View Full Version : The Adam Selwood saga - do you think it will effect Joel?
Pretty disturbing allegations surrounding the Selwood-Headland incident in the Western Derby on the weekend. Now I'm not saying what Selwood said to Headland is true, as I wasn't there, but if it was, the fact that it was Joel's brother who reportedly said those disgusting remarks, would you think Joel will cop any sledging about it, either from opposition players or supporters?
I'm sure Nathan and Gary get abused, particularly from opposition supporters, because of the sins of their father, so I wouldn't be surprised if some opposition supporters try and tar Joel with the same brush as his brother.
haywood jablome
16 Apr 2007, 23:35
Err... No? Anyone that would try give the Abletts shit for Gary Snr are clearly ****ing stupid, he was one of the greatest footballers to step on the field.
From all accounts, Joel's a pretty level-headed mature kid. I wouldn't imagine he'd let anything personal effect his performances out on the field.
As for any sledging, I think he's shown to date he's more than happy to dish any physical treatment right back (and then some).
cats2rise
17 Apr 2007, 00:18
It wont get to him I do not think. There will be remarks in the crowd such as 'Effing Pig like your brother' I would presume, but what can you do?
Rockford
17 Apr 2007, 00:45
I don't think it'll get to him, and I hope the comments that I've heard about aren't what was said, really disappointing if true and a fine barely covers it.
chapmanmagic35
17 Apr 2007, 01:02
Doubt it. Matters little when he is trying to get a kick at Geelong.
Ordinary thing to say (if true). Headland took it too far on the field. In fact, he embarassed himself as well.
crowm dome
17 Apr 2007, 01:10
It wont get to him I do not think. There will be remarks in the crowd such as 'Effing Pig like your brother' I would presume, but what can you do?
spot on, there will always be knobs in the crowd that try and draw comparisons with no knowledge of the kid himself.....its as old as footy itself.
RememberMe
17 Apr 2007, 01:23
Comments were bad, but its a game of football. Head to an amateur game and you will hear a million times worse crap than that. Shit, me and my friends laugh at each other and call our sisters ****s and stuff. It's not like he was serious. Headland is just an angry little man that will go down in history as one of hte worst #1 draft picks. He is an oaf who knew no better than to respond with violence. He's like the guy starting fights at school and then saying, 'yeh but, he said my sister/mum/grandma wears army boots.' The whole thing has been blown out of the water IMO.
CatmanForever
17 Apr 2007, 01:31
I think that whole incident has been discussed to death in the main BF forum and Bay 13, we don't need to discuss it here.
Copernicus
17 Apr 2007, 01:41
I wouldn't think so. Joel would know that anyone stupid enough to make such comments isn't worth listening to in the first place.
RememberMe
17 Apr 2007, 01:45
I wouldn't think so. Joel would know that anyone stupid enough to make such comments isn't worth listening to in the first place.
Nobody would be sane enough to give shit to Joel when our team consists of players like Mooney, Chapman, Milburn and Scarlett.
I think that whole incident has been discussed to death in the main BF forum and Bay 13, we don't need to discuss it here.
Yeah I'm starting to get the shits with Freo and West Coast nuffies going at each other.
RememberMe
17 Apr 2007, 02:57
Perhaps if someone did have the balls to try and rev up Joel Selwood, he'd have the intelligence to take it with a grain of salt and realise that there's a game of football to be played and that to rev him up is all they are trying to do?
Copernicus
17 Apr 2007, 03:01
Perhaps if someone did have the balls to try and rev up Joel Selwood, he'd have the intelligence to take it with a grain of salt and realise that there's a game of football to be played and that to rev him up is all they are trying to do?
You'd think he's a bit brighter than Headland, wouldn't you? The man is thick as a brick.
