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oldman -pop
10 May 2007, 18:49
In Monty Bevan
Out Schmidt Moore
Schmidt is very very unlucky
This is some kind of a joke. You have to wonder what on earth Roos is thinking
Jeffers1984
10 May 2007, 19:59
An absolute joke. Roos is clearly playing favourites here.
oldman -pop
10 May 2007, 20:29
Sydney
Backs: Richards Barry Malceski
Half-backs: Crouch C Bolton Mathews
Centres: Ablett Kirk Buchanan
Half-forwards: R O'Keefe O'Loughlin J Bolton
Forwards: Schneider Hall Everitt
Followers: Jolly Goodes
Rover: Fosdike
Interchange: Bevan N Davis McVeigh Jack
Emergencies: Laidlaw Schmidt Thornton
In: Bevan Buchanan
Out: Moore Schmidt
The answer is who left the coaching staff from last year and who is new,
That meaning some players may be out of favour in the game plans that maybe likely to be the young lads Phillips Schmidt, Moore for the moment
Foot note one J.Wall delisted from swans list picked up by saints so you may think Lyon may had some say in that and he is not going to bad in the VFL
SWANNIES RULE
10 May 2007, 20:37
I would of thought Bevo would have to of proved a bit more before his was brought back in. Laidlaw deserved a spot more than he did.
VERY tough on Schmidt.
Schmidt was better than McVeigh last week, so why was Schmidt dropped?
Roosy is definitely playing favourites.
oldman -pop
10 May 2007, 20:50
But if the swans win all will be forgiven :thumbsu:
If swans lose :eek:
oldman -pop
10 May 2007, 21:07
An absolute joke. Roos is clearly playing favourites here.
More so I would say its the new selection panel this year different game plans and veiw of some players the way they see them fitting in with it
Corpuscles
10 May 2007, 21:10
It amazes me the whinging that goes on! I had a peek over at RWO and they are whining about Bevo too!
Why don't people think of the possible reasons why it might be a good & right decison ? Here is some
- A put up or shut up challenge to him... get out of 2's doldrums
- Increase his trade value at end of year
- Has played FBP in GF, so release Eski into more midfield role
- Has played on Milne before and killed him (all trick but needs study)
- Now a must win 8pt game ,not a good one for debut for Laidlaw
fwiw I think Monty is unlikely and Schmidt will prob play
Moore I can understand, despite the lack of time he still has been seen floating around the play rather than going getting the ball.
Schmidt though wtf, he has been progressing spot on, I don’t understand this and frankly think its appalling.
oldman -pop
10 May 2007, 21:21
It amazes me the whinging that goes on! I had a peek over at RWO and they are whining about Bevo too!
Why don't people think of the possible reasons why it might be a good & right decison ? Here is some
- A put up or shut up challenge to him... get out of 2's doldrums
- Increase his trade value at end of year
- Has played FBP in GF, so release Eski into more midfield role
- Has played on Milne before and killed him (all trick but needs study)
- Now a must win 8pt game ,not a good one for debut for Laidlaw
fwiw I think Monty is unlikely and Schmidt will prob play
No Schmidt will play 2,s
Corpuscles
10 May 2007, 21:34
No Schmidt will play 2,s
You are great for info Pop:thumbsu:
.... I hope Monty plays then!
I think Roos is reacting to the lack of pace rebounding from defence with Tiger out. Bevan certainly has that to offer. Mal's output definitely dropped. So hopefully Bevo will help amend that situation.
Keiran probably deserved another game. Maybe his pace and input late in the game won out over Schmidt's. But Tim is pretty unlucky.
Late edit. This really is a strange pick having Bevan come in. I know he's had injuries. But I'm struggling to recall the last time he playerd in the seniors. I looked it up. He had 9 games in row last year (rnd 13-21), coming into the side when Crouch went out. I guess that's his role for us. A top 25 position player who only comes in when there are injuries in the backline?
I don't have a problem with Bevan's selection per se, though I don't think he has sufficient runs on the board to mean he shouldn't have to earn a spot via consistently good form in the twos.
But I think there is a clue in the article about the team where Roos points to being impressed by his form in pre-season games. While I don't recall anything spectacular in the pre-season, it is becoming clear that this is more of a yardstick for selection than performance against the witches hats that are the ACTAFL. When Jack earned his place, Roos referred to his good performances against senior players in the pre-season rather than just to his reserves form. I suspect Laidlaw has some question marks hanging over him due to his fairly lacklustre month immediately prior to the season proper.
What I find most frustrating is that where you have two players whose recent oppostion can be compared - ie Schmidt and McVeigh - one seems to have been significantly more valuable than the other in recent weeks. It is thus the decision to retain McVeigh at the expense of Schmidt that really ticks me off.
I'm not writing McVeigh off. I still think he may become a solid player - possibly even a pretty good player. But I think Schmidt could too and it only seems fair to judge on form rather than length of tenure.
Reading that article it sounds to me like Bevan was part of the team planning ealier this year but injuries interrupted that. And now that we have an opening with a few more players going down, it's probably the right time to throw him back in and see if these "plans" are going to work out.
I think Bevan has a couple of things going for him if you were talking a direct swap for Schmidt. He's faster, slightly taller and also can take a good mark. I've really enjoyed Schmidt's work in and under. But you'd have to say Amon's inclusion means he suddenly becomes a tad less crucial.
I'm really keen to see some more of Schmidt. I think he might have gotten the jump on Moore now going forward. And as the EMG list suggests the match committee might just be starting to think the same way.
oldman -pop
11 May 2007, 05:50
Reading that article it sounds to me like Bevan was part of the team planning ealier this year but injuries interrupted that. And now that we have an opening with a few more players going down, it's probably the right time to throw him back in and see if these "plans" are going to work out.
