View Full Version : Eddie says yes to the prisonbars - but just this once
dyertribe
30 Apr 2007, 20:59
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, if so merge away, but Eddie has come out and said Port can wear the prisonbars this heritage round as long as they shelve any future claims to it - heard him speak on the 5AA news.
**** him I say, because you just know it'll be 60s heritage round next year and 50s the year after, etc etc.
finbarr
30 Apr 2007, 21:02
HAHAHAHA!
What a clown. As if it's his decision. If the club accepts this "offer" i'll be very disappointed.
Sandola
30 Apr 2007, 21:04
HAHAHAHA!
What a clown. As if it's his decision. If the club accepts this "offer" i'll be very disappointed.
"Disappointed" wouldn't quite cover it.
Who the hell does the clown think he is?
Porthos
30 Apr 2007, 21:07
What an arseclown. Its not his to give.
cooperjai
30 Apr 2007, 21:09
I think he knows he is eventually going to lose the battle so he's trying to do a deal.
haha, tosser.
Malibu#27
30 Apr 2007, 21:16
In doing so he is conceding our heritage is black and white prison bars .... he's also inadvertantly admitting that there is no agreement already in place - otherwise he would be able to refer back to it and say no.
Arseclown with clown shoes.
Toots Hibbert
30 Apr 2007, 21:16
Someone should tell him you can't be half pregnant. You've either got the heritage or you haven't.
Thanks for acknowledging the heritage Eddie, now sod off.
As others have said, it's not this arrogant arseclown's place to be granting or rescinding permission.
Thought I had a couple of pics of him somewhere....
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2388/eddiefatfaceani2ef9.gif
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/4350/eddiejuice1ff6.jpg
But the jumper won't be the only thing he has to worry about in heritage round. He will also have to contend with.....
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8098/demonwazlgmf6.gif
I am a little disappointed with both Porthos and Bresh, even a little angry:mad:
I know of a few of arseclowns and a couple of them even have clown shoes and I know they would be very upset with being associated with the big E......
:):):)
dreamkillers
30 Apr 2007, 21:46
Eddie continues to destroy the credibility Eddie Munster had...........
raboyle
30 Apr 2007, 22:19
What an arrogant little ******.
Macca19
30 Apr 2007, 22:30
What an arseclown. Its not his to give.
It obviously is his to give, considering the AFL seem to query him about it each year.
raboyle
30 Apr 2007, 22:32
What a hypocritical name it is, isn't it?
AUSTRALIAN Football League... Heritage Round... what rubbish.
maccas_no1
30 Apr 2007, 22:35
**** off Eddie you ******** it's the AFL not the EFL
Toots Hibbert
30 Apr 2007, 23:09
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, if so merge away, but Eddie has come out and said Port can wear the prisonbars this heritage round as long as they shelve any future claims to it - heard him speak on the 5AA news.
**** him I say, because you just know it'll be 60s heritage round next year and 50s the year after, etc etc.
Got a link DT? Think you got in first with your post.
PAFC2004
30 Apr 2007, 23:32
I hope he isn't serious... Port should really shove it up his ****.
So will Demetriou now accept the offer without telling us? :thumbsd:
dyertribe
1 May 2007, 00:19
Got a link DT? Think you got in first with your post.
Not yet, it'll no doubt be in the Ad tomorrow.
As I said, I only heard soundbytes of him on the 5AA news after which KG and Cornesy went into a minor uproar for the same reasons as posted in this thread.
Turn it on Footy Classified, its going to be talked about.
Clownius Arsius
He'll let us join in on a national celebration of footballing heritage as long as we NEVER.DO.IT.AGAIN.
dyertribe
1 May 2007, 01:00
Caro's response was typical.
"Knowing Eddie and his love for that jumper (which one? The bars or the shoddy knockoff they adjust every five minutes?) that is a massive concession."
Made it sound as if he'd shown some kind of saintly mercy to the paupers of Alberton and Boults and co should bite his hand off.
It will be interesting to see how the club reacts to this - Eddie has put the ball well and truly in their court.
Toots Hibbert
1 May 2007, 01:12
Caro's response was typical.
"Knowing Eddie and his love for that jumper (which one? The bars or the shoddy knockoff they adjust every five minutes?) that is a massive concession."
Made it sound as if he'd shown some kind of saintly mercy to the paupers of Alberton and Boults and co should bite his hand off.
It will be interesting to see how the club reacts to this - Eddie has put the ball well and truly in their court.
Yep fully agree that the ball is in our court. How John James responds to this will be very important for the future of this issue. The club needs to think very carefully about how it puts it's case.
I desperately hope that the response will include a statement that Port cannot give up the right to wear it's heritage jumper beyond this year.
Viva la Mattner
1 May 2007, 01:13
Since when was Eddie the AFL Chief???
**** off eddie and worry about your own club
dont see the problem with it, unless they are playing collingwood there is no clash?
and if i am correct collingwood got the idea for thier team strip from the Port Adelaide Magpies FC
Yup.
No matter what, the 'agreement' should well and truly be dismissed now. They really can't use it as an excuse anymore.
It will be interesting to see how the club reacts to this - Eddie has put the ball well and truly in their court.
