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showdownhero
14 May 2007, 06:05
Sorry crow87 I am not Perrie's #1 fan at all infact I have called for his head on numerous occasions on this board but at the moment there is absolutely no way he would be dropped. Whilst not setting the world on fire he is definately playing good consistent footy and was the only one who gave any mroe than a yelp against collingwood. He aint going anywhere and until kenny gets some form and fitness under his belt neither will he.
Wood_Duck
14 May 2007, 10:56
twice in the brisbane game for those keeping count at home...
Please dont use the Brisbane game as any sort of indicator if you are trying to talk up Perries ability. He had a shocker and looked bloody terrible. Sat night was right up there with the Essendon game for Pez. He fumbled dropped marks ran under the ball and got flogged by Brennan.
just maybe
14 May 2007, 11:23
And ill say it one more time, Kenny will consistanly kick the goals that for Perrie is a "good game" (say 2/3 goals),
No he won't. Never has. You can't guarantee that at all.
plus he will snag a 4/5 goal haul every so often (a relative miracle for Perrie),
Has done that about as much as Perrie.
And how quick we forget too. In the 2005 Finals series, Perrie was arguably our most valuable player. Was stunning at CHF, even when we got done at Subiaco.
just maybe
14 May 2007, 11:24
If the forward is still having a day out on rutten I doubt that a part time defender like Kmac would be able to stop him.
Part-time defender?
Prior to Rutten taking full-back, McGregor was our best defender and rated by several coaches as one of the best defenders in the comp. Rarely beaten.
Wood_Duck
14 May 2007, 11:31
And how quick we forget too. In the 2005 Finals series, Perrie was arguably our most valuable player. Was stunning at CHF, even when we got done at Subiaco.
From memory Matthew Clarke was very good in the 2005 final series, should he still be our number one ruckman?:rolleyes:
just maybe
14 May 2007, 11:35
From memory Matthew Clarke was very good in the 2005 final series, should he still be our number one ruckman?:rolleyes:
*sigh*
We were talking about McGregor's performance in a 2005 final.
I responded by talking about Perrie's performance in the whole 2005 finals series.
:rolleyes:
Please dont use the Brisbane game as any sort of indicator if you are trying to talk up Perries ability. He had a shocker and looked bloody terrible. Sat night was right up there with the Essendon game for Pez. He fumbled dropped marks ran under the ball and got flogged by Brennan.
It's pretty obvious you weren't at the game to make a comment as stupid as this one.
I'm the first person to admit Perrie was woefully underdone for the Essendon game (like Burton is right now - hopefully he'll similarly turn the corner soon) but to compare his game in Brisbane to that is ludicrous.
The first half he dropped a few marks, usually under pressure from Merritt who was hanging all over him, and (as usual) there were no crumbers around to take the spills. It just also happened to be the time where Bock couldn't kick straight, and Welsh & Vince refused to chase and tackle defenders running out the ball - in short the whole forward line was pretty disfunctional.
The second half move of Griffin stretching the defence blew the game open, and you must be pretty blind to criticise Perrie and the rest of the marking forwards in the second half. After the first quarter Brennan had a dead-set shocker too, the number of times he hesitated and ended up kicking to the opposition/boundary line was a joke.
Must have been a good game
Not so many Burn Neil or Burn Bock or Burn Pez threads this week :)
Wood_Duck
14 May 2007, 12:20
It's pretty obvious you weren't at the game to make a comment as stupid as this one.
I'm the first person to admit Perrie was woefully underdone for the Essendon game (like Burton is right now - hopefully he'll similarly turn the corner soon) but to compare his game in Brisbane to that is ludicrous.
The first half he dropped a few marks, usually under pressure from Merritt who was hanging all over him, and (as usual) there were no crumbers around to take the spills. It just also happened to be the time where Bock couldn't kick straight, and Welsh & Vince refused to chase and tackle defenders running out the ball - in short the whole forward line was pretty disfunctional.
The second half move of Griffin stretching the defence blew the game open, and you must be pretty blind to criticise Perrie and the rest of the marking forwards in the second half. After the first quarter Brennan had a dead-set shocker too, the number of times he hesitated and ended up kicking to the opposition/boundary line was a joke.
Congratulations on attending the game, clearly you are now an expert:rolleyes: FYI Dunstall and Lynch gave Brennan BOG for Brisbane, he was also in the best players in the Melb papers yesterday. Although I;m sure you are a better judge than anyone, you were at the game were'nt you.:rolleyes:
Perrie had 4 kicks, 4 marks, 4 handballs and 2 clangers. A few less beers next time you go to the football probably wouldnt hurt, particularly if you are going to post on here and tell other people how stupid they are. Now would be a good time to pull your head in.
Stiffy_18
14 May 2007, 12:40
Perrie bashers are becoming more and more pathetic with every passing week.