I think Bevan has a couple of things going for him if you were talking a direct swap for Schmidt. He's faster, slightly taller and also can take a good mark. I've really enjoyed Schmidt's work in and under. But you'd have to say Amon's inclusion means he suddenly becomes a tad less crucial.
I'm really keen to see some more of Schmidt. I think he might have gotten the jump on Moore now going forward. And as the EMG list suggests the match committee might just be starting to think the same way.
my thoughts is one young kid Phillips may not be there next season
oldman -pop
11 May 2007, 06:29
Reading RWO and just two names that come to thought that talk so much crap but have there own dum opinion legs akimbo and barry how can they bag a kid who has played againts W coast both times he did well in his first game but I guess some people have no football brains Im sick of young kids getting bagged when the swans lose get your own kids to be better then ? If I liked I could tell you more than you would like to know give the young kids a go :thumbsu:
Maybe we could call it hide behind the key board forum
and sorry had a few cool aids tonight this morning t:p
legs akimbo
11 May 2007, 10:01
Reading RWO and just two names that come to thought that talk so much crap but have there own dum opinion legs akimbo and barry how can they bag a kid who has played againts W coast both times he did well in his first game but I guess some people have no football brains Im sick of young kids getting bagged when the swans lose get your own kids to be better then ? If I liked I could tell you more than you would like to know give the young kids a go :thumbsu:
Maybe we could call it hide behind the key board forum
and sorry had a few cool aids tonight this morning t:p
I read this forum too fella. Bit sly to go elsewhere and pay out on people from another forum. Bit weak don't you think? Would you call that hiding behind your keyboard> My advise is to lay off the cool aids.
In any case, what the hell are you talking about. Out of interest, aside from Ben Matthews and McVeigh, who have I bagged and show me the thread.
natlovestheswans
11 May 2007, 10:52
Poor Schmidt, he didn't deserve to be dropped.
I don't know how i feel about Bevan coming in, i love him because he's a roomie but from what i've seen and read of him this year he's been absolutely rubbish. Hopefully he'll prove tomorrow night that he deserved his spot.
.Shotties.
11 May 2007, 11:02
Paul Bevan has been hard at the ball and solid in almost every game he's played. He's not spectacular, but he wins almost every 50-50 on the ground, and after that incident last year I don't think anyone can question his dedication to a contest.
natlovestheswans
11 May 2007, 11:05
Paul Bevan has been hard at the ball and solid in almost every game he's played. He's not spectacular, but he wins almost every 50-50 on the ground, and after that incident last year I don't think anyone can question his dedication to a contest.
Unfortantely not this year though. I got to see him in 2 preseason matches and he was absolutely shocking in both, then from reports he hasn't done much the last two weeks in the reserves. I'm not sure if he's ready to come back into the team just yet. You'd think he'd need a little bit more in the reserves, especially when a player like Schmidt who has been going quite well this year is getting dropped for him to come in.
grimlock
11 May 2007, 11:10
I read this forum too fella. Bit sly to go elsewhere and pay out on people from another forum. Bit weak don't you think? Would you call that hiding behind your keyboard> My advise is to lay off the cool aids.
In any case, what the hell are you talking about. Out of interest, aside from Ben Matthews and McVeigh, who have I bagged and show me the thread.
He's talking about Phillips. barry has bagged him out numerous times, saying he cost us the W.Coast game by missing his set shot. I suspect the fact he was Davis's replacement has not put young Flipper into barry's good books.
Don't know how you got dragged into it.
Corpuscles
11 May 2007, 12:12
Oh Lovely!:thumbsu:
Opinions are like ars*****s everyone has one! They are all very valuable but sometimes they stink!
Over the years I have read forums and more recently contributed I am amazed at how posters are emotionally stirred up and annoyed by players coaches and selection choices and hold themselves out as having better insight than the Swans Selection Panel that includes no less then Paul Roos and John Longmire who are full time professional proven as highly accomplished at the task.
We all are just Terry Wallet "would be's... if we could be's"!
I wonder whether the philosophy snippets that are announced or can be observed are retained and thought about by fans?
Here are some things I have gleaned from keen observation of the innovative and leading approach P Roos has brought to head coaching.
The key foundation of his strategy have been.
The team as a cohesive unit is greater than any player or selection
Some players are given sacrifical roles that do not promote acclaim for the performance those tasks are considered the highest value contribution.
Experience is valued highly and often greater than the last onfield performance(s)
Match ups are the key selection criteria with relevance to the particular slightly variable game plan
New blood debut elevations or inexperience is almost always are short stints, rewarded with a follow on game, regardless of performance for confidence building. Roos rarely ever drops a player after 1 game!
New blood is rotated in and out unless player absolutely shows complete readiness and standard above the benchmark top 22. This creates competitive pressure for spots in the 22 from many ths placing incentive on the whole team to perform.
Often after a stint young blood is given opportunity to take the experience from higher intensity back to 2's to further develop extremely dominant confidence and work mainly on key faults. This would be told to them in advance.
Experienced players regardless of poor showing in 2's are also occasionally brought up to spark enthusiasm (no fun or motivation playing 2's) This is occasionally to increase trade value of such player (eg Saddo).. get nuthin for them if they play ACTFL for full year
There are some games that demand the best 22 even if carrying injury. "8 pt games" are against those Swans expect to be in the final 8.
New blood are told, you will hold your spot next week get out and enjoy it if you stuff up no problem "
Sometimes due to unforseen injury a particular young blood is brought in for match up reasons, they would be told why and would expect that different match up next week may see them dropped.