No, the AFL has done that, and Eddie has opened his stupid trap in a desperate attempt to seem relevant.
We have to be the only professional league in the world where colours seem to have some sort of ownership. Every other league there are multiple teams with the same colour they simply just have clash jumpers!
Port should keep pushing until we can wear the prison bars as our regular top and we can use our current jumpers as clash ones depending on the opponent.
Viva la Mattner
1 May 2007, 01:49
We have to be the only professional league in the world where colours seem to have some sort of ownership. Every other league there are multiple teams with the same colour they simply just have clash jumpers!
Port should keep pushing until we can wear the prison bars as our regular top and we can use our current jumpers as clash ones depending on the opponent.
too late when you joined the AFL the Port Adelaide Power took on the colours of: Silver, Teal, Black and White.
that would be like Essendon saying, ok we dont wanna be black and red anymore, our colours are now red and green.
I wasn't aware Eddie Maguire had been elected CEO of the AFL?
Not his decision to make. STFU Eddie!
The arrogance, childishness and idiocy beggars belief.
Heritage is heritage whether some fat, arrogant loudmouth likes it or not.
Toots Hibbert
1 May 2007, 01:59
I've sent this eMail to John James via the clubs website:-
Dear John,
As a Port member I feel that the club’s stance on the heritage jumper issue is bearing fruit. I think that the Collingwood president’s offer to allow the PAFC to wear the prison bar jumper this year provided it is for the last time is an indication that the football public is in general sympathetic to Port Adelaide’s stance.
I feel that the decision not to take part in last year’s heritage round gained the club sympathy and respect. You and the rest of the hierarchy at Alberton have seen a rise in support for the club’s position both amongst non Port people in South Australia but also interstate and including past and present Collingwood players and supporters.
Eddie McGuire’s offer presents a challenge to you and the rest of the leadership in managing this issue. Your reply will set the tone of the debate going forward so I wish you success in formulating an appropriate response. I strongly hope that response will be to affirm the club’s right to it’s heritage not just in 2007 but in the future also.
Much as I would like to see the club run out in it’s heritage jumper this year I would be dismayed if this was at the cost of giving up the right to wear it in future years. I would back the club if it refused to participate again this year if it meant giving up that right.
Apart from the fact that I cannot see how the Collingwood president has any right to dictate terms to another club he also needs to understand that you cannot be half pregnant. You either have a heritage or you do not. If it is correct to wear the prison bar jumper this year then it is correct to wear it in other years.
Congratulations on getting the issue to this point and wishing you strength and good tactics in pursuing it to a successful conclusion.
Regards
too late when you joined the AFL the Port Adelaide Power took on the colours of: Silver, Teal, Black and White.
that would be like Essendon saying, ok we dont wanna be black and red anymore, our colours are now red and green.
and what's to stop them?
I've sent this eMail to John James via the clubs website:-
Dear John,
As a Port member I feel that the club’s stance on the heritage jumper issue is bearing fruit. I think that the Collingwood president’s offer to allow the PAFC to wear the prison bar jumper this year provided it is for the last time is an indication that the football public is in general sympathetic to Port Adelaide’s stance.
I feel that the decision not to take part in last year’s heritage round gained the club sympathy and respect. You and the rest of the hierarchy at Alberton have seen a rise in support for the club’s position both amongst non Port people in South Australia but also interstate and including past and present Collingwood players and supporters.
Eddie McGuire’s offer presents a challenge to you and the rest of the leadership in managing this issue. Your reply will set the tone of the debate going forward so I wish you success in formulating an appropriate response. I strongly hope that response will be to affirm the club’s right to it’s heritage not just in 2007 but in the future also.
Much as I would like to see the club run out in it’s heritage jumper this year I would be dismayed if this was at the cost of giving up the right to wear it in future years. I would back the club if it refused to participate again this year if it meant giving up that right.
Apart from the fact that I cannot see how the Collingwood president has any right to dictate terms to another club he also needs to understand that you cannot be half pregnant. You either have a heritage or you do not. If it is correct to wear the prison bar jumper this year then it is correct to wear it in other years.
Congratulations on getting the issue to this point and wishing you strength and good tactics in pursuing it to a successful conclusion.
Regards
That's nicely done!
Viva la Mattner
1 May 2007, 02:06
and what's to stop them?
2 words
Andrew Demitrou
I've sent this eMail to John James via the clubs website:-
Dear John,
As a Port member I feel that the club’s stance on the heritage jumper issue is bearing fruit. I think that the Collingwood president’s offer to allow the PAFC to wear the prison bar jumper this year provided it is for the last time is an indication that the football public is in general sympathetic to Port Adelaide’s stance.
I feel that the decision not to take part in last year’s heritage round gained the club sympathy and respect. You and the rest of the hierarchy at Alberton have seen a rise in support for the club’s position both amongst non Port people in South Australia but also interstate and including past and present Collingwood players and supporters.
Eddie McGuire’s offer presents a challenge to you and the rest of the leadership in managing this issue. Your reply will set the tone of the debate going forward so I wish you success in formulating an appropriate response. I strongly hope that response will be to affirm the club’s right to it’s heritage not just in 2007 but in the future also.
Much as I would like to see the club run out in it’s heritage jumper this year I would be dismayed if this was at the cost of giving up the right to wear it in future years. I would back the club if it refused to participate again this year if it meant giving up that right.
