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Ok, other teams are talking, so just wondered: what you give up for Chris Judd? I think its a tough one. At first I though we could do a Collingwood (name our top 10 and give them two players outside that), but I found it difficult to fit all the players I wanted into 10.
So anyway, what do you guys think we should offer (if anything)?
marcmurphy3
16 Apr 2007, 18:22
Ok, other teams are talking, so just wondered: what you give up for Chris Judd? I think its a tough one. At first I though we could do a Collingwood (name our top 10 and give them two players outside that), but I found it difficult to fit all the players I wanted into 10.
So anyway, what do you guys think we should offer (if anything)?
I doubt WC would give Judd away for two players outside any clubs top ten.
I doubt WC would give Judd away for two players outside any clubs top ten.
Unfortunately they may not have a choice. Doubtful, but if he says I want to go back to VIC, what can they do?
Barwick17
16 Apr 2007, 18:30
Direct swap - Hawkins for Judd.....
marcmurphy3
16 Apr 2007, 18:31
Unfortunately they may not have a choice. Doubtful, but if he says I want to go back to VIC, what can they do?
Would certainly be very interesting to see what clubs would offer. No doubt a couple of clubs would offer players that we supporters would think of as untradable.
Big_Tazz
16 Apr 2007, 18:31
I doubt WC would give Judd away for two players outside any clubs top ten.
ash didnt say that, it was an idea.. read it properly.. and the answer to ash's question, i think the ONLY chance they would give him away, would be for a yound midfielder, chosen in the top 5, and a good forward, someone like Scott Welsh.. not the too flashy ones, but ones that get the job done
year of the cat
16 Apr 2007, 18:32
Joel Corey plus picks - won't be enough but there's a starting point.
darren forssman
16 Apr 2007, 18:32
we dont need judd...we have jimmeh
Would they accept a package deal with Charlie and the natural?
Big Nasty
16 Apr 2007, 18:55
Direct swap - Hawkins for Judd.....
no thanx
TassieCat
16 Apr 2007, 19:05
Direct swap - Hawkins for Judd.....
Uh, Nup!
Maximus76
16 Apr 2007, 19:09
I would give up hawkins for judd in a second..
Love hawkins but I would always swap potential for actual...
Not going to happen but only a fool would not give the house and sink for the king of football.
year of the cat
16 Apr 2007, 19:12
I would give up hawkins for judd in a second..
Love hawkins but I would always swap potential for actual...
Not going to happen but only a fool would not give the house and sink for the king of football.
I have waited 18 years for this kid....and you are not going to get rid of him no matter how good Judd is!!!!:p
Rockford
16 Apr 2007, 19:59
Direct swap - Hawkins for Judd.....
No, even if you could argue that Hawkins is still unproven at this level, he has the potential to dominate in the forward line for years to come. Gun KPP's are still more important than gun midfielders.
Inferno
16 Apr 2007, 20:07
Corey, Mackie, a defender or forward (not sure who) and 1st and 2nd picks.
Bartel and our first pick would seem reasonable to me... Especially for a guy (Judd) who looks as if he wants out.
Inferno
16 Apr 2007, 20:13
Bartel and our first pick would seem reasonable to me... Especially for a guy (Judd) who looks as if he wants out.I'd rather trade Corey then Jimmy and both would be reasonable.
mudgeathon
16 Apr 2007, 20:19
I'd want your best midfielder [Bartel or Chapman] + yourfirst round pick - Remeber to get qaulity you have to give qaulity. 3 average players + draft picks just doesn't cut it + we would have to delist players to fit them in
IMO out of any club in the AFL Judd would help yours the most - you need that quick, line breaking midfielder who kicks goals and breaks matches apart - most of yours appear one pased and lack match winning capabilities. That doesnt meen they aren't good [because some of your midfielders are guns]
I'd want your best midfielder [Bartel or Chapman] + yourfirst round pick - Remeber to get qaulity you have to give qaulity. 3 average players + draft picks just doesn't cut it + we would have to delist players to fit them in
IMO out of any club in the AFL Judd would help yours the most - you need that quick, line breaking midfielder who kicks goals and breaks matches apart - most of yours appear one pased and lack match winning capabilities. That doesnt meen they aren't good [because some of your midfielders are guns]
Corey and our first pick wouldn't be enough. I agree that we would need to give up either Chapman, G.Ablett or Bartel and our first pick to be a chance. We did very well in last years draft, I wouldn't hesitate to trade any one of those mentioned and our first pick for Judd.