Purple Passion
17 Apr 2007, 03:05
Comments were bad, but its a game of football. Head to an amateur game and you will hear a million times worse crap than that. Shit, me and my friends laugh at each other and call our sisters ****s and stuff. It's not like he was serious. Headland is just an angry little man that will go down in history as one of hte worst #1 draft picks. He is an oaf who knew no better than to respond with violence. He's like the guy starting fights at school and then saying, 'yeh but, he said my sister/mum/grandma wears army boots.' The whole thing has been blown out of the water IMO.
Obviously you don't got any kids, funny how some people are kissing WCoke's a**, its pathetic that you'd criticize someone for standing up for their kid
I can picture it now, some kid smacking or shouting at your kid and he runs up to you and tells you and you get mad at him for getting smacked, it must be a cold cold world you live in when people are criticized for loving their children OMG
And_ROOS
17 Apr 2007, 03:15
Ive had much worse said at me then Headland did, yes its not pleasent but its also not personal. Selwood doesnt know Headland or his daughter, and while what was said was in very very poor taste, Des should have been a man and not a boy and not have bought into it.
Whats better retribution? Responding by hitting Selwood with a legal, hard, well timed bump and helping his team to victory, or cracking the sh*ts, hitting out and costing his team by being suspended?
If it were a Voss or a Buckley, they would have laughed it off, told Selwood to get a touch other then one on himself, and kept going. Hence the gap in class between guys like Voss, and chump change like Des.
Jim Boy
17 Apr 2007, 09:01
Obviously you don't got any kids, funny how some people are kissing WCoke's a**, its pathetic that you'd criticize someone for standing up for their kid
I can picture it now, some kid smacking or shouting at your kid and he runs up to you and tells you and you get mad at him for getting smacked, it must be a cold cold world you live in when people are criticized for loving their children OMG
Exhibit A- how to work yourself into a lather.
chapmanmagic35
17 Apr 2007, 10:30
Obviously you don't got any kids, funny how some people are kissing WCoke's a**, its pathetic that you'd criticize someone for standing up for their kid
I can picture it now, some kid smacking or shouting at your kid and he runs up to you and tells you and you get mad at him for getting smacked, it must be a cold cold world you live in when people are criticized for loving their children OMG
It's a very ordinary thing to say if the comments are true from Selwood, but Headland looked like a fool the way he acted on the ground.
He is an un-disciplined headcase.
Ive had much worse said at me then Headland did, yes its not pleasent but its also not personal. Selwood doesnt know Headland or his daughter, and while what was said was in very very poor taste, Des should have been a man and not a boy and not have bought into it.
Whats better retribution? Responding by hitting Selwood with a legal, hard, well timed bump and helping his team to victory, or cracking the sh*ts, hitting out and costing his team by being suspended?
If it were a Voss or a Buckley, they would have laughed it off, told Selwood to get a touch other then one on himself, and kept going. Hence the gap in class between guys like Voss, and chump change like Des.
Extremely well said.
I feel as though this saga will give Adam Selwood a terrible reputation for the rest of his career. These kind of things are probably said regularly on the football field, Adam has just said it to the wrong person (i am not condoning his behaviour just stating the facts) But hey it worked a treat Headland lost his cool and Freo lost the match. (maybe that is condoning it a bit, sorry)
This will effect JOEL SELWOOD a lot.
It is often reported the closeness between the Selwood brothers. And Joel often mentions that he is in regular contact with his brothers who give him advice and mentoring. I dare say Joel would look upto his older brother Adam who has played in a premiership and played international rules. Such a scandal would rock a close family like the Selwoods in a significant way.
Who cares, havent we all heard enough of it. I'm pretty sure worse is said on the field then that, and i doubt he was being serious. Headlands a di+k head for reporting it. Im sure his said im worse stuff. all it is for the attention to come of his for being a tosser and getting reported for 6 weeks, and also for being the sh't player he really is. Maybe it will make Adam Selwood want to come to Geelong and play with his younger brother hope so.
