true what Belton said...people consider Port to be indestructable and that this sort of problem could never ever occur.

It is a good idea that Port has come out and said it is in a bit of strife....and i think the $2 a week thing is a very clever idea which i would hope most Port supporters (and maybe some opposition supporters) would consider giving the Magpies $2 a week. I mean $2 a week isnt a lot of money at all....its only $104 a year. The survival campaign goal is to get 2000 people to give Port $2 a week....which i think is a makeable target.....that would then give Port $208,000 which would be an enormous help.

It says in the article that the $2 is direct debited from yoru credit card....so seeing as i dont have a credit card i dont think i can do that....but ill be enquiring whether the direct debit can be taken out of my bank account instead. I might even buy another membership or 2.

I dont think anyone would want to see Port fold....even the people who hate Port for a living

[Blues_Brat]

Beat me to it raboyle, was just reading the article in the Advertiser.

My first reaction was "good" and "let 'em die", because that was their reaction when we were on the precipice.. but I held back. It wouldn't make me any better.

A competition without Port Adelaide would be disastrous, imagine not having the joy of beating them. Where would the incentive go if there wasn't the opportunity of the ultimate joy of defeating them in the Grand Final?

What is going on down there? I thought they were set for all time the way they were talking when they entered the AFL. I think the quote was 'the future of the PAFC is assured, there will always be a PAFC as long as there is football'. Perhaps it is true, there will always be a PAFC.. but what about the PAMFC? I think they have been forgotten in the push to be in the AFL. How would Port supporters feel if the only option was to shut up shop in the SANFL and concentrate on its AFL operation?

Obviously supporters funds are spread too thin, very few people can actually afford to be members of both clubs, membership is down. It is the same thing that happened to the other SANFL clubs when the Crows came into being. Tim Ginever's plan is interesting, deduct money from people's credit cards. I'm sure household budgets are taking enough of a battering as it is. It doesn't sound like much but it all adds up.

Having a fire sale doesn't help in the long run. Realising assets in the absence of cash flow starts a downward spiral that it is hard to get out of. Sturt used to be a very rich club asset wise, but 20-30 years ago when player payments started to rise, the first reaction was to sell the assets, a policy that nearly killed us. We no longer even own the club rooms that we built.

I certainly wont be putting my hand in my pocket to help them, so all I can say is "good luck".. you may need it.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Blues_Brat
How would Port supporters feel if the only option was to shut up shop in the SANFL and concentrate on its AFL operation?


Not happy at all

[sapaul]

Hehe, Cornesy on 5AA tonight wanted to have a 1 minutes silence, K.G wouldn't let him.When Sturt, South, North were all in similar predicaments several years ago, were they on the back page of the Advertiser? Not that I recall, the ferals will get out of this one.

[Port Adelaide 1870]

it is inevitable...and they should never have been formed to replace the Port Adelaide Football club " The Magpies" now "Power" in the SANFL. When Port Adelaide left the SANFL to jpoin the AFL the SANFL insisted a Magpie type club with the name Port Adelaide should still be a part of the SANFL....

The Problem with that is there are only so many Port supporters, the ones with the Money went to watch Port in the AFL leaving a handful to follow the newly formed Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club in the SANFL....a sad state of affairs


the average Port supporter will make up his mind with the original true Port Adelaide Est in 1870 " the Power "

the icon followers will follow the old logo running around Alberton in the SANFL...Dont get me wrong...I enjoy watching the PAMFC running around in the PAFC's old guernseys and colours, it brings back memories of when we won all those premieraships in the SANFL...but that all finished in 1997 when we discarded the Magpie logo and added teal and silver to our guernsey..

Even though my son plays for the PAMFC...I cant keep up the Finance flow to the PAMFC at the expense of the club Ive followed all my life...The Port Adelaide Football Club formerly the Magpies, now the POWER ... It is simply too expensive.

I'd love for there to still be a Magpie type club in the SANFL, but not at the expense of Port Adelaide ( the Power)..If all the supporters of the other SANFL clubs want a Magpies entity to beat in the SANFL.....chip in and save them..

I'll throw in my ten cents worth.Goodluck PAMFC.

just for interests sake...I smell something fishy about the whole affair.......


Go Ports !!!!!

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870
I cant keep up the Finance flow to the PAMFC at the expense of the club Ive followed all my life...The Port Adelaide Football Club formerly the Magpies, now the POWER ... It is simply too expensive.


$40 for a membership isnt all that expensive

[Uncle Steve]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870
it is inevitable...and they should never have been formed to replace the Port Adelaide Football club " The Magpies" now "Power" in the SANFL.

[etc, etc, ad nauseam.]

Was that post really concerned about the Magpies, or was it just a thin excuse to post reams of "The AFL Port is the real Port" rhetoric?

Doesn't the emperor look splendid in his new clothes?

[Uncle Steve]

It's a non-issue, folks.

Port is suffering largely 'coz of the cotenancy agreement with the smears. The Magpies draws it's share of the crowds but the smears take the profits.

Also it seems some realities about the AFL pipedream are finally coming home to roost. For every dyed-in-the-wool supporter who would follow the Maggies to the grave there are several more who wouldn't.

Nevertheless it's a non-issue. The rattling of the tins currently being done in the media will generate enough interest to keep the club afloat. It has already taken the initiative of playing home matches at Adelaide (which ironically will decrease the take in the clubrooms after the match - and even more ironically will hurt the smears, not the Magpies) to increase revenue. A bit of long term planning like securing a social club/pokies venue where it can keep all of the profit wouldn't go astray either.

