ICC World Cup Super Eights Game 20: South Africa v England @ Bridgetown (Tue)

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Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados
11:30pm AEST Tuesday April 17

South Africa win and they make the semi finals, lose and the possibility of a comfortable victory for the hosts over England is the only reason they don’t jump straight on a plane back home. England also can’t head home if they lose, but only because they’ve got that other game to play, they need at least a point to be any chance of progressing. Both sides have been very disappointing – one came into the tournament having taken the number one spot from Australia, the other had just beaten the then number ones three times. South Africa started off with victories over the Netherlands and Scotland, then got thumped by Australia, snuck home against Sri Lanka and Ireland, lost to Bangladesh, flogged the Windies and were flogged by the Kiwis. England started off with the flogging by the Kiwis, then bashed a couple of minnows to make it to this stage, beat another one in their first game, put up a good fight against the two favourites for the final before unconvincingly beating Bangladesh at this ground, while their opponents get their first look at the redeveloped ground.

Nothing wrong with the top four for the Proteas, despite de Villiers’ four ducks, he’s got big scores on three of the other four games, at very good strike rates. Boucher’s in career best form with the bat but Prince is useless, Kemp’s badly out of form and when Pollock and Hall haven’t had a chance to do anything useful, coming in either in a hopeless position or in the last over. More problems with the ball – Langeveldt’s their leading wicket taker but he’s been dropped for the last two games. Meanwhile their leading bowlers Pollock and Ntini have one wicket more between them having both played more games than Langeveldt, although they along with Nel and Hall do have an advantage in the economy department despite having been belted around a couple of times. All that still means they have to pick 1 of Prince, Kemp, Bosman, Peterson and Telemachus, some of whom aren’t there on merit, and for the same reason that one won’t be Justin Kemp.

Everything wrong with the top order for the Poms, and Flintoff’s struggling further down. Michael Vaughan wouldn’t be playing if he wasn’t skipper, in fact he probably wouldn’t have played one day cricket for a long time as he’s never been any good at it, but he is and there’s no deputy after Flintoff’s late night swim, and the other former captain’s form is just as bad. Ian Botham’s reshuffle involves Bell, who can be found under mediocrity in the dictionary, opening with Flintoff, with Pietersen to step up to 3, a role he’s shown he can play having come in with both opening bowlers on in all but two games this tournament, with 48 being his lowest score on those occasions and failing in the two shots he did get coming in where a number 4 should usually be coming in. Then he slots in Vaughan purely for his captaincy, before Collingwood – Pietersen’s only real support so far, the innovative Bopara, the big hitting Nixon at 7 before Stuart Broad joins the attack of Mahmood, Anderson and Panesar who have given solid yet unspectacular support to Flintoff with the ball. All that seems to make sense, but seems far to innovative for Fletcher to consider.

South Africa XV: *Graeme Smith, AB de Villiers, Jacques Kallis, Herschelle Gibbs, Loots Bosman, Ashwell Prince, +Mark Boucher, Justin Kemp, Shaun Pollock, Andrew Hall, Robin Peterson, Roger Telemachus, Andre Nel, Makhaya Ntini, Charl Langeveldt

England XV: Ian Bell, Ed Joyce, *Michael Vaughan, Andrew Strauss, Kevin Pietersen, Paul Collingwood, Andrew Flintoff, Ravi Bopara, +Paul Nixon, Jamie Dalrymple, Stuart Broad, Liam Plunkett, Sajid Mahmood, James Anderson, Monty Panesar

Umpires: Steve Bucknor (Jamaica), Billy Bowden (New Zealand), Simon Taufel (3rd, Australia)

Weather:
The word scattered doesn’t appear? :eek:
Partly cloudy, slight chance of rain, 30 degrees

Points Table:
Australia – 12 (6)
New Zealand – 10 (6)
Sri Lanka – 8 (6)
South Africa – 6 (6)

England – 4 (5)
West Indies – 2 (5)
Ireland – 2 (6)
Bangladesh – 2 (6)

Coverage:
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6499/fs3mc5.gif – live from 11:15pm AEST
and Cricinfo (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/australia/engine/match/247500.html)’s ball by ball text commentary

Session Times:
First innings: 11:30pm-3:00am
Second innings: 3:45-7:15am

Betting:
South Africa - $1.50
England - $2.50
South Africa Most Runs
Pietersen - $3.75
Smith - $4
Kallis - $4
De Villiers - $5
Gibbs - $5.50
Strauss - $6
Prince - $8
Bosman - $9
Boucher - $9
Kemp - $13
Pollock - $21
Hall - $34
Peterson - $101
Ntini - $251
Langeveldt - $251
Nel - $251
Telemachus - $351
England Most Runs
Vaughan - $5
Bell - $5
Joyce - $6
Collingwood - $6
Flintoff - $8
Bopara - $9
Dalrymple - $23
Nixon - $26
Plunkett - $81
Mahmood - $101
Broad - $101
Anderson - $151
Panesar - $251
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[ChrisFooty]

Michael Vaughan should not be in the team. May Loye should be in there opening. He made a good 45 in his last ODI against the aussies in the tri-series final. Vaughan had a horrible preperation and his form has been shocking. May Loye is an attacking batsmen, something the english could use at the top of the order.

