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Love the way Raines wants to run and break the lines of half back, I just wonder how much he looks up and around and is able to read the play a step before it happens.
Seems to run into trouble alot. By all means want to him to keep his attacking nature, but may have to choose his times more carefully.
Thoughts?
krustyman
12 May 2007, 18:51
raines seem to have tunnel vision when he get the ball.
Punt_Road_Roar
12 May 2007, 18:55
Delist :rolleyes:
yeah true, there needs to be more talk among everyone as well, that is contributing to the problem
SkiddyMcGhee
12 May 2007, 19:23
He seems (like a lot of other younger players) to want to take a bounce after 3 steps!
Magic17
12 May 2007, 19:27
Raines is fine.
Its the senior players that need to be put in the gun.
rfctigerarmy
12 May 2007, 19:32
I think hes been good the last few weeks.
CoggaRules
12 May 2007, 20:31
Love the way Raines wants to run and break the lines of half back, I just wonder how much he looks up and around and is able to read the play a step before it happens.
Seems to run into trouble alot. By all means want to him to keep his attacking nature, but may have to choose his times more carefully.
Thoughts?
pssst...here is a tip. I can do all the above too, but i could not make a 4th division suburban team. Food for thought. You see, a player that makes the grade at the elite level should be able to do what Raines isnt doing. i.e. knowing when its not the time to break the unbreakable line. Cant understand who is teaching these kids this shit. I mean, how often do you see a tiger take a mark or gather the ball and just handball it backwards to another tiger who standing flat footed, when a looping handball over the top would find anther tiger who is heading in the right direction. They are being taught jack at tigerland. ;)
Raines won't be playing senior footy in two years.
pssst...here is a tip. I can do all the above too, but i could not make a 4th division suburban team. Food for thought. You see, a player that makes the grade at the elite level should be able to do what Raines isnt doing. i.e. knowing when its not the time to break the unbreakable line. Cant understand who is teaching these kids this shit. I mean, how often do you see a tiger take a mark or gather the ball and just handball it backwards to another tiger who standing flat footed, when a looping handball over the top would find anther tiger who is heading in the right direction. They are being taught jack at tigerland. ;)
You seem to think you know all the answers? Why aren't you coach? :rolleyes:
CoggaRules
12 May 2007, 21:14
You seem to think you know all the answers? Why aren't you coach? :rolleyes:
because i cant coach. You see i can say that because i dont get paid money to do it. Now when it comes to others that do get paid to coach...talking about the whole "coaching" panel now, thats another story. So the only way that they can be found out is by what they produce. The results of their tutoring are for all to see. Or dont you see the results? I mean, our FL set up has just gone from the worst to the ultimate worst with the inclusion of the next big thing in Forward coaches Jade Rawlings hasnt it? I can also see a supreme imprivement in our running game with the other next big thing King. You will wake up soon enough.
Also thought that TW was a bit more innovative when it came to what it is required to build a team and a dynasty that can dominate for a decade. You see the plan is to run and run, which is the plan for all the teams. So all it comes down to is who has the best to do that.
But the teams that dominate are the ones that bring a new playing style to the table, that all others want to latch onto. and by the time they do, you have a few flags in the bag and you become a dynasty. You dont do it by "introducing" initiatives by kicking footys out to the crowd etc. ;)
ozserpico66
12 May 2007, 22:31
He seems (like a lot of other younger players) to want to take a bounce after 3 steps!
Exactly. Foley does the same thing. Dont they understand that they can run 5 or 10 metres before deciding whether a bounce is necessary. Their eyes go down when they bounce the ball and when they finally look up two or three opponents are waiting to tackle them.
Surely this is an easy fix...
ryan__4
12 May 2007, 23:19
Delist :rolleyes:
u are an idiot
Crumden
12 May 2007, 23:27
At one stage on the wing Raines took a mark and played on, running straight into a tackle. The worst part was that there were 3 Richmond players near by. IMO Raines wasn't at fault. He was doing the right thing trying to make the play. The ones at fault were the 3 players who weren't yelling out to him that he was hot. There isn't enough talk or shepherding for the ones making the play.