Port has been there before. It came close to going under in the mid-80s and was one of four clubs to be in a poor financial position by the end of that decade. This time around it has been wise enough to see the warning signs and act well in advance of any crisis. Anything is possible - but I doubt the club will get remotely close to being in trouble.

[Ford Fairlane]

Originally posted by sapaul
Hehe, Cornesy on 5AA tonight wanted to have a 1 minutes silence, K.G wouldn't let him.When Sturt, South, North were all in similar predicaments several years ago, were they on the back page of the Advertiser? Not that I recall, the ferals will get out of this one.

Yeah well that tells me a lot more about the twisted, disfigured psyche of Cornes when it comes to Port than anything else. Too many merciless crushings at the hands of the Maggies in Grand Finals the obvious cause there. Not to mention the severe cortical damage he's sustained from a thyroid gland hyperactivated by the sight of Dave Granger coming towards him on a football field. "Fight or Flight?" "Fight or Flight?" ... ohhhh maybe if I just crumple to the ground he won't hurt me ... sob sob ....

Now, about other teams publicity. Either you have a very hazy and selective memory or you weren't paying much attention. The proposed Sturt/North merger a few years back garnered a huge amount of publicity in the Tiser. Back page articles about the financial implications, fish eye lens shots of the crowds gathered at Unley to listen to whichever ancient Sturt premiership player was dragged out of his sarcophagus to extol the virtues of a Sturt unfettered by North , yada yada yada. Plenty of coverage, don't worry.

If for no other reason the extremely strong and extremely active old private school tie network of Adelaide would ensure maximum publicity for the old scholars of Sturt.

As for South, their problems usually emanate from the avaricious advances of their neighbours the Bays who are forever casting their beady, greedy eyes over the vast potential of that expansive southern zone. The problem with South is, it took them forever to break their ties with a largely unsuccessful past (alright they did ok in the 1800s in a 3 team competition) to actually get around to working that area to try and create a sense of community football club that Central Districts have so successfully done. But given the strength of the ties of the regional leagues down south, they still have some work to do.

So have your fun and blast away, try to convince yourselves of your moral superiority - oh we care when they never did - but remember as Uncle Steve pointed out, we went through this scenario in the mid 80s, and I think we all know the nightmare for other clubs that grew out of that!!!

[sapaul]

Typical Port supporter condoning what Granger did, Granger was a thug who deserves to rot in hell.

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by sapaul
Hehe, Cornesy on 5AA tonight wanted to have a 1 minutes silence, K.G wouldn't let him.When Sturt, South, North were all in similar predicaments several years ago, were they on the back page of the Advertiser? Not that I recall, the ferals will get out of this one.

Actually you *******, those teams were splattered over every newpaper of the times. Sturt, especially, was given immense media coverage in television, radio and print mediums. You may have a hatred for Port Adelaide, but the competition will be second-rate without us. Yes, I have an inflated view of our importance, but as has been mentioned earlier, can you really imagine the SANFL without us? I know some will say yes, but that is just initial stupid reactions from people like this sapaul fool, not real supporters who look forward to the competition, admiration and hatred that playing against the Magpies instills in you all.
One thing you are correct on safool is that we will come out of this, and I would bet that we'll wind up in a stronger position than before...............and I hope it really pisses you off.

My $2 is on its way.

[sapaul]

Calm down.

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by sapaul
Calm down.

No. You come here and post this stuff about Port then I'm going to fire up. I would never post anything which even hinted at pleasure from another teams demise and not expect that teams fans to come out all guns blazing.

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Macca19


$40 for a membership isnt all that expensive

5 kids at home all playing competitive sport,
uniforms, fees, transport, school, school fees, clothes, etc etc etc...Plus all wanting to go to football every week to watch Port in the AFL ( when they are in town )...

Macca...it aint expensive when you are young and care free or have a reasonable professional salary, or a profitable business, however Joe average finds $40.00 pretty hard to find..especially when 4 sets of football boots are required...!

Kindest regards
PA1870

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Uncle Steve


Was that post really concerned about the Magpies, or was it just a thin excuse to post reams of "The AFL Port is the real Port" rhetoric?

Doesn't the emperor look splendid in his new clothes?


1. Errr yes it was.

2. I've followed a Magpie Icon emblem thingy in the SANFL all my life, however it is not the same thing any more .The sadness of watching a Port Magpies Club selling off assets bought over the century by the Port Adelaide Football Club is quite heart breaking..and to watch what is happening to the Legacy left in the SANFL by Port Adelaide go down the gurgler the way it is...is quite sad.. Real Port Adelaide or not Uncle Steve...Port Adelaide are now in the AFL, the local Magpies are in deep strifeThe Aura that once existed when Port were in the SANFL simply doesnt exist any more...The Port Magpies are now a Sturt or a North or a Glenelg i.e. little support, virtually no corporate support and relying on tin rattling and begging to maintain their facade.

3. Hey..I am not putting them down..I am simply pointing out the reality factor...Of course it hurts..as I said My son plays for them and I'd hate to see The PortMagpies FC dissapear,However if there would be any factor that weighed against the PAFC est 1870( the Power) from the PortMagpies FC...I would have no hesitation in snipping the rope.

4. I grew up around Alberton, I loved the SANFL with a passion, I am a Historian with passionate ties to all clubs...but Port replect the syndrome affecting all of Adelaide these days.....

Social Welfare city!


regards

PA1870
No offences intended to any reader of this post, Its just my perspective.

[Port Adelaide 1870]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Uncle Steve
[B]

Was that post really concerned about the Magpies, or was it just a thin excuse to post reams of "The AFL Port is the real Port" rhetoric?



My last post started of by saying

1. Err, yes it was...



That is ,my reply was concerned about the Port MagpiesFC.