Laughable! :rolleyes:
NikkiNoo
14 May 2007, 12:47
Congratulations on attending the game, clearly you are now an expert:rolleyes: FYI Dunstall and Lynch gave Brennan BOG for Brisbane, he was also in the best players in the Melb papers yesterday. Although I;m sure you are a better judge than anyone, you were at the game were'nt you.:rolleyes:
Perrie had 4 kicks, 4 marks, 4 handballs and 2 clangers. A few less beers next time you go to the football probably wouldnt hurt, particularly if you are going to post on here and tell other people how stupid they are. Now would be a good time to pull your head in.
Wood Duck - you should know that being at a game is vastly different to what we can see on the TV.
I personally appreciate comments from people who were at the game and can see the work that happens off the ball. Sometimes players don't need the over inflated stats / possessions to actually have an impact in our TEAM game. It is how we work off the ball for our teammates that impress me often about a player. Those that sacrifice THEIR game for the good of the team are the players that I admire. They are in it for the team and not personal glory (Fevola anyone?). Not saying that this is what Perrie did but I would take information from someone that went to the game to provide me with more information to make up my own mind instead of insulting someone for bothering to provide some information that we would not be able to glean from a TV viewing. Pull your own head in. :mad:
Dunstall and Lynch started the game talking up the Brisbane players that I didn't know that there was actually going to be an Adelaide team out there. Then they had no idea who most of our players were at various times in the call. They seemed to have had no idea that we were in front and that Brisbane were behind at one stage as well so I wouldn't really trust their opinion.
Just because journalists say they were the best players they must be? Are we to agree only with the talking heads in the media? Are they the only ones that know anything about football? On your theory we should all stop posting our own opinions here and just trust the wise know it alls in the media as their opinions obviously are much greater than ours.
Wood_Duck
14 May 2007, 12:54
Perrie bashers are becoming more and more pathetic with every passing week.
Laughable! :rolleyes:
Its a matter of opinion Stiffy. I realise that you are always right, but I have a similar opinion of the Blind Perrie Adorers.
Why is it that a simple statement of fact (ie his stats for the game) has people labelled a Perrie basher.
I always enjoy reading your comments Stiff and believe you to be one of the more accurate and objective posters on big footy :o
but if you cannot agree that Pez had an ordinary night on Saturday, I'm afraid history will show you to be a Blind Perrie Adorer.;)
For the record I dont consider myself a Perrie basher. My position has always been that he is not good enough to be our key forward. We are a better team when he is playing further up the ground. IMO Kenny would be a better bet at full forward. If that makes me a Perrie basher then I guilty I am.
Congratulations on attending the game, clearly you are now an expert:rolleyes: FYI Dunstall and Lynch gave Brennan BOG for Brisbane, he was also in the best players in the Melb papers yesterday. Although I;m sure you are a better judge than anyone, you were at the game were'nt you.:rolleyes:
Perrie had 4 kicks, 4 marks, 4 handballs and 2 clangers. A few less beers next time you go to the football probably wouldnt hurt, particularly if you are going to post on here and tell other people how stupid they are. Now would be a good time to pull your head in.
Fine, I'll pull my head in, when you pull yours out of where it obviously is right now.:eek: :p
Okay, sorry, that's being a little over the top, but let's take a chill pill and look at this in a bit of context:
I didn't see the coverage, just the game live (completely sober I might add), and if Dunstall & Lynch gave Brennan Brisbane BOG fair enough, although personally what flashes of brillance I saw was outweighed by the indecisive/hesitant patches in the second half, and these two experts commentary have been pretty badly flamed in this other thread:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326473
I'm also pretty obviously sick of the Perrie bashing, and after also seeing his performance (or lack of) at the Essendon game (yes, I was at that one too :rolleyes: ) it really cheeses me off for anyone to say Saturday night was that bad - not even close. That's the big difference of being at the game - seeing the leading/sheperding/clearing space/second efforts, all the stuff that isn't televised and that was there in this game and not against Essendon.
It's not good form to let rip and I apologise for calling you stupid, but realistically the people who are continually targeting Sarge the last few weeks are really getting very annoying, even after a good win like this one.
Wood_Duck
14 May 2007, 13:02
Wood Duck - you should know that being at a game is vastly different to what we can see on the TV.
I personally appreciate comments from people who were at the game and can see the work that happens off the ball. Sometimes players don't need the over inflated stats / possessions to actually have an impact in our TEAM game. It is how we work off the ball for our teammates that impress me often about a player. Those that sacrifice THEIR game for the good of the team are the players that I admire. They are in it for the team and not personal glory (Fevola anyone?). Not saying that this is what Perrie did but I would take information from someone that went to the game to provide me with more information to make up my own mind instead of insulting someone for bothering to provide some information that we would not be able to glean from a TV viewing. Pull your own head in. :mad:
Dunstall and Lynch started the game talking up the Brisbane players that I didn't know that there was actually going to be an Adelaide team out there. Then they had no idea who most of our players were at various times in the call. They seemed to have had no idea that we were in front and that Brisbane were behind at one stage as well so I wouldn't really trust their opinion.
Just because journalists say they were the best players they must be? Are we to agree only with the talking heads in the media? Are they the only ones that know anything about football? On your theory we should all stop posting our own opinions here and just trust the wise know it alls in the media as their opinions obviously are much greater than ours.