Bojangles17
12 May 2007, 23:36
Raines won't be playing senior footy in two years.
hmm, just like rodan couldn't play huh:rolleyes:
CoggaRules
12 May 2007, 23:40
At one stage on the wing Raines took a mark and played on, running straight into a tackle. The worst part was that there were 3 Richmond players near by. IMO Raines wasn't at fault. He was doing the right thing trying to make the play. The ones at fault were the 3 players who weren't yelling out to him that he was hot. There isn't enough talk or shepherding for the ones making the play.
so what does that suggest? You see it, I see it, others see it in the stands, so WTF do the coaching panel see and why does it still happen?
I mean, its not as if its a skill to be taught, its a simple case of telling the players to ****ing talk. I mean it shouldnt need to be taught anyway. If you were plaing footy and you were near a team mate and saw someone apparoching, its automatic to callout, your hot.
Like Rainsey your hot, get rid of it!!!! How ****ing simple a skill is that? Its not even a skill, its basic kindergarten stuff FFS WTF is going on down at Punt Rd TW?: Stop ****ing sucking our cocks dude.
I really cant believe we are talking about an AFL level team here. This stuff is basic schoolboy stuff FFS. Whats going on TW?;)
Crumden
13 May 2007, 00:06
Agree that its schoolboy stuff Cogga. But it can be drummed into players, it can be practiced, and it can be improved. It is also something that improves with confidence, something I reckon we are way down on at the moment. You could see it in the two teams in the rooms before the game and warming up again at half-time. Port looked pumped and our boys looked like they were going through the motions. I reckon Plough has a big job ahead of him getting the squads confidence back up.
CoggaRules
13 May 2007, 00:18
Agree that its schoolboy stuff Cogga. But it can be drummed into players, it can be practiced, and it can be improved. It is also something that improves with confidence, something I reckon we are way down on at the moment. You could see it in the two teams in the rooms before the game and warming up again at half-time. Port looked pumped and our boys looked like they were going through the motions. I reckon Plough has a big job ahead of him getting the squads confidence back up.
come on man, its basic stuff. Have you played footy? Its automatic that you shout to your team mate that he is hot. Its basic in all team ball sports. Now if we have to teach it to the players now, then WTF were they doing when they were playing footy as juniors? I cant get over how many times our players just fiuck it up, when truning and running into brick walls and there is a team mate or team mates not 5 meters away. Ontop of not talking, they dont even make the move to shepherd the ball carrier.
that stuff is kindergaten stuff dude, you get to this level and learn the party tricks, not the basics. ;)
Punt_Road_Roar
13 May 2007, 01:18
Perhaps its because the players are under the pump, they know it, we know it, when your under pressure you tend to miss the little things, talking could be one.
Whats one thing you notice about a team thats getting smashed? They stop talking, it has nothing to do with the coaching staff I'm sure over the past fortnight it would have been raised many of times to talk talk talk. It's clear as day it has everything to do with our experienced leaders out there.
Perfect example as Michael Voss commented on today, McGuane stuffed up which resulted in a Port goal (2nd quarter), instead of one of our experienced blokes running over to pick him up and words of encouragement heaven forbid some positive vibes, we berate him about the error.
Our leaders at this club are pi$$ weak always have been always will be. Thats the problem.
You could then blame that onto the coaches at the club for picking these gutless losers as our leaders, but it really comes down to that player to do something about it on the field.
CoggaRules
13 May 2007, 01:37
Perhaps its because the players are under the pump, they know it, we know it, when your under pressure you tend to miss the little things, talking could be one.
Whats one thing you notice about a team thats getting smashed? They stop talking, it has nothing to do with the coaching staff I'm sure over the past fortnight it would have been raised many of times to talk talk talk. It's clear as day it has everything to do with our experienced leaders out there.
Perfect example as Michael Voss commented on today, McGuane stuffed up which resulted in a Port goal (2nd quarter), instead of one of our experienced blokes running over to pick him up and words of encouragement some positive vibes, we berate him about the error.
Our leaders at this club are pi$$ weak always have been always will be. Thats the problem.
You could then blame that onto the coaches at the club for picking these gutless losers as our leaders, but it really comes down to that player to do something about it on the field.
we are talking about bacics of team sports and how an taam that plays at the elite level of its sport, lacks them.