Cheers

PA1870

[mud n blood]

I would hate to think anyone here would take any pleasure out of any football club disappearing. Whether it be Port - a traditional long-serving SANFL power, Peel Thunder - a new club struggling in a p!ss-poor economy, South Sydney in the NRL, or our own Mayne Tigers up here in Bris-vegas .... my passion for all things football and traditional will always be the over-riding factor.

Yes - I do follow Port down there. Up here I always followed (and played for) Coorparoo .... Dunstall's old club. Well my friends, my beloved Coorparoo disappeared the season before our whole QAFL comp died in the arse. Why - because it wasn't the same without the traditional 8 (and 10 from 1983) clubs.

To follow was Mayne being kicked out, Sandgate and Windsor-Zillmere merging, Kedron and Wilston-Grange merging, Sherwood folding then re-appearing for a merge with Western Districts .... the obituary goes on !!!

Now, we only have Morningside as the only club still in the same QAFL (now AFLQ) competition as the great one up to 1982. Okay, we have merged entities and Southport, and the Lions Reserves, and 4 powerhouse "lower-division" clubs now promoted. Big deal.

Make no mistake - you want NO clubs to disappear in any form. Nothing is the same afterwards, and there is no going back !!!

:mad:

And that's my $2 worth .......

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870


5 kids at home all playing competitive sport,
uniforms, fees, transport, school, school fees, clothes, etc etc etc...Plus all wanting to go to football every week to watch Port in the AFL ( when they are in town )...

Macca...it aint expensive when you are young and care free or have a reasonable professional salary, or a profitable business, however Joe average finds $40.00 pretty hard to find..especially when 4 sets of football boots are required...!

Kindest regards
PA1870

fair enough

[dreamkillers]

Originally posted by Uncle Steve
It's a non-issue, folks.

Port is suffering largely 'coz of the cotenancy agreement with the smears. The Magpies draws it's share of the crowds but the smears take the profits.

Also it seems some realities about the AFL pipedream are finally coming home to roost. For every dyed-in-the-wool supporter who would follow the Maggies to the grave there are several more who wouldn't.

Nevertheless it's a non-issue. The rattling of the tins currently being done in the media will generate enough interest to keep the club afloat. It has already taken the initiative of playing home matches at Adelaide (which ironically will decrease the take in the clubrooms after the match - and even more ironically will hurt the smears, not the Magpies) to increase revenue. A bit of long term planning like securing a social club/pokies venue where it can keep all of the profit wouldn't go astray either.

Port has been there before. It came close to going under in the mid-80s and was one of four clubs to be in a poor financial position by the end of that decade. This time around it has been wise enough to see the warning signs and act well in advance of any crisis. Anything is possible - but I doubt the club will get remotely close to being in trouble.

I wouldn't quite call it a non issue but at least they have come out long before the death rattle is at the door.

In regards to going through this before it has actually happened a couple of times over the last 30 years......

In the 70's when there was a disagreement with the council over payments for using Alberton Oval which at the time was owned by the council and we played our home games at Adelaide Oval. In those days the council owned virtually everything there and part of the resolution was the council selling off all of Alberton Oval and associated assets to the Magpies for a very small token amount in the years after this dispute to ensure the clubs survival.

The second and more serious time was in the early-mid 80's when our bank's headquarters in Sydney wanted the doors shut on the club but no-one from Adelaide was prepared to do that to the club and by the time the big boys from Sydney came over a rescue package from the council, local businesses and supporters overcame the financial crisis.

This will be a test to those followers out there that claim to support both Port Adelaide clubs and can afford to help out. Luckily we're not quite in the league of what Sturt and a couple of other clubs got to in the 90's and it is wise of the club to come out now instead of the last minute.

The club put together a group of influential financial and business members earlier this year to plan on ensuring the long term survival of the club. This has resulted in the car park and offices across from Alberton being put on the market as Alberton Oval and all of it's assets were sold/transferred to the Power when it came into being.

This was orchestrated by those former Magpie board members that are now on the Power board/management and was a requirement of the SANFL and AFL for it's entry. The Magpies certainly copped the raw end of the deal when this occurred and as stated in the article if it wasn't for transfer fees paid to the club for players going into the AFL they would have been in trouble long ago.

Even the Outback Oddysey the Magpies set up and was a good money spinner has been taken over by the Power with nothing going to the Magpies in compensation. When Greg Boulton came out and said this ensure there will always be a Port Adelaide Football Club this was in reference to the Power not the Magpies. Lets hope some of the high flyers that went over to the Power remember if it wasn't for this grass roots club there would be no such club in the AFL and put back some of their financial gains into the Magpies.

The campaign by Tim Ginever is another stage in the plan to ensure Port supporters realise that if they don't come out and support the club in anyway they can there will no longer be a club to support.

I agree with you that there are more Port hanger-ons than current died in the wool members and it is these people that the campaign is marketing towards. Even in the glory years during the 70's - 90's it used to amaze me to see the 20,000+ people at our Grand Final celebrations yet at the time our membership numbers were around the 12,000 mark - all clubs have their bandwagon supporters and we certainly have our fair share as well.

As for the Port Club itself it is a joke that even though the club and more-so the pokie area always seems to have plenty of people in it the Magpies are still to see a cent come out of it's 25% share. Due to mis-management and over spending in the past the social club area has been a big let down to the Magpies who were counting on revenue from this part of the club as it provided a good income before the AFL entry. Even the years the Magpies won the Grand Final since the AFL entry the only contribution received from there was on Grand Final nights revenue (and even that was shared) after the Magpies were considering holding all of their celebrations on the oval itself.

