Thugs in the SANFL [Archive]

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 00:16

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Well, well, well ... turn my back for 5 minutes and here I am being called "moron", "peanut", told I'm "disliked" by people whose opinions I value so highly,and who obviously know me so well, they can judge my opinions on the basis of a paragraph written on a message board.

I actually wasn't going to dignify the childish name calling with a response, but then I figured that would be doing a disservice to the Port supporters who stood up for me ... and thanks for that guys.:cool:

I also agree with Dreamkillers that this is not the place to degenerate this discussion into a Granger v Cornes thread. It was 20 years ago and it's been done to death. The reason I raised it? Cornes takes great delight in taking the p!ss from Port supporters and clearly this so called sport provides high entertainment to others ... such as sapaul who couldn't wait to post it on this thread. I for one am sick to death of Cornes's baiting of Port supporters which he uses as his cover for his favourite past time of Port bashing. The easiest way to tip a bucket of cold water on that? Mention David Granger. Guaranteed howls of protest and distraction from the topic at hand. And yes I don't have to listen to KG & C ... and guess what? I don't. I stopped listening to that particular radio show several years ago. But when people feel the need to wave this rubbish in my face, I feel the need to respond.

Now let's get around to the crux of this response. Do I condone what Granger did to Cornes? - seeing as this has become a macabre fixation for a couple of you ... well this is the funny thing ... there is nothing to condone. If you ever closely saw the "incident" in question (and yes I was there that day) and if you've ever actually listened to Cornes's reminisces of that day, basically any contact at that point was incidental and Cornes milked it for all it was worth. And that was the precise reason I chose that incident. So scurry off to your dictionaries now and look up the word "irony". I guess then you'll have to tell me what it means, seeing as I'm a "moron".

Now a question for you guys. Which football clubs do you follow? You're both pretty quick to throw the word "thug" around, so I'm guessing your highly developed sensitivities to the nobility of the game would extend to your own football clubs. Easty I understand you're a Bay, so I'm guessing you're pretty proud of the contributions of the Phillis brothers, Holst, the Stringer brothers, Salisbury to name a few to the good name of SA football? Sapaul, let us all know and I'm sure I can list a few fine gentlemen from whichever club you follow too.

Yes Dave was a bad man on the footy field ... but he had a saying back then "You give it out, you cop it, and you never squeal". And he didn't. And I think to pull out that trite "What goes around comes around" argument to justify his current situation says something about the pettiness and vindictiveness of others which deserves far more comment than what I had to say.

Sorry about all of that Dreamkillers, but the actual thread on the continued presence of Port Adelaide in the SANFL can now resume.:D

Ford I agree with your comments about the Bays.....and Easty I'd be careful about slagging off too much as your club had had an abundance of thugs over the years.........can't remember his name but I remember on an old highlights package a certain back pocket player from the Bays going beserk in a match......decking at least 3-4 players in one incident.........

The video was a package put together by Channel 7 when videos first came out in the late 70's and showed a legend from each club as well as many other highlights and low lights..........I'll drag it out of my mothers collection when I'm back in Adelaide during finals time later this year.........

look forward to continuing this topic on this new thread......as we all know all of our clubs have had some dirty players throughout the years........especially in the years before video umpires......

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 00:37

Couldn't wait to post it? I had no intention of posting it on here until someone had already started the posting so all I did was mention Cornesy's comment on 5AA earlier that night, I support Sturt, yeah sure we could all name a few thugs from Sturt, Phil Heinrich being one that springs to mind straight away but you could not disagree the 2 biggest thugs seen in SA football have been David Granger and Stephen Clifford, both from Port.

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 07:50

Ford Fairlane

5 Apr 2002, 09:19

Originally posted by sapaul
Couldn't wait to post it? I had no intention of posting it on here until someone had already started the posting so all I did was mention Cornesy's comment on 5AA earlier that night, I support Sturt, yeah sure we could all name a few thugs from Sturt, Phil Heinrich being one that springs to mind straight away but you could not disagree the 2 biggest thugs seen in SA football have been David Granger and Stephen Clifford, both from Port.

Yeah, you couldn't wait to post it. Before you stuck your nose in there had been four posts on the thread amounting to a reasonable discourse between several Port and non Port people about the Maggies current financial situation. Then you weigh in quoting some of Cornes's typical venomous bile trying to impress everyone with how clever you are sniping the Port Adelaide Magpies. Then to top it off, you make a ludicrously inaccurate statement about the publicity other SANFL clubs in financial difficulties have received over the years, then round it off nicely with the "feral" tag. Yeah, well done genius.

Clifford and Granger the two "biggest thugs" ever? You draw this conclusion based on your apparent 145 years experience of watching the SANFL?

Now if you rate Clifford anywhere near Granger on the apparent "Thug File" you keep then you have spent way too much time near the BHP smokestacks. As Santos indicated, Clifford was seriously hard, but if I could be bothered I could reel off plenty of Port players that I've seen that rate just as, if not tougher and harder than Bomber. Let alone looking at other clubs players. Let alone looking back further than the 25 years you've chosen to base your conclusions on.

But, like Santos, I have to say you've got me when it comes to naming Sturt "thugs". The problem is that every Sturt player has to be vetted by the Board of Prince Alfred College before they can be contracted by the Blues. And to even get to that selection phase they have to be nominated by at least two active members of local Unley/Rose Park denominations. You can see how that process would weed out prospective "thugs".

Of course it's worse if you're a budding coach and have to not only get past this test, but demonstrate a tangible link to the Oatey family (although in recent times this faith has been tested). And then of course you have to be prepared to work for peanuts because you are only footballers after all. Let's face it the genteel huxtables of the inner Eastern Adelaide suburbs would much prefer to spend their hard inherited dollars on camellias and fuschias. I mean you can always tell when Sturt are having lean years - those gardens are just immaculate!!!

Jars458

5 Apr 2002, 09:39

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane

But, like Santos, I have to say you've got me when it comes to naming Sturt "thugs". The problem is that every Sturt player has to be vetted by the Board of Prince Alfred College before they can be contracted by the Blues. And to even get to that selection phase they have to be nominated by at least two active members of local Unley/Rose Park denominations. You can see how that process would weed out prospective "thugs".

Of course it's worse if you're a budding coach and have to not only get past this test, but demonstrate a tangible link to the Oatey family (although in recent times this faith has been tested). And then of course you have to be prepared to work for peanuts because you are only footballers after all. Let's face it the genteel huxtables of the inner Eastern Adelaide suburbs would much prefer to spend their hard inherited dollars on camellias and fuschias. I mean you can always tell when Sturt are having lean years - those gardens are just immaculate!!!

Give me a break

Ford - crapping on like this loses you all credibility in trying to say you want a rational reasoned argument about Port's finances or whatever else

Stay away from ridiculous cliches and baiting.

As far as Glenelg thugs - what about Scott Salisbury - did he ever do anything other than belt people???

Russel Johnson on Carl Dilena is also a Port incident i remember well - pathetic stuff

Anyone who glorifies such players or acts is in serious trouble in my view.

Tough but fair -YES -

Dirty - NO.

And yes Santos, the Eagles have always been tough but fair and NEVER dirty. All of them!!!;)

mud n blood

5 Apr 2002, 10:16

This is great ..... c'mon lads ..... one in all in !!!!

I'm learning stacks about your little comp down there. :eek:

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 10:35

Originally posted by Santos L Helper

Dreamkillers, one of those Glenelg thugs may have been Alan Stringer. I'm now good mates with Al, and he's a really docile and level headed bloke...........nothing like his 'on-field' persona. It's also interesting to hear him talk of Bomber Clifford. Al always admired him and just describes him (in serious tones) as a 'very very hard man'.

I think the player I'm trying to remember is Rex Voigt.....or something like that..........he played the game hard but on the odd occasion just completely lost the plot like Granger did at times......

and believe it or not Grave Danger was a real quiet bloke off of the footy field........he used to be a garderner at Underdale College and I used to speak to him most days on my way to high school.......he really had white line fever once on the field.......

