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How about having a Fitzroy team board on Bigfooty?
The "Roys" message board on www.egroups.com (http://www.egroups.com) (http://www.egroups.com/group/roys/) has had almost 1450 posts from just over a year of operation.
Judging by this, you could be sure that a Fitzroy board on Bigfooty would be just as popular as the boards for some of the other clubs.
There'd have to be a fair few cyber-roys out there who'd be interested . . .
What's this Olmy - your penchant for Fitzroy increased in the last couple of weeks?
First an undisguised attempt on the Lions forum to resurect the debate - and now on here?
Why do you feel the need to have a 'Fiztroy' exclusive board on a site that is dedicated to other/current teams?? Might as well ask them to dedicate a board to South Melbourne, University and Bears as well while you are at it.
Try reading this - it might make you feel better:
WORDS FROM AN ADORING LIONS FAN
Retired Insurance Manager John Maher, of Longlea, Victoria, has sent the following comments to the Brisbane Lions. They are posted here on the club website to typify the sort of spirit the club is looking forward in 2001.
"Yesterday (23/01/2001), I had the pleasure of attending the Brisbane Lions training session as a guest of Phil McGarry, I met several of the players and felt part of a football club again.
All my life (50 years) I have been a supporter of the great Fitzroy (Lions) Football Club. However, like so many others since 1996, I have found myself well and truley in the football wilderness, I did try to support Brisbane in the early days but I (like so many others) was so devestated and disolusioned by the demise of Fitzroy, I couldn't support Brisbane, and in fact lost almost all interest in AFL football.
Last year I tried to support Richmond, that did not do anything for me as I could not unreservedly support a team that I had hated for my previous 49 years.
I am now back....and I am supporting the Brisbane Lions.
I have been (like so many others) in the football wilderness since 1996, and that is a very long time.
I know of many other former Fitzroy supporters who have been in football limbo since 1996, and I firmly believe that if the Brisbane team targeted the former Fitzroy supporters, there is a very real possibility that most of them are ready and need to be brought back into the Lions Den.
I know I have been in limbo for a long time, and I feel very happy, relieved and excited to have returned, I feel that I now have a football purpose, a feeling of belonging to someone again and for the first time in 5 years, I am looking forward to a football season where I can support MY team.
John
[This message has been edited by Danni (edited 29 January 2001).]
Olmy,
Why don't u just let it go!
God knows i was very passionate about the roys but we don't need to be living in the past. Fitzroy is no longer!!!! just like any death, of course u miss them but u have to build a bridge and get over it!
BUBBALOUIS
30 Jan 2001, 13:15
Who's Fitzroy?
Originally posted by BUBBALOUIS:
Who's Fitzroy?
Ask CIK
Originally posted by Ally:
Olmy,
Why don't u just let it go!
God knows i was very passionate about the roys but we don't need to be living in the past. Fitzroy is no longer!!!! just like any death, of course u miss them but u have to build a bridge and get over it!
Ally, why can't the site have a Roys page?! Even if the club isn't operational at AFL level, it doesn't mean that people can't still post about the activities that the club now has, as well as post of a retrospective manner.
If people don't like it, they don't have to go there! Hell, I don't go to the Carlton board. Why not? Cos I don't want to!
Danni, as usual, you've taken this totally out of context. That letter that you've pulled from somewhere, has got nothing to do with what I am talking about here.
Having a Fitzroy board has nothing to do with the Brisbane Lions, Bears, South Melbourne, University, or any of the other things you've mentioned.
The Fitzroy Football Club is still operation, (even if in a limited extent) in Victoria. This is separate from the Brisbane Lions.
Considering that Fitzroy once had it's own AFL team, you would consider that there would be a reasonable number of people who would be still interested in hearing about what the club does now, even if not to discuss topics in a retrospective manner.
In any regard, clubs such as the Bears and South Melbourne no longer have any operations outside the Brisbane Lions and Sydney Swans (respectively). This is totally different to the Fitzroy situation. The club still operates, albeit at local level. Similarly, there would still be a number of retrospective posts - just as on any club's website.
Similarly, there are a number of footy sites on the net which gather discussion about the Roys. Why not have a board on here?
It's funny though, Danni. The way you respond whenever the word Fitzroy is mentioned. It's like as you feel threatened by the fact that people still support Fitzroy!
If you don't like the idea, then you don't even have to comment. If the idea is not popular, then that will speak for itself. It won't get off the ground - but that is yet to be seen. I don't see why, however, you need to contribute negative comments.
Olmy
You have been round long enough to know the drill re team boards. You have to get 6 people to email Bluey requesting it. Cheers
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mantis
Olmy - you know as well as I do - that I am not 'threatened' by Fitzroy - but I am sick to death of the cry that 'we want more', 'we want recognition', 'we are still important in the grand scheme of things in the AFL' etc etc etc....and to me - that is exactly what you are doing now.
If you major point is that there is a Fitzroy Football operation still in another league, then I would suggest you bring it up in the 'Regional Leagues' board, not the main 'AFL Board'.
You said:
If you don't like the idea, then you don't even have to comment. If the idea is not popular, then that will speak for itself. It won't get off the ground - but that is yet to be seen. I don't see why, however, you need to contribute negative comments.
Personally Olmy I didn't think this was a popularity contest, I thought it was more about relevance.
You said:
That letter that you've pulled from somewhere, has got nothing to do with what I am talking about here.
Well maybe it should have Olmy - one of the most common arguements for the 'keeping alive' of Fitzroy is that soooooo many supporters will never follow the current Lions. Well this person has changed in the last 2 weeks. That has to be brought to the attention of as many as possible - so that if they feel the same way - they don't feel 'guilty' for wanting to change. It does happen.
Oh yes - and by the way - that letter was posted on the Lions Official site today, they thought it had relevance, I think it has relelvance, you as a supporter and member of the Lions should think it has relevance, if you don't think it has relevance, then you are WRONG.....opinions be damned!!!.....you are wrong.!!
In my humble opinion of course!
Even though I am Fitzroy through and through, I for one am not behind this. If there are Fitzroy-related topics, they can always be posted on the Brisbane team board.
Mobbenfuhrer
30 Jan 2001, 14:48
Except Bluey doesn't have his eMail address listed in his profile ...
I'd be a full on fan of a Roy board.
How the heck do you get hold of his eMail address, anyway? Is it somewhere around the messageboards?
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Hallowed be thy Roy
sbagman
30 Jan 2001, 14:54
I'd be interested too.
Mobbenfuhrer
Go back to the list of topics page, you will see at the top on the left (moderated by bluey).
Just click on Bluey & send your email. http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
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mantis
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Mobben
try bluey@bigfooty.com
that is the best way....
Mobbenfuhrer
30 Jan 2001, 15:01
Thanks, Sandie.
I actually found the address via the roys egroup, where Olmy left a little deposit of propaganda for the cause http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
(Somewhat less of a propaganda level than the letter quoted above, which almost reminds me of some of the general drivel spoken by Mr Murray, and some of the face-to-face drivel spat into my face by one Mr Serafini.)
You'd think they had more pride.
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Hallowed be thy Roy
Mobbenfuhrer
30 Jan 2001, 15:05
Thanks Danni, yep I got the address.
Hate to say it, but that letter you quoted makes me shudder ... decisions like that are supposed to be taken quietly, why this bloke had to scream it out is beyond me ... I can see him in the Telstra add with his hand outstretched dribbling 'welcome back'.
[Shudder]
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Hallowed be thy Roy
If we get a Fitzroy board,can we get a University board as well http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
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"No matter how good you are at something,there's always a million people better than you"
If it makes people happy they can have a forum for 'Ricky the spiked nose Galah' for all I care http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Do not follow where the path may lead.
Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.
Mobben - I can certainly understand your opinon on this - I mean if the 'Kev is on the wagon' sign that made it onto tv during a Lions match in 99 had no affect - I can't imagine what would.
