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Wayne's-World
13 May 2007, 10:43
I must be going strange because last night I wasn't as impressed as the previous two weeks losses :confused:
But how can that be we lost those and won last night? .........hopefully I can explain...
IF brisbane had of been able to kick straight the game would have been closer ......I also suspect the youngsters of Brisbane had more trouble handling our gameplan than we did theirs. Last week Collingwood not only matched our gameplan but theirs was superior to ours on the day.
Our handballing and kicking skills last night as a comparison with our normal standard was deplorable yet Brisbane were unable to capitalize. Handballs were sloppy, throws in some cases, certainly not punchy handballs and our kicking regularly missed by a long way.
Lastly Goodwin, Macleod, and Edwards fantastic games ....Bassett strong as always, Welsh a great 150 game BUT they are the older blokes and we at present are still depending too much on these guys .......yes with our injuries we needed to see the leadership group stand up ....and they certainly did .....but Iam looking at the next level behind them....
However we are back in the race and when you consider the average form, and monumental injuries to be 4-3 and with Richmond (is it worth turning up) we have overcome what was a very difficult draw under difficult injury pressures.
Griffin: this guy is growing (not literally) week by week. When positioned as a forward he looked our most dangerous forward in the third qtr. He has pace, can leap, can take a grab and has a bit of good ol fashion footy nous which IMO if I were picking the side ....I would have him even now over Macgregor as a Key forwrd option when Maric comes into the side as Hudsons ruck partner.
He is a very difficult matchup because those with the height wont match him for pace.
Knights: Has to be a rising star after this performance and the consistency over several weeks. What impresed me was not only his ability to remain cool under pressure ( not a trait he showed in early games) but he was also able to think thru situations and change his delivery options whilst staying in control of the situation.
His disposals are improving as we all had hoped.
Goodwin: Back to the good of old .....his ability to read the ball off hands of a loose ball ....swoop and deliver with precision and length of kicks is what has made him a champion of the club and an AA.
Macleod: Is setting up all our plays ......and to think when Stiffy gets back that will make the attack off HB even more dangerous and Macleod harder to shut down.
IMO in career best form and he is oozing confidence believing no-one can stop him.
Doughty: after an ordinary season he was back to his reliable self last night
Birdman: Still IMO not worth playing him ......he has and is demonstrating that he cannot play with injury .....his game is built around athleticism and leaping ...take those away and he's a vanilla skinny 183cm player.
Vince: Useful is probably the best description ......is that enough or is that what we should expect in his second season .....I tend to think he gets the benefit of any doubt at this stage.
Van Berlo: Probably played as a stopper last night but Iam a little disappointed not to be seeing his display his strengths of hard running and long precise kicking ....had a lot of handballs last night.
Shirley: Very impressive last night, is attcking more which has been a criticism I have had of him......ATM he's the glue in our midfield.
Douglas: Disappointed .....Iam not seeing any improvement as I do with Griffin. Being small AND thin his lack of body weight for the game the Crows play is disadvantaging him ....but Iam still disappointed with his decision making ATM under pressure.
Jericho: As those who have read my posts I have been a supporter of Jerichos potential and believed he should get another chance ......well I've seen a Westies game and last nights and that's enough .......GET RID OF HIM.
He clearly is not hungry enough .....not desperate enough ....and his show pony antics are better suited to SANFL.
Stevens: Ordinary game last week but back to his good output last night .....shows more adaptability again than McGregor and is a better footy thinker on the field. As you can tell the signs for Kenny are not good.
Macca19
13 May 2007, 10:59
Knights: Has to be a rising star after this performance and the consistency over several weeks.
Ineligible.
relapse
13 May 2007, 12:25
I must be going strange because last night I wasn't as impressed as the previous two weeks losses :confused:
But how can that be we lost those and won last night? .........hopefully I can explain...
IF brisbane had of been able to kick straight the game would have been closer
I find that point interesting as we scored 14-16 to 9-15 so essentially we had five more scoring shots than Brisbane.
I dont know how anyone could have been impressed with our effort against Collingwood especially at home, and how someone could have been less impressed winning away against a reasonable side in reasonable form with us having a huge injury list and being huge underdogs and having a shocker at home the week before.
fantastic_crows
13 May 2007, 12:38
It was a much better performance than last week.