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 10:40

Originally posted by Jars458

And yes Santos, the Eagles have always been tough but fair and NEVER dirty. All of them!!!;)

Anyone who glorifies such players or acts is in serious trouble in my view.

Tough but fair -YES -

Dirty - NO.

If your talking West Torrens have you forgotten the Muir years......and then in the 70's they had a long haired bearded player who's name escapes me at the moment who was known to throw the odd punch.........

We're not glorifying the players or acts......just going through our memories of players that were in these categories........tough or dirty they always get remembered.......and sometimes for the wrong reason......as a Port supporter I always admired McIntosh at the Redlegs.......hated him at times but he played the game hard and occasionally crossed the line as most tough players do but is always remembered for the way he played the game.....

As for Sturt......give me some time and I'll come up with some.......Michael Graham and Rick Davies used to mix it at times........but not quite in the league of others in our comp.......

Ford Fairlane

5 Apr 2002, 10:45

Originally posted by Jars458

Give me a break

Ford - crapping on like this loses you all credibility in trying to say you want a rational reasoned argument about Port's finances or whatever else

Stay away from ridiculous cliches and baiting.

As far as Glenelg thugs - what about Scott Salisbury - did he ever do anything other than belt people???

Russel Johnson on Carl Dilena is also a Port incident i remember well - pathetic stuff

Anyone who glorifies such players or acts is in serious trouble in my view.

Tough but fair -YES -

Dirty - NO.

And yes Santos, the Eagles have always been tough but fair and NEVER dirty. All of them!!!;)

But Jars, this thread is not about Port's finances ... that's why this topic was brought over here.

As for "crapping on" "ridiculous cliches" and "baiting" ... yes, granted ... but I did it to make a point - that the continual reference to Port Adelaide Magpies and its supporters as "ferals" can cut both ways ... we can just as easily throw up blanket stereotypes as anyone if that's the game some here want to play.

Eagles and "thugs"? I thought that was a tautology ;) !!!

Ford Fairlane

5 Apr 2002, 10:47

Originally posted by dreamkillers

If your talking West Torrens have you forgotten the Muir years......and then in the 70's they had a long haired bearded player who's name escapes me at the moment who was known to throw the odd punch.........

We're not glorifying the players or acts......just going through our memories of players that were in these categories........tough or dirty they always get remembered.......and sometimes for the wrong reason......as a Port supporter I always admired McIntosh at the Redlegs.......hated him at times but he played the game hard and occasionally crossed the line as most tough players do but is always remembered for the way he played the game.....

As for Sturt......give me some time and I'll come up with some.......Michael Graham and Rick Davies used to mix it at times........but not quite in the league of others in our comp.......

Ian Wallace? The little red rooster.

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 10:58

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane

Ian Wallace? The little red rooster.

the name Wallace does ring a bell.........I remember him being a tough as nails player with a loose head at times.....but always entertaining to watch......

Jars458

5 Apr 2002, 11:10

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane

But Jars, this thread is not about Port's finances ... that's why this topic was brought over here.

As for "crapping on" "ridiculous cliches" and "baiting" ... yes, granted ... but I did it to make a point - that the continual reference to Port Adelaide Magpies and its supporters as "ferals" can cut both ways ... we can just as easily throw up blanket stereotypes as anyone if that's the game some here want to play.

Eagles and "thugs"? I thought that was a tautology ;) !!!

Yep - fair enough.

Although having read your Sturt cliches - I think they should merge with Norwood!!

smithy

5 Apr 2002, 11:15

Cant say I can recall a Sturt player you would call a thug, tough hard at it players but never thugs.

Dreamkillers, are you thinking of Lee Robson ?

Jars, your previous post was probably the most sensible thing I have read on here for a long time..and thats not having a go at Ford Fairlane either.

Smithy

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 11:34

Originally posted by smithy
Cant say I can recall a Sturt player you would call a thug, tough hard at it players but never thugs.

Dreamkillers, are you thinking of Lee Robson ?

Jars, your previous post was probably the most sensible thing I have read on here for a long time..and thats not having a go at Ford Fairlane either.

Smithy

We could use the recent coach....but then he never actually played for Sturt.........I'll have to check with my mother for some Sturt names of the past as she's followed Port since the 40's and would know of some.......I couldn't imagine there being none.....

Lee Robson.....well that's another......but it was Ian Wallace that I was originally referring to........

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 12:58

Dreamkillers, my old man used to talk about Brian Mulvihill from the Eagles as a tough nut too. I think he had a beard, although he may not have had one too.:confused: :D :D

Ford, your summation of Sturt supporters was hilarious. Keep up the good work.

Macca19

5 Apr 2002, 13:41

Originally posted by sapaul
you could not disagree the 2 biggest thugs seen in SA football have been David Granger and Stephen Clifford, both from Port.

What a load of crap.
Scott Salisbury and Gary Mcintosh are two bigger thugs than Clifford was.

Scott Salisbury is the dirtiest player ive seen (Granger was before my time but have seen many 'hilights'). Mcintosh was not much better.
Darren Jarman in his time at North Adelaide was a rough bastard....prone to dishing out many head high tackles and closelines a game. The most dirtiest act ive seen on a footy field was from him in the 1990 Prelim Final when he absolutly flattened David Hutton at break neck speed. I still dont know how Hutton survived that....with an elbow to the throat and knee in the guts. Dirty bastard Jarman was.

Stephen Sims was just an a'hole. What he did in the 91 Grand Final was dispicable....up there with Granger in 82. Kim Klomp was another dirty fukwit. Lachlan Bowman went thru a thug stage but he wasnt very good at it. Mark Hannam was a bit of a thug in the mid 90s for the Eagles. I remember he punched a port player in a game in 95 i think...he then went after another player, missed him, and ended up doing his knee trying to knock the port player out. Ive never seen so many people stand up and just laugh at a player before. Served him right.

Stephen Carter and Darryl Poole are prone to the odd thug act every now and then. Peter Green was just a tool. I think he decked a Port player in every port v centrals match except the 96 GF....where he lined up Ginever but missed and ended up getting thumped himself. His first match he used Darren Smith as a punching bag and got a week off. The second Port v Centrals match he played in at Alberton he knocked out Pooley before the first bounce (he got reported and Port kicked 8 goals to 0 in that first term from memory)....then the massive all in brawl at halftime at Elizabeth in 96 which he basically started.

quite a few thugs in the sanfl!

Macca19

5 Apr 2002, 13:43

Macca19

5 Apr 2002, 13:47

Originally posted by Jars458

Russel Johnson on Carl Dilena is also a Port incident i remember well - pathetic stuff

pathetic? Hardly. It was a hip and shoulder that was clumsily late. If you are calling Johnston a dirty player you really are a twat. That was the only time he got reported (and suspended) in his playing career. Nicest footballer ive ever met

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 14:20

Originally posted by Macca19

What a load of crap.
Scott Salisbury and Gary Mcintosh are two bigger thugs than Clifford was.

Scott Salisbury is the dirtiest player ive seen (Granger was before my time but have seen many 'hilights'). Mcintosh was not much better.

Agree with your comments on Scotty but not Macca......I'd put him in the same category as Bomber. They were both tough nuts who played the game hard....occasionally going over the top but both played the game with the same vigour and desire for success.....

Macca was one of those players that you would be glad to have playing for your club and if not hated and respected at the same time........

The other thing I respected about him was he was Norwood through and through......hated those Vics with a passion.......and off the field was a pretty good bloke - shared a few drinking sessions with him and other SANFL players back in the 90's.

eastaugh36

5 Apr 2002, 14:34

ford fairlane, you say cornesy milked it ? How can you milk something as blatantly obvious as what that scumbag did to him ? You cannot even compare anything salisbury or stringer did to what that piece of garbage did on that disgusting day !

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 14:40

Originally posted by eastaugh36
ford fairlane, you say cornesy milked it ? How can you milk something as blatantly obvious as what that scumbag did to him ? You cannot even compare anything salisbury or stringer did to what that piece of garbage did on that disgusting day !