Tho I do have to say that you are the most level headed and entirely honest person about this situation that I have ever encountered......there has never been any of this 'if they change this.... then I will join', or the 'we only joined so that we had a voice to change this part.....' etc etc etc from you.
And honestly, until now, there never has been that from Olmy either. For the last 2 years that I have 'known' Olmy, his posts have always been very objective, putting forth ideas to consolodate, not divide the current supporters. He has more than often given statements and ideas that could benefit the so called 'unifacation' of the club.
I can't help but think that for Olmy to have such a serious turn around in the operations/recognition/dis-unification of the the club, that he doesnt' have some sort of alterior motive, or maybe even election campaigning going on.
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SpecialBruce
30 Jan 2001, 15:44
That's not a bad idea Olmy. Even though I wasn't a Fitzroy supporter that is still a good idea.
As much as I sympathise with Fitzroy supporters about the loss of their team, there is no way there should be a board for them. What are you going to talk about, how will we go next week?
The Old Dark Navy's
30 Jan 2001, 16:52
If we can have a board for fantasy football and survivor quizzes, then having a board for a proud old club is not such a stretch. I can understand Fitzroy fans finding it strange to post their memories of the club on the Lions board. It may be a bit offputting to those that don't want to live in the past. They can post about the Lions future on the Brisbane boards and post about the Lions past on a Fitzroy board. I for one hae a lot of memories about Fitzroy games and players that I would be willing to discuss. It can't hurt and it can be quite a healing thing for the Roy fans among us.
"Healing" in what way ODN's??? They have now had 4 and a half years since the merger was announced.
Is it going to be healing for them to sit there and talk about something they can't have anymore? which is what I fear a board like that will become.
If they want to talk about Fitzroy the AFL/VFL team - isn't is a great idea to do it on the Brisbane board? Where 99% at least, of the members are open to learning about the 'parentage' of their club?
If they are uncomfortable with the 1% that don't want to know - then that is their problem. The rest of us look forward to it.
brissy_lionsgal
30 Jan 2001, 17:59
I think it's a great idea to have a Fitzroy Lions board. While we are at it why don't we get a Brisbane Bears, South Melbourne and North Melbourne board.
Oh, and don't forget the Mayblooms, the Brewers, the Same Olds, The Wasps, The Professors, the Fuchias, the Pivotonians, the blood stain angels, the Shinboners, and the Gorilla's http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/wink.gif
So what's that email address again, so that I can email Bluey right now
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lioness
30 Jan 2001, 18:24
As most of you know, I am a former Roygal who has been happily following the Brisbane Lions since they came into being and always will. But just a short note to those who don't see the significance of having a seperate Fitzroy board, I think it will be a great idea, as Olmy said, the Fitzroy Football Club (or 'Fitzroy' or whatever it's called now) is still in operation and it would be kinda nice to have somewhere to talk about what's going on with that without boring the you know what outta everyone here, or even on the Brisbane board coz only a small percentage of people on there will be interested anyway. Olmy I'll send my email now. http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/smile.gif
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*the one and only lioness*
Mobbenfuhrer
30 Jan 2001, 18:25
If a board has the support ... why not?
How are we going to go next week? Steady as she goes, still the most powerful martyr of modern times, perhaps of all time.
Level headed? Me? Pigheaded, more like it http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
How long to heal? I know at least one person that is still healing from trauma-causing events THIRTY years ago, and that's just for a personal event, not nearly as vital as a football related one!
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Roylion
31 Jan 2001, 04:07
Why not? I'm a member of both the Brisbane Lions and the Fitzroy Football Club Ltd.
Unlike University or South Melbourne the club still exists, as should be evident to anyone who has any inkling that last year there was a team in the VFL called Coburg-Fitzroy. There are things currently going on with the Fitzroy Football Club that would bore Brisbane Lions fans (especially the ones that come from the Bears side of the family) to tears. I feel very reluctant to post anything on the big footy Brisbane site about 'Fitzroy.', whether that be past players, past matches, current goings on, the next Fitzroy Foundation Dinner, etc. etc. etc.
Hi, Im just new to bigfooty after Olmy got me interested.I've read all the reply's and there is rather alot considering the orig post was only yesterday.It would seem from this that there is ample support for a Fitzroy board.And dont forget there is over 100 years of "things" to talk about, oh and the Gorillas were Fitzroy, my Pop used to go watch them play at Brunswick St.
Rooboy 96
31 Jan 2001, 05:45
I for one support a Fitzroy Board...
and as for a North Melbourne Board we have it... The Kangaroos Board...
Shinboners
31 Jan 2001, 05:48
Yep. Why not? If there is a demand for a Fitzroy board, then start one. If people don't use it, then just remove it at the end of the season.
Danni, perhaps it is true that in the current context of things, Fitzroy 'could' be discussed in the "Regional" section.
However, considering the fact that Fitzroy once had its own AFL team, you would think that there would be enough interest to warrant a team board all of its own.
Personally, all this hoo-haa about people having to move on, and this and that . . . well, it's not about that at all!
As has been said earlier by others, if we were to post an entirity of Fitzroy topics on the Brisbane board, it would most likely ensure to off-side some of the Royophobic types. I mean, take the Lions forum for example . . . we've already had a few people object to Fitzroy references - even about topics such as past games etc.
No-one is saying this is going to be a dividing point. Hey! There will be some topics that might appear in both boards!
I dare say you'll even venture into the board (if it comes about), Danni!
Originally posted by dees01:
As much as I sympathise with Fitzroy supporters about the loss of their team, there is no way there should be a board for them. What are you going to talk about, how will we go next week?
Umm, actually, the FFC still operates in Victoria - mainly by the sponsoring of clubs such as the Fitzroy Reds and Fitzroy Juniors. So YES, we will have something to talk about each week.
Anyway, what do you Melbourne supporters have to talk about? Oh, that's right, your bloody Landrover Discovery's and skiing trips!
Originally posted by Danni:
I can't help but think that for Olmy to have such a serious turn around in the operations/recognition/dis-unification of the the club, that he doesnt' have some sort of alterior motive, or maybe even election campaigning going on.
Danni, there's been no turnaround! I still stand for everything I've stood for, and I do want the Brisbane Lions to have their own identity.
With that said though, I want to see the Fitzroy identity survive for as long as possible. Part of that will happen with the aid of the Brisbane Lions, but as we both know, that is only ever going to be to a limited extent. So therefore, why can't the people who remain interested in the Roys try to see the identity prosper as long as possible?
After all, it doesn't have to be a negative (or a conflict) when seen in conjunction with the Brisbane Lions (at least not from where I am seeing it).
Tapestrie
31 Jan 2001, 11:28
Olmy,
Fitzroy is only local league, like it or not. They no longer are a current AFL team.
Are you the same Olmy bagging a child on the Lions forum.
Tapestrie
31 Jan 2001, 11:31
Olmy,
Fitzroy is only local league, like it or not. They no longer are a current AFL team.
Are you the same Olmy bagging a child on the Lions forum.
Originally posted by Tapestrie:
Olmy,
Fitzroy is only local league, like it or not. They no longer are a current AFL team.
Are you the same Olmy bagging a child on the Lions forum.
Whether they are perceived as "local" or not is irrelevant. There is a nationwide supporter base (you can check that out on some of the other Roys net groups).
Similarly, if there is a demand, why not?!
If people don't want to use/read a Fitzroy board, they don't have to! But why stop others from enjoying the possibility?
As for bagging a child on the Lions forum, I have merely responded to some abusive remarks which were pointed in my direction (and these remarks were unprovoked and uncalled for). If the child is yours (as I am guessing, seeing as you are taking such a vivid interest - although you won't put your name to it!), then I suggest that you either curtail 'their' abusiveness, either that, or put up with the ensuing comments that occur as a result of the abuse.