The modern game is have key foundation players surrounded by versatile components. The more versatile the fringe bottom 8 of the best 26 the more likely their inclusion. eg On recruiting Richards was hopeless and poorly performed worse than the poise shown by Vogels... but he has shown he can play back and forward and link.... he is regularly in... Luke has to work on developing that or stake claim for KP!
They work preseason to assess statistically all player capabilities strengths weaknesses, identify best 22 & those they think are ready to give experience in 1's and map out a program based on the draw..but of course it changes due to unforseen events.
The ins and outs this year and this week do not surprise me at all !( exception of Grundy underdone 1st few games.. but there would have been a good reason)
Anyway carry on:D ..... and whine abot poor Schmidt and Moorey scream blue murder about McVeigh and Bevo (mainly for the occasionally visiting RWO's).... hell why not bag the whole team you luv if it floats your boat!... I bet it has been professionally explained to players!
Swans are Cortinas that have very good mechanics..... by the way I reckon there will be coaching jobs going at several AFL clubs at end of the year... all you whingers better start working on your resume!!!.. don't forget the bit about being better than Roos and Longmire!!!!:p
Oh Lovely!:thumbsu:
Opinions are like ars*****s everyone has one! They are all very valuable but sometimes they stink!
Over the years I have read forums and more recently contributed I am amazed at how posters are emotionally stirred up and annoyed by players coaches and selection choices and hold themselves out as having better insight than the Swans Selection Panel that includes no less then Paul Roos and John Longmire who are full time professional proven as highly accomplished at the task.
We all are just Terry Wallet "would be's... if we could be's"!
I wonder whether the philosophy snippets that are announced or can be observed are retained and thought about by fans?
Here are some things I have gleaned from keen observation of the innovative and leading approach P Roos has brought to head coaching.
The key foundation of his strategy have been.
The team as a cohesive unit is greater than any player or selection
Some players are given sacrifical roles that do not promote acclaim for the performance those tasks are considered the highest value contribution.
Experience is valued highly and often greater than the last onfield performance(s)
Match ups are the key selection criteria with relevance to the particular slightly variable game plan
New blood debut elevations or inexperience is almost always are short stints, rewarded with a follow on game, regardless of performance for confidence building. Roos rarely ever drops a player after 1 game!
New blood is rotated in and out unless player absolutely shows complete readiness and standard above the benchmark top 22. This creates competitive pressure for spots in the 22 from many ths placing incentive on the whole team to perform.
Often after a stint young blood is given opportunity to take the experience from higher intensity back to 2's to further develop extremely dominant confidence and work mainly on key faults. This would be told to them in advance.
Experienced players regardless of poor showing in 2's are also occasionally brought up to spark enthusiasm (no fun or motivation playing 2's) This is occasionally to increase trade value of such player (eg Saddo).. get nuthin for them if they play ACTFL for full year
There are some games that demand the best 22 even if carrying injury. "8 pt games" are against those Swans expect to be in the final 8.
New blood are told, you will hold your spot next week get out and enjoy it if you stuff up no problem "
Sometimes due to unforseen injury a particular young blood is brought in for match up reasons, they would be told why and would expect that different match up next week may see them dropped.
The modern game is have key foundation players surrounded by versatile components. The more versatile the fringe bottom 8 of the best 26 the more likely their inclusion. eg On recruiting Richards was hopeless and poorly performed worse than the poise shown by Vogels... but he has shown he can play back and forward and link.... he is regularly in... Luke has to work on developing that or stake claim for KP!
They work preseason to assess statistically all player capabilities strengths weaknesses, identify best 22 & those they think are ready to give experience in 1's and map out a program based on the draw..but of course it changes due to unforseen events.
The ins and outs this year and this week do not surprise me at all !( exception of Grundy underdone 1st few games.. but there would have been a good reason)
Anyway carry on:D ..... and whine abot poor Schmidt and Moorey scream blue murder about McVeigh and Bevo (mainly for the occasionally visiting RWO's).... hell why not bag the whole team you luv if it floats your boat!... I bet it has been professionally explained to players!
Swans are Cortinas that have very good mechanics..... by the way I reckon there will be coaching jobs going at several AFL clubs at end of the year... all you whingers better start working on your resume!!!.. don't forget the bit about being better than Roos and Longmire!!!!:p
lol. Good read. Feeling better now? :D
Schmidt was dropped why. He looks a gun from what ive seen.
natlovestheswans
11 May 2007, 12:49
Experienced players regardless of poor showing in 2's are also occasionally brought up to spark enthusiasm (no fun or motivation playing 2's) This is occasionally to increase trade value of such player (eg Saddo).. get nuthin for them if they play ACTFL for full year
Paul Bevan is going 'spark enthusiasm'? Lol, let's hppe so. I want to believe in Bevo, but it's a little hard when he's shown absolutely nothing in every game he's played this year. I mean in one of the games i watched him in, everytime he went near the ball he screwed it..
But yeah, go Inspo!
Schmidt was dropped why. He looks a gun from what ive seen.
He's played 5 in a row, and shown us something while spaces have been available. Crouch, Schneider, Dempster, Davis, Tiger and now Amon have all been either going out or coming back in over this period. But those spaces on the list are drying up a tad, and senior players have been pushing. Most of those players I've named are close to a return, or already back.
With Bevan fit and a poor return off halfback from the team last week probably it was just getting to that time. Schmidt and Amon both in the side possibly wasn't regarded as versatile as having Bevan and either Amon/Schmidt depending on fitness.
His emergency status suggests he's still there n abouts. I'd like him to be the guy that comes from nowhere to get 12 or more games this year. But that would probably need injuries, or massive form fall-aways to occur.
