Jordan Lewis vs Brett Deledio

[Hodge2Franklin]

Both on par in future talent, however Lewis continues to perform better.

Who would you pick?

[KnockOut]

Deledio by the length of a racecourse. Is miles ahead of Lewis in proven and potential class. Deledio any day of the week except WizWozzleday.

[Jeremias]

Careful-we're about to be attacked by a barrage over-protective and insecure Richmond supporters...

[The Dice Man]

Both on par in future talent, however Lewis continues to perform better.

Who would you pick?

You're not much obsessed are you?

My advice is to spend a good 200 bucks on an hour with a hooker because its obvious you aint getting any pussy by your own devices. :)

[Coughlan]

Careful-we're about to be attacked by a barrage over-protective and insecure Richmond supporters...
You mean correct Richmond supprters.
Lewis is a very good young player, but not close to Deledio, in natural talent and improvement left

[Jeremias]

You mean correct Richmond supprters.
Lewis is a very good young player, but not close to Deledio, in natural talent and improvement left

I mean exactly what I said.

See-they've arrived already.

[The Dice Man]

I mean exactly what I said.

See-they've arrived already.

Yet you arrived before any of us... I think there's something in that for all of us.

[Coughlan]

I mean exactly what I said.

See-they've arrived already.
What a suprise to see a moronic half wit troll like you in here.
Who do you think is the better player?

[Coughlan]

Yet you arrived before any of us... I think there's something in that for all of us.
Leave him alone, we all know Jeremias is just obsessed with us, and well, not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Maybe for you Dicey, a six pack short of a slab:D

[Jeremias]

What a suprise to see a moronic half wit troll like you in here.
Who do you think is the better player?

Not a troll at all...just expressing my unbiased opinion.

You call me a moron, but are unable to guess who I think is a better player? :rolleyes:

I think Lewis is the better player right now, and probably in the future too. That's not to say Deledio won't be good/very good either.

[Jeremias]

Yet you arrived before any of us... I think there's something in that for all of us.

Richmond supporters are slow?

[Jeremias]

Leave him alone, we all know Jeremias is just obsessed with us, and well, not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Maybe for you Dicey, a six pack short of a slab:D

Obsessed with Richmond? Nope, not in the slightest-but it's funny to think that mnay of you still genuinely believe that Richmond are good.

[The Dice Man]

Leave him alone, we all know Jeremias is just obsessed with us, and well, not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Maybe for you Dicey, a six pack short of a slab:D

If I were to buy a slab of beer, the analogy I would use regarding Jermias is he's about 23 cans short of a carton.

But I know what you mean ;)

[Hodge2Franklin]

Leave him alone, we all know Jeremias is just obsessed with us, and well, not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Maybe for you Dicey, a six pack short of a slab:D

Jeremias is another quality poster that you guys try and tear down because he is not deludional about the Tigers prospects.

Jordan Lewis is tougher, better skills, gets more ball, a better mark but slower.

Deledio is flashier and quicker and went number one.

Pretty reasonable comparison at this stage in their careers considering they were from the same draft and have played the same amount of games almost.

Lewis has crapped all over Deledio for the past 18 months, Deledio had more opportunities in year one.

I would prefer Lewis personally but would like Deledio also as our team needs his quickness.

It's relatively tough to call, but Lewis looks like having a better career.

[Hodge2Franklin]

Richmond supporters are slow?

Jeremias don't let them bother you bro, if we shatter their only ray of light in Deludio they will spontaneously combust.

[The Dice Man]

Richmond supporters are slow?

Give it up midget.

[Jeremias]

Jeremias don't let them bother you bro, if we shatter their only ray of light in Deludio they will spontaneously combust.

They're not bothering me at all, they're humouring me in fact.

I just find it funny that they are so insecure with Deledio, and have hissy fits every single time the possibility that someone is better than him is mentioned.

[Jeremias]

Give it up midget.

http://cards.funnystories.ru/288100 ;)

It's funny that you have already posted a few times in this thread but have said NOTHING about the thread topic.

Insecure much? Or just trying to avoid the truth? Or both?

[The Dice Man]

Jeremias is another quality poster ......


:D:D:D hahahahah ****ing GOLD! :D


I didnt need to read anymore. :D


http://cards.funnystories.ru/288100 ;)

[Hodge2Franklin]

I remember in the pre-season the Hawks put the gloves on and went hard at each other in a tournament.