Apart from the fact that I cannot see how the Collingwood president has any right to dictate terms to another club he also needs to understand that you cannot be half pregnant. You either have a heritage or you do not. If it is correct to wear the prison bar jumper this year then it is correct to wear it in other years.
Congratulations on getting the issue to this point and wishing you strength and good tactics in pursuing it to a successful conclusion.
Regards
It's a nice letter but I think it affords Eddie far too much respect and credibility.
The Herald Sun gets is surprisingly right. Eddie is just blowing smoke. He obviously got word that the AFL was leaning one way on the issue and decided to pretend he matters.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21649850%255E19742,00.html
COLLINGWOOD president Eddie McGuire will not object to Port Adelaide wearing its old black and white striped jumper in the heritage round.
However McGuire made it clear last night it would be a one-off gesture from his club. He then wants the Power to "shut the hell up."
The heritage round (14) will celebrate the 1970s.
McGuire said he written to Port Adelaide and the AFL about Port wearing the black and white jumper.
"In the spirit of the occasion, they can wear the black and white prison bars one more time and that's the end of it," McGuire told 3AW last night.
"And now let us all go forth and enjoy our lives and stop knocking off each other's things, do it for what the game is all about and let people celebrate it and enjoy it and have one last go of the prison bars and then shut the hell up and let us get on with our lives."
McGuire said if Port wanted to wear the jumper for a big occasion, it could do it once.
"I have written to Port Adelaide, but we are not going to have it every year," he said.
Port Adelaide was last night understood to be miffed with McGuire's comments and wondered why the Magpies' president would need to approve the jumper.
The heritage round was introduced after Port Adelaide joined the AFL in 1997.
It will be very interesting to see how this unfolds. Excitement on the one hand that the prison bars are finally happening, and dismay on the other hand cause the AFL seems potent when it comes to handling this issue.
In regards to Essendon changing it's colors....clubs have every right to change their colors as they see fit. St Kilda changed from Black, Red, Yellow during WW1 or 2 to avoid the German national colors. Hawthorn has gone from red, white, blue. Teams have adopted extra colors. In the NRL many teams have added colors or completely changed them.
cooperjai
1 May 2007, 03:42
I think this could backfire on Eddie.
He has once again assumed Andrew Demitrous' role, and is trying to dictate to the clubs what they can and can't do.
"It's Collingwoods way or no way"!
I'm sure AD will be extremely crapped off that he has been undermined again by Eddie.
Show some balls AD (and leadership) and put Eddie back in his place and declare that Heritage round will be....err HERITAGE round!
He then wants the Power to "shut the hell up."
You first Eddie.
If he is the problem, why? Are the AFL scared Collingwood will drop out of the league or something?
Malibu#27
1 May 2007, 09:36
I think we should be trying to find allies to the cause in the Vic media ... lets face it - they pretty much ignore any noise flying over the border, however if a few prominent journalists in Victoria ... I'm thinking Sheehan for a start were to start fighting the cause then they may start listening.
I'd be fighting the angle that our heritage cannot be changed, and that this is nothing but a childish stance on Eddies part.
Ford Fairlane
1 May 2007, 09:37
Seriously, it's time Port Adelaide came out with a strong public stance on this issue instead of letting everyone dictate to us. I don't care how "miffed" we are in private.
captain ebert
1 May 2007, 09:59
It's a nice letter but I think it affords Eddie far too much respect and credibility.
unfortunately for us that's the whole problem - with regards to this very issue - for some reason he has too much respect & credibility with many in victoria.
he's the president of the biggest club - the very club who's colors we have shared, he's come out to make a deal with us & we need to be very careful with our response & that was very well put in that email. :thumbsu:
2 words
Andrew Demitrou
If Essendon want to change their colours and the clubs happy the AFL wouldn't stop them at all.
So a question to those of you a little more local than I - when can we expect to hear something more on this.....from the club, the AFL, even the media?
Cheers.
I'm a bit confused about the term "prison bars", as far as I know it is the "picket fence". Is this some derogatory term from the East?
lionbear
1 May 2007, 13:51
I have nothing to do with either club but can't work out Eddie's stance on this. The jumpers are the same colours but Ports Prision Bars are not the Strips of Collingwood.
Non of Eddies Business they don't play Collingwood in the heritage round so who cares if they wear black and white or not. It's the Heritage of Port Eddie can't change that so let Port be able to show there heritage like every other team in the AFL can.
Club statement re: heritage guernsey
The Port Adelaide Football Club has issued a statement about the AFL’s upcoming 1970s-themed heritage round.
Power chief executive John James said the club was waiting for confirmation from the AFL that it could wear its 1970s black-and-white ‘prison bar’ guernsey for the match against the Western Bulldogs.
He said it was also looking for confirmation it would be able to continue to honour its heritage in any future heritage rounds.
“The Port Adelaide Football Club has a long and proud history dating back to 1870, one which we and our supporters would like to celebrate in Heritage Round,” James said.
“The Port Adelaide Football Club has submitted to the AFL a request to participate in the AFL’s 2007 1970’s-themed Heritage Round wearing our 1970’s prison bar guernsey.