Just stupid.....no matter how many fail attempts Vaughan makes he will be kept in the team.

Nixon has done alright with the bat at times during this campaigh (suprisingly)

[Glenno23]

Who wants to see South Africa choke again and lose?

I know i do....

[TorresIsGod]

Betting:
South Africa - $1.50
England - $2.50
South Africa Most Runs
Pietersen - $3.75
Smith - $4
Kallis - $4
De Villiers - $5
Gibbs - $5.50
Strauss - $6
Prince - $8
Bosman - $9
Boucher - $9
Kemp - $13
Pollock - $21
Hall - $34
Peterson - $101
Ntini - $251
Langeveldt - $251
Nel - $251
Telemachus - $351
England Most Runs
Vaughan - $5
Bell - $5
Collingwood - $6
Flintoff - $8
Bopara - $9
Dalrymple - $23
Nixon - $26
Plunkett - $81
Mahmood - $101
Broad - $101
Anderson - $151
Panesar - $251
Ireland Most Runs
Joyce $6
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:thumbsu: Great stuff Russian

Of course I want South Africa to choke again, Chokers

[RoosterLad]

Thanks for quoting that Cisse :rolleyes:

It doesn't bother me who wins this as they will only lose to Australia anyway.

[TorresIsGod]

Thanks for quoting that Cisse :rolleyes:

It doesn't bother me who wins this as they will only lose to Australia anyway.

You're welcome muppet :rolleyes:

[TorresIsGod]

I think South Africa will win, with AB de Villiers top scoring

[pro_punter]

I think England will win and Collingwood top scorer.

[Freo Big Fella]

I wish it was possible for both teams to come out worse off.:(

[Jaymin]

Just stupid.....no matter how many fail attempts Vaughan makes he will be kept in the team.


He is worth 50 runs for his captaincy! :thumbsu:

[Mr P@H]

He is worth 50 runs for his captaincy! :thumbsu:

But he's batting beautifully in the nets

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/74200/74224.jpg

Look at that technique. sublime.

[Browney2006]

This is really the first big game of the tournament, well the only game that really has anything riding on it, kinda sums up the whole tournament.

England to win this one and play the team we play the best against Australia :D

[Jaymin]

This is really the first big game of the tournament, well the only game that really has anything riding on it, kinda sums up the whole tournament.

England to win this one and play the team we play the best against Australia :D

You do realise you have to beat the West Indies as well?

[RoosterLad]

Every game for England is meaningless until the win it.

[Romeo]

Vaughan elects to bat. SA bring in Kemp and Langeveldt for Peterson and Ntini. England unchanged.

[Bartram_Class]

Vaughan to go in the first couple of overs.

Soft decision from the skipper, doesnt want the pressure of a chase.

[red+black]

Thanks for quoting that Cisse :rolleyes:


You're welcome muppet :rolleyes:

You've been around long enough to show some etiquette when you quote. Selectively edit posts when you quote, DO NOT quote half a page needlessly.

[Browney2006]

You do realise you have to beat the West Indies as well?
Not if we win this.

Unless we get smashed by the windies then we will go out, but we can still lose to the windies and go through.

[Browney2006]

Why why why are we batting on this.

****ing stupid decision from Vaughan

[Romeo]

0/7 in the 6th. Vaughan still not off the mark though.

[Cameron_K]

Has Vaughan hit a ball yet?

[Browney2006]

Game over, this is ridiculous and will cost us.

What a stupid ****ing decision to bat on this, and why would you bother to come out and bat like this.

[Cameron_K]

Took 20 balls for Vaughan to get off the mark.

[funkyfreo]

So what is up with the pitch making hte decision to bat 1st so bad?

[Fire]

over 6.3

England run rate 1.1

[sherb]

Vaughan off the mark, 0-9 after 7.1 overs.

This could come back to bite England if they don't get a wriggle on soon.

[Browney2006]

So what is up with the pitch making hte decision to bat 1st so bad?
The ball tends to swing on this wicket early and gets bounce, and it dies away later on, why would you bat on this first? Especially when you are going to come out and produce this shite.