Lewis (at 20) was lined up on Campbell Brown. They went at it like Creed and Rocky to the end.

What a tough kid, I love him.

[The Dice Man]

It's funny that you have already posted a few times in this thread but have said NOTHING about the thread topic.

Insecure much? Or just trying to avoid the truth? Or both?

Perhaps I just think its a bullshit topic started by retards and doesnt actually warrant a genuine response because threads of similar ilk have been done to death.

Though you may be happy being a broken record :cool:

http://cards.funnystories.ru/288100 ;)

[Jeremias]

:D:D:D hahahahah ****ing GOLD! :D


I didnt need to read anymore. :D


http://cards.funnystories.ru/288100 ;)

At least I am able to contribute to a thread and post on the actual topic at hand.

Seems as though you are unable to do likewise.

Is it because you're insecure? Afraid of the truth? Or both?


OR is it because you really have very little idea about football?

[Coughlan]

:D:D:D hahahahah ****ing GOLD! :D


I didnt need to read anymore. :D


http://cards.funnystories.ru/288100 ;)
Thats what I thought when I read it, probably one of the worst posters on BF the truth be told.
Same goes for H2F, clearly has no idea, so why don't you pissoff to you're crackpoy conspiracy theories.

[Hodge2Franklin]

Perhaps I just think its a bullshit topic started by retards and doesnt actually warrant a genuine response because threads of similar ilk have been done to death.

Though you may be happy being a broken record :cool:

http://cards.funnystories.ru/288100 ;)

translation = Deludio is our only hope in the mess that is our club. If the Hawks third pick in the same draft is better than him then I having nothing left to follow in this sport.

Answer = Tough sh!tstain, you chose him - we chose Lewis.

[Jeremias]

Perhaps I just think its a bullshit topic started by retards and doesnt actually warrant a genuine response because threads of similar ilk have been done to death.

Though you may be happy being a broken record :cool:

http://cards.funnystories.ru/288100 ;)

No, I highly doubt it-I'm certain it's the "both" option-insecure AND afraid of the truth.

H2F may not be the best poster around, but he usually tells it how it is. And he doesn't deserve to be called what you called him. Enjoy your ban-I'll have to warn the admin, though-you might spit on them on the way out.

[The Dice Man]

Im too old for this shit.

[Coughlan]

At least I am able to contribute to a thread and post on the actual topic at hand.

Seems as though you are unable to do likewise.

Is it because you're insecure? Afraid of the truth? Or both?


OR is it because you really have very little idea about football?
Dice>You
Perhaps he doesn't want to lower himself to the level of you two, me I'm a generous man, humoring people who are clearly lower on the social ladder then I am:thumbsu:

[Hodge2Franklin]

Thats what I thought when I read it, probably one of the worst posters on BF the truth be told.
Same goes for H2F, clearly has no idea, so why don't you pissoff to you're crackpoy conspiracy theories.

H2F clearly has no idea.

FUNNY THAT given that the current articles in the PAPERS are DEAD RIPOFFS from my preseason posts...

You guys can't handle the truth so you attack me and everyone else, including Lyon and Sheehan out of desperation.

[benny_furs]

Hopefully Lewis can take the next step from here. The difference between good players and great players isn't much, I don't know about Lewis but Deledio has exceptional natural talent and to go with that, he is the hardest worker at the RFC.

I have little doubts that Lids will be an elite premier midfielder of the game by the time he is 22yo.

IIRC Lewis is also a year older than Deledio who is the same age as Murph.



H2F clearly has no idea.

FUNNY THAT given that the current articles in the PAPERS are DEAD RIPOFFS from my preseason posts...

You guys can't handle the truth so you attack me and everyone else, including Lyon and Sheehan out of desperation.


If Lyon and Sheahen are correct like you insist, then you are saying Lewis >>>>> Murphy and I don't think anybody in the world would agree with that. Deledio has a poor reputation on Big Footy but I accept that, he's the least of my worries at Tigerland. If you want to play on the wounds Lyon and Sheahen opened up then start some JON threads right away :thumbsu:

[Jeremias]

Im too old for this shit.

More like too one-eyed, insecure, and afraid of the truth.

[Hodge2Franklin]

Hopefully Lewis can take the next step from here. The difference between good players and great players isn't much, I don't know about Lewis but Deledio has exceptional natural talent and to go with that, he is the hardest worker at the RFC.