I heard what Voss suggested and thinking about where he was and who is the "leader" in that dept who gave him the spray. Voss was indrirectly suggesting where the problem lies with the tigers. I mean, when the slumber party wake up to the Bowedens of this world, then we might begin to become a unit that is on the job for the 100 minutes of the game. He has coasted throughout his carreer, making good bucks, and knows all to well that he only needs to produce a good one every 3 weeks or so, to elongate his career, when he makes the most ****ed up **** ups ever seen by any player ever to have be a part of any leadership group of any side. Basically he IMO he if ever there was a money player, Bowden is doing it for the pay.
Which is not his fault, he didnt choose to be the son of a an ex tiger, when it wasnt really a good career move to be, so you make hay with what you got, and he has. ;)
Punt_Road_Roar
13 May 2007, 02:01
we are talking about bacics of team sports and how an taam that plays at the elite level of its sport, lacks them.
I heard what Voss suggested and thinking about where he was and who is the "leader" in that dept who gave him the spray. Voss was indrirectly suggesting where the problem lies with the tigers. I mean, when the slumber party wake up to the Bowedens of this world, then we might begin to become a unit that is on the job for the 100 minutes of the game. He has coasted throughout his carreer, making good bucks, and knows all to well that he only needs to produce a good one every 3 weeks or so, to elongate his career, when he makes the most ****ed up **** ups ever seen by any player ever to have be a part of any leadership group of any side. Basically he IMO he if ever there was a money player, Bowden is doing it for the pay.
Which is not his fault, he didnt choose to be the son of a an ex tiger, when it wasnt really a good career move to be, so you make hay with what you got, and he has. ;)
In a round about way, I agree 100% with you on this.
It really annoys me that we have no leaders at our club, we have players who contain some leadership qualities but no one who is a leader.
Imagine if we had a player that contained :
Confidence
Self Control
Discipline
High energy levels
Good Motivator
Assertiveness
encouraged and appreciated teamate efforts.
Agree that its schoolboy stuff Cogga. But it can be drummed into players, it can be practiced, and it can be improved. It is also something that improves with confidence, something I reckon we are way down on at the moment. You could see it in the two teams in the rooms before the game and warming up again at half-time. Port looked pumped and our boys looked like they were going through the motions. I reckon Plough has a big job ahead of him getting the squads confidence back up.One of the few times i will ever disagree with you Crummer
Leadership is something that you are born with ... it is an instinct ... its inherent ... it rubs off from those before you ... it`s not tangible like a f..king beep test or skin fold or verticle leap test ... greatness is not something that can be measured at a draft camp . Year after year we keep stuffing up ... Recruiting for me has to be based a lot on insticnt instead of mathematical equations ... X + Y just does not automatically equate to a premiership
Its my one true criticism of Terry Wallace and i am starting to think it is something he just does not understand ... there are introverts and extroverts in all walks of life , from the office water cooler to the whitehouse .... we consistently draft the introverts .
Buddy Franklin was considered a "risk" at the top end due to his smart @rsed attitude .... i now (with the benefit of that much hated term hindsight) rate his attitude as cockiness and confidence which currently sees him as the hottest property in footy
How much would we give to see even a hint of that at our club at the minute ....
We keep looking for the "Kane Johnson" types being bought into PuntRd. ... great .... But if you really want to look back into premiership history ... Premiership sides are made up of characters ... personalities ... extroverts ... blokes who have a downside here and there but were larger than life characters ..
Dermott ... Ryhs-Jones...Millane....Carey....Jon Brown....i even go back to the mid 80`s and a bloke like Leon Baker at Essendon ... won a premiership and was on a plane to south America 7 o`clock that night...
Who was the last player with ant sort of "character" we had at the club ?
CoggaRules
13 May 2007, 02:20
In a round about way, I agree 100% with you on this.
It really annoys me that we have no leaders at our club, we have players who contain some leadership qualities but no one who is a leader.
Imagine if we had a player that contained :
Confidence
Self Control
Discipline
High energy levels
Good Motivator
Assertiveness
encouraged and appreciated teamate efforts.
we have that player right now, but his a newbie. Polak stands head and shoulders above anyone we have had down back in the last 5 years, and that is with due respect to the players that have my respect, in Gas and Ak who forever stood in front of a tsunami.;)
hmm, just like rodan couldn't play huh:rolleyes:
Never said Rodan was any good. Still don't think Rodan is any good. Just said that people here were hurting that he is supposedly playing good footy. He's playing OK footy. Certainly nothing more than that.