Rockford
16 Apr 2007, 20:37
Corey and our first pick wouldn't be enough. I agree that we would need to give up either Chapman, G.Ablett or Bartel and our first pick to be a chance. We did very well in last years draft, I wouldn't hesitate to trade any one of those mentioned and our first pick for Judd.
As much as it would pain me I'd also trade Chappy or Bartel plus a pick for Judd. I'd try and get away with trading Ling and Corey and a pick first though ;)
Judd is an awesome player, but i cant think of anyone I'd want to let go. This team has been building for a few years, we don't need a ring in to go all the way. Have faith and save some cash!
Well said. My heart agrees with you but this is what my head agrees with
B: D Johnson Scarlett Egan
HB: Milburn Harley Rooke
C: Wojinski Bartel Chapman
HF: Kelly Mooney G Ablett
F: S Johnson N Ablett Hawkins
Foll: Ottens, Ling, JUDD
Thats imagining we traded Corey + Enright + Maybe an Early draft pick + Even a hack for good luck ( Gardinar/ Playfair)
sarah.13
16 Apr 2007, 21:10
Judd is an awesome player, but i cant think of anyone I'd want to let go. This team has been building for a few years, we don't need a ring in to go all the way. Have faith and save some cash!
Agree,remember all the angst the Moloney trade created, just imagine if Chappy,Ablett or Bartel were used, I for one would give them away.p.s. Moloney wasn't even an established player.
As mentioned earlier Geelong has more depth than anyone in the league, I am sure we can easily fill 2 departures of one paced quality.For a superstar.
Not to mention the off field benefits of JUDD
+ Memberships
+ Attendances to see him
+ ( Pressure of Bartel, and especially Ling )
Claude Balls
16 Apr 2007, 21:32
If Geelong knew they were a chance to get Judd, they would be derelict in their duties if they did not offer AT LEAST Joel Corey plus a first round pick, or something similar. I would even reconcile myself to the idea of trading Jimmeh, though I would be saddened, given he is our best pure midfielder and a tough one at that. Corey and a first rounder would be a dream deal come to think of it.
sarah.13
16 Apr 2007, 21:35
If Geelong knew they were a chance to get Judd, they would be derelict in their duties if they did not offer AT LEAST Joel Corey plus a first round pick, or something similar. I would even reconcile myself to the idea of trading Jimmeh, though I would be saddened, given he is our best pure midfielder and a tough one at that. Corey and a first rounder would be a dream deal come to think of it.
That's reasonable ,maybe throw in Spencer to sweeten the deal.
I'd be real reluctant to deal anyone taken under the Father?Son rule.
IMO, there are some things that make the fabric of a football club, and history is one of those. To send a kid like Nathan or Gary Jnr to the WCE would send the wrong message for not only the great servants (Fathers) of our club, but also any possible new champs (Sons).
I'm not saying they are a protected species, but i would have to think long and hard about the effect it would have on the club.
But it is Chris Judd we are talking here, so i guess if he nominates us as his preferred club, you give the WCE whatever they want.
Yep, thats how you do a backflip in 2 paragraphs.
Don't mind me, i'm rambling............................
Claude Balls
16 Apr 2007, 21:40
That's reasonable ,maybe throw in Spencer to sweeten the deal.
lol... and Playfair, Byrnes and Charlie while we're at it:thumbsu:
Claude Balls
16 Apr 2007, 21:43
I'd be real reluctant to deal anyone taken under the Father?Son rule.
IMO, there are some things that make the fabric of a football club, and history is one of those. To send a kid like Nathan or Gary Jnr to the WCE would send the wrong message for not only the great servants (Fathers) of our club, but also any possible new champs (Sons).
