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worthy

13 Apr 2007, 12:03

hawker_91

13 Apr 2007, 12:31

Tim Clarke will miss the next 12 weeks with an achillies injury, I ask the question "should he be worried" because there are a few young guys just waiting for their chance, we all know Clarke is a solid player who works tirelessly, but the Hawks are now in a position where the make up of the team will change significantly this year and certainly next year.

Positions have to be made available with players like:
Muston
Ellis
Tuck
Murphy
Kennedy
Moss
Morton
McGlynn
and more

All looking for an opportunity to cement a spot, not all will, but as some do it becomes harder for players like Clarke to get back in, great position for the Hawks, but tough for those that are currently in the best 15-22 range.

Thoughts?

ATM NO

Its up to the above list of players to come up to his standard. Once they achieve that level yes his place will be looked at

Saw David Parkin on Foxtell League Teams Last night Very high opinion of Tim Clarke (hardest working player he has seen at a league club) does not get the credit he deserves according to Parko

Tasmaniac

13 Apr 2007, 12:42

Nothing for Clarkey to worry about.

As Hawker 91 mentioned. They have to consistently perform at his level before it's an issue.

Oh yeah, and at least one or two of them will have to be elite endurance runner's to push him out of his niche.

A few years still ahead for Timmy.

hawker11

13 Apr 2007, 12:46

Every player should be worried about their position in the Hawthorn side. We have talls like Roughead and Renouf pushing for selection. And the young midfield group will no doubt put pressure on Clarke to retain a spot in the side on his return. The harder it gets for Clarke to get in the side - the better for the Hawks! :thumbsu:

Hodge2Franklin

13 Apr 2007, 14:17

Tim Clarke will miss the next 12 weeks with an achillies injury, I ask the question "should he be worried" because there are a few young guys just waiting for their chance, we all know Clarke is a solid player who works tirelessly, but the Hawks are now in a position where the make up of the team will change significantly this year and certainly next year.

Positions have to be made available with players like:
Muston
Ellis
Tuck
Murphy
Kennedy
Moss
Morton
McGlynn
and more

All looking for an opportunity to cement a spot, not all will, but as some do it becomes harder for players like Clarke to get back in, great position for the Hawks, but tough for those that are currently in the best 15-22 range.

Thoughts?

I don't like to bag a player when he is down, but I would be surprised if he ever got back in this team...

cschreuder61

13 Apr 2007, 14:42

Not at all. None of the young blokes will have anywhere near the intensity and running capacity Clarke does this year or for the upcoming ones for that matter, or have the capabilities to shut down key players which he does on an regular unrewarded basis.

Eventually 'some' of the younger players' superior upside might come out in the coming years, but that is yet to be seen or proven so no pressure on Clarke, just his team mates to fill the role that he plays.

Bateman I feel may have some pressure over the next year or so because he plays a different role, he's an attacking player whilst Clarke is defensive. If Ellis or Muston find their feet earlier than possible and are using the ball correctly Bateman will need to make sure he gets back to the form he's capable of. But these are all good things for the side.

Skyfire15

13 Apr 2007, 15:15

Hawk-in-syd

13 Apr 2007, 15:35

Endurance has been the key aspect of timmy staying in the team. I've been hoping for years that we would get rid of him because of him lacking everything besides endurance. But there is one thing going in his favor, when I watched on the couch last night parko said the the AFL was very close to limiting the interchange and that they didn't only because of the in the back rule and they didn't want to many changes. From what he was saying and the stats below the limited interchange will come in next year so endurance will be alot more important than it currently is wich will be in his favor

Ave Number of interchanges per side
2007 57
2006 49
2005 39
2004 30

cradle of filth

13 Apr 2007, 18:14

Of course he should be worried. There are so many youngsters to fill in for Clarke that it's not out of the question that we won't see him in a few years time.

Hawkie_McHawkHawk

13 Apr 2007, 18:30

B&GBlood

13 Apr 2007, 20:43

Tim Clarke will be worried his leg gets better.

He will be back for the second half.

Remember most kids don't have the endurance to last a whole season.

LoneStar

14 Apr 2007, 12:55

Clarke has got to be one of the obvious omissions to allow the list mentioned above room in our 22 over the coming 2-3 years.

Whilst I acknowledge and applaud his work ethic, to be brutally honest I cannot see a Hawthorn Premiership with Tim Clarke in the side.He's just not good enough. The bloke obviously works very hard and give his all, but he's not an AFL-caliber player.I thought this was obvious! Anybody with half a mililitre of common sense would have to accept these facts, wouldn't they? But today I heard something that really angered me. I heard a stupid opinion by someone who I feel should know better. I'm upset that the collective genius of this forum, an entity that I hold in high esteem, could be refuted by the ignorance of an AFL player who thinks he has half a clue simply because he plays the game! His opinion is such a load of crap! He cannot face facts!