[sherb]

Bell goes.

It was almost inevitable, given the pressure which was mounting.

[Cameron_K]

Bell had to go for it the way Vaughan was batting :thumbsd:

[Browney2006]

And now Bell is gone, trying to pull a short ball and gets a top edge, probably because he miss judged the bounce, and i ask again why would you bat first?

[mickyt888]

england don't want to win the world cup!!!!!!!! no plunkett which is stupid.

well done vaughan and bell waste all the overs and then go out congrats.

bell back and 3 thanks.

[Greg Miller= Messiah]

England to make 4/74 from their 50 overs
SA all out for 73 after 45 :D :D :D

[red+black]

No matter what score England makes, even 150, I wouldn't be putting my money on South Africa to successfully chase it down.

[funkyfreo]

And now Bell is gone, trying to pull a short ball and gets a top edge, probably because he miss judged the bounce, and i ask again why would you bat first?

well the cricinfo commentators seem to think its a good pitch to bat 1st on.

[Cameron_K]

It was one of those tosses you would have rather lost. No matter which way you were going to have problems.

[chapmanmagic35]

What's the score?

[Browney2006]

1/24 off like 9 or something

[Fire]

What's the score?

http://ls.cricket.com.au/HomeFullScorecard21_981_44.html

[Romeo]

England are quite steady here, at least not losing wickets. Vaughan has upped his rate.

[Romeo]

Vaughan gone for 17 off 38. Slightly disappointing innings from the skipper. Now the superstar is in to speed up the rate.

[Browney2006]

Vaughan out, about time, the earlier we get the proper batsman in the better.

[Bartram_Class]

Good knock from the skipper, just under the old average.

[usalion]

2 for 37 after 13 overs

Skunk Boy needs to do something special to win this one for his adopted country. Not a century coming up in the 48th over, either....

[Browney2006]

2 for 37 after 13 overs

Skunk Boy needs to do something special to win this one for his adopted country. Not a century coming up in the 48th over, either....
I wouldnt mind a century in the 48th over in this game at all.

[RoosterLad]

KP needs to blast a big century here if England are to win. If he goes cheap, the Poms are gone.

[red+black]

Vaughan gone for 17 off 38. Slightly disappointing innings from the skipper. Now the superstar is in to speed up the rate.

You're right actually. His average over the past 20 ODIs is 18.18, so he's just shy of that :thumbsu:

Geez Vaughan's so hopeless.

[Browney2006]

Pietersen gone, from a good catch from Smith, ouch thats gotta hurt ai Romeo?

[usalion]

England in trouble with Skunk Boy hitting a soft pop fly to Smith
Slopster needs to perform with Strauss

[mickyt888]

3/53, KP gone.

pathetic by the south africans make it look like they just won the world cup.

come on colly please help us make 220+

[red+black]

There's always the choke factor, so any score could be enough.

But if England lose this, Australia are in the final.

[hirthy]

ffs england are bloody useless, make a game of it for christ sake

[Mr P@H]

Straussy likes a good wrist...

22.1 Kallis to Strauss, 1 run, on leg, a good line to a righthander it must be said but there's a flaw in that, and that's helped with some good wristing to square

[Cooldude]

This pitch has been electric at times, some of the lift the quicks have gotten would excite any quicks of any level

[Tapee]

England are just pathetic :thumbsd:.

[usalion]

Bopara and Nixon to the rescue again?
200 would eb an excellent total from here.....

EDIT: Nope

[Grimwood]

Duncan Fletcher started planning for England's 2007 ICC West Indies Cricket World Cup Extravaganza 4 years ago you know.

[red+black]

LOL at England wasting everyone's time.

Vaughan's 17 from 38 looks pretty good now.

[Tapee]

It would be epic if South Africa fail to chase this down, unfortunately I very much doubt even they could stuff this up.

[Browney2006]

If Pietersen doesnt make runs we are so ****ed as a team.

[red+black]

England's wins:
- Bangladesh (4 wickets)
- Ireland (48 runs)
- Kenya (7 wickets)
- Canada (51 runs)

And to think this pathetic excuse for a team were still pushing for a spot in the semi finals :rolleyes:

[red+black]

England's (recent and rare) CWC wins v Test nations:

2007: Bangladesh (4 wkts)
2003: Pakistan (112 runs)
1999: Sri Lanka (8 wkts), Zimbabwe (7 wkts)
1996: -

Pathetic.

[Browney2006]

England's (recent and rare) CWC wins v Test nations:

2007: -
2003: Pakistan
1999: Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe
1996: -

Pathetic.
Bangladesh lost their test playing status? Shit, when did this happen?