I'm not saying they are a protected species, but i would have to think long and hard about the effect it would have on the club.
But it is Chris Judd we are talking here, so i guess if he nominates us as his preferred club, you give the WCE whatever they want.
Yep, thats how you do a backflip in 2 paragraphs.
Don't mind me, i'm rambling............................
I like your post, very amusing. I actually agree with you there, despite my earlier post. I think that the Abletts' are probably sacred given their bloodline and what they represent for the club and supporters. Though anyone else I would concede... bar Hawkins and maybe even Selwood...
Rockford
16 Apr 2007, 21:51
I like your post, very amusing. I actually agree with you there, despite my earlier post. I think that the Abletts' are probably sacred given their bloodline and what they represent for the club and supporters. Though anyone else I would concede... bar Hawkins and maybe even Selwood...
and Scarlett and Blake then? They're both father-son picks as well.
Thats imagining we traded Corey + Enright + Maybe an Early draft pick + Even a hack for good luck ( Gardinar/ Playfair)
Worsfold is a hard head, but he's not stupid. :cool:
catzfan
16 Apr 2007, 22:07
what do the eagles need obviously a midfielder to replace judd and a key forward also so maybe corey #1 and #2 picks in the draft plus mooney? would never trade bartel by the way even straight swap heart and soul of the club
Claude Balls
16 Apr 2007, 22:14
and Scarlett and Blake then? They're both father-son picks as well.
My point is that the Ablett boys are more than just literal father-son picks. They are part of Geelong legend... thus they represent to the fans so much more than a simple connection to a past player. I.e. neither of them would want to go, and the Geelong Football Club would be burnt to the ground if they were forced. Having said that, you know I would trade Blake in the blink of an eye, and would probably trade Scarlett as he is 27 or so.
To be honest, I am not sure whether I want Judd, as good as he is. I would hate to see us "buy" a premiership. The current team has been built up steadily over a number of years now, and apart from Ottens, I think everyone is pretty much home grown. I think we have the crop to win a flag in the next few years without getting Judd. Also, if he came over would we have the salary cap space to pay for him (around $1 mill / year). And would we make him captain rather than Harley?
TassieCat
16 Apr 2007, 22:34
To be honest, I am not sure whether I want Judd, as good as he is. I would hate to see us "buy" a premiership. The current team has been built up steadily over a number of years now, and apart from Ottens, I think everyone is pretty much home grown. I think we have the crop to win a flag in the next few years without getting Judd. Also, if he came over would we have the salary cap space to pay for him (around $1 mill / year). And would we make him captain rather than Harley?
Great point, let the boys we have now do their stuff!;)
year of the cat
16 Apr 2007, 22:46
To be honest, I am not sure whether I want Judd, as good as he is. I would hate to see us "buy" a premiership. The current team has been built up steadily over a number of years now, and apart from Ottens, I think everyone is pretty much home grown. I think we have the crop to win a flag in the next few years without getting Judd. Also, if he came over would we have the salary cap space to pay for him (around $1 mill / year). And would we make him captain rather than Harley?
I'm pretty sure I could still sleep at night if we "bought" a premiership. Every team trades, why should we hold the high moral ground while some other team snaps him up and has success. If Judd wants to leave at years end and we haven't won the flag then we would be derelict to not at least try to get him. West Coast will want a decent trade - it would be interesting to see what other clubs would offer. Unlike Collingwood and the Kangaroos, who have been mentioned recently, we at least have some decent players who are tradable.
There are some untouchables though - G.Ablett, N.Ablett, Scarlett, Chapman, Mooney, Hawkins, and Bartel. Everyone else is fair game.
To be honest, I am not sure whether I want Judd, as good as he is. I would hate to see us "buy" a premiership.
I understand your point, but this is the way of the game these days. Today the game is about money, and premierships generate lots of it. In this vein, Geelong or any other club for that matter would think if Judd as an investment, and a dam good one.
