View Full Version : Who should get the no.14 jumper?
bloodsbigot
10 May 2007, 03:10
I know it won't happen, but if you could, who do you think is most deserving of the iconic no.14 jumper in the current swans team?
oldman -pop
10 May 2007, 03:52
I know it won't happen, but if you could, who do you think is most deserving of the iconic no.14 jumper in the current swans team?
There are many players over the years but maybe give it to the best draft choice your to the one of skilts choice ?
And dont forget one Peter Bedford( Wheels)
There are many players over the years but maybe give it to the best draft choice your to the one of skilts choice ?
Translation?
oldman -pop
10 May 2007, 04:10
Translation?
Well skilts should have a say in making the choice
I'd prefer that the number just reappears on a regular top 22 player without any fuss. I don't really want us to go down the road of basketball where they retire numbers. Plugger's number went staight onto Benny's back. Willo's went straight onto Spida's. But we've probably left it a little too long, and now the No. 14 could end up being a millstone around a player's neck.
But for the sake or argument there would be a nice synergy if the number 14 went to another NSW boy.
natlovestheswans
10 May 2007, 10:09
I say Auskick or Inspo.. they are both in the need of a smaller number.
I say Auskick or Inspo.. they are both in the need of a smaller number.
Fair enuff. Who is inspo, though? Got me stumped.
natlovestheswans
10 May 2007, 10:28
Fair enuff. Who is inspo, though? Got me stumped.
Paul Bevan.
The name came from after the H&A game againest the Eagles last year. Brett Kirk said he was 'inspirational' taking that hit, or some rubbish like that.
GGOOAALL
10 May 2007, 10:40
I know it won't happen, but if you could, who do you think is most deserving of the iconic no.14 jumper in the current swans team?
kirky or mickey are the only two id like to see with the honour of wearing 14 on the their back. kirky because he's inspirational (cptn courageous & cptn kirk hehe) or mickey since he's the oldest swan (in games played).
but i think both the above players are happy with their current numbers.
like some have mentioned, they've left it so long that the reputation of the number 14 grows, but no doubt whoever takes it will have the unfortunate possibility of retaining the reputation of the number... something along the lines of being the leagues number one draft pick...
i would like to see somone run around with the number 14 on their back before i die tho!!
Paul Bevan.
The name came from after the H&A game againest the Eagles last year. Brett Kirk said he was 'inspirational' taking that hit, or some rubbish like that.
Seriously? The players refer to him as inspo? Um....ooookaaaaay. :p
swans12
10 May 2007, 11:16
You wouldn't seriously consider giving Beavan the 14.
He is struggling to even make the side at present.
I thought it was Malcheski that got cleaned up, might be wrong though.
I know it's early days in his career, but I thought Kieran Jack showed a lot of courage in a few of the plays he was involved in last week. Id like to see him play a bit more before giving him the no. 14 but I think he showed glimpses of some of the qualities of Kel and Skilts in his limited game time.
Hope he gets a few more games before the injured senior players return. :)
natlovestheswans
10 May 2007, 11:28
Seriously? The players refer to him as inspo? Um....ooookaaaaay. :p
Noo, haha. Only me and my sister call him Inspo and even then, it's a joke. Remember how after he got the hit that's kinda when the Eagles started to get going in the last quarter and got their goals? I don't think anyone actually thinks Paul Bevan is 'inspirational'. So yeah, it's only a joke that came from something stupid that Brett Kirk said.
Anyway, i doubt Inspo would ever want to change his number seeing his premiership number is 42. But i think Auskick will eventually ask for something smaller, so who knows.
I know it's early days in his career, but I thought Kieran Jack showed a lot of courage in a few of the plays he was involved in last week. Id like to see him play a bit more before giving him the no. 14 but I think he showed glimpses of some of the qualities of Kel and Skilts in his limited game time.
Hope he gets a few more games before the injured senior players return. :)
Hmm. Well he fits the profile. League background. Hard tackler. Quick. Big heart. New South Welshman.
But I agree with the idea that someone should wear it soon. That number is starting to have a Turin Shroud feel. And it's probably time to bring it back down Earth before it will be impossible to wear it without the prospective player first performing a miralce and being Beatified by the Pope!! :D
Noo, haha. Only me and my sister call him Inspo and even then, it's a joke. Remember how after he got the hit that's kinda when the Eagles started to get going in the last quarter and got their goals? I don't think anyone actually thinks Paul Bevan is 'inspirational'. So yeah, it's only a joke that came from something stupid that Brett Kirk said.