Corpuscles
11 May 2007, 13:16
lol. Good read. Feeling better now? :D
I really would like to join RWO forum but seems to me many get a endless loop of a negative hobby horse! I would much rather see the positives or at least think about why such decisons are made (like post below)... No offence to any poster intended
Much better now thanks:thumbsu:
Paul Bevan is going 'spark enthusiasm'? Lol, let's hppe so. I want to believe in Bevo, but it's a little hard when he's shown absolutely nothing in every game he's played this year. I mean in one of the games i watched him in, everytime he went near the ball he screwed it..
But yeah, go Inspo!
Good onya Nat:thumbsu: ... let's hope so!!!!... but he is a bland defensive negater ala Matthews, look for the 1%ers and the bruising tackles..... poor little saints! *sob sob*
Go INSPO!!! Show em!:D
Da Swannys Kid
11 May 2007, 13:33
GO BEVO!! I got da big 42 on da back, go out dere n cut sick on dem Saintas!
oldman -pop
11 May 2007, 18:12
I read this forum too fella. Bit sly to go elsewhere and pay out on people from another forum. Bit weak don't you think? Would you call that hiding behind your keyboard> My advise is to lay off the cool aids.
In any case, what the hell are you talking about. Out of interest, aside from Ben Matthews and McVeigh, who have I bagged and show me the thread.
Good was hoping to got your attention on this forum so one I only right in this forum so hiding not on my life fella
And two this is what you wrote isnt it :confused:
Based on the idiotic selection of Philips from the rookie list last year (proven by hindsight to have been just ridiculous), followed by playing Grundy straight back from injury just to destroy the kids confidence (again, proven by hindsight to be silly). Now this.
The funny part is that RWO posters picked all three as stupid and all three turned out to be stupid
and, as per earlier opinion, I think Buchanan is over-rated. His kicking is atrocious. Been watching him. It's because he kicks across his body too often
No wonder you've got a clown as your avatar
But computers are great to make and give opinions fella and of which you only know to well I think
But you want to know somethink Phillips and co have done what you will never or couldnt do but only dream of playing AFL football and thats what the records will show now and forever :D
Oh by the way I will have a cool aid just for you at the RSL
cheers fella
natlovestheswans
11 May 2007, 18:55
I'm confused as to why it matters if he bagged Auskick?
[quote=Tuco;7497307]He's played 5 in a row, and shown us something while spaces have been available. Crouch, Schneider, Dempster, Davis, Tiger and now Amon have all been either going out or coming back in over this period. But those spaces on the list are drying up a tad, and senior players have been pushing. Most of those players I've named are close to a return, or already back.
quote]
I belive their still should be a spot in our 22 for Schmidt at this point regardless of senior returns.
I think when a kid is progressing like Schmidt you don’t drop him, particularly when there were so many poor starters last night and I think that at this point Schmidt out Bevin in is not where I wanted to see the team. Now that he is playing I hope Im on here all weak apologising profusely.
I belive their still should be a spot in our 22 for Schmidt at this point regardless of senior returns.
I think when a kid is progressing like Schmidt you don’t drop him, particularly when there were so many poor starters last night and I think that at this point Schmidt out Bevin in is not where I wanted to see the team. Now that he is playing I hope Im on here all weak apologising profusely.
I agree to the extent that I'd like to see him get more games. But to be fair 5 rounds straight is pretty good for a stint.
I think we've started to see some cracks appearing with Dempster and Tiger both out of the side. So I understand where they're coming from with the Bevan selection. Schmidt's exclusion probably comes down to whether or not Keiran deserves to play this week or not. And I'd say he does this time around.
I'd rate Schmidt as a very handy player to have on the list. But while you could make a strong case that he should be in the 22 of currently available players. If all first pick players were fit, I'm not so sure he'd demand a spot just yet. But I'm hoping he will soon.
I'd rate Schmidt as a very handy player to have on the list. But while you could make a strong case that he should be in the 22 of currently available players. If all first pick players were fit, I'm not so sure he'd demand a spot just yet. But I'm hoping he will soon.
I don't think many would argue with you - yet - about whether Schmidt is in the best 22. Though realistically, most players in the best 24-25 will get themselves a game most weeks, the way minor (and sometimes major) injuries happen.
I guess my frustration with Schmidt's run being cut short - for now - is that I watch the likes of the Roos and Hawks play and they have, respectively, Harris and Mitchell who are not quick but just clear the ball cleanly time after time. Simon Black is another (though he has a few other tricks in his bag too and is a notch or three above Harris and Mitchell).
With our gameplan's focus on stoppages, having someone like this in the team could make a huge difference, maybe helping to clear the ball at the first or second attempt rather than after the 10th ball up. And to be Schmidt seems to be the one who possesses the attributes such that he might become such a player. It's not like he's a newcomer to the club either. He has done three long years of apprenticeship, performed at a consistently good level in the twos, and I'd love to see him get the kind of chance that Schneider and Bevan got (both in their second year) to have a sustained run in the senior team so we can really see what he has.
I don't think many would argue with you - yet - about whether Schmidt is in the best 22. Though realistically, most players in the best 24-25 will get themselves a game most weeks, the way minor (and sometimes major) injuries happen.
I guess my frustration with Schmidt's run being cut short - for now - is that I watch the likes of the Roos and Hawks play and they have, respectively, Harris and Mitchell who are not quick but just clear the ball cleanly time after time. Simon Black is another (though he has a few other tricks in his bag too and is a notch or three above Harris and Mitchell).
With our gameplan's focus on stoppages, having someone like this in the team could make a huge difference, maybe helping to clear the ball at the first or second attempt rather than after the 10th ball up. And to be Schmidt seems to be the one who possesses the attributes such that he might become such a player. It's not like he's a newcomer to the club either. He has done three long years of apprenticeship, performed at a consistently good level in the twos, and I'd love to see him get the kind of chance that Schneider and Bevan got (both in their second year) to have a sustained run in the senior team so we can really see what he has.