I have little doubts that Lids will be an elite premier midfielder of the game by the time he is 22yo.

IIRC Lewis is also a year older than Deledio who is the same age as Murph.

Good analysis Benny boy, thanks for the good post.

As I said there is no correct answer on this one.

[Coughlan]

H2F clearly has no idea.

FUNNY THAT given that the current articles in the PAPERS are DEAD RIPOFFS from my preseason posts...

You guys can't handle the truth so you attack me and everyone else, including Lyon and Sheehan out of desperation.
Trying to give yourself credit because Sheehan and Lyon agree with you crazed ramblings.
Rollin man, just when I thought you couldn't delve any deeper into the shit, you prove me wrong.
You really are an obsessed clown:rolleyes:

[Jeremias]

Dice>You
Perhaps he doesn't want to lower himself to the level of you two, me I'm a generous man, humoring people who are clearly lower on the social ladder then I am:thumbsu:

Nope, I'm pretty sure that he's just too worked up after having another one of his classic hissy fits.

But we're used to it-it seems to happen to most Richmond supporters when they start realising their team is a rabble, and that poor Lids may have been overtaken by someone who was a lower draft pick than he was.

[Gabbo]

Lewis has started the year with a bang and if he continues this form throughout the year, he will be better than deledio by year's end, assuming deledio continues with his current form.

BTW, what number pick was Lewis in the draft?

[Coughlan]

Nope, I'm pretty sure that he's just too worked up after having another one of his classic hissy fits.

But we're used to it-it seems to happen to most Richmond supporters when they start realising their team is a rabble, and that poor Lids may have been overtaken by someone who was a lower draft pick than he was.
Classic Richmond supporter hissy fits, haven't you seen the tanties thrown on the Carlton board when an opposition supporter dares post in their, even if it isn't in a negative fashion.
Compare that to the Richmond board where we welcome everybody and then think about what you just said

[benny_furs]

Lewis has started the year with a bang and if he continues this form throughout the year, he will be better than deledio by year's end, assuming deledio continues with his current form.

BTW, what number pick was Lewis in the draft?

Lewis was #7 and the Bulldogs probably should have picked him up at #6 instead of Williams.

Btw it is highly unlikely that one player will improve dramatically while the other will make none ;)

[parrot]

Lewis was #7 and the Bulldogs probably should have picked him up at #6 instead of Williams....

A Richmond supporter advising other teams on draft pick choices? Now that is funny. Hilarious in fact. :)

[Coughlan]

A Richmond supporter advising other teams on draft pick choices? Now that is funny. Hilarious in fact. :)
Jordan Russell board:)

[benny_furs]

A Richmond supporter advising other teams on draft pick choices? Now that is funny. Hilarious in fact. :)

Because it was actually me who picked Fiora over Pavlich? ;)

[Mitchell Madness]

Well, two years ago i would have said Deledio, however ATM, Lewis is a much better performer, and Gary Lyon also thinks so, and i hate the bastard

[Hodge2Franklin]

You're not much obsessed are you?

My advice is to spend a good 200 bucks on an hour with a hooker because its obvious you aint getting any pussy by your own devices. :)

Should I take that as a vote for Lewis?:D

[parrot]

Jordan Russell board:)

Jordan Russel is doing very very very well. Damn, that must hurt. :)

[DonMania#5]

How is Lewis winning?
Deledio is better by a miiiiiiiiiile

[OneEyedHawk]

Lewis has his measure at present IMO, though I suspect Deledio will eventually overtake him.

Rate them both very highly.

[Deledio2Tambling]

How is Lewis winning?
Deledio is better by a miiiiiiiiiile

Just what I was thinking mate. It's only because he plays for Richmond that people are voting against him. Not on his football ability.

Tim Fleming was a hard nut too.

[Mitchell Madness]

Just what I was thinking mate. It's only because he plays for Richmond that people are voting against him. Not on his football ability.

Tim Fleming was a hard nut too.

dude! have you actually seen Lewis play lately? he is an absolute Machine! Gary Lyon said he was at least on par, if not better then Deledio, and Gary Lyon absolutely hates our club, and nearly everything he says is negative about us. So come on, if you wont listen to us, at least listen to Lyon, after all, he almost took up your senior coaching role a few years back

[The BRICKSTER]

every 2nd thread on this site is comparing deledio with someone, hes a gun we all know that so stop comparing him to a different player every day of the week.