“We are looking to hear from the AFL that they support the Port Adelaide Football Club’s participation in Heritage Round, not only for this year, but for any allocated Heritage Rounds in the future.
“We are currently waiting to receive official clarification from the AFL.”
Port Adelaide wore black-and-white in the SANFL from 1902 until adding teal and silver to its colours when it joined the AFL in 1997 to avoid a clash with Collingwood.
The club decided not to participate in the 2006 heritage round when the AFL did not approve the club’s 1980s-style black-and-white guernsey for its 80s themed heritage round.
In the previous three non-themed heritage rounds the club wore a black-and-white prison-bar guernsey from 1914 in 2003, a magenta-and-blue guernsey from 1893 in 2004 and a blue-and-white guernsey from 1870 in 2005.
James told the club’s members in February that the club possibly received more correspondence from its supporters about the heritage guernsey than about any other issue and that the club would “continue to fight for its heritage and what is right”
http://portadelaidefc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6038/Default.aspx?newsId=42338
James told the club’s members in February that the club possibly received more correspondence from its supporters about the heritage guernsey than about any other issue and that the club would “continue to fight for its heritage and what is right”
http://portadelaidefc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6038/Default.aspx?newsId=42338
Nice work everyone. :thumbsu:
Ford Fairlane
1 May 2007, 14:10
So a question to those of you a little more local than I - when can we expect to hear something more on this.....from the club, the AFL, even the media?
Cheers.
Well Pred, looks like we need to hear from the AFL.
Might be time to start sending emails to AFL House.
beenreal
1 May 2007, 14:15
I've posted this elsewhere but if we all step back from all the meaningless name calling, teeth gnashing and finger pointing, has anyone really considered what Heritage Round is all about? (without all the cynical $$ references)
What is it's true meaning?
It's more than what clubs once wore. (Some more interesting than others?) It's an an opportunity to remember and honour the greats who once wore the club strip with pride. To reflect on the Lou Richards', the Peter Daicos' and Len Fitzgeralds' of Collingwood. The Dick Reynolds' and Paul Van Der Haars' of Essendon. Peter Crimmins of Hawthorn. From Richmond, Kevin Bartlett (just returned to the club), and too many to keep listing.
All we at Port Adelaide are after is the same chance to remember our greats; "Bull" Revell, Bob Quinn (Magarey Medal and Victoria Cross), Harold Oliver, Stephen "Bomber" Clifford, Russell Ebert, Fos Williams, etc.
Everyone listed above, no matter who they played for has left an indelible mark on the most important subject of this debate ..... THE GAME!
wharfie_1870
1 May 2007, 14:16
I'm a bit confused about the term "prison bars", as far as I know it is the "picket fence". Is this some derogatory term from the East?Actually it is a "wharf" ;)
No, the "prison bars" is not derogatory. It is a term that has been used for many years to refer to the design of the guernsey worn by the PAFC from 1902 until 1996.
Club statement re: heritage guernsey
http://portadelaidefc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6038/Default.aspx?newsId=42338
Wow - I like the statement it has released. Whilst it is relatively not too strong I really like the way it has basically completely ignored big E.
Comments like
club was waiting for confirmation from the AFL that it could wear its 1970s black-and-white ‘prison bar’ guernsey for the match against the Western Bulldogs :thumbsu: - not rocking the boat too much and following the correct procedure. Keeps on the good side of the AFL clowns
looking for confirmation it would be able to continue to honour its heritage in any future heritage rounds. :thumbsu: - spot on, stick it where it fits E!
The club decided not to participate in the 2006 heritage round when the AFL did not approve the club’s 1980s-style black-and-white guernsey for its 80s themed heritage round. :thumbsu: shows strength of conviction, we are willing to protest unjust and unfair dealings when necessary
the club possibly received more correspondence from its supporters about the heritage guernsey than about any other issue :thumbsu: great work to all our supporters. We obviously showed everyone just how much our heritage means to us
the club would “continue to fight for its heritage and what is right” :thumbsu::thumbsu::) shows we aint gonna back down for anyone
Toots Hibbert
1 May 2007, 14:30
That's an excellent response from the club, striking just the right tone IMO. I'm sure they didn't need my email but I'm glad this statement is in line with the one I sent.
BTW to those like Troy who have been flying the heritage banners, they're coming up on TV and I'm sure they get noticed by the decision makers. Keep up the good work. Every little bit helps. :thumbsu:
wharfie_1870
1 May 2007, 14:58
That's an excellent response from the club, striking just the right tone IMO. I'm sure they didn't need my email but I'm glad this statement is in line with the one I sent......Your email may have been the straw that broke the camels back, so to speak. Well done to the club and well done to Toots :thumbsu:
http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/clubs/port/Club_TeamPhoto_1977.jpg
Ford Fairlane
1 May 2007, 15:17
Your email may have been the straw that broke the camels back, so to speak. Well done to the club and well done to Toots :thumbsu:
http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/clubs/port/Club_TeamPhoto_1977.jpg
That's a great photo of the 1977 squad - there's some famous names among that group. There's a few variations on the guernsey theme too.