I'm actually more excited about Schmidt than I prefer to show on these boards. The years taken to come into the side has allowed him to develop the build to come in and play our game. But if pressed I'd say that I've seen a vision of our midfield going forward post Jude and Kirk, and Schmidt's a big part of it IMHO.
I think we're robbing Peter to pay Paul this week. Dropping Schmidt is probably an acceptable cost, but only because Amon is coming back into the side. We really do need someone to take up some of the slack up back for our rebound game right now. And in all the fuss I think a lot of us have forgotten that we are playingg St Kilda this week, and their lineup presents some fascinating prolems for us - especially around their forward line.
What I will find interesting is whether Bevan will retain a spot once Tiger and Dempster are fit again. I also see him as a player that is a top 25ish player (pretty much like Schmidt has become) who can come in and do a job.
In the end it's good that we now have some options in the seconds that can help us with specific matchups- rather than just an army of players only good for benchwork to give senior players a breather.
legs akimbo
12 May 2007, 13:50
Good was hoping to got your attention on this forum so one I only right in this forum so hiding not on my life fella
And two this is what you wrote isnt it :confused:
Based on the idiotic selection of Philips from the rookie list last year (proven by hindsight to have been just ridiculous), followed by playing Grundy straight back from injury just to destroy the kids confidence (again, proven by hindsight to be silly). Now this.
The funny part is that RWO posters picked all three as stupid and all three turned out to be stupid
and, as per earlier opinion, I think Buchanan is over-rated. His kicking is atrocious. Been watching him. It's because he kicks across his body too often
No wonder you've got a clown as your avatar
But computers are great to make and give opinions fella and of which you only know to well I think
But you want to know somethink Phillips and co have done what you will never or couldnt do but only dream of playing AFL football and thats what the records will show now and forever :D
Oh by the way I will have a cool aid just for you at the RSL
cheers fella
Read it again old man. My ire is in relation to the selection policy, not the player. I think Phillips is a very big talent. Pulling him from the Rookie list in the Canberra League (even I'd kick goals in that competition), into the West Coast game was not a good idea. Roos as tried this three times. It is yet to work. I don't fathom why it would work.
Having said that, if anyone can pull it off, it is probably Jack. I think he should have been promoted to the senior list last year anyway (although I understand why he was not).
One more suggestion for you as you sit hunched over the bar, a line of drool connecting the corner of your mouth with your 'cool aid' as you stare leery eyed at the tv blaring out crap whilst some disintersted girls wipes your last filthy glass with her filthy cloth. Don't live vicariously. I didn't play AFL footy and I never wanted to. My life is rich in other ways.
Regards,
Legs
Benevolent Ert
12 May 2007, 17:01
More football talk and less of this please:
No wonder you've got a clown as your avatar
But you want to know somethink Phillips and co have done what you will never or couldnt do but only dream of playing AFL football and thats what the records will show now and forever :D
One more suggestion for you as you sit hunched over the bar, a line of drool connecting the corner of your mouth with your 'cool aid' as you stare leery eyed at the tv blaring out crap whilst some disintersted girls wipes your last filthy glass with her filthy cloth. Don't live vicariously.
This is my first and last warning on the matter
is2SWaNz
12 May 2007, 18:54
I don't know whether to be happy or angry at the fact that Bevan has been included in the team. I can't remember when was the last time he played at senior level, but I thought this change is very unlucky for Schmidt.
Having said that, Bevan has been an 'asset' for the Swans. Note, he is a premiership player, and I have to keep reminding myself of that. By looking at these changes, Paul Roos definintely believes Bevan can pull it through. Sure, injury and more injuries has dampened his start of the 07 season, but all I can predict is that Bevan will just go from strength to strength. He ain't those very talented players, just like the many of our Swans players, but if they just do their job, I think they can all pull through.
Go Bevan!
By the way, will Amon play? If he doesn't, its more than likely Schmidt will replace him.
Edit
The game is about to start in 40 minutes, but before that happens, I want to predict what might happen.
After a very disappointing loss, we'll witness a rejuvenated Swans outfit. I think the Swans will run all over the Saints in the first Q, but after that, it would be a tough contest. Swans tend to fail to hold their leads (evident in Tuco's other thread). Having said that, I think the Swans will win. We are more drilled and disciplined than the new Saints team who are just trying to fit in with the new game plan implemented by Lyon.
Swans by 22 points. I hope... (the footy gods will punish me).
natlovestheswans
12 May 2007, 21:31
Their midfield are dominating currently.. Malceski doing a super job.
Aw, it's Schneiders birthday!
is2SWaNz
12 May 2007, 21:33
Our efficiency are horrible. We have 33 more possession and yet, we are trailing. This is not about our sluggish starts, I think its the Saint's pressure.
If Swans lose tonight, I don't know what to think. I don't wan't to stay online till midnight again.
natlovestheswans
12 May 2007, 21:37
Our efficiency are horrible. We have 33 more possession and yet, we are trailing. This is not about our sluggish starts, I think its the Saint's pressure.
If Swans lose tonight, I don't know what to think. I don't wan't to stay online till midnight again.
Lol, me either. I'm going to bed like straight after the game, lose or win. I'm confident though, i think we can win. Our midfield is struggling through, so they need to pick up. Btw, i HATE Milne and Gehrig. DIRTY.
is2SWaNz
12 May 2007, 21:41
Tight pressure football. The Saints are beating us at our own game I think.
natlovestheswans
12 May 2007, 22:17
*DELETED*
You're a moron.