You should check with Mr Cornes....even he admits he milked it......

I would have thought other incidents involving Granger and the Glenelg football club on the field were much worse but this one keeps getting glory due to someone's media presence.

and as for Salisbury he was every bit the animal if not more than Granger was........just compare the number of suspensions for a start.........

Jars458

5 Apr 2002, 14:47

Originally posted by Macca19

pathetic? Hardly. It was a hip and shoulder that was clumsily late. If you are calling Johnston a dirty player you really are a twat. That was the only time he got reported (and suspended) in his playing career. Nicest footballer ive ever met

Ooooooohhhhhhhhhh - TWAT!!!! Nice one Macca.

No - spot the obvious bias on your behalf here.

I have no axe to grind on this one

IMHO it was a delibeate elbow to the head

I am not calling him a dirty player - this is why I made the distinction between dirty players and dirty acts

It was a pathetic dirty act.

If he was the nicest guy you ever met, you are obviously biased

As neihter a sturt or port man I am a neutral observer
;) :eek: :D

Macca19

5 Apr 2002, 15:05

eastaugh36

5 Apr 2002, 15:09

Originally posted by Macca19

You wouldnt of seen anything Stringer or Salisbury did

um, I think so

The stringers were at their best in the mid 80s, especially that 85 grand final when they sunk their old club, north adelaide

Salisbury, was a tough player who always put his body on the line. I was at the 1990 foundation cup grand final against woodville when he cleaned up richard champion on the outer wing

Macca19

5 Apr 2002, 15:11

Originally posted by Jars458

If he was the nicest guy you ever met, you are obviously biased

Not nicest guy. Nicest footballer. And how is that biased??? Ive only met a dozen or so footballers, and he was the nicest...i cant see how that results to being biased:confused:
When i was...6 or 7 me and my dad went to see 1989 grand final training on the thursday but we were late....Johnno let us go in the players rooms and see all the players and talk to them and stuff (they were having table tennis matches). No other player ive met has been that nice...and no other player ive met would do that......which is why i think he is a legend!

Macca19

5 Apr 2002, 15:16

Originally posted by eastaugh36

um, I think so

The stringers were at their best in the mid 80s, especially that 85 grand final when they sunk their old club, north adelaide

Salisbury, was a tough player who always put his body on the line. I was at the 1990 foundation cup grand final against woodville when he cleaned up richard champion on the outer wing

Oh wow, you watched an old video of the 85 grand final...which is exactly why i wrote, you never saw anything the Stringers did....they were before your time. I saw the end of their careers...one of them was alright (cant remember which one tho) but the other was just a dirty mongrel....in the salisbury class of thuggery.

Then there is the 88 grand final when he started an all in brawl which started by him punching David Brown after he got rid of the ball.....then the 90 grand final when he nearly decapitated Wanganeen....then 92 grand final when he purposely kneed Buckley in the groin...thats just the ones ive seen on video. There is white line fever, then there is out and out thuggery....Scott Salisbury was an out and out thug.

Jars458

5 Apr 2002, 15:17

Originally posted by Macca19

Not nicest guy. Nicest footballer. And how is that biased??? Ive only met a dozen or so footballers, and he was the nicest...i cant see how that results to being biased:confused:
When i was...6 or 7 me and my dad went to see 1989 grand final training on the thursday but we were late....Johnno let us go in the players rooms and see all the players and talk to them and stuff (they were having table tennis matches). No other player ive met has been that nice...and no other player ive met would do that......which is why i think he is a legend!

Macca its obvious

If you think he was so nice you will look on things he does favourably. Its human nature. That' together with your natural port bias.

And it was a deliberate elbow.

Trust me!!;)

eastaugh36

5 Apr 2002, 15:20

Originally posted by Macca19

Oh wow, you watched an old video of the 85 grand final...which is exactly why i wrote, you never saw anything the Stringers did....they were before your time. I saw the end of their careers...one of them was alright (cant remember which one tho) but the other was just a dirty mongrel....in the salisbury class of thuggery.

Then there is the 88 grand final when he started an all in brawl which started by him punching David Brown after he got rid of the ball.....then the 90 grand final when he nearly decapitated Wanganeen....then 92 grand final when he purposely kneed Buckley in the groin...thats just the ones ive seen on video. There is white line fever, then there is out and out thuggery....Scott Salisbury was an out and out thug.

oh poor gavin ! He fakes any heavy knock anyway ! Every club has history of players that go a bit overboard, port has granger , glenelg has salisbury, in the vfl st kilda had muir etc etc

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 15:49

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
[B]
Yeah, you couldn't wait to post it.
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If I couldn't wait to post it, I would have come on here at 4.10 straight after Cornesy said it, several hours later I posted it.
___________________________________________________ QUOTE]Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
[B]
Clifford and Granger the two "biggest thugs" ever? You draw this conclusion based on your apparent 145 years experience of watching the SANFL?
][/QUOTE]
Somebody cares a little too much for other people's opinions.
___________________________________________________
QUOTE]Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
[B]
Now if you rate Clifford anywhere near Granger on the apparent "Thug File" you keep then you have spent way too much time near the BHP smokestacks. As Santos indicated, Clifford was seriously hard, but if I could be bothered I could reel off plenty of Port players that I've seen that rate just as, if not tougher and harder than Bomber. Let alone looking at other clubs players. Let alone looking back further than the 25 years you've chosen to base your conclusions on.
][/QUOTE]
You would have been near BHP as much if not more times than me, sorry but 25 years is as far as I can go back to.
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QUOTE]Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
[B]
But, like Santos, I have to say you've got me when it comes to naming Sturt "thugs".
][/QUOTE]
So much for asking everybody to reveal who they support, you now can't name a Sturt thug, not 1 thug in our 5 flags in a row?

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 15:54

Originally posted by sapaul

If I couldn't wait to post it, I would have come on here at 4.10 straight after Cornesy said it, several hours later I posted it.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
[B]
Clifford and Granger the two "biggest thugs" ever? You draw this conclusion based on your apparent 145 years experience of watching the SANFL?

]

Somebody cares a little too much for other people's opinions.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
[B]

Now if you rate Clifford anywhere near Granger on the apparent "Thug File" you keep then you have spent way too much time near the BHP smokestacks. As Santos indicated, Clifford was seriously hard, but if I could be bothered I could reel off plenty of Port players that I've seen that rate just as, if not tougher and harder than Bomber. Let alone looking at other clubs players. Let alone looking back further than the 25 years you've chosen to base your conclusions on.

][/QUOTE]

YOu would have been near BHP as much if not more times than me, sorry but 25 years is as far as I can go back to.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
[B]

But, like Santos, I have to say you've got me when it comes to naming Sturt "thugs".
][/QUOTE]

So much for asking everybody to reveal who they support, you now can't name a Sturt thug, not 1 thug in our 5 flags in a row? [/QUOTE]

Learn how to use the 'quote' function so we can understand your rantings.

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 15:55

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 16:00

Originally posted by Macca19

What a load of crap.
Scott Salisbury and Gary Mcintosh are two bigger thugs than Clifford was.

Scott Salisbury is the dirtiest player ive seen (Granger was before my time but have seen many 'hilights'). Mcintosh was not much better.
Darren Jarman in his time at North Adelaide was a rough bastard....prone to dishing out many head high tackles and closelines a game. The most dirtiest act ive seen on a footy field was from him in the 1990 Prelim Final when he absolutly flattened David Hutton at break neck speed. I still dont know how Hutton survived that....with an elbow to the throat and knee in the guts. Dirty bastard Jarman was.

How many times was Clifford reported compared to Salisbury, McIntosh and huh Jarman? Who's talking crap now?

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 16:01

Originally posted by Santos L Helper

Learn how to use the 'quote' function so we can understand your rantings.

Real intelligent comment there fool, try sticking to footy talk.I didn't see any rantings from me, you and Ford are the ones who did your nut.