Judd would fill a huge gap in our side right now too!! He has won the contested possession count for last 2 years, and we have soft midfielders who won't go in and get the ball. Bartel is good, but Judd is in a different class.
sarah.13
16 Apr 2007, 23:23
North will be able to offer 2 first round Draft picks for a start!!!
marcmurphy3
16 Apr 2007, 23:47
North will be able to offer 2 first round Draft picks for a start!!!
How will they be able to do that? I suspect they could maybe do Wells and pick 1 for Judd but I doubt he would go there (Gold Coast factor).
North will be able to offer 2 first round Draft picks for a start!!!
Very true. Wouldn't you just hate to see him go to the roos?? What a waste...
If Judd decides to leave then it will be simular to the Ottens deal where a club of choice is nominated and then the hard work begins. Lets face it, any club would welcome him with open arms (and wallets) and every club will magically find enough room in their cap to fit him in. I would think that the Eagles would want a top player + two high first round picks so that means two players minimum would have to go. One straight to the Eagles and another to a club willing to give away their first pick. Certainly will upset team harmony but Judd is probably worth it.
Partridge
17 Apr 2007, 00:11
Ok, other teams are talking, so just wondered: what you give up for Chris Judd? I think its a tough one. At first I though we could do a Collingwood (name our top 10 and give them two players outside that), but I found it difficult to fit all the players I wanted into 10.
So anyway, what do you guys think we should offer (if anything)?
Nothing. Premierships aren't built on one player. You need a solid, consistent list from top to bottom (which West Coast have). We aren't the best but in all seriousness I think we're moving in the right direction. There's a solid core there now. I can't see why you'd give up good players and draft picks for anyone.
Plus - Judd's very good, but he's a midfielder. And there are plenty of them. We need key forwards a bit more urgently.
Just my view on things anyway.
Judd would be brilliant, but lets be realistic, if Judd wants out (believe it if/when I see it) it'd cost too much, you'd have to gut the team to get him because everyone else wants him too. We'd create another weakness by solving the midfield one. Don't think he'll leave WC anyway.
Plus - Judd's very good, but he's a midfielder. And there are plenty of them. We need key forwards a bit more urgently.
What planet have you been living on?!! We now have Mooney, Ottens, Nablett, and Hawkins... and Grima recently kicked 6 goals in the reserves. Don't forget The Natural too! If anything, we will need good tall defenders to replace Scarlett, Milburn and Harley when they retire soon. Plus quick midfielders which is exactly what Judd is.
sarah.13
17 Apr 2007, 00:38
How will they be able to do that? I suspect they could maybe do Wells and pick 1 for Judd but I doubt he would go there (Gold Coast factor).
How you ask? Well the way they are going they will finish last and get a priority pick as well = 2 first round Draft picks. Throw in Wells and all of the sudden looks interesting for the Eagles.
RememberMe
17 Apr 2007, 01:31
lol... and Playfair, Byrnes and Charlie while we're at it:thumbsu:
And we may as well throw in a few buckets to go with that shit. :D
RememberMe
17 Apr 2007, 01:38
How you ask? Well the way they are going they will finish last and get a priority pick as well = 2 first round Draft picks. Throw in Wells and all of the sudden looks interesting for the Eagles.
The Roos might be prepared to go all out to get some sort of success and save their sinking ship that was a football club... 1 million is pretty much on the table, but what would that do to a club like Geelong? Judd is good, but he's not that good. The salary cap these days is only about 7.5-8 million. Players would walk and we would go to shit. Judd is good, but he's not that good that it's worth destroying our club. We can win premierships without Judd, and I have no doubt about that.
The Roos might be prepared to go all out to get some sort of success and save their sinking ship that was a football club... 1 million is pretty much on the table, but what would that do to a club like Geelong? Judd is good, but he's not that good. The salary cap these days is only about 7.5-8 million. Players would walk and we would go to shit. Judd is good, but he's not that good that it's worth destroying our club. We can win premierships without Judd, and I have no doubt about that.
totally agree Remember
scottydeewah
17 Apr 2007, 02:16
wouldn't want him for what we would have to give and pay him. He is an ABSOLUTE GUN
BUT
Because of the massive price tag and trade bait needed he is WAY OVERRATED as NO player is worth over 1/6 of the salary cap designed for 40 players, ESPECIALLY when that player isn't the obvious best player on their team.