Moving on. Sydney suck.
is2SWaNz
12 May 2007, 22:17
Swans will lose this match. I can't see any other alternative for the Swans to win. We had a bit of mometum in the 3rd Q, we were at level with them and now they are 25 points ahead. :thumbsd:
The end of Swans' winning ways I think. They're playing us at our own game.
natlovestheswans
12 May 2007, 22:18
How unfair was that free Barry Hall got againest him? He hardly ****ing touched the guy. Moronic.
is2SWaNz
12 May 2007, 22:19
I can't rememeber, but there was two stupid decisions made by Teddy and Amon. That cost us badly.
Teddy ran free from a tackle, and he passes it to Kirk (i think) and instead handballs to the opposition. Amon was running and friggen got pinged! :thumbsd: Poor decision making...
The Swans just arnt the same team they were in the past couple of years. They are making far to many mistakes at important times and that is really costing them.
is2SWaNz
12 May 2007, 22:52
**** me dead.
We were beaten at our own game. We are out of the 8 and I think its going to stay that way for a very long time. I think our season is over. Its time for a change. Our game plan is not working, and the opposition are taking advantage of this. We aren't playing our brand of footy. Not becuase of our stupid sluggish starts but the Saint literally choked us.
Bad performance. I'm sick and tired of going over the same old mistakes.
natlovestheswans
12 May 2007, 22:57
I'm so over this rubbish.
is2SWaNz
12 May 2007, 23:02
I can't lament on the Swans performance anymore. Its becoming too frequent. I should just cut and paste what I wrote last week.
I will not give up on the Swans as when they click then they are a brilliant team. The Swans main problem in my opinion is that we only have 2 players who can be counted on to regularly score goals which simply isnt enough.
natlovestheswans
12 May 2007, 23:05
I can't lament on the Swans performance anymore. Its becoming too frequent. I should just cut and paste what I wrote last week.
Yeah i know.
I'm just so over thinking about it. I just wanna go to bed, fall asleep and not think about it.
Ah, who are 5 players that deserve votes?
natlovestheswans
12 May 2007, 23:07
I will not give up on the Swans as when they click then they are a brilliant team. The Swans main problem in my opinion is that we only have 2 players who can be counted on to regularly score goals which simply isnt enough.
I can't give up on them either. My Dad is outside saying that they aren't going to make the 8 and all this other rubbish but i can't agree. I'm not giving up on them yet.
is2SWaNz
12 May 2007, 23:12
I gave up.
Our game plan is shot. Its not working. I hope they prove me wrong badly. If Swans are still there on the 29th of September, someone should quote this post.
We depend too much on BBH, since when do we ALWAYS HAVE TO kick it to Barry Hall? MOL, ROK and Davis are there screaming for the ball. There would always be 3 players flying around Hall.
natlovestheswans
12 May 2007, 23:16
If Jarred McVeigh doesn't get cut i'm going to have a hissy fit.
is2SWaNz
12 May 2007, 23:34
This is the last straw. I need to just need to rant on some stuff, one each of the players.
Barry Hall: He was okay. Kicked some well needed goals. What I find really annoying is when there's a free kick against him, he sprays at the umpys.
Nick Davis: A much better performance from last week. Played okay in some patches
Jarred McVeigh: Oh, did he play? I swear I didn't see him.
Benny Mathews: Umm.. Dal Santo ran all over him most of the time
Ryan O'Keefe: Possibly the best for the Swans. Almost managed to get everything right.
Craig Bolton: A good effort from the small defender. A big task against Nick Reiwoldt (sp?).
Nick Malceski: Played well in patches. Some awful decisions made though
Peter Everitt: He is getting old. He is too slow and I'm starting to think it was a waste for him to come to Sydney.
Nic Fosdike: No comment. I don't remember seeing him
Adam Schneider: He played pretty okay.
Darren Jolly: A consistent footballer this season. Plenty of good hitouts
Micheal O'Loughlin: Was a bit quiet. I don't think he made any marks inside 50.
Luke Ablett: A fine effort from NOG once again
Leo Barry: Played well Leo Barry, but is too slow and small against Fraser Gehrig.
Jude Bolton: Ha!
Ted Richards: The Barometer is gawn. I'm missing the Teddy from round one.
Jared Crouch: His injury has really affected his fitness and all. Not a good performance and well below par of his average performance. I want the old 2005 Crouch back!
Brett Kirk: A big contributor in the first Q, but disappeared and never recovered.
Amon Buchanan: I think he needs to spend time in the 2s. His performance tonight was woeful, the worst I've seen since... I don't know. But he got pinged for holding the ball twice. Stupid decision making from Amon.
Adam Goodes: A much better player. He raked up 4 possessions in the first 10 mins of the first Q, and contributed pretty well in all 4 Q. A better Adam Goodes outfit
Paul Bevan: Um.. less than okay I guess.
Kieren Jack: Played a pretty ordinary game, but for a second gamer, a pretty good effort. But disappeared at times.
GrayNicolls
12 May 2007, 23:41
I can't give up on them either. My Dad is outside saying that they aren't going to make the 8 and all this other rubbish but i can't agree. I'm not giving up on them yet.
haha i just had a huge argument with my old man about this - i still have faith but i guess the next few weeks will tell the real story
u think they r dirty? wat about ur own! has leo barry ever earned a kick? or is he the 21st century version of steve silvagni? all he does is scrag and hold and pull. not alot of skill needed to do that. i hope u ****s get flogged and gehrig knocks out that cheating rat.:cool:
Its always a pleasure to discuss the swans with intelligent and/or genuine football supporters from other teams on this board.
in your case I'd better spell it out
DONT COME BACK.
is2SWaNz
13 May 2007, 00:08
u think they r dirty? wat about ur own! has leo barry ever earned a kick? or is he the 21st century version of steve silvagni? all he does is scrag and hold and pull. not alot of skill needed to do that. i hope u ****s get flogged and gehrig knocks out that cheating rat.:cool:
WTF. Gehrig was bloody kicking the chair so he could get into a better position. Disrespect to his trainers who always run up to them for a bottle of water. Thats dirty, and oh, his fugly ogre face. Other than that, he was good. Same with Nick Reiwoldt (sp?).