Anyway, i doubt Inspo would ever want to change his number seeing his premiership number is 42. But i think Auskick will eventually ask for something smaller, so who knows.
haha. Cool. Please don't be insulted if I don't join you in the whole "inspo" thing tho. :p
I've said this before...on current form Esky would be the only one i would even consider. He has all the attributes of a Kell or Skilts, tough, hard at the ball, a lot of heart, runs all day and working his way up rather than being drafted as the next big star.
grimlock
10 May 2007, 12:47
Geelong gave Travis Varcoe no. 5 and no fuss has been made of it. The longer the number is without an owner, the more pressure there will be on the next kid. I say we give it to our last round draft choice next year, where there would be no expectation.
No. 11 on the other hand....
They should have given to someone in 2003, straight after Kel retired. Now the next player who gets it, is going to be under undue pressure to perform. Kelly was hardly setting the world on fire when he got it in '91/'92.
Two club legends have worn the number, but some ordinary campaigners have worn the number too - just like any other number.
oldman -pop
10 May 2007, 14:15
I know it's early days in his career, but I thought Kieran Jack showed a lot of courage in a few of the plays he was involved in last week. Id like to see him play a bit more before giving him the no. 14 but I think he showed glimpses of some of the qualities of Kel and Skilts in his limited game time.
Hope he gets a few more games before the injured senior players return. :)
Sorry not being rude but no even close and yes I know its only a opinion which everyone has a right to
My thought right at this moment A. Goodes get it out of the way Skilts would be proud for him to wear it
natlovestheswans
10 May 2007, 14:51
Sorry not being rude but no even close and yes I know its only a opinion which everyone has a right to
My thought right at this moment A. Goodes get it out of the way Skilts would be proud for him to wear it
I don't think Goodes would want it. I don't think any players from the 2005 premiership would want to change their number, especially not Adam seeing he's won 2 Brownlows and a premiership with the number 37.
oldman -pop
10 May 2007, 15:03
I don't think Goodes would want it. I don't think any players from the 2005 premiership would want to change their number, especially not Adam seeing he's won 2 Brownlows and a premiership with the number 37.
Thats my point skilts won three but only played in one final game
way back in 1970 againts the saints as a matter of interest but would give them away to be a premiership player
yes Goodes has a flag under his belt my well get a third Brownlow
Just a thought but do you think the the playing number issue would be against the team orientated Bloods Spirit thingummy. Seems a little like anything that puts the focus on an individual wouldn't exactly be cheered on by the setup. And perhaps the number 14 hasn't been re-issued for that very reason?
natlovestheswans
10 May 2007, 15:18
Thats my point skilts won three but only played in one final game
way back in 1970 againts the saints as a matter of interest but would give them away to be a premiership player
yes Goodes has a flag under his belt my well get a third Brownlow
What does this have to do with Adam Goodes getting the number 14? Adam Goodes wouldn't want the number.
oldman -pop
10 May 2007, 15:32
What does this have to do with Adam Goodes getting the number 14? Adam Goodes wouldn't want the number.
Well one way is to ask the man himself
But I think he would be honoured as any player would
In the end My opinion is the number 14 will never be worn again
Sorry not being rude but no even close and yes I know its only a opinion which everyone has a right to
My thought right at this moment A. Goodes get it out of the way Skilts would be proud for him to wear it
Thanks. Your post was not rude but I think you may have missed the point. I thought the idea of the thread was to identify young players who may deserve one day to wear the jumper (could be wrong), not established players who have worn another number for their entire careers. Why would someone like Goodes, who has won 2 Brownlow medals in his jumper, want to change numbers all of a sudden? He and others have made their jumpers their own. If we're talking current senior, established players then I reckon Crouch would just beat Goodes to the no.14 jumper.
Paul Kelly is my fav. player of all time, and although I was not around to see Skilton by all accounts he is a legend of the game. I was certainly NOT comparing Kieran Jack to either of these greats, just making an observation that for the 15 minutes that Jack played the other night he showed a fair bit of courage for such a young, small player. If what he showed the other night is a sign of things to come he will be OK in my book.
natlovestheswans
10 May 2007, 15:40
Well one way is to ask the man himself
But I think he would be honoured as any player would
In the end My opinion is the number 14 will never be worn again
He wouldn't want the number because he's got a premiership and 2 Brownlows with it.
I'd like to see Malceski in it, I think he is the future of our club. He didn't play in the GF so there would be no senteimentality attached to his no 9, like Skilton and Kelly he's a tough nut and with the exeption perhaps of Davis, has more skill than the rest of our team put together.
Why would someone like Goodes, who has won 2 Brownlow medals in his jumper, want to change numbers all of a sudden? He and others have made their jumpers their own.
Plugger won his Brownlow wearing (coincidentally) the no 14 guernsey and then changed to Darren Baldock's old number 4. So having achieved in one guernsey doesn't necessarily mean a player won't consider a change if there is a reason.
I'm not suggesting that this means Goodes should - or could want to - change. Just that it is not beyond the realm of possibilities.