We got absolutely dominated by Collingwood, should have been smashed by about 50 or 60 points but we bounced back and beat a top 3 team on their own turf, which also happens to be somewhere we have an extremely poor record.
I dont know how anyone can not be impressed by our performance last night
Wayne's-World
13 May 2007, 15:43
I find that point interesting as we scored 14-16 to 9-15 so essentially we had five more scoring shots than Brisbane.
I dont know how anyone could have been impressed with our effort against Collingwood especially at home, and how someone could have been less impressed winning away against a reasonable side in reasonable form with us having a huge injury list and being huge underdogs and having a shocker at home the week before.
Didn't say it made any sense ;)
Kane McGoodwin
13 May 2007, 16:16
Lastly Goodwin, Macleod, and Edwards fantastic games ....Bassett strong as always, Welsh a great 150 game BUT they are the older blokes and we at present are still depending too much on these guys .......yes with our injuries we needed to see the leadership group stand up ....and they certainly did .....but Iam looking at the next level behind them....
I actually feel more comfortable that we have the younger guys coming through. I was really impressed with Knights & Thompson. Confident VB & Douglas will be quality players to replace the older crew when they give it away.
Stiffy didn't play last night, so he is a handy replacement for the ageless Macca.
As for the next Hound, not sure, but our defence has always been strong.
Leigh Matthews thoughts on the game (http://ninemsn.sportal.com.au/default.aspx?s=afldisplay&id=98600)
Very interesting.
topjars
13 May 2007, 18:47
I was surprised by the ease of which we beat them in the end. I didnt tip them this week believing that we were to "sore" and depleted for an in form Lions
I'll tell you who is sore!...... Shirley.
Shirleys attack on the ball with the Brown brick wall was as tough as nails
His hardness has never been in question though.
Our kick-ins had more urgency about them with McLeod able to spot up players in the corridor time and again.
We still lacked a crumbing forward quite a bit so the sooner we address this the better.
King Elvis
13 May 2007, 19:20
Agree on Shirley, he is definitely improving his game and was excellent last night.
I think you're being to hard on Jericho.
And I think you're being soft on Welsh - couple of last quarter goals flattered him.
topjars
13 May 2007, 19:44
Yeah he needs to lift.
fightingdreamer88
13 May 2007, 20:20
After watching last night's game again Jericho's spot is in serious danger. While he wasn't overly poor in his own right, if you look at the blokes who all manage in that 10-15 possies region, they are far more willing to tackle and chase and generally add more to the side overall.
macca23
13 May 2007, 20:23
After watching last night's game again Jericho's spot is in serious danger. While he wasn't overly poor in his own right, if you look at the blokes who all manage in that 10-15 possies region, they are far more willing to tackle and chase and generally add more to the side overall.
Riley, Porplyzia and Roo are all likely to come back this week.
Jericho surely wouldn't keep any of those out.
After watching last night's game again Jericho's spot is in serious danger. While he wasn't overly poor in his own right, if you look at the blokes who all manage in that 10-15 possies region, they are far more willing to tackle and chase and generally add more to the side overall.
Bullshit, Jericho did nothing but chase last night, i would even go as far as saying it was his best game for the club (I could of kicked 4 against Essendon that night :p)
The relentless Jericho bashing on this board has got to stop! For once someone should be able to give credit where credit is due. LJ played a good game and i'd say supersceeded everyone on this board's predictions. He chased tackled and used the ball very well once he got used to playing AFL standard footy again and is a certainty to play next week unlike your love children Vince and Douglas.
fightingdreamer88
13 May 2007, 20:26
Riley, Porplyzia and Roo are all likely to come back this week.
Jericho surely wouldn't keep any of those out.
Agreed. Reilly and Roo are certs if fit, so you would think Jericho and one of Douglas/Vince will make way. Not so sure Porplyzia would be a walk-up start despite the massive future he no doubt has.
Riley, Porplyzia and Roo are all likely to come back this week.
Jericho surely wouldn't keep any of those out.