No Nikki you missed the point all together. My point was that just because you went to the game doesnt entitle you to come out swinging just because another poster has a differing opinion. Otherwise maybe only people that went to the game should be allowed to post their opinions???
I rarely use football commentators as a reference but in this instance couldnt help myself given that they shared my opinion. As I posted elsewhere, the commentary whas terrible but surely the likes of Dunstall and Lynch's opinions cannot totally be discounted. Having not been to the game myself I am probably more inclined to listen to those guys rather than a one eyed crows suuporter with no creds at all.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 13:04
So you have no problem listening to two commentators who kept talking up Brisbane while hardly mentioning that other side out there but you won't listen to a Crow supporter?
Fine, I'll pull my head in, when you pull yours out of where it obviously is right now.:eek: :p
Okay, sorry, that's being a little over the top, but let's take a chill pill and look at this in a bit of context:
I didn't see the coverage, just the game live (completely sober I might add), and if Dunstall & Lynch gave Brennan Brisbane BOG fair enough, although personally what flashes of brillance I saw was outweighed by the indecisive/hesitant patches in the second half, and these two experts commentary have been pretty badly flamed in this other thread:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326473
I'm also pretty obviously sick of the Perrie bashing, and after also seeing his performance (or lack of) at the Essendon game (yes, I was at that one too :rolleyes: ) and it really cheeses me off for anyone to say Saturday night was that bad - not even close. That's the big difference of being at the game - seeing the leading/sheperding/clearing space/second efforts, all the stuff that isn't televised and that was there in this game and not against Essendon.
It's not good form to let rip and I apologise for calling you stupid, but realistically the people who are continually targeting Sarge the last few weeks are really getting very annoying, even after a good win like this one.
Ok, sorry guys, I'm probably responsible for the start-up of this enthusiastic dicussion after saying how Kenny is unlucky not to be in the side atm. Also I thought that after a win might be a good time to voice some thoughts of this manner, as after a win everyone seems to jump on the back of someone (usually Pez), hence a good time for some objective thoughts. For the record, Im not a Perrie basher and actually defended him after the Essendon game, we had alot of other players who didnt contribute that day and Sarge was clearly not 100%. I also must admit to some bias here, I wear the #16 on my back to games so perhaps my views of Kenny are through rose-coloured glasses. I just think that Kenny is in our best 22 each week and that Perrie would be the logical substitution for K-Mac (would you want both in the fwdline?!:o). Its not that I want Sarge dropped, its just that if you put Kenny and Sarge next to each other for selection I would pick Kenny every day of the week.
Wood_Duck
14 May 2007, 13:07
So you have no problem listening to two commentators who kept talking up Brisbane while hardly mentioning that other side out there but you won't listen to a Crow supporter?
Absolutely, regardless of how bad their commentary was they have over 500 games of AFL experience between them. For all I know n4sir played mini league at half time.
Stiffy_18
14 May 2007, 13:11
Its a matter of opinion Stiffy. I realise that you are always right, but I have a similar opinion of the Blind Perrie Adorers.
Why is it that a simple statement of fact (ie his stats for the game) has people labelled a Perrie basher.
I always enjoy reading your comments Stiff and believe you to be one of the more accurate and objective posters on big footy :o
but if you cannot agree that Pez had an ordinary night on Saturday, I'm afraid history will show you to be a Blind Perrie Adorer.;)
For the record I dont consider myself a Perrie basher. My position has always been that he is not good enough to be our key forward. We are a better team when he is playing further up the ground. IMO Kenny would be a better bet at full forward. If that makes me a Perrie basher then I guilty I am.
Well for starters, I am not a stats guy, or in basketball terms, I am not a boxscore whore. I go by what I see with my own two eyes rather than point to the stats.
Secondly, I thought all our forwards were poor in the first half of the Brisbane game but Perrie was VERY good in the second half. He does a lot of work that doesn't get rewarded with stats, little things that bring others around him into the game and make us a better team overall.
I also never said I like Perrie as a deep forward. I like him as a lead up HF. I also prefer Kenny as a big out of the goal square but Perrie is more comfortable further up the ground.
On Brennan, I thought he was pretty average. His disposal at times was disasterous.
As I said many times before, I see Perrie as the ultimate role player. He will never be a star but he is the first player that will sacrifice his game and his well being for a team. He will never squib a contest and will always go in hard even when he will end up hurt (See Freo game at Subi last year). People that love to bash players like Perrie, Shirley et al. do not realise that in team sports role players are just as important to team success as the stars.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 13:11
Absolutely, regardless of how bad their commentary was they have over 500 games of AFL experience between them. For all I know n4sir played mini league at half time.
Just because they are experienced players doesn't mean they are decent commentators, they got so many names wrong it was embarrassing!!
You seem to be another one of those serial whingers who gets no enjoyment out of footy yet you still watch it so you can bitch about it with people on the internet. Welldone young man.
Well for starters, I am not a stats guy, or in basketball terms, I am not a boxscore whore. I go by what I see with my own two eyes rather than point to the stats.
