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AndyWalkersGirl
5 May 2007, 12:54
One Positive, one Minus, One interesting from teh game last night.
For me,
P = Simpson's courage all night. Looks like a rubber band the way he gets squashed under some of the bigger boys. So courageous, he is really starting to find his feet for another big season IMO.
M = Hard to pick one, but i'll go with the fact that we still only kick to Fev, even when it is 4 on 1 :confused: We did this in the first two quarters and it is getting beyond the joke now. Something needs to happen up forward. Pagan addressed this issue at half time and we noticed the difference, but it doesn't take Einstien to realise that we should do this from teh start of the game, not after half time - create space, make leads, forward pressure. Unbelievable last night :thumbsd:
I = Marc Murphy - obviously struggling to accept his no.1 tag each week now, however, i thought it was good to see him take on his man - he didn't look for the easy option, tried to beat his man, even though he got tackled once or twice outside 50 and Fev blasted him for it (again). The boy is trying, and he is a lone ranger our there in our midfield at the moment. I just hope he will be better for it in a year's time :)
Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite
5 May 2007, 12:57
wish fev would stop blasting our youngsters. constructive criticism would be a lot more useful. wish fev would just shut up and play the footy
trueblue_91
5 May 2007, 13:02
Positive- Waites game on Riewold
Negative- Not being discipline enough to follow our men
Interesting- Gibbs looked lost tonight seems low on confidence maybe a run in the 2s for a couple of weeks will be good for him
wish fev would stop blasting our youngsters. constructive criticism would be a lot more useful. wish fev would just shut up and play the footy
It was constructive criticism - "kicking the ****ing thing long".
KnockOut
5 May 2007, 13:45
P: Waite
M: Murphy
I: Fevola in the middle.
Disgraceful game on both Denis' behalf, the players and the umpires. Both Dennis and the players were unwilling to free up the forward line therefore it remained congested all night. Forced Fev to compete 4-1 & 4-2 while St Kilda had 1-1 contests. The ruck division was a real positive this week but still the young inexperienced midfield failed to get on top of St Kilda. Kouta will be a very important addition to the side! Denis was simply out coached which is happening all too often these days.
bLuEbOy1984
5 May 2007, 13:47
P- Waites performance
N - Fevs first half, and shooting for goal was disgracefull
I- we dont have a quality tagger in our team, who can go with the oppostions midfield e.g. Dal Santo carved us up... we need a quality tagger
marcmurphy3
5 May 2007, 13:49
P = Jared Waites fantastic performance against Nick
N = Shocking tactics and Murphy's lack of form (I know he is being taged but its worrying). Couldn't help myself I had to put two
I = Kennedy in the ruck (he looked pretty good)
P: Waite - I thought Reiwoldt would smash him, well done to him. :thumbsu:
M: Forward setup - Doesn't look like any of our mids know what to do except go long to Fevola in a contest. We need more options (get well soon Fisher!)
I: What can Murphy do to beat a hard tag?
blues4flag
5 May 2007, 14:42
P: Waite's fantastic game on the sook
N: Walker. Absolutely nothing to do with Walker's form, which has been very good - but more to do with the way Pagan's using him. At the game, I was keeping a very close eye on Walker, and he must have moved between defense and forward fifty atleast 10 times. Not just in general play either. In a period during the third quarter, when it was raining goals, I seem to recall Walker starting on HB, then at the next center bounce, at HF followed by another stint at HB. Why? Let him settle in one position, it's not gonna do him any good switching every five bloody minutes - all it'll do is result in him going missing.
I: Marc Murphy's poor form. Though I must say, Baker's not the easiest taggers to play against in the AFL. Hopefully with Kouta back he can relief some of the pressure on Murph - if he continues to struggle, might we see him spending extended time at HF?
P: Waite's game on Revolting
M: Our kicking for goal
I: Kennedy in the ruck (he had more hitouts than Cloke)
bluegal1983
5 May 2007, 15:00
P: Waite's fantastic game on the sook
N: Walker. Absolutely nothing to do with Walker's form, which has been very good - but more to do with the way Pagan's using him. At the game, I was keeping a very close eye on Walker, and he must have moved between defense and forward fifty atleast 10 times. Not just in general play either. In a period during the third quarter, when it was raining goals, I seem to recall Walker starting on HB, then at the next center bounce, at HF followed by another stint at HB. Why? Let him settle in one position, it's not gonna do him any good switching every five bloody minutes - all it'll do is result in him going missing.
I: Marc Murphy's poor form. Though I must say, Baker's not the easiest taggers to play against in the AFL. Hopefully with Kouta back he can relief some of the pressure on Murph - if he continues to struggle, might we see him spending extended time at HF?
Couldn't agree more with everything you have just said.
Waite was inspirational.
Walker didn't know what to do because he couldn't settle in the one position. Pagan wasted him last night.