(Gee, you don't half whinge though, do you! It's alright when you've got the stick and think you can dish it you - even though you can't, but when someone has a go back, it's very much a case of running and crying behind mummy's apron!!!!).
Carn the Roys!
In any regard, the banner for the team boards doesn't mention anything about "AFL Teams". It merely says "Team Boards for Registered Users".
I think a Fitzroy board could fit quite nicely in there somewhere! (Just imagine all the whinging from people who it doesn't affect though!!!!).
tapestrie
1 Feb 2001, 07:20
Olmy,
The child is not mine. He is my nephew though.
He has not abused you in anyway.
These comments are just some from the Lions forum.
By Peter Olm (Olmy) on Monday, January 15, 2001 - 03:27 pm:
Ah yes! The days are counting down until all us Victorians will get to cheer for the Lions at Optus Oval against Carlton (Round 2!).
And yes, it's also worth mentioning that the days are counting down until all the Qld fans will be able to boo the likes of Carey, Buckley, Lawrence, Molloy, B.Voss, Liberatore, Romero etc. etc.
By Peter Olm (Olmy) on Monday, January 29, 2001 - 03:28 pm:
Certainly was Graetzbanger (joking that was). Molloy, Lawrence, and Voss (B), will always be one of the boys for mine (especially Molloy the Roy!!!).
Anyway, I don't expect too many Vics will be bashing them. That's a Qld'ers caper!
By Danielle O'Hanlon (Danni) on Monday, January 29, 2001 - 04:32 pm:
So Olmy you are expecting all QLD based Lions fans to bag those players??
Hate to disappoint you!
I think the general consensus all round is that no LIONS supporter wanted to lose those players, regardless of whether they are in VIC or QLD or outer Siberia!
You really aren't advocating that age old fantasy that only ppl in VIC understand football therefore react correctly to football situations, are you????
By Stephen Hocking (Rafter) on Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 05:42 am:
I can understand booing Buckley, because of the comments he made about our club and state when he left us.He wanted to leave us so he could play finals footy at Collingwood, daft decision that one.
I have never heard anyone boo Fletcher, quiet the opposite in fact, when he is playing in front of us people cheer him on.But given that, I agree with Danni, no one would cheer him on if he was going to jeopardise a Lions win.
As for your generalisations about our crowd, it shows your dimwittedness, or maybe you were just bored and trying to bait the QLd Lions. I have been to football matches involving the Lions at nearly all the AFL grounds, and I for one love the atmosphere at the Gabba. The growd are vocal for our players, and boo bad decisions and Libba etc.If thats perceived as a bad thing by you, I would question your motives and loyalty to our Lions.
By Peter Olm (Olmy) on Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 12:17 pm:
Get a life (+ and idea) Hocking.
The whole things stupid.By the way I think some of the comments to Danni were a bit unfair.
I am though the same person Olmy that you abused by email a few years ago. I still have that email.I find you use of your university email address and university computers to be in bad taste. I am quiet sure that when you sign for your cmputer usage you sign a document saying basically you will behave.
I hope you have second thoughts. Really a bit of a shame when Lions maul their own. We are one, not divided.
Am I supposed to read this and say Ooohh what a mean nasty person this Olmy is?
I'm sorry, I read through it twice and could find nothing that could cause even mild offence.
What is worrying is you providing details such as Olmy and Danni's names. (who are both regulars here)A lot of us do go to some length to protect our identities and would not appreciate having broadcast in this manner. The least you could have done was mask out their names.
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This is a hallucination and these faces are in a dream. A computer generated environment; a fantasy island you can do anything and not have to face the consequences.
I have "known " Olmy only via the net and I have NEVER found him to be anything but objective about what he says.His posts are always well thought out and quite to the point. Hardly "abuse".He is a passionate supporter of his club and all he(we) wants is fair recognition of Fitzroy.It does seem to me that this is typical of the kind of "support " Fitzroy got when the were an AFL side, everyone kicking into them.
Originally posted by tapestrie:
Olmy,
The child is not mine. He is my nephew though.
He has not abused you in anyway.
So you don't regard him calling me "dimwitted" as abuse? If he wants to stick his neck out, making remarks of that nature (whether he is a child or not), then he should take his just desserts when they are dished out. That's how it goes for everyone (you and me included).
Btw, I have never signed anything about "internet usage" at uni. Who says I am posting from uni anyway?!!!
From all this talk about uni, it sounds to me that you've got a bit of a chip on your shoulder (what, never made it there yourself?)!
As for the (speculated) existence of some abusive e-mail, (although your definition of "abuse" has already been proven to be quite erroneous), well, who are people to believe? Me, a person who has a registered user profile, or you (tapestrie), a person who is making unfounded claims from behind an unregistered name?
Btw, you're not on the Lions forum are you? Oh, that's right MEMBERS ONLY! At least I support my club!
Royfanatic
1 Feb 2001, 11:49
Originally posted by CJH:
Am I supposed to read this and say Ooohh what a mean nasty person this Olmy is?
Too right! The phrase "get a life and an idea" was all too much for me!
Mr Ripper
1 Feb 2001, 12:31
Originally posted by CJH:
What is worrying is you providing details such as Olmy and Danni's names. (who are both regulars here)
Luckily for everyone here, I didn't contribute to that thread! http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Whatever the case - I need a minimum of about half a dozen e-mails from individual, registered members before I'll get a new board put up.
bluey@bigfooty.com
tapestrie
1 Feb 2001, 12:38
Olmy,
If you like I can post the email on here for you.
No better still I have just put in a formal complaint on it, should have done it the 1st time.Threats to take a woman down a dark alley and do whatever to, because they were a Bears member , I call that a wee bit wrong.
By the way, I have a University degree.So what.
Phil Doyle
1 Feb 2001, 13:29
I have just rung the Met and there is no tram that goes from Brunswick Street to Brisbane. They suggested the Bundoora tram which apparently gets closer.
Brisbane is a fiasco, everyone knows it. It has about as much soul as a telephone pole, but with none of the character.
The only three times I've been to Queensland I've been arested on every occasion. i for one, am all for expelling Queensland from the federation.
the best thing about Melbourne winters is it lkeeps the queenslanders away.
You'd never see Pauline Hanson running a fish shop in Brunswick.
"I see a Melbourne girl on a rusty Malvern Star
through the spastic Northcote streets
See the way her hair's tied back
see her great coat ragged and warm"
Where's you're poetry Brisbane?
Where's your ticker?
Thieves of tradition, that's what you are.
Football has no place being played in Queensland. Christ, Jason Dunstall is a good argument for banning football north of the Tweed.
Fitzroy is the most succesful team in the league. They haven't lost a game in four years.
Brisbane supporters! Christ, they'd follow a lost dog if they had the chance.
Carna 'roys.
Carn Cooma.
Carn Marnoo.
Go the big right hand turn into Victoria Parade.
Fitzroy was the nearest thing the AFL ever had to an impoverished third world nation. It's a well known fact that god barracks for Fitzroy. It's true. he told me one night while I was walking home along Merri Creek from the Lomond Hotel.
I'm glad we've got that sorted out. Now, whose shout was it?
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Mobbenfuhrer
1 Feb 2001, 14:35
Carn Marnoo ... and don't forget, there's no 'F' in Narooma!
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Hallowed be thy Roy
Who cares if Fitzroy have a board.
They are no longer an AFL club for goodness sakes.
So they have some money, don't they owe Brisbane a couple of million for the creditors they paid out for them.
Mobbenfuhrer
2 Feb 2001, 01:23
Always amused by those who believe that having a club that continues to blindly walk out into the night wearing CFM boots issued by the AFL, is a good thing.
By destroying us, you only make us stronger.
'Though they'll erase what is you, it's still all true.'
'All we have been has taken shelter in the hardiest minds, where we can cheekily smoulder.'
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Hallowed be thy Roy
Fat Pizza
2 Feb 2001, 06:06
A Fitzroy Board is a great idea. GO ROYS!