It's worth noting that the Swans have a similar issue with 11 too, having mothballed that since 2005. It doesn't have quite the same romantic connotations for fans but, as with 14, there is increasing pressure to find someone "worthy" the longer it is not used.
oldman -pop
10 May 2007, 15:56
Thanks. Your post was not rude but I think you may have missed the point. I thought the idea of the thread was to identify young players who may deserve one day to wear the jumper (could be wrong), not established players who have worn another number for their entire careers. Why would someone like Goodes, who has won 2 Brownlow medals in his jumper, want to change numbers all of a sudden? He and others have made their jumpers their own. If we're talking current senior, established players then I reckon Crouch would just beat Goodes to the no.14 jumper.
Paul Kelly is my fav. player of all time, and although I was not around to see Skilton by all accounts he is a legend of the game. I was certainly NOT comparing Kieran Jack to either of these greats, just making an observation that for the 15 minutes that Jack played the other night he showed a fair bit of courage for such a young, small player. If what he showed the other night is a sign of things to come he will be OK in my book.
no problems but I will say skilts was much shorter than say Phillips and would take on anyone of size or build with no fear get the footage of him winning one of his brownlows at the old festive hall he looks as if he had been 10 rounds with Ali But was brilliant to watch so hard in and under and his skills on both sides of body foot and hand :thumbsu:
GGOOAALL
10 May 2007, 16:50
Plugger won his Brownlow wearing (coincidentally) the no 14 guernsey and then changed to Darren Baldock's old number 4. So having achieved in one guernsey doesn't necessarily mean a player won't consider a change if there is a reason.
I'm not suggesting that this means Goodes should - or could want to - change. Just that it is not beyond the realm of possibilities.
It's worth noting that the Swans have a similar issue with 11 too, having mothballed that since 2005. It doesn't have quite the same romantic connotations for fans but, as with 14, there is increasing pressure to find someone "worthy" the longer it is not used.
Tredrea, great leader, awsome forward... one of the most recognised players... he changes from 16 to 1 this season.
Tredrea, great leader, awsome forward... one of the most recognised players... he changes from 16 to 1 this season.
Was there any particular reason for that change? Something to do with the Captaincy maybe?
grimlock
10 May 2007, 17:08
Its reserved for the injury crocks...Wanganeen, Primus before him.
GGOOAALL
10 May 2007, 17:17
Was there any particular reason for that change? Something to do with the Captaincy maybe?
yeh i suspect its be cos of that. but 'number 1' is most prob the most sought after number anwyays.
GGOOAALL
10 May 2007, 17:21
Its reserved for the injury crocks...Wanganeen, Primus before him.
haerherahrae but yeh, u get the point im trying to make right? even a player of many years with many achievements are still willing to change numbers.
so even tho goodes or whoever has won flags & brownlows, doesnt mean they wont change numbers. who knows, change in number may lead to change of form for the big guy ;)
i duno, watever... just bored at work so thought of somthing to type =)
SouthSwans
11 May 2007, 11:51
I always thought Kirk.... but maybe Malceski somewhere down the track.....
Da Swannys Kid
11 May 2007, 13:30
Schnidaman!!!
In the fullnsess of time maybe Craig Bird. A new South Welshman, hard-midfielder, recently captained the Rams to a great win over the in-form TAC team the Calder cannons
Corpuscles
11 May 2007, 21:00
I honestly thought ...Schnieder .....cause his first year blew me away
Better footy people I now trust.
We will get another 14!
Swans have not had good high draft pickings for years
but ... hope DOK lives up to his promise & potential! ......D O'Keefe No 14
swans12
14 May 2007, 13:12
In the fullnsess of time maybe Craig Bird. A new South Welshman, hard-midfielder, recently captained the Rams to a great win over the in-form TAC team the Calder cannons
As soon as he is in the side the better.
Next year he will make an impact if given an opportunity.
Big Motor, Hard at it and a bit of class and yes he is a NSW boy.
All Australian Under 18 and AIS academy last year and was an underage 18.
You've got to give it to one of the young blokes. I'd put up Keiren Jack too. Fits the bill, undersized tough, ex leaguey. Do It!
I know it's early days in his career, but I thought Kieran Jack showed a lot of courage in a few of the plays he was involved in last week. Id like to see him play a bit more before giving him the no. 14 but I think he showed glimpses of some of the qualities of Kel and Skilts in his limited game time.
Hope he gets a few more games before the injured senior players return. :)
Problem is Jack is no good. Has got the fine motor skills of a rugby player like Bevan. He needs the fine motor skills of an AFL player.
Problem is Jack is no good. Has got the fine motor skills of a rugby player like Bevan. He needs the fine motor skills of an AFL player.
I'm not sure what this means (just got home from a gig at Annandale hotel though, so perhaps the vodka is a factor) :o
Are you saying he can run and tackle but that's it? I thought he showed us a tick more than that so far.