Ford Fairlane

5 Apr 2002, 16:19

Originally posted by sapaul

If I couldn't wait to post it, I would have come on here at 4.10 straight after Cornesy said it, several hours later I posted it.
___________________________________________________
QUOTE]Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
[B]
Clifford and Granger the two "biggest thugs" ever? You draw this conclusion based on your apparent 145 years experience of watching the SANFL?

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Somebody cares a little too much for other people's opinions.
___________________________________________________
QUOTE]Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
[B]

Now if you rate Clifford anywhere near Granger on the apparent "Thug File" you keep then you have spent way too much time near the BHP smokestacks. As Santos indicated, Clifford was seriously hard, but if I could be bothered I could reel off plenty of Port players that I've seen that rate just as, if not tougher and harder than Bomber. Let alone looking at other clubs players. Let alone looking back further than the 25 years you've chosen to base your conclusions on.

][/QUOTE]

YOu would have been near BHP as much if not more times than me, sorry but 25 years is as far as I can go back to.
___________________________________________________
QUOTE]Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
[B]

But, like Santos, I have to say you've got me when it comes to naming Sturt "thugs".
][/QUOTE]

So much for asking everybody to reveal who they support, you now can't name a Sturt thug, not 1 thug in our 5 flags in a row? [/QUOTE]

Like I said, you got me. Not one. I guess they're all model citizens. Jack would be proud.

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 16:22

I guess he would be, they won 5 flags in a row so he must have done something right, how many flags did Granger and Clifford play in?

Ford Fairlane

5 Apr 2002, 16:24

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 16:36

Originally posted by sapaul

Real intelligent comment there fool, try sticking to footy talk.I didn't see any rantings from me, you and Ford are the ones who did your nut.

Your calling me a fool? That's rich coming from someone who can't even tell us of any hardmen from his own team and when he does, he names Phil Heinrich.................quite possibly the softest player ever.
Asking you to use the 'quote function' properly so your posts are not screwed up is a quite reasonable request. Now be a good lad and read the instructions again.

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 16:43

Originally posted by Santos L Helper

Your calling me a fool? That's rich coming from someone who can't even tell us of any hardmen from his own team and when he does, he names Phil Heinrich.................quite possibly the softest player ever.

Your first word indicates I was correct in calling you that, it should have been you're, did you ever attend school?Ford has already said Sturt did not have any hard men, pardon me for remembering Heinrich who was playing when I was a kid, softest ever? I don't think so somehow, did you not ever see his brother?

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 16:56

Originally posted by sapaul

Your first word indicates I was correct in calling you that, it should have been you're, did you ever attend school?Ford has already said Sturt did not have any hard men, pardon me for remembering Heinrich who was playing when I was a kid, softest ever? I don't think so somehow, did you not ever see his brother?

That's a grand pickup there my good fellow. You're quite correct in correcting my use of your or you're. I will remember that when I write my honours thesis, leading onto a doctorate in education after that. Oh, did you mention an education?
If we are going to get onto correct grammar, why don't we pick your last two sentences, which actually should have been three (but I'll let it ride this time) and you can tell me where you went wrong. You've already had one go at editing it and still posted dribble.
To answer your last question, I have seen Sturt games (against us) since about 1974, which is why I was able to tell you that the only Sturt player I considered hard was Brendan Howard.
Feel free to correct any part of this post's grammatical mistakes, as I'm always willing to learn from an educated fellow like yourself. Maybe you should join us in the society and culture forum sometime. You seem like you'd fit in a treat.

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 17:10

Just one more thing sapaul. I'm thinking of foregoing any furhter education after my degree so I can take a job in your hometown as a teacher. Can you imagine that? A smartarsed Port supporter corrupting the youth of your (sic) hometown. :eek:

smithy

5 Apr 2002, 17:54

Santos, In all fairness the thread is on thugs, not hard at it players. I honestly can't think of any Sturt player I would class as a thug. Some elderly supporters might be able to verify this, but apparently in the 40's, the smaller players used to go to Wally May for protection.

Comment Wally May....................

smithy

5 Apr 2002, 17:58

Just remembered, Kim Klomp started his career at Sturt, now I guess some people would certainly call him a thug.
He did learn his thuggery at North though.;)

Smithy

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 17:59

Originally posted by smithy
Santos, In all fairness the thread is on thugs, not hard at it players. I honestly can't think of any Sturt player I would class as a thug. Some elderly supporters might be able to verify this, but apparently in the 40's, the smaller players used to go to Wally May for protection.

Comment Wally May....................

Good call Smithy, although I hear Phil Heinrich was a thug, can you confirm?;)

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 18:05

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
furhter

Hmmmm.....

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 18:09

Originally posted by sapaul

Hmmmm.....

Oh for ****s sake mate. If you can't find a mistake that isn't obviously a typo and even use any humour, I can't be bothered with you.
ps. even though I went to many Magpies games as a kid (like you said about Sturt games) I still knew the difference between a hard player, a thug and a sook (ala Phil Heinrich).

pps. I have deliberately added an error to keep you occupied for the night.

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 18:13

I never went to many Sturt games as a kid.

Uncle Steve

5 Apr 2002, 19:31

Originally posted by dreamkillers
and believe it or not Grave Danger was a real quiet bloke off of the footy field........he used to be a garderner at Underdale College
A gardener!!!

Oh, the irony! :D

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 19:42

Don't tell anyone, but I'm also a qualified greenkeeper and I'd also like to smack 'Cornsey' one.;) :eek:

Uncle Steve

5 Apr 2002, 19:42

Originally posted by dreamkillers
and as for Salisbury he was every bit the animal if not more than Granger was........just compare the number of suspensions for a start.........

Salisbury was suspended 4 times in his career, despite numerous reports.

In his own words:

"Sometimes I was reported simply because I was playing very hard. The headlines were tough on my family, particularly my Mum. The media often blew everything out of proportion. The fact is I wasn't a very skilful or pretty player - actually I was shocking. I used to scare people."
(Sunday Mail, 8/8/99)

Now perhaps you'd care to post Granger's record, dreamy?

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 19:43

Steve, so what your saying is that not only did we win more premierships, we had better thugs?

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 19:44

Originally posted by Uncle Steve

A gardener!!!

Oh, the irony! :D

Guess he's been building up his skills since then......:D :D :D

As a Bay supporter do you remember Rex Voigt.......and some of his more creative moments throughout the 70's.......

Uncle Steve

5 Apr 2002, 20:12

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Read what I wrote. Read what others have written. Cornes said Cornes milked it.

Might I make an observation?

Whether or not Cornes "milked it" is irrelevant. The fact remains it was a despicable act. It was well away from the play and Cornes was looking the other way when Granger let fly with his left hook.

I further make the observation that Granger also took out several other players over the course of that match: Stephen Barratt (a broken leg!), Ralph Sewer, and another whose name escapes me (MacTavish?).

Cornes has made several other comments about that match - allow me to quote from "Pride Of The Bay":
"After half time it was just the most unbelievable, sinister, ominous atmosphere. Every time a Glenelg player went near the ball, especially if David Granger was around the place, they seemed to get hurt".

In comparitively recent interviews, Granger himself has claimed that he was sent out by the Port coach solely to cause mayhem. After the game the club washed its hands of him. If true, then the whole incident is a sorry indictment on the then-coach and then-management of the Port Adelaide FC as well as Granger.

The man was a thug, and in that match he transcended common thuggery. The incident with Cornes is only a small - but notable - aspect of the whole affair.

Uncle Steve

5 Apr 2002, 20:20

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
Steve, so what your saying is that not only did we win more premierships, we had better thugs?
In Granger, Port had the master thug.

Isn't it interesting though, that people only remember the thugs from the winners?

Scanning through this thread I notice people have nominated sixties players from Sturt, mid-80s players (and one 70s) from Glenelg, A couple of late-80s players from North. A number of Port players have been mentioned, though the discussion has been polarised somewhat by Mr. Granger... The thugs all played in eras when their teams were successful.