Secondly, I thought all our forwards were poor in the first half of the Brisbane game but Perrie was VERY good in the second half. He does a lot of work that doesn't get rewarded with stats, little things that bring others around him into the game and make us a better team overall.
I also never said I like Perrie as a deep forward. I like him as a lead up HF. I also prefer Kenny as a big out of the goal square but Perrie is more comfortable further up the ground.
On Brennan, I thought he was pretty average. His disposal at times was disasterous.
As I said many times before, I see Perrie as the ultimate role player. He will never be a star but he is the first player that will sacrifice his game and his well being for a team. He will never squib a contest and will always go in hard even when he will end up hurt (See Freo game at Subi last year). People that love to bash players like Perrie, Shirley et al. do not realise that in team sports role players are just as important to team success as the stars.
Nice to know at least someone else here saw what I saw out there. :thumbsu:
Wood_Duck
14 May 2007, 13:27
Just because they are experienced players doesn't mean they are decent commentators, they got so many names wrong it was embarrassing!!
You seem to be another one of those serial whingers who gets no enjoyment out of footy yet you still watch it so you can bitch about it with people on the internet. Welldone young man.
Actually I said that their commentary sucked, but that I still repect their opinions. As commentators, yes they were embarassing, Dunstall in particular was a giant pain in the arse. His opinions on football matters though probably have some cedibility.
As for serial whinger you are completely wrong. If you dont like what I have to say dont read it, certainly dont waste my time and yours by replying with your ill informed crap.
Wood_Duck
14 May 2007, 13:28
Nice to know at least someone else here saw what I saw out there. :thumbsu:
Oooh thats so cute guys.:p
Wood_Duck
14 May 2007, 13:33
As I said many times before, I see Perrie as the ultimate role player. He will never be a star .
Carefull mate someone is just as likely to climb all over you like a rabid doberman for being so derogatory.:rolleyes:
King Elvis
14 May 2007, 14:24
In my opinion, Welsh is currently more of a concern than Perrie; as I said, I believe a couple of last quarter goals flattered him.
And Bock doesn't look fantastic down forward at the moment either.
Stevens once again looked more impressive down back.
What about a forward line of;
McGregor - Roo - Bode
Thomson - Perrie - Burton
Or something similar? With Bock either swapping with Kenny/Perrie, or going down back? Maybe Roo on a HFF and a FF line of Bock/Kenny/Bode?
Perrie dropped too many marks for my liking on the weekend, but he presented very well and showed enough signs that if he can get a bit of freedom to roam around the CHF/Square area, he'll return value.
Also keep in mind that a fit McGregor will probably draw a better defender, which will obviously make Perrie's life easier.
Still, a fully fit Kenny vs a fully fit Perrie, I'd be inclined to take Kenny.
As I said many times before, I see Perrie as the ultimate role player. He will never be a star
Carefull mate someone is just as likely to climb all over you like a rabid doberman for being so derogatory.:rolleyes:
I don't see why anyone in their right mind would object to what Stiffy has said here - it's objective, and it's right on the money.
What I am sick of are the comments week in, week out, that Perrie should be dropped to make way for a rookie or a veteran coming back from injury and looking for form - that isn't objective at all. If Perrie's form was as crap as the game against Essendon and we had less injuries it maybe worth considering.
I was initially answering your comment that Sarge was as bad as the game against Essendon and that Brennan gave him an absolute bath, two things that I strongly disagree with. That doesn't make me the biggest Perrie fan on earth, but it does make your comments that help fuel the continual Perrie slaggings look pretty unfair.
Southerntakeover
14 May 2007, 15:51
I don't see why anyone in their right mind would object to what Stiffy has said here - it's objective, and it's right on the money.
What I am sick of are the comments week in, week out, that Perrie should be dropped to make way for a rookie or a veteran coming back from injury and looking for form - that isn't objective at all. If Perrie's form was as crap as the game against Essendon and we had less injuries it maybe worth considering.
I was initially answering your comment that Sarge was as bad as the game against Essendon and that Brennan gave him an absolute bath, two things that I strongly disagree with. That doesn't make me the biggest Perrie fan on earth, but it does make your comments that help fuel the continual Perrie slaggings look pretty unfair.
:thumbsu: I agree. Perrie has been our best forward all year yet we all still want to drop him.
Perries much maligned Essendon game was really just a matter of confidence in his goal kicking. If hed kicked straight, he had three goals and a good game. At the moment he seems to have his confidence back, so maybe people can stop using that game as an advantage.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 17:42
I would love to see Welsh keep that workrate up every single week, it was a big improvement. He even did some nice things up the ground, that big strong mark he took above his head in the middle of the ground which was followed up by a lace out pass to a leading Griff was superb.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 17:51
That really was something. Made me wonder how he'd go as a winger.
haaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha
Craig if you are reading this, against Richmond I want Shirley as a crumbing forward with Welsh on the wing. :rolleyes:
Wood_Duck
14 May 2007, 18:11
haaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha
Craig if you are reading this, against Richmond I want Shirley as a crumbing forward with Welsh on the wing. :rolleyes:
Give it a rest. Unless you are prepared to tell us all on what credentials you assert your superiority complex.