Count Zero
1 May 2007, 15:18
I think that the statement from the club is spot on. It succinctly sets out the club position, and the background to that position, without seeking confrontation with any irrelevant third party.
wharfie_1870
1 May 2007, 15:23
That's a great photo of the 1977 squad - there's some famous names among that group. There's a few variations on the guernsey theme too.I was surprised that they are not wearing lace ups. The distance between the V-neck and the horizontal bar seems to vary quite a bit, or maybe it's just some are buttoned up.
Ford Fairlane
1 May 2007, 15:26
I was surprised that they are not wearing lace ups. The distance between the V-neck and the horizontal bar seems to vary quite a bit.
The width of the stripes varies quite a bit too.
IIRC the long sleeve jumpers were worn for the team photos for a long time.
captain ebert
1 May 2007, 15:33
That's a great photo of the 1977 squad - there's some famous names among that group. There's a few variations on the guernsey theme too.
so which one will it be?? :p
Ford Fairlane
1 May 2007, 15:38
so which one will it be?? :p
Bucky's looks about right to me - the six white stripes design. Russell's and Woitey's look like pinstripes and Dave's looks too white.
wharfie_1870
1 May 2007, 15:45
so which one will it be?? :pFor the 1970's theme it should be similar to this one from the 1981 GF;
http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/images/Victoryin81.jpg
Six stripes, three each side of the lace-up. As Ford said;
Bucky's looks about right to me - the six white stripes design.....
Forzaport
1 May 2007, 15:56
I think the club has been fantastic in its approach and it's refusal to adopt insulting suggestions like wearing training guernseys for heritage round.
It's still completely ridiculous that a president of a football club can weild such power as to prevent another club from embracing it's own heritage.
The AFL really let down the club in banning us last year, and surely they can now see that port won't participate in any themed rounds if we're not allowed to wear the appropriate guernsey.
Thank God the club can play hard-ball for what we believe in. :thumbsu:
captain ebert
1 May 2007, 15:59
Thank God the club can play hard-ball for what we believe in. :thumbsu:
the port adelaide way, the only way.
cooperjai
1 May 2007, 16:06
OMG!
I actually want the Crows to win this week!!!:eek:
OMG!
I actually want the Crows to win this week!!!:eek:Yep.
No-lose situation. :thumbsu: :thumbsu: :D
OMG!
I actually want the Crows to win this week!!!:eek:
Now now, don't get carried away ;)
Troy Wingate
1 May 2007, 16:38
That's an excellent response from the club, striking just the right tone IMO. I'm sure they didn't need my email but I'm glad this statement is in line with the one I sent.
BTW to those like Troy who have been flying the heritage banners, they're coming up on TV and I'm sure they get noticed by the decision makers. Keep up the good work. Every little bit helps. :thumbsu:
Cheers Toots. Im not able to get to Melbourne this weekend now due to work committments (damn boss being a collingwood supporter :mad: ) so Im hoping that someone else will do me proud and hold my banner high for all to see at the game.
Was the heritage banner in my Tredders video yours, Troy?
PowerKat
1 May 2007, 16:59
The club's response last year was right on the money and the statement today is perfection.
I look forward to being in Melbourne, Rnd 14 to watch the mighty PAFC est 1870, play in the b&w.
The arrogance of Eddie knows no bounds. He probably expected the club to respond with gushing thanks for his generosity :rolleyes:
I look forward to being in Melbourne, Rnd 14 to watch the mighty PAFC est 1870, play in the b&w.You might be getting a little ahead of things.
The AFL haven't given their permission at this stage.
Eddie might have, but we all know it's nothing to do with him.
Troy Wingate
1 May 2007, 17:05
Was the heritage banner in my Tredders video yours, Troy?
No. Mine is the other one that states "our history our heritage our jumper". I think the other belongs to a guy from the outer army
Troy Wingate
1 May 2007, 17:07
The club's response last year was right on the money and the statement today is perfection.
I look forward to being in Melbourne, Rnd 14 to watch the mighty PAFC est 1870, play in the b&w.
The arrogance of Eddie knows no bounds. He probably expected the club to respond with gushing thanks for his generosity :rolleyes:
So far the cheersquad have quite a few of us going over for the game. Should be a good weekend. Even if the AFL deny us the rights, we are going to wear the black and white anyway.
PowerKat
1 May 2007, 17:17
You might be getting a little ahead of things.
The AFL haven't given their permission at this stage.
Eddie might have, but we all know it's nothing to do with him.
I'm an optimistic person :)
wharfie_1870
1 May 2007, 17:32
You might be getting a little ahead of things.
The AFL haven't given their permission at this stage.
Eddie might have, but we all know it's nothing to do with him.Yes, the AFL haven't given their approval and their approval has (should have) nothing to do with Eddie but as I have said in another thread (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7398786&postcount=39) this really puts Dimwitriou in an awkward position. He has to decide if he wants to appear as an uber arseclown or Eddie's bitch. Alternatively he could do the right thing and just allow us to wear a guernsey from the theme period the way that EVERY other AFL club can (well those that existed ;) )
uber arseclown or Eddie's bitchWhile we of course know that he is a little from pile A, and a little from pile B.
Port Power FC are not Port Adelaide
Completely new entity.. one club won a few flags in a small pond and the other has won 1 AFL premiership
I mean how patently obvious does this have to be? Port Adelaide are still playing in the SANFL.. why would Port Power want to wear their jumper for heritage round?