[red+black]

Fixed. Makes the list look just that much more impressive doesn't it? Still pathetic.

[Tapee]

Bopara needs to stop taking singles so early in the over.

[red+black]

Bangladesh's CWC wins v Test nations:

2007: India, South Africa
2003: -
1999: Pakistan

Comparable to England's record, possibly better

[red+black]

Mad Dog gets Monty. 9/144 (45), Bopara 20* (32). Can he eek out another 25 runs?

[red+black]

Pollock 10-2-17-0
Nel 9-3-30-3
Hall 9-2-17-4
Kallis 8-0-22-1

Impressive! That's 36-7-86-8!

[red+black]

154 ao. Hall gets his 1st ODI 5WI on the last ball of his 10th over (10-2-18-5).

No matter what score England makes, even 150, I wouldn't be putting my money on South Africa to successfully chase it down.

Well, as bad as England are, I did say early on that South Africa were no certainties.

[mickyt888]

:( looks like my boys are out of the world cup

don't know what the f@@@ is wrong with flintoff's batting

another collapse when we where only just starting to try building an innings.

for f@@@ sake.

[Greg Miller= Messiah]

Pathetic from England but the stage is set for another huge choke from south africa bring it on.:thumbsu: :thumbsu: :D

[mickyt888]

Pathetic from England but the stage is set for another huge choke from south africa bring it on.:thumbsu: :thumbsu: :D

hope so im staying up to watch but if england don't get a few early wickets im going to cry myself to sleep.:(

[red+black]

England's opening partnerships:
v New Zealand - 1
v Canada - 101
v Kenya - 10
v Ireland - 6
v Sri Lanka - 1
v Australia - 10
v Bangladesh - 7
v South Africa - 9

Painful reading.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

hope so im staying up to watch but if england don't get a few early wickets im going to cry myself to sleep.:(

As much as i'd love a SA collapse, it's not looking good.

[usalion]

Proteas spanking the ball everywhere....

0 for 34 so far

Could be over in 15 overs:eek:

[usalion]

England's opening partnerships:
v New Zealand - 1
v Canada - 101
v Kenya - 10
v Ireland - 6
v Sri Lanka - 1
v Australia - 10
v Bangladesh - 7
v South Africa - 9

Painful reading.


Woe, Canada:thumbsd:

[Tapee]

England's opening partnerships:
v New Zealand - 1
v Canada - 101
v Kenya - 10
v Ireland - 6
v Sri Lanka - 1
v Australia - 10
v Bangladesh - 7
v South Africa - 9

Painful reading.

Good thing they're going to lose then, we could have been in trouble since their equal second highest has been against us :eek:.

[usalion]

53 off 34 balls- Poms were lucky to get 10 off 34...

Have to say, England wont be missed crashing out of this World Cup

[usalion]

At the same point in the innings


England 0 for 9
South Africa 0 for 68

[DeadlyAkkuret]

At the same point in the innings


England 0 for 9
South Africa 0 for 68

When you look at it like that, it's a suprise that England bothered showing up.

[Ron]

And thats all folks.

1/157 from just 19.2 overs. Muppet finished with 89 from 58 balls.
Poms continue their fine tradition of sucking.

[Mr P@H]

worst team to ever play cricket, load of shyzer.

[usalion]

England now have time to prepare for the arrival of the West Indies for the summer series in England....

[Adelaide Hawk]

Just when you thought England could possibly be any worse, they turn on a pathetic performance like that. We all know the English cricket team is rubbish, it just continues to astound how much.

Are England now a Minnow cricketing nation?

[usalion]

Vaughan was given the raspberry by the crowd after the match
SKY Sports doing a post mortem on England....first negative was the Kolpak players in the county system.

Then the blame on graveney, Fletcher and Vaughan- that they must all go from the one day scene.

Start planning for the 2011 World Cup- anyone over 32 at this point- no longer part of the selection process- they will be too old

Interesting discussion

[Dipper]

Just when you thought England could possibly be any worse, they turn on a pathetic performance like that. We all know the English cricket team is rubbish, it just continues to astound how much.

Are England now a Minnow cricketing nation?

Err steady on dude, England are sh*t at one dayers but are still the second best Test side in the world & that to me is far more important.

[Ron]

This was my favourite part

Mahmood to Smith, 1 no ball, top-edged a pull, Nixon takes, celebrates, and that's a no-ball. Nixon could have run him out if he wasn't busy over-celebrating like a big winner.