Southerntakeover
14 May 2007, 18:51
haaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha
Craig if you are reading this, against Richmond I want Shirley as a crumbing forward with Welsh on the wing. :rolleyes:
Dont forget, we're dropping Perrie for Kenny. :p
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 18:54
Give it a rest. Unless you are prepared to tell us all on what credentials you assert your superiority complex.
Ok so you think Welsh could be a wingman? every post of yours is some whiney whingey negative shite, I see you are mates with the dreamer who seems to spit out some very strange posts which don't make much sense.
Southerntakeover, thanks I forgot about that.. Ken's 3 goals are better than Perrie's 3 goals afterall :)
Wood_Duck
14 May 2007, 19:09
Ok so you think Welsh could be a wingman? every post of yours is some whiney whingey negative shite, I see you are mates with the dreamer who seems to spit out some very strange posts which don't make much sense.
Southerntakeover, thanks I forgot about that.. Ken's 3 goals are better than Perrie's 3 goals afterall :)
You are very quick to take the piss out of the likes of FD for voicing his opinions yet you are unable to come up with anything useful yourself. Your posts are boring, unintelligent, poorly written and stink of someone who needs a job.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 19:32
You are very quick to take the piss out of the likes of FD for voicing his opinions yet you are unable to come up with anything useful yourself. Your posts are boring, unintelligent, poorly written and stink of someone who needs a job.
So you want me to continually come up with ideas of where different players can play? Can you tell me what the point of that is exactly? I am not forced you to read my posts anyway so if you do find them boring and unintelligent why do you even bother replying? Every post you seem to make is negative shit anyway which must say a lot about you. You wouldn't exactly be a lot of fun to hang around little one!
Good evening all
Going back a few posts...why is it that Goodwin, Edwards and Thompson can play forward for a time or drift forward from the midfield, but Shirley can't?
I can think of a few possible reasons:
- Shirley is more of a stoppage-player than a crumber, and he is played in the middle more because there tend to be more stoppages there than up forward
- he doesn't seem to be as long a kick as the others named above
- he is often played as a tagger, which dictates where he will be
- he is considered as a defensive player, and not suited to any kind of forward role
These might be balanced by:
- in Bode's absence, we could do with a stoppage-player / good tackler up forward
Is that fair?
(This is my 1st post here, so please be nice.)
SpringChoke
14 May 2007, 20:13
Perrie bashers are becoming more and more pathetic with every passing week.
Laughable! :rolleyes:
**sheepishly puts hand up****He has been one of our most consistent forward this year. You will never win a premiership with the Pez as your primary focal point but you can never question his commitment or desire. I have a feeling he is one of those "Best team Man" types that will never win a Brownlow but is crucial to a teams fabric.
Crow-mo
14 May 2007, 23:33
FYI Dunstall and Lynch gave Brennan BOG for Brisbane, he was also in the best players in the Melb papers yesterday.
you might want a logic check here.
Brennan got BOG for beating Pez. OK, with you so far. But I am not sure how logical it is to suggest that means Pez is rubbish - surely you only get credit for doing a job, when it is an important job?
the inference is rather obvious, that the job Brennan did in stopping Pez was the best performance by a Brisbane player. Sounds like Dunstall, Lynch and the Melb papers rate Pez reasonably highly?
no? :)
Crow-mo
14 May 2007, 23:34
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Crow-mo
14 May 2007, 23:35
So you have no problem listening to two commentators who kept talking up Brisbane while hardly mentioning that other side out there but you won't listen to a Crow supporter?
:D :thumbsu:
I would love to see Welsh keep that workrate up every single week, it was a big improvement. He even did some nice things up the ground, that big strong mark he took above his head in the middle of the ground which was followed up by a lace out pass to a leading Griff was superb.
He has actually been doing this...pretty sure I mentioned a few games ago that he seemed to be doing the Perrie run to the wing and back and drag the defender out
Crow-mo
14 May 2007, 23:49
So you're telling me that it would be stupid to rest Shirley up forward when he would otherwise be on the bench? You (and all the others for that matter) are acting as if I've said we should throw Shirley down forward for a full game. I don't see the harm in doing what I have suggested. o_O
yes it would be stupid.
the point of rotation is to rest a player so he can run it out at full tilt as a higher % of his time on the ball. if he has enough left in the tank, he stays on the ball. rotation is about doing exactly the opposite of this.
what you are asking for is to ditch the rotation policy.
Crow-mo
14 May 2007, 23:52
I would replacePerrie with him because surely you couldnt play Ken and Sarge in the same fwdline.
why not? they've played an awful lot together, and very well at times.
there is nothing incompatible about their style of play.
you might want a logic check here.
Brennan got BOG for beating Pez. OK, with you so far. But I am not sure how logical it is to suggest that means Pez is rubbish - surely you only get credit for doing a job, when it is an important job?
the inference is rather obvious, that the job Brennan did in stopping Pez was the best performance by a Brisbane player. Sounds like Dunstall, Lynch and the Melb papers rate Pez reasonably highly?
no? :)
Interesting to see on Footy Classified last night the coaches' votes in the Wizard POY award - Lethal & NC gave Knights BOG, followed by Mcleod, Goodwin, Edwards & Adcock. Brennan didn't get a vote.