A new separate social club or should I say Pokie venue would go a long way towards helping the club out but it will take some planning and time for the club to be in a position to acquire something like this - unless there's a very wealthy Magpie supporter or two about to give the club a nice donation.

The other thing I would like to see although many opposition SANFL clubs, their supporters and the SANFL comission would probably oppose the idea is if our 2 clubs were allowed to be closer together and operate as one club...........as it is in the interests of the long term survival of the SANFL to ensure there is a Port Adelaide Football Club in it's competition.


Finally all I would say to fellow Port supporters is to get behind your club anyway you can (any financial support no matter how little is better than none at all) as it would be a sad day for the 'greatest football club in the land' as we see it to no longer exist and would result in a huge black mark on Port Adelaide Football Club Inc and SANFL in the eyes of many long term Port Adelaide supporters.


PS....Macca don't worry about buying a second membership.....just do a straight donation to the club as I will be doing as well as signing up for Tim's campaign..........

Go Port

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by dreamkillers


I wouldn't quite call it a non issue but at least they have come out long before the death rattle is at the door.

In regards to going through this before it has actually happened a couple of times over the last 30 years......

In the 70's when there was a disagreement with the council over payments for using Alberton Oval which at the time was owned by the council and we played our home games at Adelaide Oval. In those days the council owned virtually everything there and part of the resolution was the council selling off all of Alberton Oval and associated assets to the Magpies for a very small token amount in the years after this dispute to ensure the clubs survival.

The second and more serious time was in the early-mid 80's when our bank's headquarters in Sydney wanted the doors shut on the club but no-one from Adelaide was prepared to do that to the club and by the time the big boys from Sydney came over a rescue package from the council, local businesses and supporters overcame the financial crisis.

This will be a test to those followers out there that claim to support both Port Adelaide clubs and can afford to help out. Luckily we're not quite in the league of what Sturt and a couple of other clubs got to in the 90's and it is wise of the club to come out now instead of the last minute.

The club put together a group of influential financial and business members earlier this year to plan on ensuring the long term survival of the club. This has resulted in the car park and offices across from Alberton being put on the market as Alberton Oval and all of it's assets were sold/transferred to the Power when it came into being.

This was orchestrated by those former Magpie board members that are now on the Power board/management and was a requirement of the SANFL and AFL for it's entry. The Magpies certainly copped the raw end of the deal when this occurred and as stated in the article if it wasn't for transfer fees paid to the club for players going into the AFL they would have been in trouble long ago.

Even the Outback Oddysey the Magpies set up and was a good money spinner has been taken over by the Power with nothing going to the Magpies in compensation. When Greg Boulton came out and said this ensure there will always be a Port Adelaide Football Club this was in reference to the Power not the Magpies. Lets hope some of the high flyers that went over to the Power remember if it wasn't for this grass roots club there would be no such club in the AFL and put back some of their financial gains into the Magpies.

The campaign by Tim Ginever is another stage in the plan to ensure Port supporters realise that if they don't come out and support the club in anyway they can there will no longer be a club to support.

I agree with you that there are more Port hanger-ons than current died in the wool members and it is these people that the campaign is marketing towards. Even in the glory years during the 70's - 90's it used to amaze me to see the 20,000+ people at our Grand Final celebrations yet at the time our membership numbers were around the 12,000 mark - all clubs have their bandwagon supporters and we certainly have our fair share as well.

As for the Port Club itself it is a joke that even though the club and more-so the pokie area always seems to have plenty of people in it the Magpies are still to see a cent come out of it's 25% share. Due to mis-management and over spending in the past the social club area has been a big let down to the Magpies who were counting on revenue from this part of the club as it provided a good income before the AFL entry. Even the years the Magpies won the Grand Final since the AFL entry the only contribution received from there was on Grand Final nights revenue (and even that was shared) after the Magpies were considering holding all of their celebrations on the oval itself.

A new separate social club or should I say Pokie venue would go a long way towards helping the club out but it will take some planning and time for the club to be in a position to acquire something like this - unless there's a very wealthy Magpie supporter or two about to give the club a nice donation.

The other thing I would like to see although many opposition SANFL clubs, their supporters and the SANFL comission would probably oppose the idea is if our 2 clubs were allowed to be closer together and operate as one club...........as it is in the interests of the long term survival of the SANFL to ensure there is a Port Adelaide Football Club in it's competition.


Finally all I would say to fellow Port supporters is to get behind your club anyway you can (any financial support no matter how little is better than none at all) as it would be a sad day for the 'greatest football club in the land' as we see it to no longer exist and would result in a huge black mark on Port Adelaide Football Club Inc and SANFL in the eyes of many long term Port Adelaide supporters.


PS....Macca don't worry about buying a second membership.....just do a straight donation to the club as I will be doing as well as signing up for Tim's campaign..........

Go Port


Go Port !!!

PA1870

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane


Yeah well that tells me a lot more about the twisted, disfigured psyche of Cornes when it comes to Port than anything else. Too many merciless crushings at the hands of the Maggies in Grand Finals the obvious cause there. Not to mention the severe cortical damage he's sustained from a thyroid gland hyperactivated by the sight of Dave Granger coming towards him on a football field. "Fight or Flight?" "Fight or Flight?" ... ohhhh maybe if I just crumple to the ground he won't hurt me ... sob sob ....

Now, about other teams publicity. Either you have a very hazy and selective memory or you weren't paying much attention. The proposed Sturt/North merger a few years back garnered a huge amount of publicity in the Tiser. Back page articles about the financial implications, fish eye lens shots of the crowds gathered at Unley to listen to whichever ancient Sturt premiership player was dragged out of his sarcophagus to extol the virtues of a Sturt unfettered by North , yada yada yada. Plenty of coverage, don't worry.