Everyone is just jealous of him, i guess he sets the benchmark of how good the next generation of footballers are going to be, and everybody wants there own deledio

[Hodge2Franklin]

every 2nd thread on this site is comparing deledio with someone, hes a gun we all know that so stop comparing him to a different player every day of the week.

Everyone is just jealous of him, i guess he sets the benchmark of how good the next generation of footballers are going to be, and everybody wants there own deledio


Translation = Deledio is the only hope we have, he has to win, he has to :D

[Deledio2Tambling]

dude! have you actually seen Lewis play lately? he is an absolute Machine! Gary Lyon said he was at least on par, if not better then Deledio, and Gary Lyon absolutely hates our club, and nearly everything he says is negative about us. So come on, if you wont listen to us, at least listen to Lyon, after all, he almost took up your senior coaching role a few years back

Yeah he really hates your club :rolleyes:

Has he wrote a hate filled article about you guys lately? What about on National Television?

[GAMBLER]

dude! have you actually seen Lewis play lately? he is an absolute Machine! Gary Lyon said he was at least on par, if not better then Deledio, and Gary Lyon absolutely hates our club, and nearly everything he says is negative about us. So come on, if you wont listen to us, at least listen to Lyon, after all, he almost took up your senior coaching role a few years back

Gary Lyon's father played for Hawthorn

[benny_furs]

lol Big Footy once again proves it's stupidity and a majority of it's posters pick.... Lewis... over Brett Deledio :o

At least this site's good for a laugh :thumbsu:

[Jeremias]

lol Big Footy once again proves it's stupidity and a majority of it's posters pick.... Lewis... over Brett Deledio :o

At least this site's good for a laugh :thumbsu:

:eek:

Insecure much?

:eek:


So that's Coughlan, TDM and benny_furs. I'm sure there are more insecure Richmond supporters out there.

[gormanisahack]

deledio is 1000000 times better

[Alex_au]

Last year I would have definetly chosen Deledio due to Lewis not getting as many opportunities and not starting as often.

But this season Lewis is definetly a notch ahead of Deledio.

[benny_furs]

:eek:

Insecure much?

:eek:



You're shocked a Richmond supporter posted in a thread about Deledio?

Logic isn't exactly your middle name is it :o

[CyberKev]

Lewis is ahead on form, but you would think that IF Deledio can realise his potential then he will surpass him over the long haul.

The IF is not inconsiderable, however, because despite mythical beliefs to the contrary, we can't be sure how much improvement is left in Lewis and we can't similrly be certain that Deledio will improve to set expectations.

Regardless of this, Hawthorn would like an outsider type like Deledio in the stable, because IMO we are 2-3 outsiders away from completing our list.

Richmond have more outside mid types, but question marks exist over the quality of many of them and an overemphasis on recruiting this type of player has left the balance of the Tiger list looking precarious. That said, the ruck and inside midfield stocks they have (or more to the point, don't have) are their most worrying area right now.

As such, Richmond would love to have a hard nut, ball-winning, inside mid with Lewis' skills & smarts right now, as they don't have any on hand and will need to find 2-3 over the next couple of drafts if they're serious about becoming a finals force.

[blaisee]

Lewis is ahead on form, but you would think that IF Deledio can realise his potential then he will surpass him over the long haul.

The IF is not inconsiderable, however, because despite mythical beliefs to the contrary, we can't be sure how much improvement is left in Lewis and we can't similrly be certain that Deledio will improve to set expectations.

Regardless of this, Hawthorn would like an outsider type like Deledio in the stable, because IMO we are 2-3 outsiders away from completing our list.

Richmond have more outside mid types, but question marks exist over the quality of many of them and an overemphasis on recruiting this type of player has left the balance of the Tiger list looking precarious. That said, the ruck and inside midfield stocks they have (or more to the point, don't have) are their most worrying area right now.

As such, Richmond would love to have a hard nut, ball-winning, inside mid with Lewis' skills & smarts right now, as they don't have any on hand and will need to find 2-3 over the next couple of drafts if they're serious about becoming a finals force.


thats all great,

the problem is lids is not an outsider, he can go inside and outside.
Anybody that truly believes that Lewis is a better player than lids is quite simply insane.

[richcogs]

wow 42 -32 Leewis is up, that's a surprise:rolleyes: too many trolls on this website.

[Jeremias]

wow 42 -32 Leewis is up, that's a surprise:rolleyes: too many trolls on this website.