It's only five players, but still sounds a bit different to Dunstall & Lynch's take. Did anyone make a note of the Sunday Footy Show votes to see if they were any different?
Wood_Duck
15 May 2007, 09:41
Interesting to see on Footy Classified last night the coaches' votes in the Wizard POY award - Lethal & NC gave Knights BOG, followed by Mcleod, Goodwin, Edwards & Adcock. Brennan didn't get a vote.
It's only five players, but still sounds a bit different to Dunstall & Lynch's take. Did anyone make a note of the Sunday Footy Show votes to see if they were any different?
They gave Adcock votes. None for Brennan. Incidentally I thought Adcock was their best as well. In my opinion though Brennan easily beat Pez, the fact that others eg Lynch and Dunstall thought Brennan was Brisbanes best player would tend to back up that theory.
Pez did not have a great game, you are in denial if you think otherwise.
Wood_Duck
15 May 2007, 09:42
you might want a logic check here.
Brennan got BOG for beating Pez. OK, with you so far. But I am not sure how logical it is to suggest that means Pez is rubbish - surely you only get credit for doing a job, when it is an important job?
the inference is rather obvious, that the job Brennan did in stopping Pez was the best performance by a Brisbane player. Sounds like Dunstall, Lynch and the Melb papers rate Pez reasonably highly?
no? :)
Your point is?
NikkiNoo
15 May 2007, 11:14
Rewatched the first half yesterday and Merritt seemed to spend the majority of the time on Perrie, Brennan was on him for a little bit when he was leading up the wing but that was it that I could see. Will have to watch the second half soon to see if the match up stayed the same.
They gave Adcock votes. None for Brennan. Incidentally I thought Adcock was their best as well. In my opinion though Brennan easily beat Pez, the fact that others eg Lynch and Dunstall thought Brennan was Brisbanes best player would tend to back up that theory.
Pez did not have a great game, you are in denial if you think otherwise.
Pez had a purple patch in the 3rd quarter, and as Stiffy mentioned was very good in the second half. His first half was very ordinary when the marks/pick ups didn't stick, but I thought Bock's innacuracy was just as frustrating, and Welsh & Vince's lazy spectating while the ball was being cleared much worse. Overall the forward line was patchy but did enough on the night to get the win which is what really counts. There's no way I'd rate Perrie anywhere near our best players on the day, but there's no way I'd compare it to the trash he served up against Essendon either, which was what you initially did and what I replied to.
In regard to Brennan, there was a fair chunk of time during the game that he wasn't on Perrie at all - Merritt was during the regular rotations. Brennan seemed to be trying to imitate the roaming/loose style of Chad Cornes which which worked pretty well during the first half, but some of his poor decisions/disposals really stood out to me in the second half which probably resulted in my less than flattering impression. I was honestly more than a little surprised to hear Dunstall & Lynch rated him so highly, and it was backed by the Melbourne papers.
It's a similar story for Jericho too - in hindsight his game was actually pretty solid, nothing really spectacular but no 'rabbit in spotlight' moments either and the one bad turnover at our end of the ground left me pretty nonplussed at the time. Overall that's a bit unfair in his comeback game, and hopefully it's a solid start that he can build on this week. :thumbsu:
King Elvis
15 May 2007, 12:22
Brennan tried to do what Bassett does, but did it nowhere near as well.
And he looks like an absolute knobhead with that haircut; I was hoping Perrie punched him in the face just for that.
johnnypanther
15 May 2007, 12:53
I would replace Perrie with him because surely you couldnt play Ken and Sarge in the same fwdline.
On the contrary, IMO Sarge & Kenny play forward line roles that complement each other - ie Sarge plays better as a roaming forward dragging defenders ragged all over the ground whereas Kenny is better as a stay at home marking forward around the goal square.
Sarge has been our best forward this year IMO - I would suggest more worrying is the form of Bock (3 shithouse performances in a row) & Welsh (who seems better running around the half forward/wing area).
I still believe Bock is a dead set attacking CHB and not a forward (although throwing him forward sometimes is ok).
To bring Kenny in the side makes us top heavy - i would think one of Stevens/Bock/Perrie would have to be dropped for that to happen.
However, IMO it is not the big man problem but rather the biggest deficiency in the forward lines is the lack of crumbers/defensive pressure players such as the Davey brothers who can either crumb or have the pace and desire to chase and tackle properly. Unfortunately, that is a playing list problem and we have nobody in the squad to do that fully - Bode is the nearest but lacks pace, none of the others (Vince, Porps, etc are that type of player) - not real crumbers and certainly lack pace.