If you want to wear a jumper for heritage round then put the teal on.. it's the only heritage Port Power has
Port Power FC are not Port Adelaide
Completely new entity.. one club won a few flags in a small pond and the other has won 1 AFL premiership
I mean how patently obvious does this have to be? Port Adelaide are still playing in the SANFL.. why would Port Power want to wear their jumper for heritage round?
If you want to wear a jumper for heritage round then put the teal on.. it's the only heritage Port Power has
http://www.neowin.net/forum/fun/ban_him.jpg
http://www.neowin.net/forum/fun/ban_him.jpg
But it's the truth, Port Adelaide are a separate football club in a separate league.. how hard is this to understand?
You didn't get to register Port Adelaide football club as an AFL club so why look to them for any heritage?
The AFL made it clear you couldn't have Port Adelaide.. whats the fuss?
But it's the truthNo, it isn't.
Port Adelaide are a separate football club in a separate league.No, we aren't.
how hard is this to understand?Extremely, as it is nonsensical.
Now run along and stop wasting my time.
Since when was Eddie announced ruler of the universe.
Do what you want guys, that is completely ridiculous
Babylove
1 May 2007, 17:57
I think that Eddie's stance comes a little bit because in the beginning Port wanted the black and white as their regular jumper which Collingwood had every right to and did object too due to the fact they already had that colour scheme and in this competition were there first.
However, I personally don't have a problem with Port wearing their Black & White prison bars in the heritage round each year as long as they don't play Collingwood in that round (due to clash reasons).
At the end of the day though I think you'll find that it doesn't really matter what Eddie does or doesn't want. The AFL are the ones who make the decision on it.
But it's the truth, Port Adelaide are a separate football club in a separate league.. how hard is this to understand?
You didn't get to register Port Adelaide football club as an AFL club so why look to them for any heritage?
The AFL made it clear you couldn't have Port Adelaide.. whats the fuss?
Try this experiment...
Go out into the internet and find as much evidence as you can that SUPPORTS the notion that Port Adelaide FC (Power) are the SAME as Port Adelaide FC (Magpies pre-1997)....and come back and post the links and/or quotes that support it.
Once you've done that, then we'd like to hear your opinion again on your first statements in this thread and whether or not you can substantiate that opinion anymore.
If you want a genuine debate/discussion, then do that first and see if your opinion changes or remains the same.
Troy Wingate
1 May 2007, 17:58
Port Power FC are not Port Adelaide
Completely new entity.. one club won a few flags in a small pond and the other has won 1 AFL premiership
I mean how patently obvious does this have to be? Port Adelaide are still playing in the SANFL.. why would Port Power want to wear their jumper for heritage round?
If you want to wear a jumper for heritage round then put the teal on.. it's the only heritage Port Power has
You sound soooo much like my boss it's scary.
We are not the Port Power Football Club, we are the Port Adelaide Football Club, est. 1870.
Our great club is 137 years old this year. We are the most successful senior sporting club in Australia. We wore the prison bar jumper in the SANFL from 1902-1996, and we had to adopt two new colors and a new jumper design to avoid a clash with Collingscum when we entered the AFL.
To keep a Port Adelaide presence in the SANFL, the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club was established. Both the PAFC and the PAMFC share the history, heritage, tradition and records from 1870-1996.
Don't like it, lump it.
Troy Wingate
1 May 2007, 17:59
I think that Eddie's stance comes a little bit because in the beginning Port wanted the black and white as their regular jumper which Collingwood had every right to and did object too due to the fact they already had that colour scheme and in this competition were there first.
However, I personally don't have a problem with Port wearing their Black & White prison bars in the heritage round each year as long as they don't play Collingwood in that round (due to clash reasons).
At the end of the day though I think you'll find that it doesn't really matter what Eddie does or doesn't want. The AFL are the ones who make the decision on it.
We have no problems with that. Although it woulda been nice to wear the black and white prison bar jumper full time in the AFL except when we played Collingwood in Victoria.
Port Power FC are not Port Adelaide
Completely new entity.. one club won a few flags in a small pond and the other has won 1 AFL premiership
I mean how patently obvious does this have to be? Port Adelaide are still playing in the SANFL.. why would Port Power want to wear their jumper for heritage round?
If you want to wear a jumper for heritage round then put the teal on.. it's the only heritage Port Power has
Prove it.
wharfie_1870
1 May 2007, 18:01
Port Power FC are not Port Adelaide.....Damn right the PPFC are not the PAFC but who the heck are the Port Power FC :confused:
Are they a Victorian team that is trying to cash in on the success of the PAFC?
We've already had one Victorian wanabe club steal our colours and our emblem.
I think that Eddie's stance comes a little bit because in the beginning Port wanted the black and white as their regular jumper which Collingwood had every right to and did object too due to the fact they already had that colour scheme and in this competition were there first.
However, I personally don't have a problem with Port wearing their Black & White prison bars in the heritage round each year as long as they don't play Collingwood in that round (due to clash reasons).
At the end of the day though I think you'll find that it doesn't really matter what Eddie does or doesn't want. The AFL are the ones who make the decision on it.
Thanks for the honest opinion.