Um...we are officially struggling. Can't stress enough how important next week's game against a rampant Port side just suddenly became. :thumbsd:
is2SWaNz
13 May 2007, 00:17
Port are running hot. I'm afraid to say they'll run us all over. Our next 4 matches (Port, Bulldogs, Essendon and Hawthorn) are going to be tough. If we don't win at least 3 of these games. There isn't much hope.
Some people in RWO are already saying the premiership window is closed. A fair call though, but I believe it so too. :(
Port are running hot. I'm afraid to say they'll run us all over. Our next 4 matches (Port, Bulldogs, Essendon and Hawthorn) are going to be tough. If we don't win at least 3 of these games. There isn't much hope.
Some people in RWO are already saying the premiership window is closed. A fair call though, but I believe it so too. :(
I agree a real concern and Port will expose the fact that our midfield seems to have no pace whatsoever at the moment.
Its been long stated here that Boltons not performing and I've been backing him up, but tonight really ordinary and no contested footy to McVeigh again.
I know get to ask, what did Bevan bring to the team tonight if he was going to spend long amounts of time on the bench.
Malceski was good, along with O'Keefe and Jolly, Davis and Hall up front were pretty good and Shneids tried as did Barry but Gehrig is not a good match up for him.
I thought Shneiders goal in the last quarter emphases a problem we have, we are not crumbing often in our forward line, Instead of always rotating a player to the bench could we not get one of our running smalls to get in the forward line to keep the ball in, many time tonight (And last week) the saints ran it out of our forward line when the ball was not marked, and we don’t seem to be playing any attacking smalls at all.
I would have thought with Hall getting double-triple teamed this could be worth a go.
War Nerve
13 May 2007, 00:43
Roos has to drop Mcveigh,Bolton and Goodes imo.
I know i'll get alot of crap for saying goodes but he has been playing shit house of late and deserves to be dropped!
is2SWaNz
13 May 2007, 00:46
I agree a real concern and Port will expose the fact that our midfield seems to have no pace whatsoever at the moment.
Its been long stated here that Boltons not performing and I've been backing him up, but tonight really ordinary and no contested footy to McVeigh again.
I know get to ask, what did Bevan bring to the team tonight if he was going to spend long amounts of time on the bench.
Malceski was good, along with O'Keefe and Jolly, Davis and Hall up front were pretty good and Shneids tried as did Barry but Gehrig is not a good match up for him.
I thought Shneiders goal in the last quarter emphases a problem we have, we are not crumbing often in our forward line, Instead of always rotating a player to the bench could we not get one of our running smalls to get in the forward line to keep the ball in, many time tonight (And last week) the saints ran it out of our forward line when the ball was not marked, and we don’t seem to be playing any attacking smalls at all.
I would have thought with Hall getting double-triple teamed this could be worth a go.
I agree totally.
Jude Bolton hasn't really been playing good and consistent footy. At times he can give us some good clearances but thats all I can remember him for.
There weren't many standouts, but courtesy to ROK. He has been always playing his heart out, and we've seen this happen twice this year. Back in round 4 against the Crows. But in saying that, I also thought Davis, Malceski, Hall (to some extent) and Leo Barry (to some extent) played well.
And you're spot on about Snides snapping in the forward 50. We lack in small forwards who can use opportunites and convert them on to the scoreboard. For sure, the Swans enter their forward 50 a hundred times without much luck. We lack in those pacey goal sneaks who can snap whenever they can. ROK snapped one too, and it really lifted the team. Schenider and Buchanan usually do the crumbing, and Davis too.
We are now finding it difficult to kick it staight to our forwards. Tonight, we had many opportunities to kick for goal, but all we would ever do is kick it backwards. Kicking it backwards just results in turnovers, in Swans case that is. Also, our midfielders lacks in pace and are unable to make quick accurate decisions. We always kick it to BBBBH, but why? Tonight, there were at least 2 Saints surrounding him and we still kick it to him.
If there were 2/3 players around Hall, surely there would be two loose fowards running around screaming for the ball? But that was also courtesy to the Saint's flooding. They cogged up our forward line and left us with no real options.
Paul Roos needs to do something fast. We all know the majority of our players a 'cortinas' who aren't like Judd, Kerr and etc. But Paul Roos devises a plan that not only helps us win games, but also helped us win a premiership, even though we don't have really good individual players. We aren't a team of champions.
scottwade
13 May 2007, 00:50
Maybe, just maybe, this might be a turning point.
We have to dare to win. At present we are playing not to lose.
No longer can Roos pick his favourite 22. It is now blinding obvious the team needs to be picked on form. To play Couch and Bevan after 1 game in the reserves, after being out for weeks with injury, sends entirely the wrong message.
Tactically Roos was terrible tonight. To allow Hall to be double teamed for the whole game was diabolical. The inability to make changes and to positively affect the game was glaring.
A postive/attacking stance is critical. That means that Bevan, Crouch, Jack, Mathews cannot all be in the same team. That Kirk, McVeigh, Fosdike and Ablett have to be backed to beat, not simply nullify their opponents.
It means that genuine leg speed (Laidlaw) and another lead up option (Vogels)/or extra tall is required. The need for a small forward (Phillips/Moore) is evident.
But more than anything the mindset has to chance.