PS Sarge is the 1st forward i would pick in our team
Crow-mo
15 May 2007, 19:53
Your point is?
lol
perhaps a native english speaker can translate for you :thumbsu:
Crow-mo
15 May 2007, 19:57
Pez did not have a great game, you are in denial if you think otherwise.
as opposed to jumping out of the bushes every time he has a down week, yelling "aha". and being strangely silent the rest of the time?
that sort of denial? :D
Wayne's-World
15 May 2007, 20:11
Wasn't going to start a new thread but a bit of trivia information:
Apparently the Brisbane win was the 200th win in the clubs history :thumbsu: :)
ams4crows
15 May 2007, 22:20
Wasn't going to start a new thread but a bit of trivia information:
Apparently the Brisbane win was the 200th win in the clubs history :thumbsu: :)
Really? Is it just me or does it seem that we've won more than that?
Wood_Duck
15 May 2007, 22:56
as opposed to jumping out of the bushes every time he has a down week, yelling "aha". and being strangely silent the rest of the time?
that sort of denial? :D
You seem to be the expert at jumping out of the bushes Crow mo. Wear a long coat do you?:D
By the way I have made my opinion on Perries value pretty clear on many occassions. If your memory hasnt conveniently left you, you may recall discussing Pez with me last week when he apparently had a good game.:confused:
I guess I could just roll along with popular opinion like a fair few others around here, waiting to ambush someone for (shock horror:eek: ) having a different view without actually having an oppinion myself?
I've got an idea, I'll just wait for Stiffy, Macca23, DT or Mad Dog to post their opinions and agree with them in future. Then what would you do Crow mo. You'd have to spend all day trolling the PAP board to find someone you disagree with. ;)
Southerntakeover
15 May 2007, 23:10
I guess I could just roll along with popular opinion like a fair few others around here, waiting to ambush someone for (shock horror:eek: ) having a different view without actually having an oppinion myself?
I've got an idea, I'll just wait for Stiffy, Macca23, DT or Mad Dog to post their opinions and agree with them in future. Then what would you do Crow mo. You'd have to spend all day trolling the PAP board to find someone you disagree with. ;)
Thats right man, fight the power.
You know, on this board opinions become popular for a reason ;)
You seem to be the expert at jumping out of the bushes Crow mo. Wear a long coat do you?:D
By the way I have made my opinion on Perries value pretty clear on many occassions. If your memory hasnt conveniently left you, you may recall discussing Pez with me last week when he apparently had a good game.:confused:
I guess I could just roll along with popular opinion like a fair few others around here, waiting to ambush someone for (shock horror:eek: ) having a different view without actually having an oppinion myself?
I've got an idea, I'll just wait for Stiffy, Macca23, DT or Mad Dog to post their opinions and agree with them in future. Then what would you do Crow mo. You'd have to spend all day trolling the PAP board to find someone you disagree with. ;)
W_D, if this was meant as a thinly veiled barb at me (among others) all I can do is yet again re-state this wasn't a personal ambush: just a response to your certain blunt statement that I thought was pretty unfair given what I saw on the day (especially to the previous event it was being directly compared to), simple as that. Have a good read of my previous posts and (like the mods) you'll have a pretty good idea where I'm coming from.
If not, and I'm reading a little too much in this last post I'm sorry it's gone down this path, but I also hope you realise from the way this thread has evolved there are some pretty valid grounds for my initial reaction and further comments too. If you can't accept either of the above I really can't see why I should even bother treating your arrogance with any respect, and sink the boots in like everyone else.
After a win like this I really don't understand what everyone's bitching to each other about anyway - it was a great and (for many of us) unexpected win by the team, and that's all that really counts.
Wood_Duck
15 May 2007, 23:52
W_D, if this was meant as a thinly veiled barb at me (among others) all I can do is yet again re-state this wasn't a personal ambush: just a response to your certain blunt statement that I thought was pretty unfair given what I saw on the day (especially to the previous event it was being directly compared to), simple as that. Have a good read of my previous posts and (like the mods) you'll have a pretty good idea where I'm coming from.
If not, and I'm reading a little too much in this last post I'm sorry it's gone down this path, but I also hope you realise from the way this thread has evolved there are some pretty valid grounds for my initial reaction and further comments too. If you can't accept either of the above I really can't see why I should even bother treating your arrogance with any respect, and sink the boots in like everyone else.
After a win like this I really don't understand what everyone's bitching to each other about anyway - it was a great and (for many of us) unexpected win by the team, and that's all that really counts.
To be honest mate, it had nothing to do with you. I enjoyed the win as much as anyone else.
At least you had the good sense to have a think about your post and approach your next one a little differently. I am happy to argue with you anyday;)
On the contrary, IMO Sarge & Kenny play forward line roles that complement each other - ie Sarge plays better as a roaming forward dragging defenders ragged all over the ground whereas Kenny is better as a stay at home marking forward around the goal square.
Sarge has been our best forward this year IMO - I would suggest more worrying is the form of Bock (3 shithouse performances in a row) & Welsh (who seems better running around the half forward/wing area).
I still believe Bock is a dead set attacking CHB and not a forward (although throwing him forward sometimes is ok).
To bring Kenny in the side makes us top heavy - i would think one of Stevens/Bock/Perrie would have to be dropped for that to happen.