If so what i expect to happen would be Vince and Douglas out, Reilly and Roo straight in and Porplyzia to return via the SANFL.
fightingdreamer88
13 May 2007, 20:27
Bullshit, Jericho did nothing but chase last night, i would even go as far as saying it was his best game for the club (I could of kicked 4 against Essendon that night :p)
The relentless Jericho bashing on this board has got to stop! For once someone should be able to give credit where credit is due. LJ played a good game and i'd say supersceeded everyone on this board's predictions. He chased tackled and used the ball very well once he got used to playing AFL standard footy again and is a certainty to play next week unlike your love children Vince and Douglas.
Dude, I said his game wasn't poor as such, rather there are a lot of guys around him who do it better, and when you've got blokes like Reilly and Roo waiting to come in he is no cert to start next week!!
Dude, I said his game wasn't poor as such, rather there are a lot of guys around him who do it better, and when you've got blokes like Reilly and Roo waiting to come in he is no cert to start next week!!
Once you start dropping blokes who perform well above expectations while leaving blokes in the team who have form way below par you are on a very slippery slope as you begin to play favourites with the players. Barring injury Luke Jericho is a certainty to suit up on Friday night and you can bookmark this post if you wish.
Stiffy_18
13 May 2007, 20:33
Dude, I said his game wasn't poor as such, rather there are a lot of guys around him who do it better, and when you've got blokes like Reilly and Roo waiting to come in he is no cert to start next week!!
Oh please spare us the love affair with the youngsters :rolleyes:
Bernie Vince has struggled all of this year and at his best he hasn't produced at the level Jericho did last night. While he is someone that will get better and hopefully have a very productive AFL career with us, this year he has put up David Gallagher performances where he gets caught all the time, panics under pressure and just looks very uncomfortable at this level yeat he is someone that should be persisted with ahead of Jericho.
If anyone should get dropped, it should be Vince and Douglas. Douglas has performed better but his form has been patchy at best.
fightingdreamer88
13 May 2007, 20:34
Once you start dropping blokes who perform well above expectations while leaving blokes in the team who have form way below par you are on a very slippery slope as you begin to play favourites with the players. Barring injury Luke Jericho is a certainty to suit up on Friday night and you can bookmark this post if you wish.
I still say he's in that pack of three with Douglas and BV. The next month will be very interesting as Ricciuto, Johncock, Bode, Massie, McGregor, Reilly, Porplyzia, Maric and even blokes like Gill and Mackay return to the ranks.
fightingdreamer88
13 May 2007, 20:35
Oh please spare us the love affair with the youngsters :rolleyes:
Bernie Vince has struggled all of this year and at his best he hasn't produced at the level Jericho did last night. While he is someone that will get better and hopefully have a very productive AFL career with us, this year he has put up David Gallagher performances where he gets caught all the time, panics under pressure and just looks very uncomfortable at this level yeat he is someone that should be persisted with ahead of Jericho.
If anyone should get dropped, it should be Vince and Douglas. Douglas has performed better but his form has been patchy at best.
No argument from me there, but Reilly, McGregor, Roo and Porplyzia are all breathing down the necks of those three.
Stiffy_18
13 May 2007, 20:37
No argument from me there, but Reilly, McGregor, Roo and Porplyzia are all breathing down the necks of those three.
Not this weel. I don't think McGregor will get picked this week because of the short week and not enough footy under his belt and I suspect that Porplyzia might have to come back via Westies.
fightingdreamer88
13 May 2007, 20:39
Not this weel. I don't think McGregor will get picked this week because of the short week and not enough footy under his belt and I suspect that Porplyzia might have to come back via Westies.
So Reilly and Roo in and Richie, Bernard out? Don't be surprised if Jericho gets dropped, that's all I'm saying. Like his leg speed across the wing though, if we could get him and Mattner running like heck on either side that's some running power right there. :/
If anyone should get dropped, it should be Vince and Douglas. Douglas has performed better but his form has been patchy at best.
Vince has shown some signs. For example that lovely move last night, which was ruled out. He's a definite out for mine next week.
Douglas has performed pretty well in recent weeks, considering how hopelessly out of position he has been playing. Much better in defence and through the midfield. IMO he's about 50/50 to go back to the SANFL but I've got a feeling he'll be persisted with. Hopefully back to defence and spending some time pushing through the midfield.
macca23
13 May 2007, 20:44
If Vince and Douglas are both dropped this week, then who's the crumber up forward??