Yeah Troy could come with Adam if he wanted.
Who cares, havent we all heard enough of it. I'm pretty sure worse is said on the field then that, and i doubt he was being serious. Headlands a di+k head for reporting it. Im sure his said im worse stuff. all it is for the attention to come of his for being a tosser and getting reported for 6 weeks, and also for being the sh't player he really is. Maybe it will make Adam Selwood want to come to Geelong and play with his younger brother hope so.
Bloody oath!! I agree with you totally.
There is worst said every week than what Headland copped. Certain, shall we say, sections of the community think they can give all they want but should never have to take it... Headland is included.
Akermanis is the best example of the opposite. The more words you speak to the man the better he gets. All champions are the same. Talk is cheap, play footy and get on with it.
year of the cat
17 Apr 2007, 21:09
Bloody oath!! I agree with you totally.
There is worst said every week than what Headland copped. Certain, shall we say, sections of the community think they can give all they want but should never have to take it... Headland is included.
Akermanis is the best example of the opposite. The more words you speak to the man the better he gets. All champions are the same. Talk is cheap, play footy and get on with it.
Talk may be cheap, sticks and stones etc etc but it was a bloody awful thing to say regardless. If you have a daughter (like I do) I can understand Headlands reaction to some extent. Many would just dismiss it as ridiculous sledging, but others may would find it intensely personal. Selwood deserves a smack in the head if what is reported is true.
Talk may be cheap, sticks and stones etc etc but it was a bloody awful thing to say regardless. If you have a daughter (like I do) I can understand Headlands reaction to some extent. Many would just dismiss it as ridiculous sledging, but others may would find it intensely personal. Selwood deserves a smack in the head if what is reported is true.
There is no question that it was an awful thing to say. It goes on much more than you think though... and usually what happens on the field stays there. Headland took it further and he is the one who acted unprofessionally, and let himself and especially his team down. Professional athletes must be able to block out taunts... personal, racial whatever. Thumping a guy proves nothing, and gains nothing. Ignoring them and continuing with the game does.
roostersgal4eva
17 Apr 2007, 21:40
You'd think he's a bit brighter than Headland, wouldn't you? The man is thick as a brick.
dont meant to butt into the converstaion but if someone said that they'd f***ed my 6 year old child (if i had one) ,I wanna knock the bastewards block off as well
dont meant to butt into the converstaion but if someone said that they'd f***ed my 6 year old child (if i had one) ,I wanna knock the bastewards block off as well
All sorts of stuff gets said on the footy field, then after the siren everyone shakes hands... its part of the game, not personal.
We aren't sure what was said anyway, and probably never will. Fact is that Headland will likely get weeks for it, Selwood won't. Headland can learn his lesson for next time.
dont meant to butt into the converstaion but if someone said that they'd f***ed my 6 year old child (if i had one) ,I wanna knock the bastewards block off as well
As martyk said before all your doing is letting your team down. His only doing it to cover his loss of temper. It now does not look good that his not traveling over here. Seems very weak, Selwood will get off also because apparently they don't have any evidence. And then you have to give the benefit of the doubt to Selwood.
roostersgal4eva
17 Apr 2007, 21:56
His only doing it to cover his loss of temper.
if the comments went made or taken out of context and he knows it I agree
I do think the comments if made are inexcusable
put it this way if a Brisbane player said the same thing id want the senior group to give him a verbal hiding
All these bloody threads on this subject are making my head hurt, bring on the footy FFS.
foxdoog50
17 Apr 2007, 22:29
Doubt it. Matters little when he is trying to get a kick at Geelong.
Ordinary thing to say (if true). Headland took it too far on the field. In fact, he embarassed himself as well.