Yeah, I agree-Lewis should probably be a bit further in front...;)

[philhawk]

the problem is lids is not an outsider, he can go inside and outside.


Yes, and Buddy Franklin is a KPP.

As Richmond fans keep telling us, the proof is in the pudding.

Franklin has at least achieved something playing both as a KPP and a flanker.

Lids has currently only shown something when playing as an outside midfielder - with Wallance even now resorting to playing him on the HBF.

[Magic17]

dude! have you actually seen Lewis play lately? he is an absolute Machine! Gary Lyon said he was at least on par, if not better then Deledio, and Gary Lyon absolutely hates our club, and nearly everything he says is negative about us. So come on, if you wont listen to us, at least listen to Lyon, after all, he almost took up your senior coaching role a few years back

LMFAO

Did you read the Lyin article this week?

HTF is Lewis winning?:rolleyes:

[Deledio2Tambling]

LMFAO

Did you read the Lyin article this week?

HTF is Lewis winning?:rolleyes:

Like I said earlier, just ignore it. The poll has more to do with the teams they play for rather than the players. Most of these people just want to kick us while we are down. If these people genuinely think Lewis is better I'd be highly surprised.

[benny_furs]

Richmond have more outside mid types, but question marks exist over the quality of many of them and an overemphasis on recruiting this type of player has left the balance of the Tiger list looking precarious.

I agree that Deledio is more an outside player than inside. But we really really don't have many outside players.

Which players of ours are outside midfielders??

Tambling is definately both. Before drafted he was racking up 25 possies, 8 clearances, 7 tackles and 2 goals in games. He legitimately wins a lot of his own ball by extracting it out of packs and bursting into space.


Tuck - Inside

Coughlan - best inside we've got

Johnson - inside

Foley - inside but can run

Tivendale - inside but can run

Polo - inside

Hartigan, Hyde, Raines and Krakouer - ALL inside (but Hyde can run)


Cam Howat is the only real outside midfielder we have, and he's a rookie trying to step up atm.


Greg Miller said in trade week "Richmond have an abundance of inside midfielders and are looking to trade some" (like Tuck) so that isn't our main problem. We need one more Coughlan type hard bodied ball winner imo, that's assuming Cogs can make a successful return.


I'd like to see Richmond draft some OUTSIDE mids for a change, we don't have any except Deledio and Howat. Howat and Tiv rotate to the wing at times but Tiv is inside.

[Jeremias]

Like I said earlier, just ignore it. The poll has more to do with the teams they play for rather than the players. Most of these people just want to kick us while we are down. If these people genuinely think Lewis is better I'd be highly surprised.

If Deledio was winning this poll, would you say that it has more to do with the teams they play for or the players themselves?

:rolleyes:

[CyberKev]

thats all great,
the problem is lids is not an outsider, he can go inside and outside.
Anybody that truly believes that Lewis is a better player than lids is quite simply insane.

Maybe so, although we haven't seen any real evidence to this point of Deledio being suitable for an in and under inside mid role. To this point, he has rarely appeared in the midfield at all, but would seem to have excellent scope over the long haul in an untethered ruck roving role.

Regardless of whether he can play inside mid or not, its safe to say that Deledio will never be a tough as nails, in your face, no backward steps enforcer. The type of player whose presence is felt in the heat of the cauldron.

The "better" player issue is a subjective one that is quite pointless across such markedly different player types as Deledio & Lewis, although its clear that much of Deledio's currency comes from potential rather than actual performances.

While Deledio has been filling loose peripheral roles, Lewis has been doing the hard yards out of the centre and the votes here for Lewis would be predicated as much on his strong recent form, as on the fact that his ilk seem to be growing more and more scarce (but no less valuable than they've ever been) in the current game.

I couldn't really give a stuff, however, as I'm not hanging out for player X to be arbitrarily voted better than player Y, I'm hanging out for players A through Z in the side to reach a point where the entire side has credibility.

[Deledio2Tambling]

If Deledio was winning this poll, would you say that it has more to do with the teams they play for or the players themselves?

:rolleyes:

I knew that was never going to happen though. The obsession with our youngsters from other club's supporters is going overboard.

[Jeremias]

I knew that was never going to happen though. The obsession with our youngsters from other club's supporters is going overboard.

That doesn't answer my question...

Trying to avoid it?