That won't be Jericho IMO.
If I was picking the team and Reilly and Roo were the only 2 coming in - assuming Porps resumes with Westies - then it would be Vince and Jericho to miss.
Stiffy_18
13 May 2007, 20:47
If Vince and Douglas are both dropped this week, then who's the crumber up forward??
That won't be Jericho IMO.
If I was picking the team and Reilly and Roo were the only 2 coming in - assuming Porps resumes with Westies - then it would be Vince and Jericho to miss.
What crumber?!
Its not like Douglas has been crumbing well to start with. There are plenty of options in the team who can do the job as well as Douglas if not better and that does include Jericho.
fightingdreamer88
13 May 2007, 20:49
If Vince and Douglas are both dropped this week, then who's the crumber up forward??
That won't be Jericho IMO.
If I was picking the team and Reilly and Roo were the only 2 coming in - assuming Porps resumes with Westies - then it would be Vince and Jericho to miss.
I would try Shirley as the crumber. It's from left field but he's got a lot of natural touch in the crumbing department and is deceptively quick.
Stiffy_18
13 May 2007, 20:53
I would try Shirley as the crumber. It's from left field but he's got a lot of natural touch in the crumbing department and is deceptively quick.
No thanks.
Taking him away from the guts is already giving up on the game. He is the glue of our midfield. Take him out of there and it ain't pretty.
fightingdreamer88
13 May 2007, 20:56
No thanks.
Taking him away from the guts is already giving up on the game. He is the glue of our midfield. Take him out of there and it ain't pretty.
Mate, we are talking about Richmond here. If ever there is a time to do it, it's now. There is no need to scrag the crap out of their mids, and we have had some good wins with Shirley out injured. Methinks somebody is a little afraid of change *shot* :p
Stiffy_18
13 May 2007, 20:57
Mate, we are talking about Richmond here. If ever there is a time to do it, it's now. There is no need to scrag the crap out of their mids, and we have had some good wins with Shirley out injured. Methinks somebody is a little afraid of change *shot* :p
Me thinks everyone is getting ahead of themselves because its Richmond ;)
macca23
13 May 2007, 21:06
What crumber?!
Its not like Douglas has been crumbing well to start with. There are plenty of options in the team who can do the job as well as Douglas if not better and that does include Jericho.
Have to disagree with you on that one Stiffmeister.
When has Jericho ever been a good crumber, or in fact even regarded as one?? :confused:
If we have all these other star crumbers in the side why are we lamenting every week that we need a crumber. It should have been just a simple move each week to solve the problem then.
If we have all these other star crumbers in the side why are we lamenting every week that we need a crumber. It should have been just a simple move each week to solve the problem then.
Because we are persisting with the idea that Vince and Douglas are crumbers;)
I personally think a tag team job of Goodwin, Edwards, Thompson and Ricciuto would do a great job of crumbing:)
Chezwick
13 May 2007, 21:09
Guys, just wanted to pop in and congratulate you guys on a good win on the weekend. I've said it before, got lots of respect for you guys and hope you go all the way this year. You just strangled us of the ball and had a much more productive mid-field throughout the night. Well done Crows
And before I waste making another thread, does anyone know where I can find your club song to download? I've heard that modern one with the electric guitar one, but I'm looking for the more traditional one. Thanks for any help you can give
RoosterLad
13 May 2007, 21:10
FD sometimes I really wonder why you say some of the things you say, Shirley as the forward line crumber?? Why **** around with the team completely when it's "only" Richmond? Do you think we should remove Shirley from our midfield for future games? He's a good tagger and a bloody hard nut too.
Crow-mo
13 May 2007, 21:24
Once you start dropping blokes who perform well above expectations while leaving blokes in the team who have form way below par you are on a very slippery slope as you begin to play favourites with the players. Barring injury Luke Jericho is a certainty to suit up on Friday night and you can bookmark this post if you wish.
spot on :thumbsu:
SpringChoke
13 May 2007, 21:50
Me thinks everyone is getting ahead of themselves because its Richmond ;)
That worries me too. Let's hope the AFC don't have the same attitude - which I can guarantee you they won't. How quickly we forget.