I would rather Kerr.
Partridge
17 Apr 2007, 10:59
What planet have you been living on?!! We now have Mooney, Ottens, Nablett, and Hawkins... and Grima recently kicked 6 goals in the reserves. Don't forget The Natural too! If anything, we will need good tall defenders to replace Scarlett, Milburn and Harley when they retire soon. Plus quick midfielders which is exactly what Judd is.
Let's go through them. Mooney is established, Ottens is not a forward, N.Ablett has played 13 games, Hawkins 2 and Grima none. What happens if Mooney or Ablett do a knee? What happens if all our ruckman get hurt and Mooney is thrown into the ruck.
I just can't justify the amount of good players we'd have to give up.
grenwolf2684
17 Apr 2007, 11:33
You can only afford to have one Marque player on your list such as Brown, Tredrea, Riewoldt commands 600,000 + a year.
Geelong will have to pay about 600,000 Hawkins that in a few years.
They will have to pay Nathan Ablett about 400,000.
They are going to be the two we built the team around, club, marketing.
To have Chris Judd would take one million. We don't have the room.
Neither do St Kilda with Riewoldt.
Port Adelaide with Tredrea.
Western Bulldogs would have got themselves in tight with money with after Akermanis.
Hawthorn will need to pay Franklin 500,000+ in time.
Carlton with Fevola. Murphy and Gibbs will grow to command 400,000+
Richmond have spent to much for Nathan Brown, Simmonds, etc to have room.
Essendon have Loyd and Lucas who would both command large figures.
Clubs that don't have a marque player and have money are the only ones who will get him.
Collingwood with no big player who commands huge money with Nathan Buckley leaving.
Melbourne with no huge player commanding that money.
Kangaroos with no huge play commanding that money.
Unless Judd takes a massive drop from that one million.
Those three clubs are the only Melbourne clubs who can realistically play in a bidding war.
you guys are forgetting he is the best midfielder in the comp...and probably the best midfielder of all time. prem captain, brownlow, and all those lovely things he can put on his cv...
if he wants to come to geelong he is welcome. 1st, 2nd, and joel corey is fair trade. otherwise wegles would get nothing and lose him in the pre season for nothing.
if he wants to come back to victoria...i have a feeling a victorian side is going to win the spoon so that might scare westcoast just a tad bit and they will be willing to compromise.
and about the cash. well u take out king (iether we trade him or delist)
and corey's salary+what ever cash we have on reserve and what do you know:) . there are overpaid players at the club...they iether take a pay cut or its the high road...
im thinking of u kelly, king and ling lol.
btw players want premierships not money. theyd back down from outragiouse wage demands if they know there getting a solid contributer in the form of judd.
midfield would own
we already have the youngest and argubly the best forward line hehe (its my opinion and im sticking to it)
and our defence isnt what you would call weak. and we have decent ruckmen and good depth...what do you know premiership team on the horrizon
patdman
17 Apr 2007, 11:41
and probably the best midfielder of all time
ahhhh no but just like you his manager and the WC will try and tell you that. You could even argue that he isnt the best one on that team.
Kerr
Cousins (pre recent events)
unlike those 2 judd is the only one who doesnt have off field issues....i know which one would be good for our locker room. do you?
linelefty
17 Apr 2007, 13:00
Jst thought I'd give my 2bobs worth from a West Aussie Cats supporters p.o.v.
I think Judd will go at the end of the year. There's a clear motivation for players to sign contracts asap so they can concentrate on the season ahead so why not Judd?
Despite the fact that he's a gun, there isn't the hero worship over here that was experienced in the days of Turley, Mainwaring, Jacko, Woosha etc. Judd doesnt have much of a personality and his aloofness doesnt really endear him to the public as much as some of the nicer guys at WCE like.....hang on there isnt one (chicky?), anyway the point still stands
The off field behaviour off his mates must be gettign to him and the pull of moving home would be pretty strong.
linelefty
17 Apr 2007, 13:14
In other news, I know the eagles pretty well, lets look at their needs and wether we can fill 'em. ITs not just about what we'd offer its about any gaps or weaknesses in their team that they need to fill. And lets face it there aint many.