Btw, if Port DID play Cwood in heritage round...assume at AAMI....or not.....isn't Port's heritage predominantly black, while Cwood's predominantly white....therefore no clash.....just like I hear many Cwood people complain about the whole Clash concept anyway like Kangaroos vs Cwood is so different you'd have to be blind to see a Clash.
IE, there is no clash based on Heritage Guernsies. If you were genuine about it being cool but not Cwood PURELY because of Clash, then there is no clash, therefore it would be fine, right? Or are you still harboring "no, we're black-white, not them, they should be outlawed from wearing their heritag even against us because if they play us then they have no heritage in black-white, but if they play other teams then they can have their heritage".
Sounds a bit hypocritical.
Babylove
1 May 2007, 18:11
Thanks for the honest opinion.
Btw, if Port DID play Cwood in heritage round...assume at AAMI....or not.....isn't Port's heritage predominantly black, while Cwood's predominantly white....therefore no clash.....just like I hear many Cwood people complain about the whole Clash concept anyway like Kangaroos vs Cwood is so different you'd have to be blind to see a Clash.
IE, there is no clash based on Heritage Guernsies. If you were genuine about it being cool but not Cwood PURELY because of Clash, then there is no clash, therefore it would be fine, right? Or are you still harboring "no, we're black-white, not them, they should be outlawed from wearing their heritag even against us because if they play us then they have no heritage in black-white, but if they play other teams then they can have their heritage".
Sounds a bit hypocritical.
It depends on which guernsey the Collingwood are wearing for heritage round to how predominant the black is and how obvious the clash is, although generally speaking up until recently when the black has become more predominant, it has been an even split of black & white stripes. I personally don't think there are so many jumper clashes that there is a need for alternate jumpers. Though I do think having two teams with the exact same colours in the fast paced game that we have today, would make it tough on the players trying to pass to teammates etc, and if there were to be a clash that would be it.
But anyhow given the way the draws done I don't think Collingwood have ever played Port in the heritage round so it's pretty much a moot point anyway.
Troy Wingate
1 May 2007, 18:11
Thanks for the honest opinion.
Btw, if Port DID play Cwood in heritage round...assume at AAMI....or not.....isn't Port's heritage predominantly black, while Cwood's predominantly white....therefore no clash.....just like I hear many Cwood people complain about the whole Clash concept anyway like Kangaroos vs Cwood is so [B]different you'd have to be blind to see a Clash.
IE, there is no clash based on Heritage Guernsies. If you were genuine about it being cool but not Cwood PURELY because of Clash, then there is no clash, therefore it would be fine, right? Or are you still harboring "no, we're black-white, not them, they should be outlawed from wearing their heritag even against us because if they play us then they have no heritage in black-white, but if they play other teams then they can have their heritage".
Sounds a bit hypocritical.
Exactly right. There is no clash.
Port Adelaide
http://www.bomberblitz.com/~rmered/images/Port-6.gif
Should mention that the modern day PB jumper, there is no bars, it's exactly the same as the Power have the back of their guernsey, except black instead of teal.
Collingwood
http://www.bomberblitz.com/~rmered/images/Collingwood-2007.gif
or.............
http://www.bomberblitz.com/~rmered/images/Collingwood-1988.gif
captain ebert
1 May 2007, 18:13
You sound soooo much like my boss it's scary.
We are not the Port Power Football Club, we are the Port Adelaide Football Club, est. 1870.
Our great club is 137 years old this year. We are the most successful senior sporting club in Australia. We wore the prison bar jumper in the SANFL from 1902-1996, and we had to adopt two new colors and a new jumper design to avoid a clash with Collingscum when we entered the AFL.
To keep a Port Adelaide presence in the SANFL, the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club was established. Both the PAFC and the PAMFC share the history, heritage, tradition and records from 1870-1996.
Don't like it, lump it.
& BEFORE lumping it, anzac, go & check whats engraved on all the sanfl premiership trophies at alberton too - before & after our 97 entry.
wharfie_1870
1 May 2007, 18:16
.... But anyhow given the way the draws done I don't think Collingwood have ever played Port in the heritage round so it's pretty much a moot point anyway.Exactly. In Heritage Round the AFL should never program Port to play Collingwood or Sydney to play Freemantle. Very simple really but probably beyond those incompetents at the AFL.
& BEFORE lumping it, anzac, go & check whats engraved on all the sanfl premiership trophies at alberton too - before & after our 97 entry.Why would I care about some tin cup in a 2nd rate comp?
I'll check the OFFICIAL AFL RECORDS... hmmm nope sorry, no Port Adelaide football club listed there
I find a complete moron like yourself using "anzacs" as your user name very offensive :thumbsd:
I think it's appropriate, he has about the intelligence of your average biscuit.
It depends on which guernsey the Collingwood are wearing for heritage round to how predominant the black is and how obvious the clash is, although generally speaking up until recently when the black has become more predominant, it has been an even split of black & white stripes. I personally don't think there are so many jumper clashes that there is a need for alternate jumpers. Though I do think having two teams with the exact same colours in the fast paced game that we have today, would make it tough on the players trying to pass to teammates etc, and if there were to be a clash that would be it.