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Fat Pizzas. They're Big & they're Cheesy.
Phil: "The only three times I've been to Queensland I've been arested on every occasion."
Do tell - what were the circumstances?
Originally posted by tapestrie:
Olmy,
If you like I can post the email on here for you.
No better still I have just put in a formal complaint on it, should have done it the 1st time.Threats to take a woman down a dark alley and do whatever to, because they were a Bears member , I call that a wee bit wrong.
Geez! You've gotta be the scariest floor covering I've ever come across!
As for your claims, well, as I've said earlier, they're a load of crap (LIES), and no-one with any sense would even believe a person who hides behind an unregistered name.
Enough said.
Roysfanatic
2 Feb 2001, 11:34
Originally posted by Janet:
Who cares if Fitzroy have a board.
They are no longer an AFL club for goodness sakes.
So they have some money, don't they owe Brisbane a couple of million for the creditors they paid out for them.
Umm, you don't have too much of a legal background do you? http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
If you don't care whether Fitzroy have a board or not, then why bother making a comment! http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
Tapestrie, the more you have a go at Olmy, the more you prove just how much of a fool you are yourself.
Carn the Royboys!
FitzroyRamone
2 Feb 2001, 12:57
I whole heartedly support a Fitzroy board. Nobody who follows an AFL club knows what it feels like to have their club thrown out of the AFL (unless you're a 150 year old University supporter), not even South fans, although their case comes close. I for one would love to see a Fitzroy board set up. There are so many topics for discussion, such as:
* the current situation of ex players
* memories of games, players,etc
* discussion about the murder, sorry takeover, sorry merger (it still hurts)
* the Fitzroy Reds and juniors
* development of the Fitzroy Foundation
* development of a Fitzroy Social Club (Rising Sun Hotel, as Dyson keeps mentioning at the FFC AGM's)
* Anything else Fitzroy!
Just because Fitzroy is no longer a competing side in the AFL doesn't mean our love has died. Some of you may not understand our passion, but ask any Fitzroy person who supports Brisbane is the feeling the same as before, and more often than not, the answer is no. And why? The Brisbane Lions are not Fitzroy. And that is why we should have our own board.
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Port Adelaide 1870
2 Feb 2001, 18:17
Seems to me that the whole Brisbane/Fitzroy takeover has left a lot of Sour feeling in Melbourne, from what Ive seen on these posts...
I am still finding it difficult to work out How Brisbane could have taken over Fitzroy...yet there is still a Fitzroy Football club in Melbourne supporting other teams as a sponsor.
PA1870
Originally posted by FitzroyRamone:
Just because Fitzroy is no longer a competing side in the AFL doesn't mean our love has died. Some of you may not understand our passion, but ask any Fitzroy person who supports Brisbane is the feeling the same as before, and more often than not, the answer is no. And why? The Brisbane Lions are not Fitzroy. And that is why we should have our own board.
WELL-PUT!!!!! http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/smile.gif I whole-heartedly support the Brisbane Lions, but I'll always be a Roygal at heart. http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/smile.gif Did you email Bluey??? Who has, actually? I have. http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/smile.gif
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Mobbenfuhrer
3 Feb 2001, 01:21
Well, I'm using this thread in the meantime http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/smile.gif
TWO IN A SEASON AIN'T BAD
(To 'Two out of three ain't bad' - Meatloaf)
The Bombers put the 'mare' into night,
While Carlton let us score the first quarter.
Fremantle helped themselves to their first ever win,
I went to Sydney for nothing.
We saw Geelong do us in full flight,
Although it seemed a full-forward had finally appeared.
In one quarter Carey snuffed out our fire,
And Mitchell White remains breathing.
We gave the maggies a little doubt,
But our kicking let us down again.
It was contagious as the Bears found out,
But even though, they were off-line, damn Brisbane
went on and did as they pleased.
But I'll tell you the truth,
Our strength is in our youth.
We won two, from twenty-two,
a couple of games the press did not expect us to.
So don't be sad, 'cause two in a season ain't bad.
No don't be sad, 'cause two in a season ain't bad.
Richmond took us on at the MCG,
Their resurrection looked like fading suddenly.
Our losing of that game could be put down as bad luck,
But the league gets what it wants, even if it has to cheat,
at the expense of us.
With a sigh, we met the Hawks,
who were coming of a loss, and a lot of faith died.
The Scraggers were able, to deal out a thumping,
while we watched the eviction of Scott.
Well there was no-one from Melbourne that I liked a lot,
And then the bloody Bombers ran the show.
Carlton humbled us way out at Waverley Park,
The Dockers hit, we wouldn't have ago.
Dear old Plugger kicked sixteen and not a single point,
The cats took time but laid us to rest.
Could have beat the Saints but kicking was a problem once more,
North Melbourne really put us away.
But my heart kept telling me,
my heart kept telling me,
my heart kept telling me,
We won two, from twenty-two,
A couple of games the press did not expect us to,
So don't be sad, 'cause two in a season ain't bad.
We won two, from twenty-two,
A couple of games the press did not exepct us to,
So don't be sad, 'cause two in a season ain't bad.
No don't be sad, 'cause two in a season ain't bad.
I know our direction is right,
When Higgsah tells me there's always next year.
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Wow. How proud I am that there are still Roy supporters out there who feel the way I do.
Can we please have a board, Bluey? Please?
Boy. You guys are sure in denial, living in the past.
How would you like it if the old Bears people asked for a Bears board.You would laugh your socks off.
Whats good for one is good for the other.
This whole thread is just a waste of space.
PA1870,
I've stated this several times elsewhere and I know Mobbenfuhrer has mentioned parts of this at least once.
The club operations (including financial operations) of the Fitzroy Football Club Ltd. and the Brisbane Bears were merged. There is no doubt about that! I have a copy of the actual Deed of Arrangement that states this clearly. By the terms of the Deed of Arrangement (signed and agreed to by the then administrator of the Fitzroy Football Club) all Fitzroy's memorabilia held by the club in 1996 belongs to the Brisbane Lions.
As part of the deal to clear the Fitzroy Football Club Ltd's, debts, Brisbane was granted permission by the AFL to wear the Fitzroy colours, use the Lion emblem and have claims on Fitzroy's history especially memorabilia. As part of the Deed of Arrangement, the Brisbane Bears undertook to lend...not donate... money to the Fitzroy Football Club Ltd. (believed to be over $800,000) to pay out creditors, particularly Nauru.
The legal entities were NOT merged! The 'Brisbane Bears Football Club Ltd'. members to acknowledge the merger of the club operations of both clubs and the Bears change of identity to a Fitzroy one voted to change the official name of the company to 'Brisbane Bears-Fitzroy Football Club Ltd'.
The Brisbane bears-Fitzroy Football Club Ltd. (Brisbane Lions) now hold a debenture over the company 'Fitzroy Football Club Ltd'., for $800,000, which they have not claimed to date. That debt now longer appears in the Brisbane financial report to members, as Brisbane believe it is a debt that will never be paid back. However Brisbane according to legal advice still holds the debenture, meaning they could take legal action to relcaim the money if they wanted to.
The Fitzroy Football Club Ltd. have questioned the legal validity of that debenture, but have been advised, as late as last year, that if they took it to court they would most likely lose. This is one of the reasons, a new company the 'Fitzroy Football Club Social Club Ltd'. has been set up, to channel money into.
Why do I and many other Fitzroy supporters now support the Brisbane Lions? Because I want to follow AFL and would prefer to follow a team that while not the same as Fitzroy, at least has some outward vestiges of the mighty Roys. In the AFL who should I be following instead? North Melbourne?