If for no other reason the extremely strong and extremely active old private school tie network of Adelaide would ensure maximum publicity for the old scholars of Sturt.

As for South, their problems usually emanate from the avaricious advances of their neighbours the Bays who are forever casting their beady, greedy eyes over the vast potential of that expansive southern zone. The problem with South is, it took them forever to break their ties with a largely unsuccessful past (alright they did ok in the 1800s in a 3 team competition) to actually get around to working that area to try and create a sense of community football club that Central Districts have so successfully done. But given the strength of the ties of the regional leagues down south, they still have some work to do.

So have your fun and blast away, try to convince yourselves of your moral superiority - oh we care when they never did - but remember as Uncle Steve pointed out, we went through this scenario in the mid 80s, and I think we all know the nightmare for other clubs that grew out of that!!!

you are a moron. Condoning what that thug did , well they say what goes around comes around and the article on him in the paper a few weeks ago proves that theory. sweet justice

[raboyle]

Well...if Timmy ever comes in to my workplace again in the near future, I hope he is carrying a tin.

I'll pitch in...in the interest of keeping Port in, having the pleasure of seeing Centrals winning against them in the future and because I am just a local footy nut.

I mean...what is the SANFL without Port Adelaide?

A bit boring.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by eastaugh36


you are a moron. Condoning what that thug did

That shows how much of a moron you really are. Show me where he condones what Granger did???

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Macca19


That shows how much of a moron you really are. Show me where he condones what Granger did???

it is obvious he condones it. He is obviously on grangers side as he is making a hell of a joke about cornes. I would love to see that peanut in cornes shoes on that disgraceful day

[Macca19]

Originally posted by eastaugh36


it is obvious he condones it. He is obviously on grangers side as he is making a hell of a joke about cornes. I would love to see that peanut in cornes shoes on that disgraceful day

It isnt obvious he is condoning it at all
I dont think anyone at all condoned what happened. Stop trying to look for things that arent there just so you can have another whinge and sook about port adelaide

[dreamkillers]

Originally posted by eastaugh36


it is obvious he condones it. He is obviously on grangers side as he is making a hell of a joke about cornes. I would love to see that peanut in cornes shoes on that disgraceful day


How about sticking to the subject of this thread........the saga of Granger and Cornes has been played out many times before - if you'd like to continue please start up another thread..........
:mad:




The subject of this thread is much more imporant.........the future of a football club and just as importantly the SANFL......

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Macca19


It isnt obvious he is condoning it at all
I dont think anyone at all condoned what happened. Stop trying to look for things that arent there just so you can have another whinge and sook about port adelaide

I respect Port Adelaide.......the magpies...... as a club. Their ability to win flag after flag and come back from staring defeat in the eye more times than any club I know of in games makes me respect them its just some of their supporters like Ford Fairlane who I dislike

[sapaul]

First paragraph where he has a go at Cornes pretty much indicates he condones it.

[Ford Fairlane]

Well, well, well ... turn my back for 5 minutes and here I am being called "moron", "peanut", told I'm "disliked" by people whose opinions I value so highly,and who obviously know me so well, they can judge my opinions on the basis of a paragraph written on a message board.

I actually wasn't going to dignify the childish name calling with a response, but then I figured that would be doing a disservice to the Port supporters who stood up for me ... and thanks for that guys.:cool:

I also agree with Dreamkillers that this is not the place to degenerate this discussion into a Granger v Cornes thread. It was 20 years ago and it's been done to death. The reason I raised it? Cornes takes great delight in taking the p!ss from Port supporters and clearly this so called sport provides high entertainment to others ... such as sapaul who couldn't wait to post it on this thread. I for one am sick to death of Cornes's baiting of Port supporters which he uses as his cover for his favourite past time of Port bashing. The easiest way to tip a bucket of cold water on that? Mention David Granger. Guaranteed howls of protest and distraction from the topic at hand. And yes I don't have to listen to KG & C ... and guess what? I don't. I stopped listening to that particular radio show several years ago. But when people feel the need to wave this rubbish in my face, I feel the need to respond.

Now let's get around to the crux of this response. Do I condone what Granger did to Cornes? - seeing as this has become a macabre fixation for a couple of you ... well this is the funny thing ... there is nothing to condone. If you ever closely saw the "incident" in question (and yes I was there that day) and if you've ever actually listened to Cornes's reminisces of that day, basically any contact at that point was incidental and Cornes milked it for all it was worth. And that was the precise reason I chose that incident. So scurry off to your dictionaries now and look up the word "irony". I guess then you'll have to tell me what it means, seeing as I'm a "moron".

Now a question for you guys. Which football clubs do you follow? You're both pretty quick to throw the word "thug" around, so I'm guessing your highly developed sensitivities to the nobility of the game would extend to your own football clubs. Easty I understand you're a Bay, so I'm guessing you're pretty proud of the contributions of the Phillis brothers, Holst, the Stringer brothers, Salisbury to name a few to the good name of SA football? Sapaul, let us all know and I'm sure I can list a few fine gentlemen from whichever club you follow too.

Yes Dave was a bad man on the footy field ... but he had a saying back then "You give it out, you cop it, and you never squeal". And he didn't. And I think to pull out that trite "What goes around comes around" argument to justify his current situation says something about the pettiness and vindictiveness of others which deserves far more comment than what I had to say.

Sorry about all of that Dreamkillers, but the actual thread on the continued presence of Port Adelaide in the SANFL can now resume.:D

[dreamkillers]

OK....to ensure this thread stays on the topic I've started a new thread......