Big Forwards
They have pinch hitters like Staker/Hansen/Embley but Lynch is the only true FF. So they may ask for Hawkins/NAbblet. They could do with a good CHF but Mitch Brown looks promising.
Little ForwardsArmstrong and Sampi are OK but I think they'd be looking at a Varcoe to replace Sampi.
Midfielders
They don't have an absolute speedster in the class of Deledio, Brett Peake, Monica or Davey. So I reckon they'd look at Woji. Goal kicking middies, Chappy and Abblett would also be pretty attractive as Braun, Cuz. Kerr and co. dont kick as many goals as they'd like.
Big Defenders
Glass, Hunter, Graham, Brett Jones plus flexibility with Staker. No go here
Little Defenders
Wirra is getting on, they may look for a young player with potential to be replace him as the sweeper/loose man? Could that be Prismall? Corey does a good job but is he young enough?
Ruckmen
Seaby and Cox are still pretty youngish, and they have Spaanderman in the wings.
From this analysis, I think the players they would be interested in would be interested in would be Hawkins, NAbblet, Monica, Varcoe, Prismall, Chapman and/or Gary Jnr. Throw in a couple of those plus 1s rnd draft picks and you might have a deal.
Rockford
17 Apr 2007, 13:23
In other news, I know the eagles pretty well, lets look at their needs and wether we can fill 'em. ITs not just about what we'd offer its about any gaps or weaknesses in their team that they need to fill. And lets face it there aint many.
Big Forwards
They have pinch hitters like Staker/Hansen/Embley but Lynch is the only true FF. So they may ask for Hawkins/NAbblet. They could do with a good CHF but Mitch Brown looks promising.
Little ForwardsArmstrong and Sampi are OK but I think they'd be looking at a Varcoe to replace Sampi.
Midfielders
They don't have an absolute speedster in the class of Deledio, Brett Peake, Monica or Davey. So I reckon they'd look at Woji. Goal kicking middies, Chappy and Abblett would also be pretty attractive as Braun, Cuz. Kerr and co. dont kick as many goals as they'd like.
Big Defenders
Glass, Hunter, Graham, Brett Jones plus flexibility with Staker. No go here
Little Defenders
Wirra is getting on, they may look for a young player with potential to be replace him as the sweeper/loose man? Could that be Prismall? Corey does a good job but is he young enough?
Ruckmen
Seaby and Cox are still pretty youngish, and they have Spaanderman in the wings.
From this analysis, I think the players they would be interested in would be interested in would be Hawkins, NAbblet, Monica, Varcoe, Prismall, Chapman and/or Gary Jnr. Throw in a couple of those plus 1s rnd draft picks and you might have a deal.
I wouldn't want to see Hawkins, Nath, Chapman or Gary go anywhere.
Maybe SJ will have a resurgent season, stay fit and they'd consider him as a small forward option to replace Sampi? I could live with Corey + SJ + picks.
they can have varco, and joel corey with a second round draft pick...its not highway robbery ppl.
if he wants us they have to come to the table and thats that or else they would lose him for nothing.
he would want to come to a successful club and looking at it geelong, bulldogs, and the saints are the strongest vic sides. then you look at the hawks, essendon, and carlton who are on the up.
but were in a good chance. we can trade good players and we would be interested.
the hawks would be a danger if they had hodge, judd, and franklin thats pretty devistating. not to mention all thier other young talents.
Rockford
17 Apr 2007, 14:27
they can have varco, and joel corey with a second round draft pick...its not highway robbery ppl.
if he wants us they have to come to the table and thats that or else they would lose him for nothing.
he would want to come to a successful club and looking at it geelong, bulldogs, and the saints are the strongest vic sides. then you look at the hawks, essendon, and carlton who are on the up.
but were in a good chance. we can trade good players and we would be interested.
the hawks would be a danger if they had hodge, judd, and franklin thats pretty devistating. not to mention all thier other young talents.