Despite what some people think, supporting Brisbane in the national competition does not necessarily conflict with supporting a Fitzroy presence in the Amateurs, the VFL, or wherever. Fitzroy isn't dead, it's alive and well in various forms at a number of levels and long may it remain so.
if roy fans have the demand for a board (which they obviously do) then i think it's fair enough, i for one would be interested to read and learn more about the club
GEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..............isn't it a COINCIDENCE(!!!) that there has been a sudden rise in FITZROY supporters!!!!!!!!!! All with 10 posts or less!!!! http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
Fitzroy don't exist anymore so just face it. "There is a local league" with supporters all around the country. You have to be kidding me right? Apart from in vic there wouldn't be more than a few hundred around Australia, from that few hundred practically none would come to bigfooty. What's gone has gone. Forget it. Registering new users as well seems to be a bit pathetic to me.
And if you still want a board for Fitzroy, make your OWN website, called www.thewebsitefordiehardfootballsupporterswhosupportafootbal llclubthatnolongerexists.com.moon. (http://www.thewebsitefordiehardfootballsupporterswhosupportafootbal llclubthatnolongerexists.com.moon.) And if you can actually be bothered in typing that address you can look forward to the annual post that makes its way there to the board every year.
P.S. Why would you want to talk about Fitzroy anyway...they never did anything good in their existence in modern footy.
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I was put on this Earth to complete a certain number of tasks. I am so far behind I will never die...
Originally posted by Visro:
Fitzroy don't exist anymore so just face it. "There is a local league" with supporters all around the country. You have to be kidding me right? Apart from in vic there wouldn't be more than a few hundred around Australia, from that few hundred practically none would come to bigfooty. What's gone has gone. Forget it. Registering new users as well seems to be a bit pathetic to me.
And if you still want a board for Fitzroy, make your OWN website, called www.thewebsitefordiehardfootballsupporterswhosupportafootbal llclubthatnol ongerexists.com.moon. (http://www.thewebsitefordiehardfootballsupporterswhosupportafootbal llclubthatnolongerexists.com.moon.) And if you can actually be bothered in typing that address you can look forward to the annual post that makes its way there to the board every year.
P.S. Why would you want to talk about Fitzroy anyway...they never did anything good in their existence in modern footy.
And who do you support? WCE? Get a real club!
How does it affect you if we have a board of our own? (Notice also that I have almost 200 posts - not just someone who has appeared overnight!).
I suggest to you, that a Fitzroy board would easily have more posts on it in one year, than boards for teams such as WCE and Fremantle (possibly even put together).
You say that Fitzroy made no contribution to "modern football"? (Whatever that term is supposed to define).
Well, consider the fact that the pathetic clubs from WA have both been in existence less than 15 years, and in that time have both produced the worst football jumpers known to the code throughout its ENTIRE (not just "modern") history!
CARN THE ROYS!!!
Bring on the Roys Board!!!!
Originally posted by Claire:
Boy. You guys are sure in denial, living in the past.
How would you like it if the old Bears people asked for a Bears board.You would laugh your socks off.
Whats good for one is good for the other.
This whole thread is just a waste of space.
If you want a Bears board, then ask for one yourself. Stop your endless bitching about something that doesn't affect you!
Mind you, I will explain it again. http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
Unlike the Bears, the Fitzroy Football Club STILL has operations outside that of the Brisbane Lions. The Bears do not! Therefore, Fitzroy supporters still have a lot to talk about in regards to what their club is doing now (eg: Coburg-Fitzroy Lions, Fitzroy Reds, Fitzroy Juniors, etc. etc.).
If you want us to talk about that on the BRISBANE LIONS site, then we will! Just don't have a bitch about it later!
As for living in denial - well, denial of what? C'mon, explain it! No-one is denying that Fitzroy no longer has it's own AFL side - we are simply supporting the club's past, current, and future ventures.
If you have a problem with that, then you must also have a problem with the boards for every other club on this site. None of them are any different.
As it's already been pointed out, there is no pre-requisite for a "Team Board" on Bigfooty to be for that of an "AFL Team". The banner merely says "Team boards for registered users".
If there is enough demand for a Roys board, then why not have one?! It doesn't affect those who aren't interested (you don't have to go there!). If the board proves to be a failure, then that'll speak for itself. However, who is saying that is going to happen? I bet a Roys board would have more posts than some other clubs.
Anyway, how does it affect you if "we" are indeed living in denial (as you claim)? Do you seriously sit around worrying about what other people do with their lives, even though it doesn't affect you? I bet you won't bother answering that question, either.
As for the thread being a waste of space, well, you've contributed to it a number of times under differing unregistered names. I'd definitely say YOUR comments have been a waste of space!
Carn the ROYS!!!
Looks like someones pissed off. Did i ever mention you in the sudden influx of Fitzroy supporters?!?!?! Also, if the worst insult you can come up about the WA teams is that their jerseys suck......well.......AT LEAST WE'VE WON 2 PREMIERSHIPS.....btw how long did it take for Fitzroy to first win a VFL premiership, let along finish in the top 4?
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I was put on this Earth to complete a certain number of tasks. I am so far behind I will never die...
Bunton's Love Child
3 Feb 2001, 14:09
A whole lot quicker that that well known corporate invention from nowheresville.
Mobbenfuhrer
3 Feb 2001, 14:17
Silly duffer, Visro!
We won our first premiership one year after the VFL commenced. Not the first year, it took us all the way up until the second season.
We got another one the year after that, but I suppose that's irrelevant to the original question.
First GF win, too, as the inaugural season was a 'first at end of home and away wins' system.
8 flags. 8 brownlows. a number of players listed as being amongst the game's best (Bunton is sometimes argued as being THE best, though I doubt he was quite that high).
Plus, being killed and not dying? That's a feat! Immortal be thy Roys. I suppose some would say we're hardly immortal, can't still exist, as we are not in the AFL. But God doesns't walk around among us, either. Yet God is immortal, God exists. Roys -omnipresent.
More VFL seasons than any other club (1897 to 1989, 1999-2000).
Oooh its good to expel that http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Cheers from Kev (a bit over 10 posts).
Hehe.
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Hallowed be thy Roy
God, I'm loving this. It's pretty obvious alot of supporters AREN'T CAPABLE of undersatnding what Fitzroy meant to the supporters. For this reason alone we should have a board.
I couldn't care less if the Bears get a board. How would it affect me? I just wouldn't go there. Anyone who says Fitzroy is dead has no understanding of what we are on about. Fitzroy lives on as long as we want it to.
Cheers,
Sbagman.
Touchy lot eh.
The Bears are no longer also.I dont sing my song at the footy anymore.
Sure I hate that, but !!!!!!!
Also before you pack of morons on here attack me, I am not a Queenslander.
Mobbenfuhrer
4 Feb 2001, 03:38
Well,
The popularity component is easily fulfilled, look how many other folks are already bagging us on this post. That's a major characteristic of a team board http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
However, I can't for the life of me work out what it is that they're so afraid of ...
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Hit The Boundary Saints
4 Feb 2001, 03:50
As a supporter of another Victorian club that doesn't fit the leagues "power club" criteria, I have often contemplated what it would be like if my club died, and reading this thread, my sympathies are with the old RoyBoys.
I read in many other places about Port Adelaide and their rich history, rivalries built up over 100 years blah, blah, blah, and here we have a club who was a very big part of this history (as mentioned 8 premierships, and was the most successful club in existence for the 1st 30 years of the VFL).
Their supporters have been crucified in the "merger" with Brisbane. I probably would have gone on to support the BL, but I can certainly understand those who didn't. If they can gether enough support for a Fitzroy board, what's it to you. If I was in their position, it would be great to have somewhere to reminisce about the Roys.
Hit the Boundary Sainters!!!!!
Originally posted by Visro:
Looks like someones pissed off. Did i ever mention you in the sudden influx of Fitzroy supporters?!?!?! Also, if the worst insult you can come up about the WA teams is that their jerseys suck......well.......AT LEAST WE'VE WON 2 PREMIERSHIPS.....btw how long did it take for Fitzroy to first win a VFL premiership, let along finish in the top 4?