Thugs in the SANFL........ heres a link to it......

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31500

Please continue the topic on that thread and lets stick to the original topic in this one.

[Ford Fairlane]

Originally posted by dreamkillers
OK....to ensure this thread stays on the topic I've started a new thread......

Thugs in the SANFL........ heres a link to it......

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31500

Please continue the topic on that thread and lets stick to the original topic in this one.

And to help keep it on track, here's some good news. I've just heard that applications for Magpies membership through the website have increased from 1/month to 10/day since the announcement ... admittedly it's only a short time but let's hope it keeps ticking over!!!:D

[dreamkillers]

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane


And to help keep it on track, here's some good news. I've just heard that applications for Magpies membership through the website have increased from 1/month to 10/day since the announcement ... admittedly it's only a short time but let's hope it keeps ticking over!!!:D

Very good news.....I've been pestering some friends and family members who have always followed but never been members and they have all said they will be signing up. I've also passed on the details to the 100 odd people on our Port Adelaide Top End Supporters Group here in the NT.

My brother in law in Adelaide was another who had followed them for years, could name most players in the last 20 years but had never been a financial member. He has now joined up and also came up with the idea of taking out memberships in the name of all his footy supporting mates no matter what club they follow.


I got the letter from Tim in the mail today and thought I would post the details here to give people some more understanding of what this is really about.........


Dear supporter,

The Magpies need our help and I need your help!

Our club no longer had the capacity to raise funds like it once did. To try keep up with Centrals, Norwood and the others we have been forced to find new ways of making ends meet. The move to Adelaide Oval for three games this season is one example.

We must stay competitive on the field. We must give our players and Stephen Williams the very best environment to win a Premiership. Sure, we know the Magpies find it tougher than the rest financially because we are sharing a supporter, membership and sponsor base with the power. BUT NO LONGER CAN WE LET THE OTHER CLUBS GET AHEAD OF US FINANCIALLY. I was amazed to learn we are now the lowest spending Club in the SANFL.

I want to help my club and I need your assistance. I can not get to as many Magpie games as I would like but I remain very passionate to the cause. I know together we can save our great Club and get back on the path to Premiership success. For much less than what you would spend on a paper each day, together we will make a real difference to the future of our great Club.

After discussions with the Club's Board they have agreed to assist me in setting up a "True Believers' Fund" to help raise the dollars needed to esnure we not only survive in the SANFL but continue to be the dominant force.

We can not hope to generate the same dollars other footy communities can through the normal methods. How would any other SANFL Club go if their supporters and sponsors had to support two Clubs? We both know the answer to that question. I need your help. By making a one off contribution or a donation every month through your credit card we can put the Magpies back on a path of financial security and give the support Stephen Williams and the team deserves.

EVERY CENT RAISED THROUGH THE TRUE BELIEVERS' CAMPAIGN WILL BE USED TO FURTHER THE CLUB'S FOOTBALL OPERATIONS, EITHER IN RECRUITING OR THE PURCHASE OF MUCH NEEDED PLAYER EQUIPMENT.

Please fill in the enclosed form and fax or return it freepost today. Any size donation will be valued and put to a great cause. By sticking together, we the Magpies will continue to march onwards to victory.

Regards

Tim Ginever


Details can also be found at the club site on the following link

$2 for Survival (http://www.portmagpies.com.au/latest_news/survival.asp)

For any non members out there who would like to help you can contact the club on 1800 241 022 or send donations or requests for membership to:-

PAMC True Believers Fund
58 Port Road
ALBERTON SA 5014


Mine's already on the way back with a one off donation and a monthly deduction........

I'm sure most of us know of some Port followers that could do more to support the club.......these are the ones we need to ensure understand that they need to get behind our great club to continue to enjoy our success.


Go Port.......

[Satay Mat]

I have a small concern with this approach.

I will state up front that I have 3 magpies memberships (myself and by 4 y.o. and 1 y.o. children....even though they do not know what a magpie or Australian Rules is....plenty of time) and none of us are ever likely to go to a game in the near future.

We have a structural problem in revenue over expenses. It seems we are tin rattling...physically or virtually, to make ends meet. My problem is that tin rattling is not a sustainable ongoing venture. People will give now.....but what about next year, and the year after and so on ??? Tim says the money will be used in recruitment....so we get $1M and go and snare Wayne Carey....what do we do next year ? We are using "one off" funds to fund ongoing expenditure.

What we needto do is increase our sustainable sources of income. The best source of income we have is selling junior players to AFL clubs. So I support fund raising if the funds are used for structurally changing our junior development program (talent scouts etc) to better identify and secure kids which we can develop and sell. But raising funds to pay Brayden Lyle's salary for next year is short sighted and not sustainable.

I will give and continue to give but I have my concerns.


Satay Mat

[dreamkillers]

Originally posted by Satay Mat
I have a small concern with this approach.

I will state up front that I have 3 magpies memberships (myself and by 4 y.o. and 1 y.o. children....even though they do not know what a magpie or Australian Rules is....plenty of time) and none of us are ever likely to go to a game in the near future.

We have a structural problem in revenue over expenses. It seems we are tin rattling...physically or virtually, to make ends meet. My problem is that tin rattling is not a sustainable ongoing venture. People will give now.....but what about next year, and the year after and so on ??? Tim says the money will be used in recruitment....so we get $1M and go and snare Wayne Carey....what do we do next year ? We are using "one off" funds to fund ongoing expenditure.

What we needto do is increase our sustainable sources of income. The best source of income we have is selling junior players to AFL clubs. So I support fund raising if the funds are used for structurally changing our junior development program (talent scouts etc) to better identify and secure kids which we can develop and sell. But raising funds to pay Brayden Lyle's salary for next year is short sighted and not sustainable.