[Deledio2Tambling]

Your question doesn't make sense. If Deledio was winning it I would expect that as Tiger fans we would have earnt more respect. It can't work the other way around Jeremias.

[Jeremias]

Your question doesn't make sense. If Deledio was winning it I would expect that as Tiger fans we would have earnt more respect. It can't work the other way around Jeremias.

Of course it works.

You complain and whinge that Deledio is losing a poll-I highly doubt you would be carrying on if it was the other way around.

Time to face reality, methinks...

[Deledio2Tambling]

I'm whinging about the fact that most supporters hate Richmond, and are letting that get in their way of judgement. Lids is so far ahead of Lewis it isn't funny.

[Jeremias]

I'm whinging about the fact that most supporters hate Richmond, and are letting that get in their way of judgement. Lids is so far ahead of Lewis it isn't funny.

According to YOU. Just like you claim everyone is voting for Lewis because they hate Richmond, I could just as easily claim that bias towards your team is clouding your judgement.

Just accept it-not everyone thinks Deledio is better than Lewis. I know it may be hard, but for ****s sake, have a hissy fit-they're becoming frequent.

[GALON]

I'm whinging about the fact that most supporters hate Richmond, and are letting that get in their way of judgement. Lids is so far ahead of Lewis it isn't funny.
I'm sorry but that's just a blatant lie.
Deledio might have ahell of alot of potential, but Lewis has outperformed him so far in their careers.

[tigerT]

Deledio is getting as much hardball this season as anyone.
against the swans 21 possessions 11 hardball gets,
against collingwood,23 possessions 8 hardball gets

he was rubbish against the blues, maybe the fact he started on a HFF, went into the centre and finished on a HBF had something to do with it. I think Wallace is finally realising he needs to be left in a one position. Hes been unsettled for a long time, but you can see a marked difference in his performance and confidence in just 2 games when knowing he'll be left in the one position

[OneEyedHawk]

I'm whinging about the fact that most supporters hate Richmond, and are letting that get in their way of judgement. Lids is so far ahead of Lewis it isn't funny.

That argument's getting tired around here IMO. West Coast supporters say it, Collingwood supporters say it, you guys say it...

Couldn't possibly be that people actually answered the question on it's merits could it?

[Hodge2Franklin]

LMFAO

Did you read the Lyin article this week?

HTF is Lewis winning?:rolleyes:

Brother the reality is this.

In their careers so far Lewis is ahead. Deledio promises alot and I admire and respect the guy, but to date Lewis is better which is why he is winning this poll.

[GALON]

Jordan Lewis is averaging a possesion every 3min 30 secs to be rankled fourth in the AFL - Courtesy of the HUN.

[Magic17]

Brother the reality is this.

In their careers so far Lewis is ahead. Deledio promises alot and I admire and respect the guy, but to date Lewis is better which is why he is winning this poll.

So who would you rather in your team?

Deledio(just 20) would be a star already in any side that had a decent midfield where he wasn't taking so much heat. Make no mistake he is heavily targeted by opposition coaches as they know what he's capable of.

The Hawks have got a better engine room than the Tigers IMO. Unfortunately for us our midfield is average to say the least.:(
Mitchell, Crawford and Hodge are good & established onballers that do most of the grunt for you. Therefor whilst Lewis has been a revelation for Hawthorn, he is travelling well with support.
If you ask who you would prefer as a one on one basis, Deledio would/should be a long way in front.

Lids has shown signs in the early rounds this season that he is not just going to be a good player like Lewis but a great one.

[benny_furs]

We don't even need to justify Lids he's well recognised as a rising star.

[Tristagi]

If it was back at year one, Deledio. Back then he had a football brain and played well..

now his been at Richmond 3 years and his brain has turned to mush, Don't see him doing the things that got him the NAB rising star award anymore

[benny_furs]

If it was back at year one, Deledio. Back then he had a football brain and played well..

now his been at Richmond 3 years and his brain has turned to mush, Don't see him doing the things that got him the NAB rising star award anymore

Every single area of his game has improved since his first year. It's a myth he had second year blues.

Ave 15 possies first season as a 17yo, 18 possies last year, and this year should be around 22. They are pretty much the exact figures Judd had ;)

[philhawk]

Ave 15 possies first season as a 17yo, 18 possies last year, and this year should be around 22. They are pretty much the exact figures Judd had ;)

So if we're going to go by stats, Lewis had 16.2 in season one, 19.7 in season two and is now averaging 27.3 in season three.