Nobody has mentioned a thug from West, South or the Peckers yet; these teams have not had extended stays at the top of the ladder in memory.

By extension of this fact - that thugs are only remembered if the team is successful - we could remember that anyone who has ever worn the Magpies guernsey is a thug. :p

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 20:27

Originally posted by Uncle Steve

Salisbury was suspended 4 times in his career, despite numerous reports.

In his own words:

"Sometimes I was reported simply because I was playing very hard. The headlines were tough on my family, particularly my Mum. The media often blew everything out of proportion. The fact is I wasn't a very skilful or pretty player - actually I was shocking. I used to scare people."
(Sunday Mail, 8/8/99)

Now perhaps you'd care to post Granger's record, dreamy?

Well that makes them even as Granger was suspended four times throughout his career which involved 6 trips to the tribunal in his 103 games during 7 years at the club.

In reference to his final game in the 1982 Preliminary final.....

Glenelg had a 38 point lead late in the second term and looked to have the match in hand. But then on came David Granger. Almost 20 years later, Granger was to allege that he was instructed to step outside the laws of the game in order to unsettle the Tigers. This came as no surprise to supporters at the match, who witnessed Granger go on a rampage that eventually resulted in the 8 match suspension that ended his career at age 27. And it almost worked for Port, with Glenelg just able to cling on for a 1 point win.

Ironically, late in the game when Port trailed by only seven points. Granger was blatantly pushed in the back by Cornes but no free was awarded. As the siren sounded three police man ran towards Granger and escorted him to the players' race.

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 20:58

I was sitting in 'the members' that fateful day when Granger went nuts. I also saw a Port official hold up an orange clipboard which seemed to be the signal for some kind of thuggery. Every time the clipboard was waived, Dave would clobber, or try to clobber, someone. I truly believe his version of events over Jack's and the clubs. They set him up, then left him for dead.

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 21:03

Originally posted by Uncle Steve

In Granger, Port had the master thug.

Isn't it interesting though, that people only remember the thugs from the winners?

Scanning through this thread I notice people have nominated sixties players from Sturt, mid-80s players (and one 70s) from Glenelg, A couple of late-80s players from North. A number of Port players have been mentioned, though the discussion has been polarised somewhat by Mr. Granger... The thugs all played in eras when their teams were successful.

Nobody has mentioned a thug from West, South or the Peckers yet; these teams have not had extended stays at the top of the ladder in memory.

By extension of this fact - that thugs are only remembered if the team is successful - we could remember that anyone who has ever worn the Magpies guernsey is a thug. :p

Mainly because we don't remember much about anything losing at all.........

As for Granger I would agree he was probably the biggest thug I saw during my SANFL watching era but at the same time he was a talented Centre Half forward. Unfortunately we will never know the truth about the instructions he was given on the day.....but it was intersesting to know that was Cahill's last season at Port before going to Collingwood.

As for the other clubs you mentioned I remember the following players throwing a few punches throughout their careers
Trevor Grimwood, Bob Loveday & Ray Hays from Westies,
Ralph Sewer, Noel Teasdale & A Jackovich at the Peckers
Baynes, Slattery & Hateley at South.....

but I can't believe we have been realtively Norwood free at this point......surely John Wynne, Neil Button and Greg Turbill deserve a mention.......

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 21:12

Originally posted by dreamkillers

Well that makes them even as Granger was suspended four times throughout his career which involved 6 trips to the tribunal in his 103 games during 7 years at the club.

4 times in 7 years compared to Salisbury's 4 times in what 12 or so years is not quite what you would say even.

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 21:13

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
I was sitting in 'the members' that fateful day when Granger went nuts. I also saw a Port official hold up an orange clipboard which seemed to be the signal for some kind of thuggery. Every time the clipboard was waived, Dave would clobber, or try to clobber, someone. I truly believe his version of events over Jack's and the clubs. They set him up, then left him for dead.

I was sitting in the front row in front of the members as we did for all finals matches in the good old days........and also remember the clipboard being swung..........

I also remember being spat on, hit by umbrellas and general abuse trying to leave the ground afterwards.........so I was pretty happy when Norwood thumped them the following week.......

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 21:15

Originally posted by sapaul

4 times in 7 years compared to Salisbury's 4 times in what 12 or so years is not quite what you would say even.

depends Granger was only 27 when his career was over......who knows what would have happened if he was allowed to play on.......unless you can predict the unpredictable..........

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 21:23

Originally posted by sapaul

4 times in 7 years compared to Salisbury's 4 times in what 12 or so years is not quite what you would say even.

Maybe you should comment on what you have actually seen, rather than mere heresay? Has anyone ever pointed out to you that Granger could actually play great football? I bet not.........it's called selective memory.
I saw both these players and they were both nutcases. I still remember Salisbury trying to put Ando to sleep with a 'half-nelson' as he tried to 'spoil' him.
Granger was a thug, but vital to our success because he could completely dominate a game from CHF. Salisbury was nuts, and was just as vital to the Bays as a follower.

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 21:25

Originally posted by sapaul

So much for asking everybody to reveal who they support, you now can't name a Sturt thug, not 1 thug in our 5 flags in a row?

Sorry but for some reason my memory of football in the first 5 years of my life is pretty hazy......but I will get back to you on that one as I am sure Sturt weren't thug free........ :p

smithy

5 Apr 2002, 21:28

Originally posted by dreamkillers

depends Granger was only 27 when his career was over......who knows what would have happened if he was allowed to play on.......unless you can predict the unpredictable..........
Somehow dreamkillers I think your post actually makes Granger look a lot worse than salisbury.

Someone mentioned Robbie Muir earlier, I can tell you I played cricket with him at Port Noarlunga and he was just as bad in cricket.

Not as in striking people, but if you differentiate the intensity between both games and imagine a "cricket thug" you will know what I mean.

smithy

5 Apr 2002, 21:40

Originally posted by Santos L Helper

Has anyone ever pointed out to you that Granger could actually play great football?
Thats hardly his fault is it ?

I saw both these players and they were both nutcases. I still remember Salisbury trying to put Ando to sleep with a 'half-nelson' as he tried to 'spoil' him.
Granger was a thug, but vital to our success because he could completely dominate a game from CHF. Salisbury was nuts, and was just as vital to the Bays as a follower.

I remember Salisbury decking richard champion in a foundation cup GF and got 6 weeks, champion got severe concussion.

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 21:41

Originally posted by smithy

Thats hardly his fault is it ?

I call that selective editing. ;)

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 21:44

Originally posted by smithy

Somehow dreamkillers I think your post actually makes Granger look a lot worse than salisbury.

Someone mentioned Robbie Muir earlier, I can tell you I played cricket with him at Port Noarlunga and he was just as bad in cricket.

Not as in striking people, but if you differentiate the intensity between both games and imagine a "cricket thug" you will know what I mean.

possibly but it is the unknown........but then I also agree with Santos in that when Granger played football he was a very good centre half forward for the club.........

Robbie Muir was involved in an incident with a Darwin Buffaloes player after the preliminary final in the NTFL.......apparently a fair few punches were thrown between the player and Robbie and a security guard had to separate them..............Robbie was called on as a witness and basically said nothing in it we were just having some fun........

smithy

5 Apr 2002, 22:20

Originally posted by Santos L Helper

I call that selective editing. ;)

Yeah you got me,, darn it.

I can assure you that SAPAUL is old enough to have seen Granger play, not sure if he actually did see him play though.

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 22:21

Originally posted by Santos L Helper

Has anyone ever pointed out to you that Granger could actually play great football? I bet not

You're wrong again, I did actually see Granger play.

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 22:23

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
Steve, so what your saying is that not only did we win more premierships, we had better thugs?

Please tell me one of these days you will know the difference between your and you're.

smithy

5 Apr 2002, 22:24

Originally posted by dreamkillers

possibly but it is the unknown........but then I also agree with Santos in that when Granger played football he was a very good centre half forward for the club.........

CaN't argue with that.