We all understand that Clarke isn't worth his weight in sheep manure. Almost all the BF footy experts in this forum have assured us that this is a proven fact. Hawthorn will never win a premiership with him on our club! He is obviously so bad that he may never get another game, and he shouldn't because he is skill-less. And the Hawks will be better because of it and should gleefully select a kid with zero games experience over Clarke every week until they are out of kids with no experience. Then the Hawks might win a premiership! Sorry Tim but you are the reason we haven't played finals in years!

Then I heard Brent Harvey, asked by Tim Watson in an interview this week, who was the one player that he hated to have tagging him. He replied that Tim Clarke is the one player he hates most to see coming at him because Clarke is one of the hardest players to play on. He went on to say he's happy that Clarke won't be playing on him this week. What a load of crap! He has no idea about who is skilled and who is crap! I've lost all respect for Brent Harvey!

How can Harvey be so stupid? Is the man an idiot? This certainly shows he has no footy brain and doesn't understand the game. Entire AFL >>>>>>>>> manure >>>>>>>>> Clarke.

For those of you who've read this far and are agreeing whole-heartedly, pull your head out of your rectums and open your eyes. It's going to take some very good players to nudge Clarke out of our side. He takes the dirty jobs and excels at them. Why would you believe there's someone in the wings who can do the work he performs all day and be a huge offensive threat as well? Those players are few and far between. Appreciate what we have and realize he plays an important part most weeks...and does a fine job in the process.

cschreuder61

14 Apr 2007, 13:10

Once again, overating untried youngsters and underating our some of our senior players......

RustyHawk

14 Apr 2007, 13:13

Tim Clarke will miss the next 12 weeks with an achillies injury, I ask the question "should he be worried"

Answer: No. Will be straight back in as soon as fit.

hawkstars

14 Apr 2007, 14:03

I don't think he will get back into the side. I would much rather try using a young player if so inexperienced so what. We all want the hawks to play their exciting recruits and I am sure once given the chance to slot in the side they will show us all how good they can be. Kennedy, Tuck, Ellis, Muston and the list goes on. Come on get YOUR head out of the sand!

thatswhatimtalkinabout

14 Apr 2007, 14:58

Why is it that the assumption is that Tim Clarke can not and will not keep on improving? He has come along way in the last couple of seasons.

Improvement is not soley the domain of untried youngsters - 40% of which will fail in there aim to become permanent players.

Keep in mind a champion team will always beat a team of champions. Tim Clarke has a role to play and he executes it very well.

By bagging him you put yourselves squarely at odds with the blokes you idolise - his teamates.

Barlow#33

14 Apr 2007, 15:10

We all understand that Clarke isn't worth his weight in sheep manure. Almost all the BF footy experts in this forum have assured us that this is a proven fact. Hawthorn will never win a premiership with him on our club! He is obviously so bad that he may never get another game, and he shouldn't because he is skill-less. And the Hawks will be better because of it and should gleefully select a kid with zero games experience over Clarke every week until they are out of kids with no experience. Then the Hawks might win a premiership! Sorry Tim but you are the reason we haven't played finals in years!

I agree!

I also agree that he is a fantastic tagger which is what i'm guessing he was referring to. Did Harvey mention any of his other skills?

Hawkamania!

14 Apr 2007, 15:50

To all the Clarke bashers, read this:

Hawks confident despite player loss
AAP - Saturday April 14, 12:12 PM

Hawthorn will go into Sunday's clash with the Kangaroos confident, despite missing key midfielders Chance Bateman and Tim Clarke.
Hawks coach Alistair Clarkson said if the side maintained the proactive form which saw it upset Melbourne last week, it should snatch its second straight win.
"We'll take a side into the game against the Kangaroos that, if we play our best footy, we reckon we should be able to win," Clarkson said.
"But the Kangaroos will be pretty desperate, they've lost their first two games.
"They played quite well in both those games, but just haven't got the points.
"They know their season will start to slip away if they don't get a win on the board soon and I reckon they'd be pretty keen to get one tomorrow."
Clarke is recovering from surgery for an Achilles injury while Bateman was withdrawn late after pulling up with a sore calf.
Clarkson said the club thought it would be able to manage Clarke's problem but finally opted for surgery.
"He's carried the injury for the best part of 12 months.
"He actually hurt it in the second quarter (last week) which tells you how tough and resilient the little fellow is.
"He carried it through the rest of the game last week and in actual fact he's carried it for the best part of 18 months," he said.
"It just flared up last week and he had surgery yesterday morning so he'll miss the best part of the middle part of the year and hopefully be back for the last six or eight games."
Clarkson said Bateman was replaced as he could not perform at full pace.
"We thought he was going to play, he's got a very slight calf (injury).
"We were going to play him last week but he just hasn't settled as quickly as we'd like.
"He can run at 80 to 90 per cent pace but the key part of his game is being able to be a really hard aggressive runner and if he can't do that to 100 per cent we're better off just waiting.
"He'll have one more week and hopefully he'll be alright for the following week against Geelong," Clarkson said.
He said Hawthorn's loss-win start to the season had a simple explanation - the quality of their attack on the ball.
"Footy hasn't changed much for 100 years really.
"You've got to hunt the ball really well when it's in dispute, tackle well when the opposition have got it and in both those instances of the game against Brisbane we were very poor.
"In those areas against Melbourne last week we were very good," Clarkson said.