YOU IDIOT!!! The Roys were the first team in VFL history to win back to back premierships!!! Those two premiership wins came in the 2nd and 3rd years of the VFL competition!!!! Considering the fact that we won 8 premierships in total (not just a miserly two, which you seem to brag about), the WCE have a fair way to go before they even get close to matching the Roys.
Get your facts straight BEFORE you shoot your mouth off, moron!
Originally posted by Nathan:
Touchy lot eh.
The Bears are no longer also.I dont sing my song at the footy anymore.
Sure I hate that, but !!!!!!!
Also before you pack of morons on here attack me, I am not a Queenslander.
You're the only moron around here mate! Haven't you read? This has NOTHING to do with the Bears!!!
Olmy - my concerns for having a Fitzroy board are not motivated by fear. And you are correct in saying that if there was one, that I would probably visit it.....as you know, it is thru ppl such as yourself that I have learnt more about Fitzroy.
My concern is what it will more than likely turn into...or at least 85% of it..just as other 'Fitzroy' boards have done in other places.....a place to bitch and moan about the Brisbane Lions, whinge about all that has been lost, about how the Bears are alive still in a stolen jumper, how the Brisbane Lions are taking more and more of Fitzroy out of them each year.
About how ppl up here don't understand the pain of the Fitzroy loss as only Victorians understand real football passion, about how the Bears supporters pain was not real as they had only been around for 10 years instead of 100. About how the AFL, VFL, VFA or whoever are still trying to shaft Fitzroy.
About how any Fitzroy supporter who has truly moved on, and doesn't feel the pain anymore mustn't have been a 'real' Fitzroy supporter. About how if you follow the Brissy Lions, but not the Fitzroy Reds (or Coburg - Fitzroy when they were till around) yet said you followed the Roys, then you weren't a real supporter.
How 'so many' ppl can't follow the Brisbane, that their pain is still real etc etc etc.
It is stuff like that that I do object too. Fitzroy already have enough boards to do that on.
And the simple insensitivity that the whole merger thing only 'happened' to Fitzroy, and that we as former Bears members don't have the right to object to hearing the same bleatings over and over again, that it is always a 'me, me me' situation is what gets my goat. The constant martyrdom is the problem.
That is why I voted no for a Fitzroy Board.
If the Fitzroy board was about reminiscing and talking about what ever part of Fitzroy is still competing in whatever league - then yeah go ahead. But history shows that is not how it will happen. It may start like that, but always without fail ends up in a cry of martyrdom.
For all those ppl that haven't moved on, that can't follow the Brisbane Lions or any other team for that matter, even tho they wish they could, how does all that help them? How does the infighting and the constant reminders of the pain they felt when it all happened help them to move on?
Mobbenfuhrer
4 Feb 2001, 13:32
Danni has a lot of valid points, the bleating for instance is a little distracting. It probably is a sort of fear, or an aversion at least, of what you project might occur. Like lending your favourite CD to a mate, wondering if it'll come back in one piece, if at all. Yeah, that's a fear.
I can't see why a Fitzroy fan should be so downcast (and this is where I disagree with yer, Danni). In my mind, Fitzroy through it's elevation to this superior plane, above AFL, even above local leagues where the sport component is highly relevant, are entirely empowered to consider themselves the zenith of the religion.
Martyrdom is what its all about. Fitzroy are greater than all, greater than the father, the son and the holy Jim Jess.
Fitzroy was all, and now its even more. Most fans would understand the gist of that, even if they don't particularly share the feeling.
So, imprison, excommunicate, breed out, extinguish ... do what you like if the fancy takes you. We shrug.
We shrug ... and off it slides.
Without a motion, with barely a thought, the blight of that aggression is removed ... and we remain one, unsullied, unsoiled ... aloof, without, nodding glibly.
I quite enjoy the view from up here http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Hallowed be thy Roy
Danni, I AGREE!! It is time that people moved on, and accept the situation as it is.
But really, it's about making the best of what we have left. People can choose to support the Brisbane Lions, or they can choose not to support them. We also have the choice of whether or not to support the remaining facets of Fitzroy which still operate in Victoria.
Personally, I am in favour of both. Unfortunately, we only have a Brisbane board on Bigfooty - this doesn't really cater for some of the Fitzroy topics that could be discussed on a Fitzroy board.
I couldn't guarantee that on a Fitzroy board, that there'd be 100% no anti-Brisbane posts. It'd be the same as any other board. You'd have a variety of different views.
I too would be disappointed if the board became a BL slag-fest, as being a BL supporter, I would only be alienated by such topics. However, people are entitled to their views.
Ideally, a Roys board would be what the title says. A "Fitzroy Board". Not an anti-AFL, or anti-Brisbane board (not all Roys fans are like that anyway).
Obviously there are going to be comments about Brisbane, and any other club from time to time - but if Brisbane supporters (myself included), aren't capable of handling this, then it's not saying much about us, is it?!
I mean, we've often copped a pasting from Roos fans, as well as fans of other clubs, from time to time.
Sure, the whole Fitzroy deal is more sensitive than those other issues. However, making the opinions of Roys fans (from whichever persuasion) a taboo, IMO, would only be an unhealthy thing.
No-one could guarantee that there would be no anti-Brisbane posts from time to time. You can never control what an individual may or may not post.
My only suggestion in regards to that is for the board to have a moderator. Perhaps there could be guidelines, that if people wish to discuss Brisbane (either positively or negatively, then they do it in the Brisbane board, leaving the Roys board for Roys talk.
Obviously people will still be able to make their comments in the Brisbane board - still, you don't see too many anti-Brisbane Roys going out of their way to kick up a fuss there at the moment.
IMO, if there was a "no Brisbane-talk" policy which was enforced be a moderator on the board, then there should be no reason for complaint from any BL supporters. If people want to talk Brisbane, then they'll go the the Brisbane site. That would go for everyone. (Although, the "policy" of "censorship" does seem slightly draconian, however, it might be necessary for the board to garner credibility). After all, there is still a lot to talk about in regards to the Roys! Especially for those who are still Roys fans, or those like yourself Danni, who are interested in what the club is about.
At the end of the day, people don't have to visit a Roys site if they don't want to! If no-one visits the board, then it'll speak for itself. But why not give it a chance to start off with?
C'mon Danni! I know ya hanging out to vote YES!!!! (Hah! This is sounding more like the Republican debate with every post!).
(Btw, I was only jaggin' ya with that "threatened" comment, Danni!).
[This message has been edited by Olmy (edited 03 February 2001).]
Originally posted by Olmy:
I couldn't guarantee that on a Fitzroy board, that there'd be 100% no anti-Brisbane posts. It'd be the same as any other board. You'd have a variety of different views.
It is very unrealistic to even suggest that there would be 100% no anti Brisbane on a board like that. However, as I said, history shows that only around 15% (on a good day) of posts on other boards for Fitzroy are about the good stuff. I for one am not prepared to advocate the giving of another place on the internet for the same people to make their same complaints, accusations and insults.
Originally posted by Olmy
IMO, if there was a "no Brisbane-talk" policy which was enforced be a moderator on the board, then there should be no reason for complaint from any BL supporters. If people want to talk Brisbane, then they'll go the the Brisbane site. That would go for everyone. (Although, the "policy" of "censorship" does seem slightly draconian, however, it might be necessary for the board to garner credibility). After all, there is still a lot to talk about in regards to the Roys! Especially for those who are still Roys fans, or those like yourself Danni, who are interested in what the club is about.
Unfortunately Olmy a ‘censorship’ of that sort, would only antagonise those who wished to post such topics even more and give them an even dimmer view of the Fitzroy component of the Brisbane Lions. Not the desired outcome I would think.
Originally posted by Olmy
C'mon Danni! I know ya hanging out to vote YES!!!! (Hah! This is sounding more like the Republican debate with every post!).