I will give and continue to give but I have my concerns.


Satay Mat

As stated in an earlier post the club has put together a group of business people to look at the long term finances of the club. Tim's effort is only a small part of this process and has two aims in an injection of cash into the club and to raise the membership levels by getting more of the followers behind the club. More initiatives will be announced during the year to ensure the long term survival

In regard to player transfer fees all SANFL clubs have been receiving less in recent years due to the success of the National Under 18's competition the AFL put in place a number of years ago with the money now being shared by many clubs across the country (and in particular Victoria given their bigger population). Just look at the drafts over the last couple of years to see where most of the junior players are coming from - the SANFL clubs will always be part of this but not at the high rates of the early 80's.


Our chairman John Bain was on radio last night explaining that in 4-5 years time once the current debts are cleared from the social club upgrade that occurred when the Power re-designed it that there will be an incoimg cash flow to the club from the scoial club.

He also mentioned that Port would love to be able to share the player facility that the Power use which has been prevented by the SANFL and other clubs as a condition of the Power licence - although it is ok for SANFL clubs to use the Crows training facilities - sounds like a bit of a contradiction to me.

Perhaps some in the SANFL will see the light and recognise that there is little benefit to the Magpies by allowing resources to be shared. As us long term Port supporters know the Port Adelaide Football Club is the club playing in the AFL. The club would have loved to have a side playing in the SANFL as well but this was opposed by the SANFL hence the formation of the Port Adelaide Magpies Football club.

Apparently even Graham Cornes agreed with a lot of John Bain's points that a lot of the problems are a result of the restrictions put on the 2 Port clubs having to be separate in everything they do in the running of the clubs. Maybe it's time for some common sense to prevail to ensure the long term future of the Magpies in the SANFL as well as ensuring the long term survival and standard of the SANFL.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Yes Dave was a bad man on the footy field ... but he had a saying back then "You give it out, you cop it, and you never squeal". And he didn't. And I think to pull out that trite "What goes around comes around" argument to justify his current situation says something about the pettiness and vindictiveness of others which deserves far more comment than what I had to say.


very good point. If Scott Salisburys construction business collapsed and i was to say 'what goes around comes around...serves the dirty bastard right' id be called a flaming idiot

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Macca19


very good point. If Scott Salisburys construction business collapsed and i was to say 'what goes around comes around...serves the dirty bastard right' id be called a flaming idiot

It wouldn't be the first time:D

Seriously thouhg - just cause you are willing to take back what you dish out on the field doesn't make it right

Granger from what I have heard - did things unacceptable on a footy field for which he should be criticised

Salisbury certainly did.

Although to use these acts to say misfortune in life after football is warranted is a bit of if a stretch

The justice system will decide if Mr Granger is guilty, and if so, so be it - it really has nothing to do with football.

[smithy]

Just another thought on this subject.
Whilst there is know way I want the maggies to fold, I do have concerns about giving funds to opposition clubs. The reason being is, what if they use these funds I generously donated for a good cause, to get a player from my club.? I certainly wouldn't be happy and I shall give the maggie suporters food for thought as an example. What if in 1990, Sturt where so broke they had an appeal similiar to ports now, "kind hearted" port supporters said we don't want sturt to fold and 150 of them generously donated $2.00 per week for a year, thats $15,000 and by the end of the season they could afford to poach Scott Hodges in his prime, and with all this extra money from nice port supporters, we could give him a wage he couldn't refuse. Would there be some unhappy port fans in that situation,, I think so.

Smithy

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by smithy
Just another thought on this subject.
Whilst there is know way I want the maggies to fold, I do have concerns about giving funds to opposition clubs. The reason being is, what if they use these funds I generously donated for a good cause, to get a player from my club.? I certainly wouldn't be happy and I shall give the maggie suporters food for thought as an example. What if in 1990, Sturt where so broke they had an appeal similiar to ports now, "kind hearted" port supporters said we don't want sturt to fold and 150 of them generously donated $2.00 per week for a year, thats $15,000 and by the end of the season they could afford to poach Scott Hodges in his prime, and with all this extra money from nice port supporters, we could give him a wage he couldn't refuse. Would there be some unhappy port fans in that situation,, I think so.

Smithy

I thought you rated Hodges as a hack?

[smithy]

Can't say I remember saying that, don't know if I would say that about a player who averaged 16 goals a game against us in the early 90's.:cool:

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by smithy
Can't say I remember saying that, don't know if I would say that about a player who averaged 16 goals a game against us in the early 90's.:cool:

Fair enough. :p

[Nod]

Port are not the only club in trouble.
I know of at least one other club that may not last 2 years unless things improve.
Perhaps the board are being very responsible by being proactive well before it is too late ?

A few thoughts for our supporters:

The 15/85 SANFL/AFL Port club split is too harsh on the Magpies. This must be reviewed by the SANFL. As a member of both our SANFL and AFL teams if I spend a $1 at the club I would like the distribution to be determined by Port people and not the SANFL.

Why can't we have joint Power/Magpies membership - like Football Park membership. Category 1 Both, Category 2 Magpies, Category 3 Power. This would save administration costs for both entities

Magpie membership at $40- is very cheap compared to other SANFL clubs. Glenelg costs $80-

Think of the years of joy the Magpies have given us. It is now time to repay them. I have seen my team win 13 premierships - how can you beat that.

It is up to us !!

[smithy]

Originally posted by Nod

The 15/85 SANFL/AFL Port club split is too harsh on the Magpies.