Also with Bomber Clifford, probably the best executioner of a screwy I have seen, except for maybe Keith Kuhlmann.

And there's no doubting that Granger was a vicitm of the coaches rules, just like Carey, when you get punished for going in hard.:D :rolleyes:

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 22:29

Originally posted by sapaul

You're wrong again, I did actually see Granger play.

So after posting this previously, "I never went to many Sturt games as a kid". I take it you went to watch Port play instead.

Please tell me one of these days you will know the difference between your and you're.

I must congratulate you on picking out my mistakes with your and you're. Your (sic) very perceptive.
Please tell me you'll know what your (sic) talking about one of these days.

ps. I hope you understand what (sic) means.

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 22:31

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 22:39

Originally posted by smithy

CaN't argue with that.

Also with Bomber Clifford, probably the best executioner of a screwy I have seen, except for maybe Keith Kuhlmann.

And there's no doubting that Granger was a vicitm of the coaches rules, just like Carey, when you get punished for going in hard.:D :rolleyes:

very good.......:D

I used to love the fact that Bomber had to stay at the coaches house during finals campaigns so there was some control of his drinking habits.........yep Keith certainly was a good kick......

The best screwy I ever saw live was Brett Chalmers in a final against Norwood when he he was on the scorboard side of the ground about halfway between centre and the square......with the ball sailing through just under post height........and then there were the campaigns by Evans and Davies to kick as many balls as possible over the roof at each end of Footy Park.......in the good old days of the SANFL......

Santos L Helper

5 Apr 2002, 22:42

Originally posted by dreamkillers

very good.......:D

I used to love the fact that Bomber had to stay at the coaches house during finals campaigns so there was some control of his drinking habits.........yep Keith certainly was a good kick......

Yeah, staying at the coaches house just meant gambling and cheerleaders. Drinking was banned.:rolleyes: :D

smithy

5 Apr 2002, 22:48

Originally posted by dreamkillers

very good.......:D

....and then there were the campaigns by Evans and Davies to kick as many balls as possible over the roof at each end of Footy Park.......in the good old days of the SANFL......

They certainly did, I remember watching Jumbo kick 15 over my head in one match against Victoria,, I mean Westies in 83, but Timmy kicked 16 in a game once as well.

As for best kick,, we know he was hard, but Carey had a good screwy:)

smithy

5 Apr 2002, 22:51

And bomber clifford did enjoy a soothing winnie red at half time as well

Ford Fairlane

5 Apr 2002, 23:06

Originally posted by Uncle Steve

Might I make an observation?

Whether or not Cornes "milked it" is irrelevant. The fact remains it was a despicable act. It was well away from the play and Cornes was looking the other way when Granger let fly with his left hook.

I further make the observation that Granger also took out several other players over the course of that match: Stephen Barratt (a broken leg!), Ralph Sewer, and another whose name escapes me (MacTavish?).

Cornes has made several other comments about that match - allow me to quote from "Pride Of The Bay":
"After half time it was just the most unbelievable, sinister, ominous atmosphere. Every time a Glenelg player went near the ball, especially if David Granger was around the place, they seemed to get hurt".

In comparitively recent interviews, Granger himself has claimed that he was sent out by the Port coach solely to cause mayhem. After the game the club washed its hands of him. If true, then the whole incident is a sorry indictment on the then-coach and then-management of the Port Adelaide FC as well as Granger.

The man was a thug, and in that match he transcended common thuggery. The incident with Cornes is only a small - but notable - aspect of the whole affair.

Of course you can make an observation. In fact you've made several and they're all very good. But for one last time I will reiterate I chose that particular incident because it was the one in which the major protagonists agree nobody was hurt and can in fact come together and discuss quite rationally. For that reason I don't think the "milking" factor is irrelevant.

BTW I think it's Peter Maynard you're trying to remember.

Ford Fairlane

5 Apr 2002, 23:11

Originally posted by dreamkillers

very good.......:D

I used to love the fact that Bomber had to stay at the coaches house during finals campaigns so there was some control of his drinking habits.........yep Keith certainly was a good kick......

The best screwy I ever saw live was Brett Chalmers in a final against Norwood when he he was on the scorboard side of the ground about halfway between centre and the square......with the ball sailing through just under post height........and then there were the campaigns by Evans and Davies to kick as many balls as possible over the roof at each end of Footy Park.......in the good old days of the SANFL......

Whoops sorry to interrupt the flow there guys with one last attempt to lay the ghost of '82 to rest. Just got back from the basketball and having been having a read of what's been going on while I was away ...

But speaking of Dave, I remember him sinking a torp straight thru the middle with a heavy ball from the wing on the Bay Oval in 1981 to sink the Bays after they'd won the first 9 on the trot that year.

I also remember Scotty Hodges putting 15 over the head of a goal umpire in 1990 ... v West too I reckon. And 10.10 against Sturt too that year.

smithy

5 Apr 2002, 23:23

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane

I also remember Scotty Hodges putting 15 over the head of a goal umpire in 1990 ... v West too I reckon. And 10.10 against Sturt too that year.

10.10 against Sturt in 1990.
Yep I was at that game at Footy Park.

Very wet day, Hodges should of kicked 20 goals to be honest, and it was the return match of Ben Harris and Mark Williams IIRC.

Ben Harris didnt last long but Mark............he didnt become the complete coach after retirement until he was at the bays

Ford Fairlane

5 Apr 2002, 23:35

Originally posted by dreamkillers

Mainly because we don't remember much about anything losing at all.........

As for Granger I would agree he was probably the biggest thug I saw during my SANFL watching era but at the same time he was a talented Centre Half forward. Unfortunately we will never know the truth about the instructions he was given on the day.....but it was intersesting to know that was Cahill's last season at Port before going to Collingwood.

As for the other clubs you mentioned I remember the following players throwing a few punches throughout their careers
Trevor Grimwood, Bob Loveday & Ray Hays from Westies,
Ralph Sewer, Noel Teasdale & A Jackovich at the Peckers
Baynes, Slattery & Hateley at South.....

but I can't believe we have been realtively Norwood free at this point......surely John Wynne, Neil Button and Greg Turbill deserve a mention.......

Hey Dreamkillers, two of those Westies players came from Port!!! What are you trying to do to us???;)

Ron Hateley? The stick insect? You can't be serious .... I fell out of my chair laughing!!! How about substituting him with Peter Hines ... at least he was big!

Wynney and Turbs yeah no doubt - although Wynney was more lair than thug. How about Ugo Colasante? Not really a thug but tried to be a hard man. Brenton Klaebe was a wannabe tough guy in the 80s for Norwood. I still remember Phil Harrison cleaning him up in a final.

Ian Dettman at Woodville .. he had a bit of white line fever.

Duckworth and Gillies at Centrals. Some of their little guys were real pests too - van Dommele and Norsworthy. Spog Wylie (he was a big guy though).

Steve Hywood at Glenelg ... reputation as King of the Squirrel Grip. Syd Jackson in his half season at Glenelg handed out a bit.

Antrobus, Stephen Riley and Stephen Hay at North in the 80s. Daryl Webb in the 70s. Neil Sachse (:( ) - that was a tragedy.

Ian Hanna at Torrens didn't mind a bit of rough stuff.

Neil Kerley at South, West and Glenelg.

Ronnie Andrews in his brief stint at Westies ... maybe?

Of course I won't do Port players for fear of being seen to be condoning their actions, and we 've ascertained that Sturt had none... ;)

Ford Fairlane

5 Apr 2002, 23:39

Originally posted by smithy

10.10 against Sturt in 1990.
Yep I was at that game at Footy Park.

Very wet day, Hodges should of kicked 20 goals to be honest, and it was the return match of Ben Harris and Mark Williams IIRC.

Ben Harris didnt last long but Mark............he didnt become the complete coach after retirement until he was at the bays

I was in Fiji that day, rang home to Adelaide to find out the score. Was that the game where Greg Phillips drop kicked a goal?

You've just reminded me. John Fidge! Another one onto the thug list!