Sorry Olmy – but I can’t agree with you. My vote is still NO.
Another suggestion tho, there was a topic a while back about History in the AFL/VFL having their own board, that would be a good option, as would discussing the Red’s under the regional league banner.
As enticing as your offer/opinions make the board sound, I am not prepared to support it. As you said there are no guarantees it would happen, but history says that there is a bigger chance of it happening than it not happening.
If those ppl want to have a place to be a martyr, then let it be somewhere else. A true martyr does it for the cause, not to perpetuate their personal pain. I can’t support anything that is going to put me in a position of having the team I loved, supported and mourn (even if it is mourning what could have been, instead of what we had), belittled, abused and insulted. As well as the team I now love being put thru the same treatment.
It is too personal an issue and not something I am going to risk.
Sorry.
And Olmy if a Fitzroy Board does eventuate, regardless of who does or doesn't support it's conception, who would you suggest to moderate it to comply with the suggested conditions of it's operations?
Originally posted by Danni:
Sorry Olmy – but I can’t agree with you. My vote is still NO.
If those ppl want to have a place to be a martyr, then let it be somewhere else.
Danni, I respect your decision to vote 'no', basically because you have given some decent reason (unlike some of the other ramble who have been against the suggestion).
In response, I understand most, but not all of your reasons.
To say, "let it happen somewhere else", hey, we aren't talking about starting a Roys board on the official Lions site. This is a BIGfooty site - a place which I understand, to have the objective of being on of the biggest series of footy forums around.
I don't see how having a board somewhere else makes any difference. I mean, all people have to do is type in a new address. You may say then "why bother about having it in Bigfooty couldn't you start it easier somewhere else?". Well, to that I respond, why not have it here? This is an excellent site, with a lot of good contributors. Similarly, this site offers so much in regards to footy talk in forum mode. I believe that a Roys board would be a popular addition to the site.
And for those who aren't interested or are perhaps offended . . . well, if you or I find topics on some of the other team boards offensive, we don't really have to read them. They are there, but we can rise above it. Surely that can happen with a Roys board.
I disagree with the notion that a "non-Brisbane-talk" policy would anger Fitzroy supporters. On another board (for Coburg-Fitzroy), the policy was suggested, and despite a few occasions, it was pretty much adopted successfully by all.
I also kinda quesion the 85%-15% ratio, that you've come up with in regards to topics on a Roys board. With all respect, you've kinda just pulled that figure out of nowhere.
IMO, it's worth giving the board a try. There could be an appointed moderator - someone who is objective enough not to be one-sided or totalitarian. The moderator could monitor the "no-Brisbane" situation. (By this I mean, not starting topics where Brisbane is the key issue - perhaps one-off references which aren't striking up arguments could be overlooked). That means, Brisbane talk (positive or negative), would stay in the Brisbane board.
Either way, I respect the fact that you are opting not to put your vote to a Roys board. However, if it does come about, I hope that you'll give it a chance.
Btw, you didn't congratulate me on 200 posts?!?!?!?!?! http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Originally posted by Danni:
And Olmy if a Fitzroy Board does eventuate, regardless of who does or doesn't support it's conception, who would you suggest to moderate it to comply with the suggested conditions of it's operations?
Without going as far as making a nomination, someone such as 'Roylion' would make a good moderator. Perhaps even 'Lioness22', and there are a couple of others who could also do a good job (perhaps the 'Mobbenfuhrer'!).
Danni, who would you suggest?
Mobbenfuhrer
4 Feb 2001, 15:03
Err ... I've got my hands full with the Fantasy Forum.
Besides, this is the only topic where I declare there is no responsibility for me to remain stable ... and instead indulge myself in touting Fitzroy as the saviour of footballkind etc etc ... I doubt I'd be considered level headed enough http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Olmy Congratulations on 200 posts!
I hope you will do the same for me when than very long coming day arrives for my 500th. I actually was exicted to see that I made the 400th last week.
To have a board for Fitzroy, moderated or not, does nothing but invite division IMO.
It once again leaves the former Bears members feeling hurt that their contribution to the Brisbane Lions is nothing. That the Brisbane Lions are nothing more than an extension of the Bears, however untrue that may be. It gives the Fitzroy community another place to cry. As you have also mentioned here and on other sites, there are many who are not yet ready or able to fondly remember, they only still know their own pain.
The percentage I mentioned were purely perceptual. Based mainly on the egroup you mentioned. And as I am pretty sure you already know I have read that board for around 14 months or however long ago it was first announced on the Lions Forum. Especially in the last 7 or 8 months things have gotten worse on there. When I say xx% I am not referring to an anti-Brisbane sentiment, I am referring to the general tone of conversation on the whole, on whatever topic. It tends to have a habbit of reverting very quickly to how it is another slight against Fitzroy. There certainly aren't too many topics on that site that fondly remember or educate or reminisce about the mighty Roys when they were a part of the AFL/VFL.
You yourself know how many ppl that post on here even think of Fitzroy as being hard done by, as that was all that was ever reported. They had no idea of what the Bears supporters went thru, felt or wanted. That is where the Bears side of things has to come into the consideration.
I am far from Anti-Fitzroy, however I can't see any good coming out from a board that will perpetuate the belief that Fitzroy were the only ones that lost, that 10yrs compared to 100 doesn't count, and that divides the 3 part supporter base of the Brisbane Lions, the Fitzroy, the Bears,and the never followed either of them only the Brisbane Lions, supporters.
I know you will not agree with me and not even understand some of what I am talking about.
If it does eventuate - of course I will give it a go.
But I would also like to reserve my right to say 'I told you so' when the situation arises.
btw - considering I am in my 'I am happy to be totally unreasonable' mode - and will be for the next 2 weeks - I hope you do realise that I have made a concerted effort to respond as reasonably and with the same arguements/points of view as I normally would
....much better effort than to that person on the phone at work yesterday....if you are out there and reading this post.....SORRY......but don't ask me stupid questions when I have already answered them 3 times over.....and I won't become that unreasonable!
Originally posted by Olmy:
Without going as far as making a nomination, someone such as 'Roylion' would make a good moderator. Perhaps even 'Lioness22', and there are a couple of others who could also do a good job (perhaps the 'Mobbenfuhrer'!).
Danni, who would you suggest?
hehe Olmy - you would never want my input on the selection process - I work for the public service! Have you ever seen how rigid their selection processes are compared to a private sector application?
My opinion is that:
1) yes Kev I agree with you, you are fair about the whole situation and have as-level-headedly-as possible made your position quite clear.
2) Roylion is an obvious choice - but would it be worth the risk to chose a former member of one club over another??
3) choose 2 ppl - one from each club that now both follow the Brisbane Lions, have a vested interest in the history of each former team and are quite able to communicate with each other over what is being said on such a board.
I can't see any workable option.....can you?
Danni, believe it or not, I do understand your points, and a lot I do even agree with. I guess, though, the difference is that I am prepared to give it a chance.
Basically, if you look at the Roys fans on this site, most of them are reasonably objective in regards to BL.
Considering the fact that I mentioned this topic on the egroup - I have been surprised that some of the more 'die-hard' supporters haven't also added their voice.
With this said, gauging the response that has been garnered, most of the respondees seem to be of a fairly objective, or at least neutral flavour.
If it does come about, sure, there might be a situation where you say "I told you so". But then again, this is only a suggestion - you can hardly make me accountable for things that other people do.
If the site is given the go-ahead, I do think the way to go is to have a moderator, whether it would turn some people off or not. People would just have to learn to operate within the guidelines.
Anyway, I appreciate your responses. They have been objective, and also thoughtful to the reasons why Fitzroy supporters might want such a board in the first place.
I'll look out for your #500th as well! http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Fat Pizza
5 Feb 2001, 10:12
I've voted for a Fitzroy board. Bluey, did you get my e-mail?