I can 100% assure you that for every $1.00 spent at Unley, Sturt only get 15 cents as well. THis is fact and was the deal struck when we sold our clubrooms. Same sort of situation.

Basically, no pokie profits,, no footy club these days....

[Nod]

Originally posted by smithy


I can 100% assure you that for every $1.00 spent at Unley, Sturt only get 15 cents as well. THis is fact and was the deal struck when we sold our clubrooms. Same sort of situation.

Basically, no pokie profits,, no footy club these days....

Please explain. I thought Sturt still had 100% of the club trade and only sold the building - I could be wrong.

Sturt are a good example - down and almost out but the supporters rallied and saved the club.

[dreamkillers]

Originally posted by Nod
Why can't we have joint Power/Magpies membership - like Football Park membership. Category 1 Both, Category 2 Magpies, Category 3 Power. This would save administration costs for both entities

Think of the years of joy the Magpies have given us. It is now time to repay them. I have seen my team win 13 premierships - how can you beat that.

It is up to us !!

It will be interesting to see if/how the SANFL responds to this but I'm not expecting to see any changes from them in the interests of football.

Agreed it is up to us and I believe the club has come out in advance to ensure we don't go down the drain. The 13 premierships and their subsequent celebrations have certainly been a highlight in my life and there wouldn't be too many footy supporters of other clubs that have seen more in their lifetime.

Although I am jealous of my mother who has seen 22 of a possible 23 premierships during her life so far......... one was missed for her wedding to my father and the funny thing was Port beat West that year and he was converted......:D

[smithy]

The clubrooms where sold before the rally which was a real, real, real mistake. I think we received $1,000,000 for the rooms but could make half of that in profit in 1 year so you work out the bad management for yourself.

Sturt also used to own 80% of the real estate in the Unley/Mitcham area 20 years ago but sold it off and the death of Guy Lloyd was a loss of funds also. I commend the magpies for launching this appeal before selling ALL their assets and having the guts to admitting to financial difficulty.

At Current, Every drink sold during winter and every $ put through the pokies in the Unley clubrooms,not in the ground, Sturt get 15 cents in the dollar.

[Unley Legend]

The difference between this situation with the Magpies, and that of Sturt in '95, is Sturt was less than 5 WEEKS from going under, not 5 years. The quote off an earlier post was "Worst case scenario...the PAMFC will be gone in five years." And it wasn't the first time they ( Sturt ) went to the members for money either.

[Wayde Petersen]

Rivalries are one of the key ingredients in making a great contest, and in the Goulburn Valley Football League up here, powerhouse side, Kyabram found themselves in the same predicament that the Magpies are in now, and I put some money into thier coffers to clear thier debt (around $100,000), and now due to the goodwill of the town, and of other supporters (such as Tatura, my side, which has had a great rivalry against the bombers over the years, and couldn't imagie the GVFL without Ky, a member since the league started in 1894), they're been able to clear thier debt , and are on the slow road to recovery.

Also, in the Diamond Valley Football League, Whittlesea found themselves in the same situation (they have been playing against my side,Mernda since 1904, and in an informal basis since the 1880's), and as much as I hate those pricks (which would be the same feeling amoungst those SANFL supporters, who don't follow Port Adelaide) I couldn't imagine Mernda not playing against them, and I feared that I would miss out on the joy of Mernda beating them on the field.


Rivalries make football interesting, and if that disappeares, there's a empty void in your football following experience that will never be filled, so for the SANFL's sake, dig deep for this proud club.

[Blues_Brat]

Originally posted by Unley Legend
The difference between this situation with the Magpies, and that of Sturt in '95, is Sturt was less than 5 WEEKS from going under, not 5 years. The quote off an earlier post was "Worst case scenario...the PAMFC will be gone in five years." And it wasn't the first time they ( Sturt ) went to the members for money either.
It was even closer than that. I donated a fair bit of cash to the club and my partner at the time said I shouldn't bother. At the time she worked for a financial institution that was one of Sturt's creditors and she said that the club was being wound up within two weeks. We only just scraped in.

[Ingall]

Why don't the PAM's ask the PAP's for some money..... oh... thats right... they're broke too.

[Blues_Brat]

Another thing that must hurt the PAMFC is merchandise. How much Magpies merchandise is sold these days? Go to a Port Magpies game and a fair chunk of the crowd is wearing gear with that awful teal colour on it.

[Ford Fairlane]

Originally posted by Macca19


very good point. If Scott Salisburys construction business collapsed and i was to say 'what goes around comes around...serves the dirty bastard right' id be called a flaming idiot

There might be a chance to test that generosity of spirit. There's a picture of a grim faced Salisbury on p.5 of today's (Thu. 11 April) Advertiser talking about the impact on the building industry following the Dexta home warranty cover decision.

And lo and behold, one of his occasional partners in thuggery, Chris Duthy, is in a similar situation.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane


There might be a chance to test that generosity of spirit. There's a picture of a grim faced Salisbury on p.5 of today's (Thu. 11 April) Advertiser talking about the impact on the building industry following the Dexta home warranty cover decision.

And lo and behold, one of his occasional partners in thuggery, Chris Duthy, is in a similar situation.

'what goes around comes around....serves the dirty prick right' :D ;)

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Blues_Brat
Another thing that must hurt the PAMFC is merchandise. How much Magpies merchandise is sold these days? Go to a Port Magpies game and a fair chunk of the crowd is wearing gear with that awful teal colour on it.

It helps if they sold Port Magpies gear at Alberton :(

[Eago77]

Originally posted by Ingall
Why don't the PAM's ask the PAP's for some money..... oh... thats right... they're broke too.

Sorry everyone i just have to say... YOU TOOL!