SpringChoke
13 May 2007, 21:51
Guys, just wanted to pop in and congratulate you guys on a good win on the weekend. I've said it before, got lots of respect for you guys and hope you go all the way this year. You just strangled us of the ball and had a much more productive mid-field throughout the night. Well done Crows
And before I waste making another thread, does anyone know where I can find your club song to download? I've heard that modern one with the electric guitar one, but I'm looking for the more traditional one. Thanks for any help you can give
Thanks mate. You could try AFL.com.au if you can get the bl**dy thing to load.
fightingdreamer88
13 May 2007, 22:10
FD sometimes I really wonder why you say some of the things you say, Shirley as the forward line crumber?? Why **** around with the team completely when it's "only" Richmond? Do you think we should remove Shirley from our midfield for future games? He's a good tagger and a bloody hard nut too.
Specifically, I think RESTING him as a crumber would be an interesting move. Having watched him play for a long time now, I have noticed that he is good at reading the play when there's a scrap in the forward 50. Watch the Showdown semi-final, the 2005 game against Fremantle at AAMI stadium among others, he has been able to bob up and kick goals from crumbs on a number of occasions. Imo it's worth trying it if only when resting him from the middle.
Also, step back and be realistic: This is Richmond. You've got Kane Johnson, Deledio who has been forced to play anywhere but the midfield, and nothing much after that. We don't necessarily need to apply several hard tags for a full game. And I'm not "****ing around with the team completely", I'm suggesting one simple move of a resting player to see what we get. We knocked off Sydney and Port Adelaide without Shirley and we did it pretty well, and I'm only suggesting it as an alternative to benching him throughout the game. Plus, have you any proof that it will not work?
Chezwick
13 May 2007, 22:12
Aye, tried there but I can't get a copy onto my hard drive. Not too computr savy I'm afraid :(
King Elvis
13 May 2007, 22:19
Shirley as a crumber is stupid.
It's Bode when he's fit, it should be Edwards or even Van Berlo resting down there until Bode is right.
fightingdreamer88
13 May 2007, 22:23
Shirley as a crumber is stupid.
It's Bode when he's fit, it should be Edwards or even Van Berlo resting down there until Bode is right.
I tire of this non-experimental mentality. We haven't been getting effective crumbing in front of goals so imo we should experiment by making a small change every so often to see what we can get. Tell me exactly why resting Shirley as a crumber is a stupid idea? All I'm getting so far is "IT JUST IS!!!"
RoosterLad
13 May 2007, 22:57
I don't mind experimenting but when it's stupid things like having Shirley as a crumber.. that is just pointless. I'm not sugar what you put on your weetbix FD but it ain't sugar.
jenny61_99
13 May 2007, 22:58
I guess the thing is FD - do you experiment at the expense of other positions?? ie. is it worth sacrificing one position to see if a player will work in another? I think not - no matter WHO the opponent, and don't forget - Richmond beat us last year.
Bode can't be too far away can he?
Vince looked lost a couple of times last night - I watched him wandering down the ground a couple of times looking like he didn't know what he should be doing or who he was on. Douglas isn't lightening fast in his decision making -yet - but I see potential there. I thought Jericho's game was quite good but not outstanding, although I think it is a bit harsh expecting him to set the world alight with one game. Need to see him in a regular spot to make that call. If Roo and Reilly came back in, I'd be inclined to drop Douglas and Vince - we know they are both good potential - let's really see Jericho regularly and let it be known that this is it. Make it now or you are gone.
jarmanagic
13 May 2007, 23:21
Vince is just going. I cant see any future as a crumber. Simply not quick enough and just doesnt kick goals (1 for the year). Good hands, maybe midfielder/half back in time, not yet
Jericho was just ok, last in this week, must be first out
I'd be playing McGregor ahead of Bock also
But enough negatives, Knights is an emerging star, Rutten clearly the best tall defender in the comp, Goodwin and Edwards superb. Mcleod playing as well as he ever has (few do in the 13th year, great effort) Huddo brave and coming back well from the knee. Griffen emerging and Thommo having a top notch year
All in all a great effort by Craigie and the team to come out of a horror 7 week draw with injuries ++, if the guys can come back soon we are looking well positioned
Crow-mo
13 May 2007, 23:24
Specifically, I think RESTING him as a crumber would be an interesting move. Having watched him play for a long time now, I have noticed that he is good at reading the play when there's a scrap in the forward 50. Watch the Showdown semi-final, the 2005 game against Fremantle at AAMI stadium among others, he has been able to bob up and kick goals from crumbs on a number of occasions. Imo it's worth trying it if only when resting him from the middle.
um... you do realise that he plays a more important role in midfield than a poxy forward line crumber?