Roos has been brilliant in creating a team that thrives on the contest, but now, much like Malthouse did (in his latter days) with the WCE, he has fallen into the trap of a defensive mindset.
The next few weeks will define Roos as a coach.
SWANNIES RULE
13 May 2007, 01:12
The last 25 posts in this thread show exactly why Swans supporters are seen as bandwagoners.
A couple of losses against two in form teams, away from home and everyone's making absurd statements about our game plan being "shot" and other's saying that they've given up on this team.
Just chill out.
We weren't that far away tonight, the scoreline flatters St.Kilda. They jagged 2 goals from the same pocket on very tight angles and had almost double the amount of free kicks we had.
I do agree that guys like McVeigh and Jude need to be given a run in the reserves, just to let them and a few others know that they actually need to perform to stay in the side.
bobshoby
13 May 2007, 01:59
Port are running hot. I'm afraid to say they'll run us all over. Our next 4 matches (Port, Bulldogs, Essendon and Hawthorn) are going to be tough. If we don't win at least 3 of these games. There isn't much hope.
Some people in RWO are already saying the premiership window is closed. A fair call though, but I believe it so too. :(
If we could beat them a few weeks ago, Sydney can certainly beat them now. Port can not handle a well executed, running flood and that is your basic gameplan. Pace is almost irrelevant, quick ball movement on the rebound, precise kicking and unceasing pressure is the key.
The last 25 posts in this thread show exactly why Swans supporters are seen as bandwagoners.
Agreed. Obviously the Swans arnt playing well at the moment but that is no reason to give up on them. Remember in 2005 and 2006 the Swans didnt really switch on until around round 12. There is still plenty of time for the Swans to find their form and win a 2nd flag in 3 years.
If we could beat them a few weeks ago, Sydney can certainly beat them now. Port can not handle a well executed, running flood and that is your basic gameplan. Pace is almost irrelevant, quick ball movement on the rebound, precise kicking and unceasing pressure is the key.
We have always been capable of beating Port as even when Port were playing their best at around the 2002 and 2003 mark we were still able to beat them even though the Swans back then was not a top team. We can and we will beat Port Adelaide next week.
Hmmm. So we're 3-4? Meh. We were 4-3 in 2003, 3-4 in 2004, 3-4 in 2005, and 4-3 in 2006. So have to agree with the posters not agreeing that our season is over. Are they really saying the window is closed on RWO, Is2SWaNz? Christ that's soft. :mad:
So far we've lost to St Kilda, West Coast, Adel and the Kangas. All sides are performing very well, and apart from the Kangas who have really found something this year, all those sides have been regular top 4 sides for years now. And 3 of those 4 losses were to quality sides away from home.
We're currently missing 3 first pick defenders at the moment and have a number of players who are in the side after just coming back from injury. But there have been positives this year. Mal's form has been excellent. We've found a player in Schmidt. Jolly has taken his game to another level, and is working well with Spida, and ROK is starting to really fire up and is now beginning to kick goals again. Also lost in the drama is the fact that Leo Barry has been very good for us this year. He's been outpointed a couple of times, but his work around the backline, and on the rebound has been very good. And Tiger's form was career best before the knee injury, too. And I don't think his loss to the side has been fully factored in.
I totaly agree it's line in the sand time, though. This Port game is an absolute must win.
Corpuscles
13 May 2007, 11:04
Very disappointing.
Swans are getting beaten at their own game, and it will not be easy to change it... but are playing too defensive and not getting first possession or crumbing
Hall is not moving well, he always relied on lots of run to space. If he is double teamed he must lead decoy and they can't try to kick it on his head so regularly. Also it is time for Roosey & BBBH to get on a plane and have a 3hr meeting with Geishen... find out what is or is not allowable under the protected & hunted species mandates!
MOL also not giving enough as a key FF target. Roos has tried to put Jolly / Spider forward for grabs but just not kicked forward quickly and accurately enough to take advantage.
Swans never have and never will be able to carry passengers.... all 22 have to play well and contribute for the gameplan to work. We have about 6 in standby economy class at mo
LRT is not pretty, but his spoiling height is missed. CB & Leo have done well thus far, but can't even reach Reiwoldts elbow nor wrestle gorillas
The last 25 posts in this thread show exactly why Swans supporters are seen as bandwagoners.
I've been all my life and I was there in the early 90s when we could not win a chook raffle when we bought all the tickets.
And I will use my right my right to voice my opinion that says were not playing that well right now and that I think were not picking the ball up of the ground in our forward line and that guys like Jason Gram were to quick for us last night and exposed our weaknesses.
I’m still hoping we can turn it around this year and make a play for the top four, I'm just stating that run better come soon rather than later.
I'm not giving up or jumping off but if I’m disappointed with the way things are at the moment I’ll say so.
If Jarred McVeigh doesn't get cut i'm going to have a hissy fit.
Amen Nat. Sitting there at the game Saturday night i don't know how many times the membership hat got slammed against the railing in front or the spare seat to the side of that. One day the camera's will catch me in the act which will be highly embarrassing. :( He is playing so far off his opponent its not funny and will not commit to a contest.
Having said that i haven't seen the swans butcher the ball as much as they have been for a long long time.
The last 25 posts in this thread show exactly why Swans supporters are seen as bandwagoners.
i think most of us here have supported the swans for long enough to be considered true supporters and have membership cards that prove it.
All it shows is an expectation of performances that are of decent standard from a team we know can play better. In the early 90's no one was concerned when we had a bad game because it happened so often. Now, having being atuned to winning more games than we lose, supporters become more expectant when it comes to the performance of our club.
Look at a team like Essendon, who have been lucky enough to make the finals for god knows how many years over the last 20 years and are now in a rare slump. The supporters expect more because they only know success.