However, IMO it is not the big man problem but rather the biggest deficiency in the forward lines is the lack of crumbers/defensive pressure players such as the Davey brothers who can either crumb or have the pace and desire to chase and tackle properly. Unfortunately, that is a playing list problem and we have nobody in the squad to do that fully - Bode is the nearest but lacks pace, none of the others (Vince, Porps, etc are that type of player) - not real crumbers and certainly lack pace.
PS Sarge is the 1st forward i would pick in our team
A few thoughts:
- I spose they could both play in the same fwdline, Ken would/should be played more out of the square or in the forward pocket (closer to goal) whereas Perrie does prefer to be up the ground more. However as you say this makes us top heavy, and this is what I was thinking. I also agree that we are missing a key crumber, we're missing Bodey but he is not the ultimate answer, how many times does the ball go in and straight back out, (Welsh Im looking at you're workrate here somewhat).
- Yes we would probably have to drop a big man to play Kenny (i think hes in our best 22), wouldnt like to see them drop Bock, too good even though hes had a few shockers lately. That leaves Perrie and Stevens from those you have mentioned and its a bit of a toss of th coin, for me stevens gets the nod because he can play more than one role. I dont have anything against Perrie ok?!
-Perrie seems to get overly criticised and also overly talked up, he's not our greatest player but neither is he our worst player, to be realistic hes probably one of the "last 6" (not selected but as far as ability goes). Everyone needs to give it a rest, people are allowed to criticise him, but sometimes need to realise when they're going over the top, other players who are criticised play better games than him and dont get so rigourously defended (if at all). I realise this has alot to do with how much criticism he has come under throughout his career-especially of late.
-I havnt posted on here too much, but it seems like some people tend to jump down each others throats rather quickly, just because someone does not share their view (whats the point of any discussion, could just talk to yourself) especially given we're all barracking for the same team (I think) and want the same thing, for the afc to succeed! I mean, people from all other clubs-Port, Collingwood, whoever get on fine in the various DT threads (helping each other out, basic civilities!) whats going on?
Crow-mo
16 May 2007, 01:48
You seem to be the expert at jumping out of the bushes Crow mo. Wear a long coat do you?:D
"no, you do". been a few years since I've heard that retort ;)
By the way I have made my opinion on Perries value pretty clear on many occassions. If your memory hasnt conveniently left you, you may recall discussing Pez with me last week when he apparently had a good game.:confused:
you've made your views clear over a number of years, and to be fair, rain, shine, good form, and all evidence to the contrary you've never wavered.
ps. that's not a good thing.
I guess I could just roll along with popular opinion like a fair few others around here, waiting to ambush someone for (shock horror:eek: ) having a different view without actually having an oppinion myself?
Big ups for you. not everyone can ignore all evidence whilst recalcitrantly holding a contrary view. :thumbsu:
I've got an idea, I'll just wait for Stiffy, Macca23, DT or Mad Dog to post their opinions and agree with them in future. Then what would you do Crow mo. You'd have to spend all day trolling the PAP board to find someone you disagree with. ;)
a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Wood_Duck
16 May 2007, 09:57
Big ups for you. not everyone can ignore all evidence whilst recalcitrantly holding a contrary view. :thumbsu:
So the opinions of a handful of posters on this board is "evidence" now is it? FFS Crow-mo just because you or anyone else has has an opinion on something doesnt actually make it fact.
Just out of interest which bit has you so agrieved?
He didnt have a poor game on Sat night?
or
You think he is a better full forward than a half forward?
Please elaborate on which of these positions I have gotten so ridiculously wrong?
beartoo
16 May 2007, 19:42
I'm busy at present and only get on this board about once a week, so here's my 2 cents worth...Jericho was good in his 1st game back. Sure, he had only 15 possessions, but he spent half the game or more on the bench. Cut him some slack, Craig probably won't drop him, he usually gives a player a few games once he brings him in. Let's see how LJ goes in the next while before bagging him.
Welsh had a beauty IMO. Lots of 1 percenters, lots of hard chasing.
Bernie Vince needs to go back to the SANFL for a few games at least. He is a future gun player, but at present is just off the pace. Decision making under pressure is suss, but doesn't he have great, quick hands when he does do the reflex thing? Also, on the upside at present, he chases and tackles his heart out.
Perrie didn't have a lot of touches, but gave everything as always. He was on a very handy footballer and maybe that made it easier for the other forwards. I was disappointed in Bock's game. He couldn't seem to get into it. Maybe he was well held, not sure. Got a few kicks up the ground and acted as link man on occasion. Wouldn't mind seeing him back in defence if and when Roo or Kenny come back.
This was great win for the AFC. Surprised anyone thinks otherwise.
Wayne's-World
16 May 2007, 20:13
Really? Is it just me or does it seem that we've won more than that?
There was a bloke here on Melb radio giving out all sorts of trivia such as how many players have kicked 6 goals in round 7 in the history of the game ....how many had repeated the effort in round 7 ...and so on.
The Crows statistic was one of many little trivia pieces given ...
King Elvis
16 May 2007, 21:41
There are way too many threads in this forum lately that are turning into pathetic, petty little arguments amongst ourselves.
It's shit, lift your game.