I think Murph will benefit from some boxing lessons to toughen him up a bit. When Baker dropped him in the last quarter, Simmo came in to defend Murph. He didn't even stick up for himself.
I love Murph. He is one of my favourites but he has to grow some balls. I know it will come with experience but I expected a bit more of a fight from him. He looked intimidated.
AndyWalkersGirl
5 May 2007, 15:07
Couldn't agree more with everything you have just said.
Waite was inspirational.
Walker didn't know what to do because he couldn't settle in the one position. Pagan wasted him last night.
I think Murph will benefit from some boxing lessons to toughen him up a bit. When Baker dropped him in the last quarter, Simmo came in to defend Murph. He didn't even stick up for himself.
I love Murph. He is one of my favourites but he has to grow some balls. I know it will come with experience but I expected a bit more of a fight from him. He looked intimidated.
Firstly, i agree with what you have said about Walker - this too can be applied to many of our younger players, who are chopped around the ground, isntead of given time to develop in one area.
However, i think you are a bit too harsh on Murph. he tries his guts out and is only 19 and carrying our midfield. For the record, he is taking boxing lessons (look at thesexysquads.com's photos of the last training :) ). Murphy problem is that he is tagged, heavily, and needs other midfielders to stand up and ease the pressure on him. Throw Carrazzoo in there. Throw Scotland in there occasionally. Leave Anderson in there.
Murph does have courage, he is anything but intimidated. how many times has he put his body on the line and been crunched?? Very harsh on Murph BG:confused:
I'm starting to think that our depth is really not all that deep just yet:o
bluegal1983
5 May 2007, 15:13
Firstly, i agree with what you have said about Walker - this too can be applied to many of our younger players, who are chopped around the ground, isntead of given time to develop in one area.
However, i think you are a bit too harsh on Murph. he tries his guts out and is only 19 and carrying our midfield. For the record, he is taking boxing lessons (look at thesexysquads.com's photos of the last training :) ). Murphy problem is that he is tagged, heavily, and needs other midfielders to stand up and ease the pressure on him. Throw Carrazzoo in there. Throw Scotland in there occasionally. Leave Anderson in there.
Murph does have courage, he is anything but intimidated. how many times has he put his body on the line and been crunched?? Very harsh on Murph BG:confused:
I'm starting to think that our depth is really not all that deep just yet:o
I know Murph tries his guts out and is carrying the midfield but there are guys who can try and take the load off but Pagan isn't putting them in there.
I know Baker is one of the best taggers in the comp and every week he takes the oppositions best midfielder and keeps them out of the game but that is not the part of the game I was referring to.
My post about Murph was purely relating to how he handled himself in that one instance last night when Baker dropped him. I guess I expect too much of him because I know that he does have that grunt in him but in that particular instance he didn't and therefore looked intimidated by Baker.
AndyWalkersGirl
5 May 2007, 15:15
I know Murph tries his guts out and is carrying the midfield but there are guys who can try and take the load off but Pagan isn't putting them in there.
I know Baker is one of the best taggers in the comp and every week he takes the oppositions best midfielder and keeps them out of the game but that is not the part of the game I was referring to.
My post about Murph was purely relating to how he handled himself in that one instance last night when Baker dropped him. I guess I expect too much of him because I know that he does have that grunt in him but in that particular instance he didn't and therefore looked intimidated by Baker.
Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up, i didn't see that bit. The thing that is most frustrating, and i've posted it elsewhere, is that Pagan chops and changes our structure so often, for no reason. Why move Carrazzo out of midfield, when he had been doing so so well for us in there as a ball winner?
It makes absolutely no sense, and I'm very quickly losing faith in Pagan.
AndyWalkersGirl
5 May 2007, 15:24
BG, Baker has been reported for striking Murphy.
I'm quite glad that Murphy kept his cool, and didn't retaliate. Shows a lot of sense and maturity if you ask me. I'd much rather he do this, than attack back. Is that what you wanted him to do?
Sounds like he showed leadership, was mature and kept his head together, which is what we should be asking of our 19 year old players to do.
:confused:
bluegal1983
5 May 2007, 15:34
BG, Baker has been reported for striking Murphy.
I'm quite glad that Murphy kept his cool, and didn't retaliate. Shows a lot of sense and maturity if you ask me. I'd much rather he do this, than attack back. Is that what you wanted him to do?
Sounds like he showed leadership, was mature and kept his head together, which is what we should be asking of our 19 year old players to do.
:confused:
I just wanted him to stand up for himself. You don't need to be forceful to do that.
AndyWalkersGirl
5 May 2007, 15:46
I just wanted him to stand up for himself. You don't need to be forceful to do that.
Yes fair enough :thumbsu:
From what i saw last night, Murphy didn't seem to be enjoying it, at the half time huddle I think it was, he looked out of it, especially after when Fev had a few words to him.