Mark the complete coach - you are too kind. And Chiggy is now the complete runner;) .

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 23:40

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane

Whoops sorry to interrupt the flow there guys with one last attempt to lay the ghost of '82 to rest. Just got back from the basketball and having been having a read of what's been going on while I was away ...

But speaking of Dave, I remember him sinking a torp straight thru the middle with a heavy ball from the wing on the Bay Oval in 1981 to sink the Bays after they'd won the first 9 on the trot that year.

I also remember Scotty Hodges putting 15 over the head of a goal umpire in 1990 ... v West too I reckon. And 10.10 against Sturt too that year.

Sounds like by the score in the basketball that we played into their hands........at least the mouth from the south should be unavailable for game 3........

The wing of the Bay Oval.......that would mean less distance than Chalmers kick but certainly a great effort with a heavy ball.....

Having seen Scotty kick heaps of goals - especially in his record breaking year when we had Buckley feeding him the ball on a string........my favourite Scotty moments would be the 1994 Grand Final when he played the second half with a knee injury and of course that kick to win the 1996 Grand Final.......

and to keep on the topic of thugs although this is a funny incident......I remember John Wynne's clearing the Sturt coaching box in the 1978 Grand Final.........and all he wanted to do wasy say hello to Jack....... :D :D

sapaul

5 Apr 2002, 23:52

Originally posted by Santos L Helper

So after posting this previously, "I never went to many Sturt games as a kid". I take it you went to watch Port play instead.

Note the word "many".I think a ? should be at the end of that last sentence too.

Ford Fairlane

5 Apr 2002, 23:54

Originally posted by dreamkillers

Sounds like by the score in the basketball that we played into their hands........at least the mouth from the south should be unavailable for game 3........

The wing of the Bay Oval.......that would mean less distance than Chalmers kick but certainly a great effort with a heavy ball.....

Having seen Scotty kick heaps of goals - especially in his record breaking year when we had Buckley feeding him the ball on a string........my favourite Scotty moments would be the 1994 Grand Final when he played the second half with a knee injury and of course that kick to win the 1996 Grand Final.......

and to keep on the topic of thugs although this is a funny incident......I remember John Wynne's clearing the Sturt coaching box in the 1978 Grand Final.........and all he wanted to do wasy say hello to Jack....... :D :D

I could not believe the number of 6ers shots that clunked iron and refused to drop. It was a horror. They were 15 down in the third, 14 at the 3/4 break. It should have been about 8. Farley missed an open court dunk on a turnover break (but he was sensational most of the night) and Sapwell missed two free throws on the buzzer. They whittled the lead down to 3 with a fair bit of time left in the last but just could not hit the clutch basket to grab the lead. For all that they just lost, and if Anstey doesn't come up must be looking good to go thru (call me Kiss of Death I know).

BTW hate to contradict a fellow Port supporter, but Scott broke the record in 1990 ... Buckley played his big year in 1992. I know how it is too many premierships to get them all straight ... :D

dreamkillers

5 Apr 2002, 23:57

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane

Hey Dreamkillers, two of those Westies players came from Port!!! What are you trying to do to us???;)

Ron Hateley? The stick insect? You can't be serious .... I fell out of my chair laughing!!! How about substituting him with Peter Hines ... at least he was big!

Wynney and Turbs yeah no doubt - although Wynney was more lair than thug. How about Ugo Colasante? Not really a thug but tried to be a hard man. Brenton Klaebe was a wannabe tough guy in the 80s for Norwood. I still remember Phil Harrison cleaning him up in a final.

Ian Dettman at Woodville .. he had a bit of white line fever.

Duckworth and Gillies at Centrals. Some of their little guys were real pests too - van Dommele and Norsworthy. Spog Wylie (he was a big guy though).

Steve Hywood at Glenelg ... reputation as King of the Squirrel Grip. Syd Jackson in his half season at Glenelg handed out a bit.

Antrobus, Stephen Riley and Stephen Hay at North in the 80s. Daryl Webb in the 70s. Neil Sachse (:( ) - that was a tragedy.

Ian Hanna at Torrens didn't mind a bit of rough stuff.

Neil Kerley at South, West and Glenelg.

Ronnie Andrews in his brief stint at Westies ... maybe?

Of course I won't do Port players for fear of being seen to be condoning their actions, and we 've ascertained that Sturt had none... ;)

Now where talking some names.......(noted spelling mistake :D )

The 2 Westies players did play a few games at Port but Ray Hays certainly enhanced his reputation at the Blood n Tars........I have to be careful with that club as both my father and grandfather played for them.......

Dad only got to the Under 19's until his jaw was re-arranged in a game back in Doug Thomas's days whilst my grand father actually captained the club - played from 1925-1934 and played 4 games of state footy between 1933-1934. But as I said in a different thread my Dad saw the light when marrying my mother on a Grand Final day where Port knocked off Westies......:D

Yep the stick insect used to throw a punch or 2 and then run for his life.........:p

Big Ugo.....now he was a laugh......as for being cleaned up by Phil Harrison......would have been funny to see someone get cleaned up by another stick........and as I mentioned Neil Button used throw his weight around.......

I remember the name Dettman but nothing else......

Centrals certainly had a reputation for some rough little men.......I also remember Peter Green trying to clean up some of our players in the 2 Grand Final's they lost against us.......

Antrobus was certainly someone who's name deserves mentioning in this thread......and then there was Trevor Sims another loose cannon.......

As for Sturt players I'll have some dirt by the end of the weekend.......I'm sure my mother would have seen some during her lifetime.......

Ford Fairlane

6 Apr 2002, 00:04

Originally posted by dreamkillers

Now where talking some names.......(noted spelling mistake :D )

The 2 Westies players did play a few games at Port but Ray Hays certainly enhanced his reputation at the Blood n Tars........I have to be careful with that club as both my father and grandfather played for them.......

Dad only got to the Under 19's until his jaw was re-arranged in a game back in Doug Thomas's days whilst my grand father actually captained the club - played from 1925-1934 and played 4 games of state footy between 1933-1934. But as I said in a different thread my Dad saw the light when marrying my mother on a Grand Final day where Port knocked off Westies......:D

Yep the stick insect used to throw a punch or 2 and then run for his life.........:p

Big Ugo.....now he was a laugh......as for being cleaned up by Phil Harrison......would have been funny to see someone get cleaned up by another stick........and as I mentioned Neil Button used throw his weight around.......

I remember the name Dettman but nothing else......

Centrals certainly had a reputation for some rough little men.......I also remember Peter Green trying to clean up some of our players in the 2 Grand Final's they lost against us.......

Antrobus was certainly someone who's name deserves mentioning in this thread......and then there was Trevor Sims another loose cannon.......

As for Sturt players I'll have some dirt by the end of the weekend.......I'm sure my mother would have seen some during her lifetime.......

Macca brought up some good uns in one of his earlier posts. Peter Green was among them ... I'd forgotten all about him. I believe he used the word "tool". Perfect description!:D He also mentioned Hannam from the Eagles. I was there the day he did his knee trying to biff a Port player ... idiot.

Doug Cox was another for Torrens. He once stomped on Scotty's knee in a pack and put him out for two weeks.

Stephen Sims was the North player - Trevor Sims played for Sturt - now there's some irony!;)

dreamkillers

6 Apr 2002, 00:33

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane

I could not believe the number of 6ers shots that clunked iron and refused to drop. It was a horror. They were 15 down in the third, 14 at the 3/4 break. It should have been about 8. Farley missed an open court dunk on a turnover break (but he was sensational most of the night) and Sapwell missed two free throws on the buzzer. They whittled the lead down to 3 with a fair bit of time left in the last but just could not hit the clutch basket to grab the lead. For all that they just lost, and if Anstey doesn't come up must be looking good to go thru (call me Kiss of Death I know).