[Jaymin]

I particularly enjoyed Vaughan's 67 off 37 balls. :thumbsu:

[RoosterLad]

What a pissweak pathetic performance by England, and to think they actually beat the Aussies down under? They celebrated like madmen then and talked themselves up but when it gets to the big stage they are gutless once again. They are definitely one-day minnows.

[Freo Big Fella]

I heard "5 Wickets to Andrew Hall" on the radio and thought it must have some form of black humour on the part of the commentators, but no, England really are that bad.

[Ray Nolan]

Utter garbage.

Time for a total shake-up of the ODI side.

Fletcher must go, he's had his time now we need some fresh ideas.

Vaughan is not, and has never been a decent One Day player. Has to retire from ODI's.

IMO, Paul Collingwood should be made the captain. Strauss is just too inconsistent as an ODI player - he probably shouldn't be in the side at all.

The approach to opening the innings was shocking - seeing off the new ball FFS! You need to be hitting the cover off the thing, our approach to ODI Cricket is 20 years old.

We just don't take ODI's seriously enough & it showed. It's high time England picked the best Limited Overs players, there are many good Limited Overs players in the County scene - if they are specialists at that form of the game and 'have the runs on the board' then call them up for England, rather than putting out a virtual carbon copy of the Test side.

England deserved to booed off last night, 4 years of dismal planning & selections culminated in the rubbish served up last night - the CB Series win was an abberation - mainly because the side forced on Fletcher as a result of injury & withdrawals proved to be better than his normal selections.

The lesson was obviously not learnt.

[red+black]

I particularly enjoyed Vaughan's 67 off 37 balls. :thumbsu:

how many?

[red+black]

Fletcher must go, he's had his time now we need some fresh ideas.

Vaughan is not, and has never been a decent One Day player. Has to retire from ODI's.

IMO, Paul Collingwood should be made the captain.
Have to agree, although I'd say this:

Vaughan has to be forced to retire from ODI's.

[red+black]

Reading through the text commentary, I chuckled at this:

"Great game. For the first half of this match we had Test cricket and now we get 20:20."

"If this is what South Africa do after a late-night drinking session, then surely England were wrong in banning their players from such activities."

[Tapee]

how many?
17 + 50 (captaincy) = 67.

[red+black]

In Kallis' typically "measured" innings of 17 (25), he achieved:

- 9000 ODI runs (tenth ever to do so, first South African)
- 12000 List A runs
- 480 runs at CWC 2007 (leading runscorer, passing Hayden by 3)

The most runs in a single CWC:
Tendulkar in 2003 - 673 runs
Tendulkar in 1996- 523 runs
M Waugh in 1996 - 484 runs

[likka]

Reading through the text commentary, I chuckled at this:

"Great game. For the first half of this match we had Test cricket and now we get 20:20."

"If this is what South Africa do after a late-night drinking session, then surely England were wrong in banning their players from such activities."

This is brilliant. :D

Just shows how far the poms have to go. Such a big reno job, better to knock everything down and rebuild with a modern blueprint. First steps should be the sacking of Big Dunc and Captain Tavere.

[red+black]

Have to agree, although I'd say this:

Vaughan has to be forced to retire from ODI's.

Following up from my comment here:

Vaughan won't quit (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21577783-5012554,00.html)

ENGLAND captain Michael Vaughan insists he will not quit after his team failed to qualify for the Cricket World Cup semi-finals.

"I won't be retiring from one-day cricket," Vaughan said after South Africa won by nine wickets at kensington Oval in Bridgetown, Barbados, this morning to book the last place in the semi-finals.

"I am not stupid."

[RoosterLad]

They certainly do need to do something, they seem to not care about one day cricket but I think that is just a cover because they are crap. They need to prepare for World Cups better, take a leaf out of Australia's book.. it's always good for a struggling team to copy the best. Stop picking old ***** as well, debuting 40 year olds is just plain ridiculous, get some young kids in there for their next one day series, even if they get cained early on.

Vaughan: "I'm not stupid"? What kind of stupid comment is that?!?!? His one day game is a disgrace, England need to get rid of him if they are to improve, he is being a selfish twat but it sums up English cricket perfectly. I can't say I'm sad watching them struggle. At least their close neighbours Ireland have a bit of heart and fight!!!

[emperor]

You're right Michael, you would be stupid to retire from ODI and lose all that $$$$ power:)

[likka]

It is obviously up to England's cricket administration to make wholesale changes. The incumbents don't seem to think there is much wrong, despite the rancid stench.

Funny how English cricket really went downhill since the departure of Rod Marsh... dunno if this is simply coincidental or not.

Methinks this is more about $ in the modern game, some players may need to be forcibly pushed.