But anyhow given the way the draws done I don't think Collingwood have ever played Port in the heritage round so it's pretty much a moot point anyway.
Carlton, North and Geelong have had a clash of blue-white for many decades.
Melbourne and Essendon likewise (similar).
Richmond-Essendon even identical design. Same with Roos, Hawks, Pies.
Currently, Geelong and Crows have similar design. Crows and Fitzroy lions had clash of similar colors too. Bris Lions in a way too.
Etc.
I think the best idea would just be fulltime Home team wears predominant colors, Away team wears predominant white version (regardless your team). Same would apply in Finals and Grand Finals.
Then there would never be any concern about A> clashes, B> teams sharing colors.
For instance, I would be totally fine if Collingwood had joined the SANFL and were allowed to wear black-white. Just whoever was home/away would wear alternate outfits. I think in any league in the world, it is essentially ethically wrong and practically silly to enforce restrictions on colors etc. There are only a certain amount of colors teams can use, only a certain amount of color combinations. As a league grows you need to A> Allow teams the right to wear colors that are historically meaningful or representative of that region (like international cricket or Olympics etc), B> Have common sense system in regards to managing color clashes with Shirts-Skins(white) being the best most proven way right around the world.
Troy Wingate
1 May 2007, 18:29
Why would I care about some tin cup in a 2nd rate comp?
I'll check the OFFICIAL AFL RECORDS... hmmm nope sorry, no Port Adelaide football club listed there
http://prod.www.portadelaidefc.cfour.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=7945
Visit www.portadelaidefc.com.au Where does it take you? OMG!!! The Power website!!!!!!!! But wait, if the Port Adelaide FC are the Magpies in the SANFL, shouldn't that link take me to the Port Magpies website ???? :eek:
Idiot.
dreamkillers
1 May 2007, 18:30
Port Power FC are not Port Adelaide
We know but we have no idea where the Port Power FC is located or what competition it plays in........
Completely new entity.. one club won a few flags in a small pond and the other has won 1 AFL premiership
But it's the truth, Port Adelaide are a separate football club in a separate league.. how hard is this to understand?
You didn't get to register Port Adelaide football club as an AFL club so why look to them for any heritage?
The AFL made it clear you couldn't have Port Adelaide.. whats the fuss?
Which small pond as Port Power FC hasn't played in the AFL, VFL, SANFL or any other football league I'm aware of so please provide proof of where a club with this name is registered and what competition it plays in.
If you look at the current SANFL premiership cup you will see the name of the Port Adelaide club that won premierships up to and including 1996 in the SANFL is the Port Adelaide Football Club (P.A.F.C.).......it's engraved on the cup.
The Port Adelaide club that won SANFL premiership in 1999 and 1999 is the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club (P.A.M.F.C.) and again that's what is engraved on the cup.........a different name and club to the previous Port Adelaide SANFL premiers.
The Port Adelaide club that won the AFL premiership in 2004 is the Port Adelaide Football Club (P.A.F.C.) and again it's the name engraved on the AFL premiership cup.
Please don't waste our time with this garbage anymore unless you want a break from BigFooty for breaking the rules when posting on team boards ............Team boards are for supporters of each team. Respect the team when you post on their board or you may receive infraction points.
Troy Wingate
1 May 2007, 18:34
We know but we have no idea where the Port Power FC is located or what competition it plays in........
Which small pond as Port Power FC hasn't played in the AFL, VFL, SANFL or any other football league I'm aware of so please provide proof of where a club with this name is registered and what competition it plays in.
If you look at the current SANFL premiership cup you will see the name of the Port Adelaide club that won premierships up to and including 1996 in the SANFL is the Port Adelaide Football Club (P.A.F.C.).......it's engraved on the cup.
The Port Adelaide club that won SANFL premiership in 1999 and 1999 is the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club (P.A.M.F.C.) and again that's what is engraved on the cup.........a different name and club to the previous Port Adelaide SANFL premiers.
The Port Adelaide club that won the AFL premiership in 2004 is the Port Adelaide Football Club (P.A.F.C.) and again it's the name engraved on the AFL premiership cup.
Please don't waste our time with this garbage anymore unless you want a break from BigFooty for breaking the rules when posting on team boards ............Team boards are for supporters of each team. Respect the team when you post on their board or you may receive infraction points.
Let him go DK. We all need a good laugh.
I think it's appropriate, he has about the intelligence of your average biscuit.
BAAAAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA f***in' BOOYAH! :D :thumbsu:
Indeed... as much as I hate remembering it, it wasn't PAMFC that beat Centrals in their last SANFL grand final as the Magpies. Port were admitted on the condition that they add an extra colour to their black & white for the AFL, but the SANFL asked them to field a team in their league to keep up a Port presence and therefore the PAMFC was born.
dreamkillers
1 May 2007, 18:41
Let him go DK. We all need a good laugh.
Like other idiots he gets a warning before any penalties will be imposed for breaking the rules he agreed to when he joined BigFooty........after that we have no interest in seeing any further breaking of the rules he agreed agreed to unless he wants a break from BigFooty.
If he wants to seriously discuss things fine but he needs to avoid the dribble and garbage we've seen from him here today.
Prove it.Well the power play in the AFL and Port Adelaide play in the SANFL.. cant dumb it down much more than that