So we're saying Lewis is better than Judd?

Ofcourse not, though he is considerably better than Deledio now.

[Realistic Tiger]

Both on par in future talent, however Lewis continues to perform better.

Who would you pick?
Another thread created by another insecure Hawks fan who needs to be constantly reassured that the kids they picked up actually have some talent. We have had the Buddy vs everyone threads, the Roughead vs everyone threads dies quickly after it was discovered to be a mute point, the only 3 players he seems to have more talent than are Bolton, Dawson and Thurgood. Now we have moved onto their next selection back in 2004 Lewis. Lewis vs Deledio this week and when Lewis gets beaten in this poll H2F can always go for the old favourite vs Tambling. :thumbsu:

I have not seen many threads created by Richmond fans comparing their kids to others because we would rather let the results speak for themselves when the players perform rather than have to be constantly reassured by ignorant Richmond haters.:D

[tigerboyz]

Jordan Lewis is averaging a possesion every 3min 30 secs to be rankled fourth in the AFL - Courtesy of the HUN.

Turnover possesions don't count.:cool:

[Realistic Tiger]

So if we're going to go by stats, Lewis had 16.2 in season one, 19.7 in season two and is now averaging 27.3 in season three.

So we're saying Lewis is better than Judd?

Ofcourse not, though he is considerably better than Deledio now.
Pretty easy to average a heap of possies then your team averages 358 disposals per game. In fact the side averages 16 disposals per player this year.

http://www.finalsiren.com/TeamStatsSummary.asp?SeasonID=2007&Sort=AverageDisposals%20Desc

[blaisee]

Yes, and Buddy Franklin is a KPP.

As Richmond fans keep telling us, the proof is in the pudding.

Franklin has at least achieved something playing both as a KPP and a flanker.

Lids has currently only shown something when playing as an outside midfielder - with Wallance even now resorting to playing him on the HBF.

wallance knows what his doinoing!:eek:

Seem to remember Hodge spending quite a bit of time on the HBF I guess he is hack too..


Seriously this thread is hilarious

[blaisee]

Regardless of whether he can play inside mid or not, its safe to say that Deledio will never be a tough as nails, in your face, no backward steps enforcer. The type of player whose presence is felt in the heat of the cauldron.

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Big deal, what you are describing is Tim Fleming. He was tough also, Lids has devestating pace, an elite mark, and elite kicking skills, please do not insult him by comparing him to a one paced reasonably skilled ball magnet, there are about 100 of those playing in the VFL, you can have him.:cool:

[blaisee]

So if we're going to go by stats, Lewis had 16.2 in season one, 19.7 in season two and is now averaging 27.3 in season three.

So we're saying Lewis is better than Judd?

Ofcourse not, though he is considerably better than Deledio now.

philhawk,

you have no idea . Keep the one paced plodder, the guy is a slug and belongs in the vfl

[Hodge2Franklin]

philhawk,

you have no idea . Keep the one paced plodder, the guy is a slug and belongs in the vfl

Translation = Phil pawns me whenever I try to debate with him :thumbsu:

[GALON]

Turnover possesions don't count.:cool:
Lewis, turnovers? Doubt it.

Anyway, tell Greg Tivendale.
Isn't he your highest ranked player so far in 2007.
Says it all really.

[CyberKev]

Turnover possesions don't count.:cool:

If this were true, you'd be able to count the possies of almost every tiger player on a clumsy butcher's hand...

[TheGeneral]

Deledio, easily.

He has the talent and the ability to be a better player than Lewis and the running goals he kicked in his debut year were outstanding. Anyone who disagrees is a Hawks fan and in denial because you still wouldn't draft Lewis at one using hindsight.

Griffen is better as well. ;)

Isn't Lewis special? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcL59W_Hfp4

[cschreuder61]

Don't think Kev was saying he wasn't/ and isn't going to be a good player. Just that Lewis is an inside clearance player who's speciallty is hard ball gets (probably why he's starting in the centre of the ground already) whilst Deledio is more the outside classy player with class.

Very happy with Lewis right now, and has taken a lot of pressure off Mitchell who is getting a really hard tag in the middle. Its harder to tag 2 players in the centre who get their hands on the ball.