I'm sure we'd jump at Varcoe, Corey and a 2nd round pick for Judd but I have doubts that would be enough. Also, Melbourne are the club that Judd supported as a kid, they're not a bad side either and that may be his first choice if he was to come back to Victoria.
linelefty
17 Apr 2007, 14:37
Davey + Bate for Judd? Plus why not throw in Moloney for a bit of a sweetner...
Rockford
17 Apr 2007, 14:47
Davey + Bate for Judd? Plus why not throw in Moloney for a bit of a sweetner...
Would be interesting to know how Demon supporters would feel about that trade? If I were a Dees supporter I'd be more than happy with it, and it looks like the sort of things that West Coast may go for? Fills some holes for them.
RememberMe
17 Apr 2007, 15:13
Bate is shit. I'd rather have Mackie on my team than Bate.
Tonycam*
17 Apr 2007, 15:29
Joel Corey would absolutely hate to go to the eagles. Thats his pet hate team in the afl because they over looked him. He would be p'off badly if it happened. Not that he would have a say in it.
linelefty
17 Apr 2007, 16:27
Really? They overlooked him? He is a sandgroper isnt he....Why has his name been mentioned so much, do we think he's expendable?
Another factor would be who's getting the top 2 draft picks this year. One of the more successful vic clubs might trade away players to get the 1st pick and then forward it on.
So lets assume the Kangas get it, then we could muse over the permuations of use sending players to the roos to get that pick....
Mooney_d'King
17 Apr 2007, 16:57
WHY TRADING FOR JUDD COULD BE VERY STUPID
1. THE RICHMOND/ROOS SCENARIO
What if the rest of your team's a bit crap - you give away two of your better players, 1 or 2 top draft picks then the guy's expected to lift the team all by himself? You've got no more depth left in your side? The guy goes down injured, which WILL happen again one day and you're up shit creek again with only crap players remaining?
2. THE FREO/ESSENDON/PIES ETC SCENARIO
What if you've got a good team, take a punt on Judd being able to win you a premiership, pay through the nose for him and you end up gambling your future away when you don't win a flag after all?
I'm sure there are other similar scenarios but I can't think of any.
PLUS, West Coast wouldn't take any rubbish players. IMO, the only way a trade for Judd would be equitable for ALL parties would be ONE good player and ONE good (round 1) draft pick, maximum. Anything more than that would not be worth it, even for Judd.
Teams that would benefit most from having Judd need good depth, KPPs forward and back or good youth already and would probably be Hawthorn, Geelong, Essendon and maybe Melbourne, St Kilda, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, or the Lions.
Judd barracked for Melbourne as a kid, so it seems most likely to me that he would consider Melbourne above all the others, but I don't think they've got a premiership window opening up. I doubt he'd stay in Perth, I doubt he'd go to Adelaide, Sydney or Brisbane given that he's a Melbourne boy.
what about wat happend at the lions? ino its a completly different player and age. But Jason Akermanis was a gun at brisbane and we got nothing for him, he won a brownlow, woulda been second in a normsmith, and won 3 premierships. And we got some terrible draft pick.
ino this is an unreasonable comparrison but it just shows you, when a player wants to leave and doesnt have any intention in staying at the club. The club holding player doesnt have much option
How about we get rid of bomber... and take on Judd as a captain/coach... This way we can pay him $250000 as a player and $750000 as a coach. Salary Cap issue solved :thumbsu:
what about wat happend at the lions? ino its a completly different player and age. But Jason Akermanis was a gun at brisbane and we got nothing for him, he won a brownlow, woulda been second in a normsmith, and won 3 premierships. And we got some terrible draft pick.
ino this is an unreasonable comparrison but it just shows you, when a player wants to leave and doesnt have any intention in staying at the club. The club holding player doesnt have much option
Very good point... Although the demand for Judd would be far higher than that of Akermains due to the age difference. If Judd wanted to leave, I'm sure every club in the league would make an offer.
How about we get rid of bomber... and take on Judd as a captain/coach... This way we can pay him $250000 as a player and $750000 as a coach. Salary Cap issue solved :thumbsu:
The Natural makes a better captain/coach and costs less.