Look, I may have been harsh in saying Raines won't be playing in two years. But I'll stand by it and will be happy to admit my wrongs if/when I'm proven wrong.
tiger of old
13 May 2007, 11:51
Unless he can improve in most areas of his game he will come under extreme pressure from the likes of Casserly,Collins and Clingan to keep his spot in the side within the next 2yrs.
ATM he,s very one dimentional.
Crumden
14 May 2007, 21:51
One of the few times i will ever disagree with you Crummer
Leadership is something that you are born with ... it is an instinct ... its inherent ... it rubs off from those before you ... it`s not tangible like a f..king beep test or skin fold or verticle leap test ... greatness is not something that can be measured at a draft camp . Year after year we keep stuffing up ... Recruiting for me has to be based a lot on insticnt instead of mathematical equations ... X + Y just does not automatically equate to a premiership
Its my one true criticism of Terry Wallace and i am starting to think it is something he just does not understand ... there are introverts and extroverts in all walks of life , from the office water cooler to the whitehouse .... we consistently draft the introverts .
Buddy Franklin was considered a "risk" at the top end due to his smart @rsed attitude .... i now (with the benefit of that much hated term hindsight) rate his attitude as cockiness and confidence which currently sees him as the hottest property in footy
How much would we give to see even a hint of that at our club at the minute ....
We keep looking for the "Kane Johnson" types being bought into PuntRd. ... great .... But if you really want to look back into premiership history ... Premiership sides are made up of characters ... personalities ... extroverts ... blokes who have a downside here and there but were larger than life characters ..
Dermott ... Ryhs-Jones...Millane....Carey....Jon Brown....i even go back to the mid 80`s and a bloke like Leon Baker at Essendon ... won a premiership and was on a plane to south America 7 o`clock that night...
Who was the last player with ant sort of "character" we had at the club ?I understand what you are saying Id, but I was working with what we've got. You can't do much list rebuilding mid-season, other than discard someone like Gaspar and push a bit of youth through who might have some of those qualities. Leadership is one thing, and comes in many forms. Teamwork and putting your body on the line for your mates is another. I think we are lacking a bit of that team coherency and urgency to help out a mate at the moment. Admittedly, this is largely because of lack of leadership, and the older group may be a bit of a lost cause. But younger blokes can be turned around one way or the other pretty quickly and we need to get them working together as a group better.
I reckon the players should all get out on the piss together, at the same pub another teams players are at (preferably someone they played recently so there's some pent up aggro already) and start a big all-in brawl in the pub. The club may not go for it in these pc days and there would be some negative fall-out, but you can't get a better team bonding experience. :thumbsu:
W. Smithers
15 May 2007, 15:02
Love the way Raines wants to run and break the lines of half back, I just wonder how much he looks up and around and is able to read the play a step before it happens.
Seems to run into trouble alot. By all means want to him to keep his attacking nature, but may have to choose his times more carefully.
Thoughts?
He needs to be sheparded and let known what is around him, protect the ball carrier, not stand still and watch.
astro_toby
15 May 2007, 16:03
Love the way Raines wants to run and break the lines of half back, I just wonder how much he looks up and around and is able to read the play a step before it happens.
Seems to run into trouble alot. By all means want to him to keep his attacking nature, but may have to choose his times more carefully.
Thoughts?
yes agree, he reminds me of a little dark skin fellow we once had who also had a "run first, think later" policy. apparently he went on to be a good footballer somewhere else..
raines can play, but he can be costly when he doesn't pay off. perhaps sometimes though it also doesn't help when his teammates don't do much to provide a obvious target, or sheild the opposition from him. but the point is valid
CoggaRules
16 May 2007, 01:14
yes agree, he reminds me of a little dark skin fellow we once had who also had a "run first, think later" policy. apparently he went on to be a good footballer somewhere else..
raines can play, but he can be costly when he doesn't pay off. perhaps sometimes though it also doesn't help when his teammates don't do much to provide a obvious target, or sheild the opposition from him. but the point is valid
The opposition know his game. When he made waves they didnt. Now they wait and pounce. Players like Raines need to change it up or they will be toast. This is his test and if he comes through it, he does. So far this year, his has more often than not been pantsed by his direct opponent and his strenghth, attacking footy has been nullfied. i.e he is one dimensional and that means gawwwwwwne balllllll!!!!;)