Better luck for him next week :)
I_was_there_in_87
5 May 2007, 17:44
Hard night for murph, although after that incident he seemed to get some more of the ball and was about the only one to do anything in the last qtr.
As an aside- just how good is robert harvey, the bloke is still a star.
P - 5 goals in 10 mins - shows what we could do.
M - fev at murphy after he stuffed up by not getting the ball out of bounds - if anyone needs to pull their head in its fev - should have put his arm around him and tell him to keep going.
I - Kennedy in the ruck - got his hands to a few and is definately mobile. still think he should be starting out of the square though
Sticks 4
5 May 2007, 17:51
I just wanted him to stand up for himself. You don't need to be forceful to do that.
agree with that... to an extent. If he doesn't fight back - within the rules, of course - he'll just start copping that sort of treatment every week. On the other hand, no experienced players came in to help out. Simmo did his thing but he's hardly the hard man of the AFL. Someone like Scotland, T-Bird or Ackland should be throwing some weight around to take the heat of our teenagers. These guys have been playing seniors for long enough that they should know when to lend a hand physically.
Murph isn't soft (I know your not suggesting that) but he looked a bit lost and alone at that incident. It would have been a great time for Fev to show some mateship and leadership to make up for the bagging he gave him earlier.
On a more positive note, I agree with most on here that Waite was easily the highlight of a very disappointing game.
AndyWalkersGirl
5 May 2007, 17:56
agree with that... to an extent. If he doesn't fight back - within the rules, of course - he'll just start copping that sort of treatment every week. On the other hand, no experienced players came in to help out. Simmo did his thing but he's hardly the hard man of the AFL. Someone like Scotland, T-Bird or Ackland should be throwing some weight around to take the heat of our teenagers. These guys have been playing seniors for long enough that they should know when to lend a hand physically.
Murph isn't soft (I know your not suggesting that) but he looked a bit lost and alone at that incident. It would have been a great time for Fev to show some mateship and leadership to make up for the bagging he gave him earlier.
On a more positive note, I agree with most on here that Waite was easily the highlight of a very disappointing game.
unfortunately, FEv was too busy being sooky with Murphy for not knocking the ball out of play.
Fev is really disappointing me with his leadership onfield of late. Poor effort, instead of getting stuck into players, give them a pat on the back and tell them to keep their heads up, especially when they are in their first or second season.
He is acting Like the tool Richo from Richmond, and I thought he was the biggest sook tantrum thrower of teh comp, but it seems FEv wants that title.:rolleyes:
so, we are assuming that Fev was giving Murph a spray about that incident?
Positive - Waite.
Negative - Gibbs has a question over his courage.
Interesting - Young being old
Il Naso De Gastev
5 May 2007, 19:18
How can people not understand why our forward line was so crowded. St Kilda kept pushing players behind the ball. What was Pagan supposed to do?? Let them play 2 blokes on their own in front of Fevola?? IMO he did the right thing to man them up and make them accountable.
Most negative thing about the game was our midfielders unwillingness to have a defensive side of their game. We were reasonable when running the ball forward, but when the saints had the ball we let them run riot. Dal Santo was best on ground by that far it wasn't funny.
Eddy Betts absolutely awful... that fumble at half back is what he does week in week out... the only difference is that it's in the forward line so it's not as glaring. Absolutely pissweak when there's any pressure at all. Costs us several goals each week. Needs to be stronger and not cough up the ball so easily.
Bronx Bomber
5 May 2007, 20:11
Disgraceful game on both Denis' behalf.
Forced Fev to compete 4-1 & 4-2.
How can you blame this on Denis!? It is not his fault that our midfielders keep kicking it to Fev and not to our free forwards who have no opponent due to there opposing player filling the space in front of Fev. I thought the penny would have dropped after the Geelong game - while Fev is good he can't beat 4 and for the life of me I can't work out the if the opposition has 4 players on Fev, where are our free players!!!
Also I think people are underrating the big loss of Fisher. He's the guy who can take a floating mark across a pack - the packs that Fev draws whenever he leads.
smooking39
5 May 2007, 20:18
Sounds like he showed leadership, was mature and kept his head together, which is what we should be asking of our 19 year old players to do.
Disagree he definatly shouldnt of hit him but he should have gotten up grabbed him shirt and said "you do it again and ill put sentanta onto u"
P = Jarrod Waite
M = contiously bombing long to Fev, though Walk's did a special play in which he marked it on the 50, held the ball up a bit, 5 players went on Fev, Cloke got free, and Walks speared it in his chest. Fev ran 50 metres to Walks to say good stuff, ie, not bombing to fev 5 out, only for Cloke to miss a sitter :(
M = centre-square work... can't remember us getting a clearance last night?
M = the umpires. suck.
I = why Lukey Blackwell started the last quarter on the bench when I thought he was one of the catalysts in our 5 goal comeback?