Yes, I'm new to BigFooty - so what? I don't support football, I support Fitzroy. I used to support football, but the AFL cured me of that.
Probably the only threads I'll be interested in contributing to, are those that relate to Fitzroy. If we have our own board, we can keep them all in the one place. Anyone who isn't interested in Fitzroy, doesn't have to read it.
The Bears can have a board too, if they have enough supporters. Go for it.
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Fat Pizzas. They're Big & they're Cheesy.
Mr Ripper
5 Feb 2001, 13:09
Fat Pizza oozed:
The Bears can have a board too, if they have enough supporters. Go for it.
I believe it's ignorant comments like that one from embittered Fitzroy people that give the Danni's of this world reason to be wary of a Fitzroy board. It's also particularly galling to the many of us old Roys who now follow Brisbane LIONS.
Mr Ripper
5 Feb 2001, 13:15
Not that I have anything against a Fitzroy board, btw.
Fat Pizza
5 Feb 2001, 13:58
Perhaps I should have said "if they have enough supporters, who want a Brisbane Bears board". Is that better?
I'm not anti-Brisbane. Bears supporters are as entitled to have a board as Fitzroy supporters are.
I'm convinced, from the number of contributors to this topic, that a Fitzroy board would be well-supported.
If Bears supporters want a site, they should start a campaign, like Olmy has. Like I said, if they want a site, "go for it". I meant it. I reckon any team should be allowed to have a board here, if they have enough contributors to warrant it.
Its not my intention to harass supporters of either the Bears or the Lions. I'd just like to join in the conversations about Fitzroy, without having to sift through heaps of topics I'm not interested in.
Your pizzas are in the mail, Mr Ripper. I'm sending you the Lee Murnane special, with extra cheese.
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Fat Pizzas. They're Big & they're Cheesy.
Originally posted by Fat Pizza:
Yes, I'm new to BigFooty - so what? I don't support football, I support Fitzroy. I used to support football, but the AFL cured me of that.
If you don't support 'football' what are you doing on a 'football' site? My guess is that you read Olmy's post on the egroup about having a Fitzroy board here. Anything to do with Fitzroy is what you will vote for.
What exactly do you think you are going to talk about on a Fitzroy Board that is located on a Football site?? Especially when you don't follow football.
Are you going to be there to impart some of your knowledge of Fitzroy and share with others? Or enjoy a good old gripe about how bad you feel, how you can't follow football anymore cause there is no Fitzroy? About how the AFL/VFL/VFA have stuffed you yet again? What would you gain personally from having a Fitzroy Board? And how will benefit the rest of us?
I am seriously interested to know.
Mr Ripper
5 Feb 2001, 14:09
Message received and understood, Fat Pizza.
Mobbenfuhrer
5 Feb 2001, 16:27
I can undestand a viewpoint of following Fitzroy and not football, although I don't share the view myself.
I presume that Fat Pizza is referring to the religious aspect of support.
Perhaps even a social aspect. Both of those components are apparent in my own conglomerate support for the Roys.
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Mobben - I understand exactly what you are saying.
My questions are genuine.
I am doing what I told Olmy I would and 'giving the idea of it a go' - however for me to do that - i do need to understand the psychie of the request.
That is why I am asking the questions.
To me, if you are not intersted in football, and the sole purpose is to talk about Fitzroy, AND you already have a place that the same ppl asking for a board here, already use.........my question is why do you want one here when you already have the one you use?
I am trying to understand how either the ppl that want the board, or the others on this site that will have access to that board, will benefit by it being here.
I'm with you Danni - your points are very valid.
Phil Doyle
5 Feb 2001, 21:25
So there I am at Roma Street railway station minding my own business during an electricity strike when who should come up but Plod and his little bruvva Jack.
'What's that banner?'Asks Plod senior.
'What banner'?'Says your humble correspondent.
'That banner there!'He says, pointing to the object that looks suspiciously like a banner next to my backpack. Meanwhile Plod's younger bruvva Jack, who loked all of nineteen in his uniform, steps forward and unfurls the banner which reads WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THE LIGHTS WENT OUT?
"Come with us." Says Plod senior.
A few years later I find myself spending summer in Lismore, and with a bit of time on my hands a mate suggests we toddle off to Brissie in his brand new second hand HR Holden, replete with NSW Licence plates. Once again, Highway Patrol plod is waiting for us somewhere in the Albert Shire on what passes as a freeway in Queensland circa 1991.
After what the papers call á thorough and exhaustive search', (i.e. they threw everything, INCLUDING the spare tyre and the back seat, down the embankment) a quantity of suspicious looking green stuff was found in a plastic bag under the front passenger seat.
We hitched back to Lismore.
In 1998 I was working for the Shearers and Rural Workers Union and we were trying to locate $96 million in employee entitlements a Cobar Copper Mine had lost down the back of the lounge.
So we went up to Brisbane to discuss this matter with certain parties concerned. Unfortunately we didn't have an appointment, but, well, we felt this was a rather pressing matter...and, well, Plod takes a rather dim view of such proceedures.
Hope that clears things up for you Bluey.
Last night it was 62 degrees or something in Melbourne so I went and had a lie down on my way back from the pub at the Brunswick Street ground. It's still there, including the Grandstand. Which is more than you can say for the tents at Carrara.
The Ghost of Butch Gale appeared to me in the moonlight, or it might have been the Whitman's Blimp, who can be sure. But I took it as a sign.
The time has come for a Fitzroy Board.
Y'know, I grew up in New South Wales. Dragged up actually.
When I fell in love with footy (I admit I was on the rebound after the collapse of the Newtown Rugby League club), I didn't whinge and moan about needing the game to 'expand', or wait until some parapatetic wreck of a club was foisted on me as some sad excuse for a football team.
I moved to Melbourne.
And now I shake my head balefully at the trifling displays of insecurity from those whose idea of an intellectual endeavour is the Sun-Herald crossword. Those who think Playstation is probably a good idea.
Well I like lying around on suburban footy grounds in the middle of the night. What's wrong with that?
And I like Fitzroy.
They're beautiful.
Any club can rack up success and win. That's easy. They can encourage any no-hoper who's had an imagination by-pass to jump on board the band wagon.
It's the sort of mentality that gets young people killed in wars.
But to barrack for a club that didn't just occasionally lose, that takes spirit. And a strong sense of saviour faire.
Fitzroy lost well. It lost with grace, poise and dignity. It found interesting and scientifically impossible ways to lose.
And when they won!
"Fitzroy won today. Or it could have been yesterday. I can't remember."
Barry Dickins.
When I was young and wanted to do something I'd tell mum that I should do it because 'all the other kids are doing it'.
She'd reply that 'if all the other kids were jumping off a cliff would you do that too'?
So go on. Win a flag. Be succesfull. Jump off the cliff with all the other kids.
Me, I'm interested in the game, not the result. And, as a lot of women will tell you, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Go the Carlton Draught tap at the Lord Newry Hotel.
Go Roys.
Go all things noble and pure.
Go the number 11 tram.
Phil
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Remonstrating with the goal umpire
Mobbenfuhrer
6 Feb 2001, 01:13
Phil,
I was just thinking that you're were becoming very Dickensian (B.) in your post.
Then you quoted him.
'Let's face it Roys, your duds.
Duds. Duds. Duds. Duds. Duds.
Although Richard Osdud played alright ...'
- B.Dickins (compacted).
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Hallowed be thy Roy
raftersmob
6 Feb 2001, 04:01
Totally agree with Danni.
The people on here who are Fitzroy supporters already have numerous forums that they already participate in, why do they need to come to this one as well.
I think we should only have the Brisbane Lions one.Then we are not fragmenting our supporters.
If you wish to discuss Fitzroy, do so on your other forums.The same can be said for the Bears, talk about them elsewhere.
Lets try to keep our club unified, not disjointed.