Thats exactly right chapman magic, IMO what happends on the footy field stays on the foot field...
joel is future captain material...he should be able to ignor it....
i dont think adam is guilty, and ppl are making it out as if he said it...nothing has been confermed ppl.
and if it was said it was said on a footy field where your on a high and there is a rush of blood to the head...eeryone knows if that comment was said he wouldnt have ment it, and im sure he would regreat saying it (if he ever did say it) the second it left his mouth.
are you going to tell me u never said anything that made u sound like the biggest tosser in the world?
everyone has done something stupid at some stage.
just get over it ppl.
to be honest i have a baby cozin thats 6 and if someone said that about her id look them in the eye and just call them a fool, ignor them and if they persist at saying that id probably deck them but thats asfar as id take it.
just repeating it after the game and exposing it just shows the man has no control. sure he doesnt need to hear that crap but hes a footy player and footy players sledge and get sledged.
Rockford
18 Apr 2007, 01:30
I reckon Adam would catch up with his family while he is in Melbourne for the tribunal, he flew out tonight. The comments that he supposedly made are beyond bad IMO but I hope Adam is okay too, he is still young in the scheme of things and I don't know about over in Vic but there's a lot of media scrutiny on him at the moment over here in Perth.
Cat in Newcastle
18 Apr 2007, 01:36
Joel will take it all in his stride, don't worry about him!
patdman
18 Apr 2007, 05:14
Ive had much worse said at me then Headland did, yes its not pleasent but its also not personal. Selwood doesnt know Headland or his daughter, and while what was said was in very very poor taste, Des should have been a man and not a boy and not have bought into it.
Whats better retribution? Responding by hitting Selwood with a legal, hard, well timed bump and helping his team to victory, or cracking the sh*ts, hitting out and costing his team by being suspended?
If it were a Voss or a Buckley, they would have laughed it off, told Selwood to get a touch other then one on himself, and kept going. Hence the gap in class between guys like Voss, and chump change like Des.
Spot on, could not have been put better.
Dessie, you're an absolute retard!
BlueOyster
18 Apr 2007, 21:07
just to change the subject, in comparison to his brothers skill-wise how does joel compare? his brothers have been around for a bit but seem to have the mackie curse at not being able to bulk up.
his brothers have been around for a bit but seem to have the mackie curse at not being able to bulk up.
I think if you saw Joel last year in the TAC (or even before that) and now, you wouldn't be fussed at all. He's bulked up significantly.
Anyway, back on topic, the result was to be expected. One man's word against another's, and you can bet neither was going to agree with the other.
Larry Donahue
18 Apr 2007, 21:57
Ive had much worse said at me then Headland did, yes its not pleasent but its also not personal. Selwood doesnt know Headland or his daughter, and while what was said was in very very poor taste, Des should have been a man and not a boy and not have bought into it.
Whats better retribution? Responding by hitting Selwood with a legal, hard, well timed bump and helping his team to victory, or cracking the sh*ts, hitting out and costing his team by being suspended?
If it were a Voss or a Buckley, they would have laughed it off, told Selwood to get a touch other then one on himself, and kept going. Hence the gap in class between guys like Voss, and chump change like Des.
Agree - at least about Voss. Buckley has reacted badly in the past. When Lingy was towelling him at the G in 2002, Buckley had a wound opened up above his eye. When the umpire ordered him off with the blood rule he tried to take Lingy out with him.
From the tribunal hearing - "In his evidence to the tribunal, Buckley admitted to smearing blood on Ling's jumper. He said he was being forced off the ground and wanted his opponent to suffer the same fate."
He has been a good player for the bears and the pies but this event is what a lot of fans will always remember him for.
Buckley's is more a case of bad sportsmanship than anything else. He'll still go down fairly well in people's books when his career is done and dusted.
I have a feeling that Selwood on the other hand, whether he is truly innocent or not, has had his name dragged through mud a little too thick. The media uproar (rightly or wrongly) has (I figure permanently) tarnished his reputation far worse than that of someone like Bucks. The shit he'll cop from here on in (again, rightly or wrongly) will be coming at him for a long while.