We definately could do with Deledio to compliment our inside clearances players with some extra pace/footksill but very happy with our selection of Lewis. We seem to be developing our core of key position ruck and inside players first and will look to add outside midfielders from now on (who IMO are easier to find than the former)

As to who has been better.... Deledio started well (so did Lewis but didn't get much game time due to fitness concerns) but I think Lewis has out performed him of late. Who will be better? With the hype surrounding Deledio you'd expect there to be a lot of upside there to be able to rip games apart, where Lewis will be consistently good at what does, and will continue to improve as he gets fitter and fitter in the middle. Looks 40% fitter than when he started which was the only thing that held him back to run out games.

Depends what you are after really, I know we are happy with Lewis.

[Hodge2Franklin]

If you watched tonight's game and voted Deledio, I hope you feel guilty ... Deledio's failure is a part of the reason why Richmond suck...

When you bottom out and your top picks are duds, this is the result ...

[Hodge2Franklin]

Deledio, easily.

He has the talent and the ability to be a better player than Lewis and the running goals he kicked in his debut year were outstanding. Anyone who disagrees is a Hawks fan and in denial because you still wouldn't draft Lewis at one using hindsight.

Griffen is better as well. ;)

Isn't Lewis special? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcL59W_Hfp4

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Drugs are not kewl dude ...

[tigertRANCE]

Lewis is ahead on form, but you would think that IF Deledio can realise his potential then he will surpass him over the long haul.

The IF is not inconsiderable, however, because despite mythical beliefs to the contrary, we can't be sure how much improvement is left in Lewis and we can't similrly be certain that Deledio will improve to set expectations.

Regardless of this, Hawthorn would like an outsider type like Deledio in the stable, because IMO we are 2-3 outsiders away from completing our list.

Richmond have more outside mid types, but question marks exist over the quality of many of them and an overemphasis on recruiting this type of player has left the balance of the Tiger list looking precarious. That said, the ruck and inside midfield stocks they have (or more to the point, don't have) are their most worrying area right now.

As such, Richmond would love to have a hard nut, ball-winning, inside mid with Lewis' skills & smarts right now, as they don't have any on hand and will need to find 2-3 over the next couple of drafts if they're serious about becoming a finals force.

BINGO. Our midfield, more specifically, inside mids is woeful compared to the rest of the comp. We don't have any complete, true midfielders. This is our biggest weakness by far and why we are struggling.

GO TIGES!!!

[tigertRANCE]

Deledio, easily.

He has the talent and the ability to be a better player than Lewis and the running goals he kicked in his debut year were outstanding. Anyone who disagrees is a Hawks fan and in denial because you still wouldn't draft Lewis at one using hindsight.

Griffen is better as well. ;)

Isn't Lewis special? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcL59W_Hfp4

LOL. Lewis...great hands to Murphy...BANG...Goal. :thumbsu: On ya Louie. ;)

GO TIGES!!!

[parrot]

For some reason Deledio does not seem to be enjoying his footy this year. It's pretty obvious. Last night he made some stupid mistakes in defence, but what was more concerning was the lack of intensity and aggression he's showing. The Tiges movement of the ball out of defense was bizarre and random. When there are a lack of options, Deledio has a tendency to offload it quickly to anyone (i.e. panic), rather than trying to create something, by taking his opponent on, or being willing to effect a disposal while being tackled. Some players like Murph and Gibbs have this natural ability from day 1. Watch Gibbs play on the HB flank. If he does not have an option further up the field, he does not panic, and will often take his opponent on and evade using his trademark brilliant side-step. He's quite prepared to cop a heavy tackle, if it means he can gain some valuable time for his team-mates upfield to make position, and his disposals while being tackled are still brilliant. Awareness, and the ability to sum up a situation before anyone else does are trademarks of elites like Murph and Gibbs. Deledio has some outstanding attributes, but his awareness and decision making are not something that come naturally to him, but I'm sure he can develop them with time. More of a concern is his on-field demeanor. Not fun playing in a lying side, but it's a great test of character. :)

[Roughie]

Lewis all day every day

[MinerBoy]

Lewis all day every day

Pretty sure Deledio has never played a game as good as JL did on Saturday, and pretty sure he never will either.:thumbsu:

[HBK619]

Pretty sure Deledio has never played a game as good as JL did on Saturday, and pretty sure he never will either.:thumbsu:
Lewis is also 1 year older than Deledio.

Yet Deledio is averaging 3 less disposals, more tackles and 1 more goal per game than Lewis.:thumbsu: