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DonMania#5
6 May 2007, 10:30
Kangaroos are in Scary good form :eek:
In: David Hille, Bachar Houli
Out: Mark Bolton, Ricky Dyson
retroparty
6 May 2007, 11:25
yeh. Do ay reckon gumbleton could come in? He's in great form at bendigo. Dunno about Lloyd. The papers said 2 weeks
yeh. Do ay reckon gumbleton could come in? He's in great form at bendigo. Dunno about Lloyd. The papers said 2 weeks
Why rush Gumbleton? Johns has proved a more than handy replacement and Gumbleton from most reports isn't anywhere near big enough yet. Young KPP take a while to come on look at Roughead still struggling because he was thrown in way to early.
As much as you guys are dissapointed about the weekend, I really still consider the bombers a bogey team. You need to hold your conistency and you will play finals, your forward line can do alot of damage.
Key Match up's:
McIntosh/Hale vs Laycock/Ryder/Hille? - Hale will be back in this week, is Hille back?
Edwards vs Mal Michael/Fletcher - This will be very interesting. Edwards has a big tank and is very quick on the lead, and has easily the best contested mark at the club. Took 10 contested marks in the 1st half against C.Bolton, was the key to beating the swans. Fletcher could really hurt the Roo's with his rebound off of Half Back.
Matt Campbell vs Alwyn Davey - May not play directly on each other, but if one is influecing the game more than another, they might just line up on each other. Campbell would be the quicker of the two, but Davey gets more of the ball up the ground.
Harris/Simpson/Wells vs Watson/Stanton/Johnson - Will decide the game in my opinion, who ever can get the cleanest ball into the forward line will win. Wells has been in ripping form, is the danger man of the game imo along with Lucas.
Gibson/Firrito/Petrie/Watt vs Lloyd/Lucas - The match up im most worried about, Firrito has been awesome in recent weeks on the likes of Hall, J.Brown, Mooney & Rocca. Will be his biggest test. All are very quick for the height, so should be able to stay with Lucas and Lloyd, but their talent might shine through.
Grant vs McPhee - Grant broke the game open against Syd with 4 goals and 10 marks, but Sewell proved he doesnt like close checking opponents, and McPhee isnt one of them, will sheedy match them up as this?
Angus Monfried vs Jesse Smith - May line up on each other, which should ve very exciting, two future stars of the comp
mcphee_is_a_gun
6 May 2007, 11:41
Campball quicker than Davey? Doubt it.
Anyways i'd wait for the VFL today. I'd be surprised if Lloyd played, Hille will come in i'd assume. Lonergan and Houli can really push there claims today with strong showings.
RED AND BLACK SOLDIER
6 May 2007, 11:43
I would be good if Gumbleton could come in, play at CHF and we play lucas at FF, try something different and see what the young feller has to offer in the future, but he's out with a hammy.
It wouldv'e been nice to see Hansen & Gumbleton go up against each other and see who's got the edge over the other at this stage of their careers!
oh well, maybe next time!
Will Lloyd be ready?
mcphee_is_a_gun
6 May 2007, 11:44
Gumbleton is injured, did his hammy.
We havent seen Bendigo yet but based on yesterdays game:
OUT:
M Johnson, Heffernan, Bolton,
IN:
Slattery, Lonergan, Houli,
mcphee_is_a_gun
6 May 2007, 11:50
Sheedy doesn't have the balls to drop MJ. I thought Bolton actually played ok.
We are going to have to play some of our best footy to beat the roos. They are in good form and if we dont hit our straps this week we could be in some trouble.
RED AND BLACK SOLDIER
6 May 2007, 11:56
As much as you guys are dissapointed about the weekend, I really still consider the bombers a bogey team. You need to hold your conistency and you will play finals, your forward line can do alot of damage.
Key Match up's:
McIntosh/Hale vs Laycock/Ryder/Hille? - Hale will be back in this week, is Hille back?
Edwards vs Mal Michael/Fletcher - This will be very interesting. Edwards has a big tank and is very quick on the lead, and has easily the best contested mark at the club. Took 10 contested marks in the 1st half against C.Bolton, was the key to beating the swans. Fletcher could really hurt the Roo's with his rebound off of Half Back.
Matt Campbell vs Alwyn Davey - May not play directly on each other, but if one is influecing the game more than another, they might just line up on each other. Campbell would be the quicker of the two, but Davey gets more of the ball up the ground.
Harris/Simpson/Wells vs Watson/Stanton/Johnson - Will decide the game in my opinion, who ever can get the cleanest ball into the forward line will win. Wells has been in ripping form, is the danger man of the game imo along with Lucas.
Gibson/Firrito/Petrie/Watt vs Lloyd/Lucas - The match up im most worried about, Firrito has been awesome in recent weeks on the likes of Hall, J.Brown, Mooney & Rocca. Will be his biggest test. All are very quick for the height, so should be able to stay with Lucas and Lloyd, but their talent might shine through.
Grant vs McPhee - Grant broke the game open against Syd with 4 goals and 10 marks, but Sewell proved he doesnt like close checking opponents, and McPhee isnt one of them, will sheedy match them up as this?
Angus Monfried vs Jesse Smith - May line up on each other, which should ve very exciting, two future stars of the comp
-Davey would be the quicker of the 2, he's lightning fast, not even cambell could catch him.
-As for the midfield battle, Winderlich on Wells, JJ on Harris and Stanton on Simpson.
-McVeigh will get the job on Grant i think, McPhee will play as a running half abck and cut off anything/everything around half back (hopefully).
micky_11
6 May 2007, 11:57
Campball quicker than Davey? Doubt it.
Anyways i'd wait for the VFL today. I'd be surprised if Lloyd played, Hille will come in i'd assume. Lonergan and Houli can really push there claims today with strong showings.
When they were both playing sanfl last year, everyone said campbell was the quickest player in the league
Lloyd will miss atleast this week as well going by Sheedys latest statement.
Given that I would bring in Hille and Campo for Dyson and MJ
In: Hille, NLM, Houli, Lonergan
Out: Dyson, M Johnson, Laycock, Bolton
Campball quicker than Davey? Doubt it.
Youll see mate. Youll see.
donsman4eva
6 May 2007, 14:37
Out: Heffernan, Laycock, Monfries
In: Hille, NLM, Lonergan (or Lloyd if he is 100%)
NimChief
6 May 2007, 15:16
Campball quicker than Davey? Doubt it.
haha
Campbell was the only player in the SANFL who could run down Davey last year.
What does that say?
donsman4eva
6 May 2007, 15:29
Who cares who is quicker, they wont be close enough to each other to make a comparison anyway!
Dr Moose
6 May 2007, 15:33
Matt Campbell vs Alwyn Davey - May not play directly on each other, but if one is influecing the game more than another, they might just line up on each other. Campbell would be the quicker of the two, but Davey gets more of the ball up the ground.
Harris/Simpson/Wells vs Watson/Stanton/Johnson - Will decide the game in my opinion, who ever can get the cleanest ball into the forward line will win. Wells has been in ripping form, is the danger man of the game imo along with Lucas.
Gibson/Firrito/Petrie/Watt vs Lloyd/Lucas -
Grant vs McPhee - Grant broke the game open against Syd with 4 goals and 10 marks, but Sewell proved he doesnt like close checking opponents, and McPhee isnt one of them, will sheedy match them up as this?
Angus Monfried vs Jesse Smith -
God the reality of this terrifies me! And I'd lean towards mcVeigh on Grant, he'll need to ause all of his experience here.
No way we can think about leaving Angus out this week. Dyson, sure. Watson, perhaps, but this is really when I'd love to see Davey, stants and JJ start getting some chemistry going on. Quick centre breaks to good HFFs and wings are everything this week - if we can't keep up we're 8 goals down by half time
donsman4eva
6 May 2007, 15:34
Monfires has been nothing short of poor this year. While Watson has been gathering possesions and getting a couple of clangers, Monfires hasnt been getting any possesions or kicking any goals. I dont see the value of him i nthe side in his current form.
kelvin_sheedy
6 May 2007, 16:36
Out: Heffernan, Laycock, Monfries
In: Hille, NLM, Lonergan (or Lloyd if he is 100%)
So you want Bolton and Dyson to hold their spots in the side :confused:
kelvin_sheedy
6 May 2007, 16:45
Depending on what happens at VFL level today but I see this happening:
Out : Bolton, Dyson, Laycock, Heffernan
In : Hille, Campo, Houli, Lonergan
Presuming Lloyd will miss again and NLM won't be ready.
MJ very lucky to hold his spot.
haha
Campbell was the only player in the SANFL who could run down Davey last year.
What does that say?
It says there is always someone quicker.
FWIW alwyn isnt even the fastest bomber, that title belongs to a bloke who is out injured at the minute in Courtenay Dempsey. i can't wait to see him in the side with Davey, Lovett and a fully fit jetta.
Depending on what happens at VFL level today but I see this happening:
Out : Bolton, Dyson, Laycock, Heffernan
In : Hille, Campo, Houli, Lonergan
Presuming Lloyd will miss again and NLM won't be ready.
MJ very lucky to hold his spot.
lonergan, campo, Pev, Watson, Hird and JJ in the one side rotating through the middle? that would unbalance us even further.
Longy413
6 May 2007, 17:12
Dyson isn't up to it, cut our losses and put development into Lonergan. At least we know he'll have a dip. Let's have a look at Houli.
IN - Lonergan, Hille, Houli
OUT - Dyson, Monfries, Heffernan
Bolton isn't in our best side, but he is earning his spot at the minute.
kelvin_sheedy
6 May 2007, 17:35
lonergan, campo, Pev, Watson, Hird and JJ in the one side rotating through the middle? that would unbalance us even further.
There's an interchange bench to cover for that.
They effectively replace Dyson and Heffernan so I don't see any real loss there only upside.
There's an interchange bench to cover for that.
They effectively replace Dyson and Heffernan so I don't see any real loss there only upside.
I just had a look at our injury list and to be honest there isnt much else we can pick. It's a shame Dempsey and nash are injured.
go_the_bombers
6 May 2007, 18:28
I just had a look at our injury list and to be honest there isnt much else we can pick. It's a shame Dempsey and nash are injured.
You not wrong about Dempsey & Nash
I just hope Houli and Lonergan get a game against the Kangaroos!
I thought Bolton actually played ok.
Geez, those 6 possessions he racked up must have been awesome!
In: Hille, NLM ( Fit?), Houli
Out: Bolton, Dyson, Heffernan
without a doubt
In: Houli, Lonergan, Hille
Out:Bolton, Watson and Heffernan
I think NLM needs a game in the vfl and Lloyd will probably be another week away
In: Hille, Lonergan, Houli, NLM
Out: Bolton, Dyson, Heffernan, M.Johnson
mcphee_is_a_gun
6 May 2007, 19:52
Its not all about possessions, esspecially when playing a defensive role.
Campo didnt play for Bendigo today so i doubt if he will be selected.
Lonergan and Houli in this week. Heff and one of Dyson or Watson out.
Hille to play if ready which it looked like he would be on friday. Take your pick on Bolts or Laycock to go out depending on what backline structure we want in regard to Ryder.
MJ under pressure as well as North have some very quick small forwards so unless he plays forward there may be no match up.
Campo didnt play for Bendigo today so i doubt if he will be selected.
Lonergan and Houli in this week. Heff and one of Dyson or Watson out.
Hille to play if ready which it looked like he would be on friday. Take your pick on Bolts or Laycock to go out depending on what backline structure we want in regard to Ryder.
MJ under pressure as well as North have some very quick small forwards so unless he plays forward there may be no match up.
Defs would have Bolton out and keep Laycock just for the mere fact to keep Ryder playing down at chb. I'd really like to see Ryder develop more as a chb rather than a ruckman. To me its a waste playing Bolton because :
1 i dont see him in our best 22 and
2 by playing him younger player development suffers (i.e Ryder and Laycock)
Houli Class1
6 May 2007, 20:51
I think that the bombers need players like nash or cole that can run out of the backline and hit a target at centre half forward. then have someone like campo that hits a target regularly. We need more skillful players.
In: Lonergan Houli Campo Hille Cole
Out: Bolton Heffernan Dyson MJ Watson
I think MJ needs to get his form back in the 2s, just like he did to JJ and JJ is comin bak strong
kelvin_sheedy
6 May 2007, 21:05
After todays VFL game where Campo didn't play and Cole had a decent game I'm willing to give Cole a game. We need more dash from defence so lets see if he can come good.
Out : Bolton, Dyson, Laycock, Heffernan
In : Hille, Cole, Houli, Lonergan
Astute Observer
6 May 2007, 21:18
On: Hille, Houli, Lonergan
Out: MJ, Dyson, Monfries
mathew ollaik
6 May 2007, 21:38
Out: Laycock, Bolton, Dyson,
In: Hille, Lonergen, Houli,
Sheedy doesn't have the balls to drop MJ. I thought Bolton actually played ok.
I don't know about the first statement, but totally agree about Bolton. Thought it was a really good game from him.
donsman4eva
6 May 2007, 21:43
So you want Bolton and Dyson to hold their spots in the side :confused:
Correct. Ryder has shown he can be a second ruckman, so there is no need for Laycock to be in. Heff had a poor game and we just cant have a team with JJ, Pev, Watson and Heff; far too slow. Monfries needs a reality check. He shouldnt be getting picked on potential, he should be picked on merit. His form so far this season doesnt warrant inclusion, so lets drop him for a week or 2, give him a run in the Bendigo midfield and see how he goes.
As for Dyson, well you know my stance on him. Bolton played well enough and would be an ideal matchup for someone like Leigh Brown or Aaron Edwards.
mathew ollaik
6 May 2007, 21:43
I don't know about the first statement, but totally agree about Bolton. Thought it was a really good game from him.
Bolton should not be in the best 22. There are people like Judd, Kerr, Goods, west and so on, playing this sport. He done alright for his standards, which is no where near the AFL satndard. Plus wouldn't you rather want houli or lonerggen in the team?
We got murdered once again in the guts. Watson is fine for all those great little handpasses..but try to get the f---g ball in centre bounces Jobe and kick the thing.
We have big,big problems around the rucks. Laycock just can't win a clear tap to a rover...he's killing me!!!
Towards the end,Sheedy just gave up with Dyson,Watson and Stanton at the centre bounce and had MJ,Hef and Hird in...it still didn't help:o
OUT: Dyson (never again,I've had it with him) Bolton,Watson
IN: Houli,Hille,Lonegan
Can someone explain what exactly Sheedy wants Heffernan to do in games?
Is he doing what he's supposed to be doing..like tagging...I can't work out wtf he does all day.
Johnno will be right.....calls for him to be dropped are silly.
I wish they would follow my suggestion and leave him around the goals..all day.
McPhee lost us that game btw.
donsman4eva
6 May 2007, 22:37
No, Buddy won it for them.
RED AND BLACK SOLDIER
6 May 2007, 22:56
We got murdered once again in the guts. Watson is fine for all those great little handpasses..but try to get the f---g ball in centre bounces Jobe and kick the thing.
We have big,big problems around the rucks. Laycock just can't win a clear tap to a rover...he's killing me!!!
Towards the end,Sheedy just gave up with Dyson,Watson and Stanton at the centre bounce and had MJ,Hef and Hird in...it still didn't help:o
OUT: Dyson (never again,I've had it with him) Bolton,Watson
IN: Houli,Hille,Lonegan
Can someone explain what exactly Sheedy wants Heffernan to do in games?
Is he doing what he's supposed to be doing..like tagging...I can't work out wtf he does all day.
Johnno will be right.....calls for him to be dropped are silly.
I wish they would follow my suggestion and leave him around the goals..all day.
McPhee lost us that game btw.
Did McPhee choose to play on him, no. Sheedy did, he's the one who left McPhee as a KPP on buddy and didn't use him as a running half back. It's not all McPhee's fault, it's Sheedy's!
Your right about MJ, ive been wanting him to play forward for ages, it's the only place on the ground that he'll be able to have an effect on the game IMO. It'd be great watching him taking hangers in the square and kicking a few goals a every game.
My ins and outs are similar except for a few:
Ins: Houli, Lonergan, Hille
Outs: Laycock (needs to get match fit and dominate a few games at VFL level), Bolton, Watson.
Give Dyson one more week, and if we don't see a good game from him, back to the VFL for the rest of the year.
We got murdered once again in the guts. Watson is fine for all those great little handpasses..but try to get the f---g ball in centre bounces Jobe and kick the thing.
We have big,big problems around the rucks. Laycock just can't win a clear tap to a rover...he's killing me!!!
Towards the end,Sheedy just gave up with Dyson,Watson and Stanton at the centre bounce and had MJ,Hef and Hird in...it still didn't help:o
OUT: Dyson (never again,I've had it with him) Bolton,Watson
IN: Houli,Hille,Lonegan
Can someone explain what exactly Sheedy wants Heffernan to do in games?
Is he doing what he's supposed to be doing..like tagging...I can't work out wtf he does all day.
Johnno will be right.....calls for him to be dropped are silly.
I wish they would follow my suggestion and leave him around the goals..all day.
McPhee lost us that game btw.
He does get the ball in the centre bounces. He had 8 contested possesions and 7 clearances.
kelvin_sheedy
6 May 2007, 23:11
Correct. Ryder has shown he can be a second ruckman, so there is no need for Laycock to be in. Heff had a poor game and we just cant have a team with JJ, Pev, Watson and Heff; far too slow. Monfries needs a reality check. He shouldnt be getting picked on potential, he should be picked on merit. His form so far this season doesnt warrant inclusion, so lets drop him for a week or 2, give him a run in the Bendigo midfield and see how he goes.
As for Dyson, well you know my stance on him. Bolton played well enough and would be an ideal matchup for someone like Leigh Brown or Aaron Edwards.
That's complete madness.
We have a defensive unit of Mal, Fletch, Ryder, Mcphee, Mcveigh and others. We do not need Bolton down there. We need players that will provide run, a bit of grunt and some polish. Apart from running into wrong positions Bolton can't do anything. I'd rather chance my luck with a Richie Cole than a Bolton.
Angus has shown he can play at this level. He hasn't been great this year but has been much better than Dyson. Why drop someone who can play and give another chance to someone that can't?
donsman4eva
6 May 2007, 23:26
That's complete madness.
We have a defensive unit of Mal, Fletch, Ryder, Mcphee, Mcveigh and others. We do not need Bolton down there. We need players that will provide run, a bit of grunt and some polish. Apart from running into wrong positions Bolton can't do anything. I'd rather chance my luck with a Richie Cole than a Bolton.
Angus has shown he can play at this level. He hasn't been great this year but has been much better than Dyson. Why drop someone who can play and give another chance to someone that can't?
Well as ive said, I thnk Dyson will be a good player if Sheedy actually gives him game time. He is one of our best at F50 entries, as he showed yesterday by hitting Johns lace out twice.
Angus hasn't played as well as Dyson this year IMO, since Dyson has been in the team. Their stats are about on a par and seeing as though Gus has been given more game time, he just hasnt shown enough. In fact, Monfries has had 53 possesions since round 3, Dyson has had 52 with far less game time. Fact is everyone is knocking Dyson when he is actually doing quite well for the time he spends on the park.
And as for Bolton, I agree now that he should probably be dropped for Cole after Cole's performance today, but when I posted my last opinion, I hadnt read the Bendigo write up so I didnt know Cole had played well. That was my bad.
mcphee_is_a_gun
6 May 2007, 23:27
Just listened to Bomber Radio...
* Nash to be given the formal ok this week. Will be monitored closely.
* NLM most likely to resume with Bendigo.
* Cole very good today and will come into consideration to play as will Bradley, Lonergan and Houli.
* Gumbleton's hammy is a 3-4 week injury unfortunatelly as he'd be a chance with Lloydy out.
* Hislop probably would've gotten a game soon if not for being suspended.
* Garry O' noted Winders only had 3 kicks from his 18 possies, wants him to be kicking it more. Put his average game down to missing a few. Quinn will monitor Winders and Welsh for the first 2 weeks as with any hammy as that is when they are most likely to re-do them.
*Mcveigh wasn't pleased when someone mentioned that we might'nt be good enough for finals footy saying that they had worked there asses off to have a good year. And that the players would be very disapointed if they didn't make it.
He does get the ball in the centre bounces. He had 8 contested possesions and 7 clearances.
Stats that mean nothing because he did little else with his kicks and running after his opponents.
Did McPhee choose to play on him, no. Sheedy did, he's the one who left McPhee as a KPP on buddy and didn't use him as a running half back. It's not all McPhee's fault, it's Sheedy's!
Its F----g McPhee's fault for not doing his job ffs!!. He is supposed to spoil and not let the star hal forward get the bloody ball.
He was way behind some of franklin's leads. P--s poor effort imo.
Your right about MJ, ive been wanting him to play forward for ages, it's the only place on the ground that he'll be able to have an effect on the game IMO. It'd be great watching him taking hangers in the square and kicking a few goals a every game.
My ins and outs are similar except for a few:
Ins: Houli, Lonergan, Hille
Outs: Laycock (needs to get match fit and dominate a few games at VFL level), Bolton, Watson.
Give Dyson one more week, and if we don't see a good game from him, back to the VFL for the rest of the year.[/QUOTE]
You mean LIFE don't you?
[QUOTE=donsman4eva;7454183]No, Buddy won it for them.
No,McPhee let him win it for them.
donsman4eva
6 May 2007, 23:45
No one could have stopped Buddy in the form he was in. He kicked 4 goals on Fletcher FFS. You are just going to have to realies that Buddy played an awesome game and no one could have stopped him. He kicked 4 or 5 goals from general play. He was too good.
jnash196
6 May 2007, 23:47
If Lloyd is fit I wouldn't mind seeing him play CHF and Lucas in the goalsquare as Lucas has been beaten by quicker players on the lead the last 2 weeks and if he just stays in the goalsquare he would beat Firrito/whoever. If Lloyd isn't fit, I wouldn't mind seeing Fletcher go to CHF for reasons I just stated
And Nashy to play if fit
Stats that mean nothing because he did little else with his kicks and running after his opponents.
So you are saying winning the ball 8 times where the opposition would have got it overwise means nothing and btw his tackling pressure was good in the packs (3 tackles).
RED AND BLACK SOLDIER
7 May 2007, 00:08
I would like to see something different tried, therefore the line would look like this:
B: Heff Michael Welsh
Ryder (loose)
HB: McPhee Fletcher Cole
C: Lovett J.Johnson Stanton
HF: Davey Lucas Monfries
F: MJ Johns
FOLL: Hille Winda McVeigh
INT: Houli, Pev/Watson, Dyson, Hird
-Id like to see Cole come into the side and provide some drive off half back, and we could have Ryder loose around Half Back and chop everything off with McPhee (Paddy does that well).
-Leave the forward line open, for Johns to lead into, with MJ in the goal square taking a few hangers.
-Houli to come into the side, had an awesome game, and we needs his skill and pace in the team.
-McVeigh needs to stay in the midfield, when he is in the midfield, he's able to dominate games and is in our top 3 midfielder when he plays there.
We need his skill, hardness, pace and attack/defence on the ball.
If he played onball for the whole year, im pretty sure he'd win our B&F.
-Pev, JJ, Hird and Watson are all a similar type when they play in the midfield, and we don't need 4 of the same type in the team, so we need to drop one of them (It'd probably be Jobe).
-We wont need Welsh at HFF because the kanga's havn't really got a damaging running half back, so we should just stick him down back to create a bit more run.
The only thing im not sure of about this team is Heff in the BP and Johns at FF, more so Heff, but i think our midfield looks pretty good. What do you guys think about the team?
RED AND BLACK SOLDIER
7 May 2007, 00:19
Its F----g McPhee's fault for not doing his job ffs!!. He is supposed to spoil and not let the star hal forward get the bloody ball.
He was way behind some of franklin's leads. P--s poor effort imo.
It was partly McPhee's fault, but Franklin is about as tall as Fletcher and quick as, no wonder he outmarked McPhee! If McPhee wasn't up to the task (which he clearly wasn't), Sheedy shouldv'e moved McPhee off him or double teamed him or even put a bit of a flood on. Therefore it's mostly Sheedy's fault.
I would like to see something different tried, therefore the line would look like this:
B: Heff Michael Welsh
Ryder (loose)
HB: McPhee Fletcher Cole
C: Lovett J.Johnson Stanton
HF: Davey Lucas Monfries
F: MJ Johns
FOLL: Hille Winda McVeigh
INT: Houli, Pev/Watson, Dyson, Hird
-Id like to see Cole come into the side and provide some drive off half back, and we could have Ryder loose around Half Back and chop everything off with McPhee (Paddy does that well).
-Leave the forward line open, for Johns to lead into, with MJ in the goal square taking a few hangers.
-Houli to come into the side, had an awesome game, and we needs his skill and pace in the team.
-McVeigh needs to stay in the midfield, when he is in the midfield, he's able to dominate games and is in our top 3 midfielder when he plays there.
We need his skill, hardness, pace and attack/defence on the ball.
If he played onball for the whole year, im pretty sure he'd win our B&F.
-Pev, JJ, Hird and Watson are all a similar type when they play in the midfield, and we don't need 4 of the same type in the team, so we need to drop one of them (It'd probably be Jobe).
-We wont need Welsh at HFF because the kanga's havn't really got a damaging running half back, so we should just stick him down back to create a bit more run.
The only thing im not sure of about this team is Heff in the BP and Johns at FF, more so Heff, but i think our midfield looks pretty good. What do you guys think about the team?
We do as of last week, played his first game back from injury in 18 months.
So you are saying winning the ball 8 times where the opposition would have got it overwise means nothing and btw his tackling pressure was good in the packs (3 tackles).
Ahhh..three tackles for Jobe,glad you brought that up.
Lets have a look at our developing midfield and see how it compares to say...the best team in the comp atm...probably the Eagles hey?
Ok. Here we have some WC's stats for their prime movers in the middle and the ones who are running off HB. I like to look at Inside 50s because thats what goals are made of...lets face it.
Inside 50s WCE
Judd 6
Jones 4
Priddis 5
Braun 4
Lynch 11
Rosa 6
Cox 5
Stenglein 3
Kerr 3
Us
Pev 2
Lucas 2
Monfries 2
JJ 2
Hird 2
Watson 2
Dyson 3
Stanton 5
Lovett 5
McVeigh 4
Welsh 6
and Winderlich 0...with 94 mins on the ground:o ..Welsh had 95.
Welsh had a good game:thumbsu:
Our bigmen...
Laycock 2
Ryder 1
:o
Bit of a way to go if we are going to rise to the top of the tree.
We are simply not winning the ball enough and players like the slanted ones above,are not getting the ball into our "attacking 50" with any real success.
Other annoying stats include...
EFC hitouts...26
HFC.......44:thumbsu: :(
Getting killed...will Hille provide the answer and get back to some real form?
Tackles is another fave....we had 46 and WC had 44 vs WB,but look at the players who tackled the most at WC compared to us.
WCE players top tackles against WB.
Judd 6
Stenglein 4
Chick 3
Selwood 5
Hunter 4
Waters 3
All six will hurt you in a tackle and do it every week.
Do we have 7 great tacklers atm?
And here's some names that didn't tackle so much on Saturday...
Davey 1
JJ 1
Hird 2
McVeigh 2
MJ 1
Monfries 1
Dyson 0
Lovett 0
Hey,I'm not saying the team is completely crap,I'm just trying to get a few people out of fairy land who are wrapped up in a "lets look at the bright side" way of viewing our current form.
To sum up.....
Dyson is not an option any more.
Watson better start kicking directly to his target and start doing more than just 22 handpasses a game.....love the handpasses,but more is needed.
Winderlich will need time...if Collingwood could wait for Reese Shaw,we can wait for Jason:)
Someone better teach Laycock how to ruck...quickly.
Bolton has to be used as a "Break Open Only In Emergency" option.
Johnno should play forward around the 50 arc.....Welsh as well.
Paddy should be left at HB...McPhee,just get over Buddy and find some god damn form.
Houli should be brought in for Heffernan....sorry Heff.
Lovett...kick more goals...run harder,try to tackle more.
RED AND BLACK SOLDIER
7 May 2007, 09:45
We do as of last week, played his first game back from injury in 18 months.
Not damaging enough that he needs to be tagged, he had about 16 disposals last week didnt he?
Not damaging enough that he needs to be tagged, he had about 16 disposals last week didnt he?
Played 65% TOG. 16 disposals - all hitting their target. Not a bad return for someone coming back after 18 monhs out of the game.
A class above most blokes running around in the AFL, and he's only played 7 games. He's top shelf as far as footballers go - plus he's quick and has grown (6'3").
When he get's his fitness levels up and able to play a full game, he'll be the 1st player tagged on our list.
Played 65% TOG. 16 disposals - all hitting their target. Not a bad return for someone coming back after 18 monhs out of the game.
A class above most blokes running around in the AFL, and he's only played 7 games. He's top shelf as far as footballers go - plus he's quick and has grown (6'3").
When he get's his fitness levels up and able to play a full game, he'll be the 1st player tagged on our list.
Agree with that, in the coming years will be alot more dangerous than Wells.
RED AND BLACK SOLDIER
7 May 2007, 15:24
Played 65% TOG. 16 disposals - all hitting their target. Not a bad return for someone coming back after 18 monhs out of the game.
A class above most blokes running around in the AFL, and he's only played 7 games. He's top shelf as far as footballers go - plus he's quick and has grown (6'3").
When he get's his fitness levels up and able to play a full game, he'll be the 1st player tagged on our list.
I think you'll find it was 76% TOG. He will be a great player, let me assure you that, but there will be no need to tag him on Friday night.
I think you'll find it was 76% TOG. He will be a great player, let me assure you that, but there will be no need to tag him on Friday night.
Which i also agree with, i thought you were talking about our lack of HBF's, not talking about potential tags.
If i were Sheedy I would be looking at #1 Wells, #2 Harvey, #3 Grant, #4 Simpson, in order of priority.
donsman4eva
7 May 2007, 15:26
Who are you talking about? If it is Jesse Smith, which I think it is, then i think you are seriously overestimatng him Spitz!
Bombs Away
7 May 2007, 16:38
In: Hille, NLM, Houli, Lonergan
Out: Dyson, M Johnson, Laycock, Bolton
Would love to see this and Lloyd if he is fit, one of them wont come up though. Love the outs here, sends a message to experienced players that no one is safe
wakeboardandy
7 May 2007, 19:21
Who are you talking about? If it is Jesse Smith, which I think it is, then i think you are seriously overestimatng him Spitz!
Don't make the mistake of underestimating him...
If it wasn't for father and son he may have gone no #1 draft pick in 2004... Definetly top 3.
Hands Open
7 May 2007, 19:23
In: Houli
Out: Don't care:p
Lloyd definitely out for this week as well.
Out: MJ, Bolton
In: Hille, Houli
Why rush Gumbleton? Johns has proved a more than handy replacement and Gumbleton from most reports isn't anywhere near big enough yet. Young KPP take a while to come on look at Roughead still struggling because he was thrown in way to early.
I disagree, Johns is good in front of gols but lacks second and third efforts, and that is a major attribute to not have in AFL footy, give gumby a game, what harm could it do, i have heard massive wraps on this kid!
donsman4eva
7 May 2007, 21:19
Well Gumby is our for at least 1 month so dont get your hopes up
Longy413
7 May 2007, 22:09
give gumby a game, what harm could it do, i have heard massive wraps on this kid!
A lot of harm I'd imagine, given the kid can't run.
Johns' work rate is improving by the week. He kicked two goals, missed two he should have kicked and setup three.
His attack on the ball was much better and his intent to break packs is something we haven't had since Dean Wallis left us.
In the long run, Johns will hopefully come good, in the interim....with Lucas being held and Lloyd being injured....the team dont appear to have complete faith in Johns...hence trying to chip the ball sideways and splitting the centre corridor. Thats the view from my perspective anyways. I wouldnt expect Johns to make any significant impact until 09 at least. Any earlier and Id be surprised.
In the long run, Johns will hopefully come good, in the interim....with Lucas being held and Lloyd being injured....the team dont appear to have complete faith in Johns...hence trying to chip the ball sideways and splitting the centre corridor. Thats the view from my perspective anyways. I wouldnt expect Johns to make any significant impact until 09 at least. Any earlier and Id be surprised.
Or they didnt think they could find space through the 3 man zone the Hawks set up on our CHF line and had to go sideways becasue there where no options....
Astute Observer
7 May 2007, 22:34
Thats what happens Ant when we start the chip around at half back before we find a target down field (lets give as much time for the opposition to set up their zone/flood. Maybe if we are going to model our game on Sydney we should watch how they set up through the middle, pull all there players into the corridor and peel off to the wings. We just decide to all spread out accross the ground causin our own "flood" and giving oirselves nowhere to lead into...!!
donsman4eva
7 May 2007, 22:40
Given What we kno about Lloyd, here is what I expect to happen
OUT:Bolton, Laycock, Heffernan
IN: Houli, Hille, NLM(if fit) otherwise Lonergan.
Thats what happens Ant when we start the chip around at half back before we find a target down field (lets give as much time for the opposition to set up their zone/flood. Maybe if we are going to model our game on Sydney we should watch how they set up through the middle, pull all there players into the corridor and peel off to the wings. We just decide to all spread out accross the ground causin our own "flood" and giving oirselves nowhere to lead into...!!
Actually cant agree , have seen the Hawks three times live this year and they set up the zone when the ball is in their forward 50 before it comes back out. They work extremly hard to push back to set it up. The way to beat it is to do what the Bulldogs do/did to the Hawks. Have several players running hard through the zones or down the lines and force them to try and man up and secondly use the ball well. Have your one or two tall forwards in the goal square and if your half forwards, mids and half backs work hard enough you find space somewhere to run up and go over the zone or to force it backwards so players can lead from outside 50 into the area about 40 out.
High Ryder
7 May 2007, 23:01
I rekon we'll be rather conservative and only make 1 possibly 2 changes.
IN Hille, Houli
OUT Bolton, Heffernan
Given What we kno about Lloyd, here is what I expect to happen
OUT:Bolton, Laycock, Heffernan
IN: Houli, Hille, NLM(if fit) otherwise Lonergan.
Natrat will be playing in the VFL when he gets back. Has missed too much footy now to come staright in.
Hille would probably be 70/30 to play this week.
If MJ play he will have to be our small forward. Cant really see a math up for him in defence as North are too quick for him in that area.
High Ryder
7 May 2007, 23:07
If MJ play he will have to be our small forward. Cant really see a math up for him in defence as North are too quick for him in that area.
Don't know why he isn't already playing that role. He could be very effective for us in a similar role to what Chris Johnson does for Brisbane. People on this forum get too critical of players too soon.
If MJ play he will have to be our small forward. Cant really see a math up for him in defence as North are too quick for him in that area.
Id like to think he could match it with Grant who I dont regard as overly quick.
bring it on
7 May 2007, 23:18
after a big loss to hawks and now we are goin a lil bit off course we need a thew changes...
considering hille and lovett-murray arent still injured
i say
in: hille, lovett-murray, houli, lonergan, lloyd
out: bolton, watson. dyson, heffernan and ?????
after a big loss to hawks and now we are goin a lil bit off course we need a thew changes...
considering hille and lovett-murray arent still injured
i say
in: hille, lovett-murray, houli, lonergan, lloyd
out: bolton, watson. dyson, heffernan and ?????
If you're looking for someone, Laycock
High Ryder
7 May 2007, 23:22
after a big loss to hawks and now we are goin a lil bit off course we need a thew changes...
considering hille and lovett-murray arent still injured
i say
in: hille, lovett-murray, houli, lonergan, lloyd
out: bolton, watson. dyson, heffernan and ?????