All I can say is he improved with an injury holding him back. FFS people, this is why you don't bag players, like Vandenberg and his back problems in 2005-06. Some of the posters here make me sick.:mad:

Hawkamania!

14 Apr 2007, 16:12

I thought this was obvious! Anybody with half a mililitre of common sense would have to accept these facts, wouldn't they? But today I heard something that really angered me. I heard a stupid opinion by someone who I feel should know better. I'm upset that the collective genius of this forum, an entity that I hold in high esteem, could be refuted by the ignorance of an AFL player who thinks he has half a clue simply because he plays the game! His opinion is such a load of crap! He cannot face facts!

We all understand that Clarke isn't worth his weight in sheep manure. Almost all the BF footy experts in this forum have assured us that this is a proven fact. Hawthorn will never win a premiership with him on our club! He is obviously so bad that he may never get another game, and he shouldn't because he is skill-less. And the Hawks will be better because of it and should gleefully select a kid with zero games experience over Clarke every week until they are out of kids with no experience. Then the Hawks might win a premiership! Sorry Tim but you are the reason we haven't played finals in years!

Then I heard Brent Harvey, asked by Tim Watson in an interview this week, who was the one player that he hated to have tagging him. He replied that Tim Clarke is the one player he hates most to see coming at him because Clarke is one of the hardest players to play on. He went on to say he's happy that Clarke won't be playing on him this week. What a load of crap! He has no idea about who is skilled and who is crap! I've lost all respect for Brent Harvey!

How can Harvey be so stupid? Is the man an idiot? This certainly shows he has no footy brain and doesn't understand the game. Entire AFL >>>>>>>>> manure >>>>>>>>> Clarke.

For those of you who've read this far and are agreeing whole-heartedly, pull your head out of your rectums and open your eyes. It's going to take some very good players to nudge Clarke out of our side. He takes the dirty jobs and excels at them. Why would you believe there's someone in the wings who can do the work he performs all day and be a huge offensive threat as well? Those players are few and far between. Appreciate what we have and realize he plays an important part most weeks...and does a fine job in the process.

Lonestar, you obviously are skilled at typing while buring your head in your backside. Unfortunately, that skill does not compensate for lack of common sense. The coaching staff have Clarke there for a reason and while not being a top flight player, he does an admirable job on the field.

You have embarrassed yourself on this forum and should apologise to Tim Clarke publicly. Also apologise to Brent Harvey while you are at it, as I doubt you have ever lined up against Clarke in your life and if you did, he would run rings around your sorry @$$.

Oh and "almost all of the BigFooty experts" are not AFL coaches so :p.

LoneStar

14 Apr 2007, 16:13

I agree!

I also agree that he is a fantastic tagger which is what i'm guessing he was referring to. Did Harvey mention any of his other skills?Since the question was - Which player do you most dislike being tagged by? - I don't think any comments on his other skills were warranted.
If you feel he's a fantastic tagger, why would you agree that Clarke is the source of all the Hawks problems. Here's a player which a premiership player nominates as the best tagger in the AFL, and you and the band of fools in this forum want him delisted. That makes less sense than a boys choir in a monastary.
Clarke seems to be your main focus in this forum. In fact, about 75% of your posts have discussed your dislike of Clarke. Do you actually understand the game? And if you choose to quote me, please explain or indicate the quote was taken out of context or someone may believe I'm really one of you Clarke bashers!

Hawk Dork

14 Apr 2007, 17:06

I want someone to take Tim Clarkes spot and make it impossible for him to come back.
Not because I dont want Tim Clarke, but because I want to see a young player grab an opportunity and improve to the point of being better than Tim.

Thaihawk

14 Apr 2007, 19:32

I await the time when any player injured or suspended (except en elite few) wil be not be considered to get their place back automatically in the 22 , as when that time comes we will be in a position to challenge for the ultimate prize.
We need classy players playing for Box Hill putting pressure on the firsts week in week out, not only when they're injured.
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If a youngster puts his hand up and is playing well enough to retain their place, then Timm will have to earn his spot.

HawkFan15

14 Apr 2007, 19:53

Do coaches lovechilds ever have to be worried?

Smoking Gun

14 Apr 2007, 20:49

Do coaches lovechilds ever have to be worried?

bit harsh?, but with ellis, tuck, kennedy, developing in the next 2-3 years TC may not be a starter and be placed as a 'depth' player at best.

bateman,ladson and osbourne need to make this year the milestone year, ie going from developing to developed players. fingers crossed boys, best of luck :thumbsu:

Jeez i miss lekkas :)