BTW hate to contradict a fellow Port supporter, but Scott broke the record in 1990 ... Buckley played his big year in 1992. I know how it is too many premierships to get them all straight ... :D

We tend to have games like that at times........wouldn't have happened to the old West Adelaide Bearcats under Ken Richardson when he had Leroy Loggins, Al Green, Brad Dalton, Ray Wood and Peter Ali playing for him. Those were the days with Apollo, Forrestville and Bowden stadiums....or should we call them tin sheds.......

When you consider the side we have and all the pre season predictions Phil and the boys have done an almighty job......I hear there is a fair chance that Cattalini and Rogers will suit up for the 6'rs next season. .....just hope they can keep Farley as well - that would make an awesome line up with no egos amoongst them.

Must have been Gavin feeding Hodges in 1990 with Buckley feeding Tylor to 97 goals in 92.....far too many celebrations during that era......:D

dreamkillers

6 Apr 2002, 00:34

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane

Stephen Sims was the North player - Trevor Sims played for Sturt - now there's some irony!;)

must have had one too many drinks tonight........:D

Santos L Helper

6 Apr 2002, 08:25

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane

I was in Fiji that day, rang home to Adelaide to find out the score. Was that the game where Greg Phillips drop kicked a goal?

You've just reminded me. John Fidge! Another one onto the thug list!

Mark the complete coach - you are too kind. And Chiggy is now the complete runner;) .

Ford, Greg Phillips kicked the dropkick goal at Adelaide oval. Not exactly sure of the year, but we kicked about 34 goals against Sturt that day. I was on the hill and was part of the chorus yelling for him to 'kick a droppie'. He looked over, laughed and slotted it through..............wonderful stuff.

smithy

6 Apr 2002, 09:16

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane

Stephen Sims was the North player - Trevor Sims played for Sturt - now there's some irony!;)

See, there we go, proof that we've had 100 years of angels.;)

sapaul

6 Apr 2002, 10:09

Garry Hardemann? Matt Benson? John Murphy?

Uncle Steve

6 Apr 2002, 11:39

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
But speaking of Dave, I remember him sinking a torp straight thru the middle with a heavy ball from the wing on the Bay Oval in 1981 to sink the Bays after they'd won the first 9 on the trot that year.
Memories... I was there. I remember in the first quarter the Bays held Port to 0.1 while kicking 5 goals themselves. Then Port came back and ran over the top. Spewing.

The only strong memory of the game I have is Tim Evans standing on the goal line at the northern end, marking a ball which he could easily have let sail through for a goal, so he could kick it himself. He made a real show of it, holding it above his head while the Port crowd went spastic, then went back and promptly put the ball somewhere on the other side of ANZAC highway. Evans might have been able to kick a goal or two, but I always saw him as a bit of a selfish player - all too keen to snag the goals himself than to let his teammates get the glory. Evans was a good showman though. He played the crowd well.

Oh yeah, and I ran out onto the oval after the match and got Cornesey to sign my budget!

Uncle Steve

6 Apr 2002, 11:48

Originally posted by Santos L Helper

Ford, Greg Phillips kicked the dropkick goal at Adelaide oval.
Add his name to the list of Port thugs.

That fat slug had the temerity to plead "not guilty" to belting Steven Rattray despite the existence of explicit close-up video footage of the act. He also had the idiocy to claim provocation - implying that he did hit Rattray, despite the not-guilty plea.

He was found not guilty but let off with a bloody reprimand. This was the same match where Fidge got done for charging - sprinted (as much as his lardacious self could) from full-forward to the centre square and ran straight through Northeast (?) in retaliation for Northeast thumping Campbell Flower. Fidge rightfully pleaded guilty - and got two weeks. He might as well have lied, it worked for Phillips.

Blues_Brat

6 Apr 2002, 11:58

Originally posted by dreamkillers
As for Sturt players I'll have some dirt by the end of the weekend.......I'm sure my mother would have seen some during her lifetime.......
She'll be kept busy digging, not too many thugs in our history (more's the pity IMO, I think we needed a couple of hitmen).

Anyway what the **** have I walked in on here? LOL looks like someone has stirred up a hornet's nest. :)

We had a few tough nuts but none that were overly dirty. Rick Davies had a rep for lifting his elbows a bit, but I think that was a beat up, can't remember anyone being carried off on a stretcher after an encounter with him.

Did someone mention Phil Heinrich? ROFLMAO. Hardly a thug, his brother was probably a bit closer, although he was more undisicplined than a thug. That silly git cost us a game at Adelaide Oval with the amount of 50m penalties he gave away.

My two cents on the Johnston v Dilena incident. I don't think it was thuggery on Johnson's just a stupid undisciplined act that buggered up his chance of a premiership that year. I thought Dilena was pretty tough (or insane) to come back on and play a blinder. He said afterwards that he has no recollection of playing the game.

For Glenelg, Psycho Salisbury has been mentioned, the king of the coathanger tackle, has anyone mentioned the Stringer brothers? I always thought they were a bit nutty.

Anyone who doesn't think Granger was a thug has to have rocks in their head (or smoking his hedge), interesting he says that Cahill told him to go out and take out Cornes, Cahill says otherwise.

Blues_Brat

6 Apr 2002, 12:00

Oh yeah, gotta mention Gary Thugintosh. Wasn't he the first bloke sent off the footy field in SA?

Neil Balme was a nutbag in his short lived playing days in the SANFL.

Ford Fairlane

6 Apr 2002, 12:03

Originally posted by Santos L Helper

Ford, Greg Phillips kicked the dropkick goal at Adelaide oval. Not exactly sure of the year, but we kicked about 34 goals against Sturt that day. I was on the hill and was part of the chorus yelling for him to 'kick a droppie'. He looked over, laughed and slotted it through..............wonderful stuff.

Yeah I'm sure that was the same game Scotty kicked 10.10 v Sturt. And I reckon it was at Adelaide not Footy Park (sorry Smithy). I know I wasn't there to see it and no bugger taped it for me!

Macca19

6 Apr 2002, 12:04

Originally posted by sapaul

Certainly does.

Hypocrite. Youre allowed to call us feral and crap on about us, but of course its soooo wrong for Port supporters to bag anyone else :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

As for who got reported more times between Mcintosh/Salisbury/Clifford i dont know and i dont know where id find stats like that either. As for Jarman....before you go crapping on about whos talking crap, maybe you should see what he did to Hutton in the 90 Prelim Final first. Jarman has always had a bit of a dirty streak in him....like when he decked Wilson behind the play in Showdown 8....and when he decked Weidemann behind the play in the 93 Elimination Final. Sure he was an awesome player....one of the greats....but that doesnt mean he didnt have a dirty streak in him.

sapaul

6 Apr 2002, 12:05

Originally posted by Blues_Brat
Oh yeah, gotta mention Gary Thugintosh. Wasn't he the first bloke sent off the footy field in SA?

League, I think so, Shane Grimm was in the reserves many years earlier.

Ford Fairlane

6 Apr 2002, 12:06

Originally posted by dreamkillers

must have had one too many drinks tonight........:D
hahaha I suspected as much. It was getting late and you're usually deadly accurate on those details!:cool:

sapaul

6 Apr 2002, 12:07

Originally posted by Macca19

Hypocrite. Youre allowed to call us feral and crap on about us, but of course its soooo wrong for Port supporters to bag anyone else :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

All I did was agree with somebody elses comment.

Ford Fairlane

6 Apr 2002, 12:07

Originally posted by Uncle Steve

Add his name to the list of Port thugs.

That fat slug had the temerity to plead "not guilty" to belting Steven Rattray despite the existence of explicit close-up video footage of the act. He also had the idiocy to claim provocation - implying that he did hit Rattray, despite the not-guilty plea.

He was found not guilty but let off with a bloody reprimand. This was the same match where Fidge got done for charging - sprinted (as much as his lardacious self could) from full-forward to the centre square and ran straight through Northeast (?) in retaliation for Northeast thumping Campbell Flower. Fidge rightfully pleaded guilty - and got two weeks. He might as well have lied, it worked for Phillips.

Rattray! Another one on the list, just under Fidgy!