Its rediculous to even suggest this, never going to happen. We lost but you dont upset team balance by changing nearly a quarter of the team.
Actually cant agree , have seen the Hawks three times live this year and they set up the zone when the ball is in their forward 50 before it comes back out. They work extremly hard to push back to set it up. The way to beat it is to do what the Bulldogs do/did to the Hawks. Have several players running hard through the zones or down the lines and force them to try and man up and secondly use the ball well. Have your one or two tall forwards in the goal square and if your half forwards, mids and half backs work hard enough you find space somewhere to run up and go over the zone or to force it backwards so players can lead from outside 50 into the area about 40 out.
The key against the hawks is above (highlighted).
Edwards vs Mal Michael/Fletcher - This will be very interesting. Edwards has a big tank and is very quick on the lead, and has easily the best contested mark at the club. Took 10 contested marks in the 1st half against C.Bolton, was the key to beating the swans. Fletcher could really hurt the Roo's with his rebound off of Half Back.
I doubt either of those guys will get Edwards as they will go to the bigger forwards Petrie and Leigh Brown.
Would love to see Davey and Campbell match up and see who is fastest. Won't happen as they both will play forward pocket. Campbell would just about match Davey for pace I reckon - he is very quick. Campbell's defensive pressure is excellent and is an terrific snap off both feet.
The one to watch for you guys is Jesse Smith. Only played his first game for two years against the Swans, but he was sensational in the last quarter when the pressure was on.
Is Lloyd in or out?
Should be a good game Friday night, looking forward to it.
Can people in here ffs stop putting Lovett-Murray in their side because he aint playing seniors this week against the roos.
He has not played any competitive match in 6 weeks and is in the modified training group at training, he will not play this week.
i dont think the heff should be left out... watson should be sent back to the 2's - i know he gets it but his disposal is just not good enough.. let him go back and hopefully build some confidence... i think MJ may benefit from the same also.. its obvious Houli is sticking his hand up, hopefully they can reward his hard work with a taste of the big time.
I doubt either of those guys will get Edwards as they will go to the bigger forwards Petrie and Leigh Brown.
Would love to see Davey and Campbell match up and see who is fastest. Won't happen as they both will play forward pocket. Campbell would just about match Davey for pace I reckon - he is very quick. Campbell's defensive pressure is excellent and is an terrific snap off both feet.
The one to watch for you guys is Jesse Smith. Only played his first game for two years against the Swans, but he was sensational in the last quarter when the pressure was on.
Is Lloyd in or out?
Should be a good game Friday night, looking forward to it.
At this stage Lloyd looks to be out.
At this stage Lloyd looks to be out.
Antrobus, if he's done the hammy, can you suggest to Doc Reid that he protect Lloyd and keep him out until the Richmond game.
Antrobus, if he's done the hammy, can you suggest to Doc Reid that he protect Lloyd and keep him out until the Richmond game.
Well im yet to be convinced it is a hammy ;) Some ducks and drakes going on here.....
I just hope the Tigers win a game before they get to us otherwise we will no doubt do them the favour giving them their first win :(
In: Lonergan Houli Hille
Out: Bolton Heffernan Dyson
My Team Against Roos
FB: Ryder Michael Welsh
HB: McPhee Fletcher McVeigh
C: Winderlich J.Johnson Peverill
HF: Davey Bradley Watson
FF: Hird Lucas N.Lovett-Murray
R: Hille, Stanton and Lovett
Inter: Bolton, Houli, Dyson and Laycock
Emery: Monfries, M.Johnson and Longeran
IN: Hille, Houli(d), N.Lovett-Murray and Bradley
Out: M.Johnson, Monfries, Johns and Heffernan
flying dutchman
9 May 2007, 16:30
In: Lonergan Houli Hille
Out: Bolton Heffernan Dyson
bolts and heff need to be put out to the paddock and never return. Dyson needs to show something otherwise i would delist him.
giantroo
9 May 2007, 20:28
Campball quicker than Davey? Doubt it.
Anyways i'd wait for the VFL today. I'd be surprised if Lloyd played, Hille will come in i'd assume. Lonergan and Houli can really push there claims today with strong showings.
Dont believe it? Should have watched it last year. Quicker than both davey boys
giantroo
9 May 2007, 20:29
I can confirm that heffernan is out and Houli in.
I can confirm that heffernan is out and Houli in.
been watching the news :D
hope watson has a rest.. dyson can stay ive got a feeling.. he worked hard last week and he could be a spark for us
bOmBeR_BoY1
9 May 2007, 23:31
Whatever happens... if Bradley gets a game, we lose - seriously. He just dosn't seem up too it at the top level - pretty dissapointing. His decision making and then his disposal is just shocking. I know I'm being a tight ar*e suggesting if one player gets a game (and probably last thing the poor kid needs reading this sort of stuff on a supporters forum) we lose the game... but yeah, I think he gives us nothing...
On the positive side of things, Hille is a certainty to play on Friday Night after training strongly today.
Astute Observer
9 May 2007, 23:37
....and Sheeds "reckons" that he could make up to 5 changes!!!!!!
danzan22
9 May 2007, 23:43
Very excited about the possibility of houli playing, i think a bit of wee just came out. :o