Plus, have you any proof that it will not work?
do you have any proof that shirley is not secretly a rodent eating lizard in human form?
what sort of argument is that.
Crow-mo
13 May 2007, 23:26
I tire of this non-experimental mentality. We haven't been getting effective crumbing in front of goals so imo we should experiment by making a small change every so often to see what we can get. Tell me exactly why resting Shirley as a crumber is a stupid idea? All I'm getting so far is "IT JUST IS!!!"
because anyone who has watched footy for more than 5 minutes would know not all roles are equal and you don't take someone from a more important role and try to make them into something less important.
experimentation is one thing, but risking for a lower pay off is stupid.
bets $10 to maybe win $5. woo hoo :thumbsu:
Viva la Mattner
13 May 2007, 23:44
Me thinks everyone is getting ahead of themselves because its Richmond ;)
agreed its only a matter of time until they win
Stiffy_18
14 May 2007, 00:20
Have to disagree with you on that one Stiffmeister.
When has Jericho ever been a good crumber, or in fact even regarded as one?? :confused:
If we have all these other star crumbers in the side why are we lamenting every week that we need a crumber. It should have been just a simple move each week to solve the problem then.
But you are missing ym point here, because I don't regard Douglas as crumber. Bode is a genuine Crumber, McLoed and Johncock can do a great job there as well. Everyone else is just a fill in with similar pure crumbing ability.
Douglas is not a good crumber and he hasn't really shown any crumbing ability to get excited about.
Thats why I am saying that anyone can do the job Doulgas is doing now because he is not much a crumber.
fightingdreamer88
14 May 2007, 00:28
because anyone who has watched footy for more than 5 minutes would know not all roles are equal and you don't take someone from a more important role and try to make them into something less important.
experimentation is one thing, but risking for a lower pay off is stupid.
bets $10 to maybe win $5. woo hoo :thumbsu:
So you're telling me that it would be stupid to rest Shirley up forward when he would otherwise be on the bench? You (and all the others for that matter) are acting as if I've said we should throw Shirley down forward for a full game. I don't see the harm in doing what I have suggested. o_O
Stiffy_18
14 May 2007, 00:38
So you're telling me that it would be stupid to rest Shirley up forward when he would otherwise be on the bench? You (and all the others for that matter) are acting as if I've said we should throw Shirley down forward for a full game. I don't see the harm in doing what I have suggested. o_O
OK this notion of "resting" a player in the forward line is really laughable considing the amount of work our forwards are expected to do both way. Quite often our forwards need to go up to the center of the ground, springing, running back, etc... where the hell is the rest part?
Agree on Shirley, he is definitely improving his game and was excellent last night.
I think you're being to hard on Jericho.
And I think you're being soft on Welsh - couple of last quarter goals flattered him.
Mate, they're the only 'good' games that he plays, kicks a few cheap goals late in the game but when the going gets tough he goes missing.
Also Kenny, how unlucky is this guy to keep missing out?
But dont get me wrong, this was a bloody good win for us, and well needed too :thumbsu:
OK this notion of "resting" a player in the forward line is really laughable considing the amount of work our forwards are expected to do both way. Quite often our forwards need to go up to the center of the ground, springing, running back, etc... where the hell is the rest part?
While I agree with you, perhaps if you were resting a player in the forward line they would play a different role. Having said that I dont think resting Shirley there in particular would be as effective as some others. You;d be better off with a number of different players, especially the usual forwards, the bottom line is we are missing Bodey, and more relevantly a (second?) crumbing forward.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 00:59
Kenny is not unlucky to be missing out, he only played his 2nd game today and didn't even play that well, he lost his position according to a report I read from a reliable source. Who will you drop for him crow87? Can I guess Perrie?
FD I would just quit blabbering crap, your views and thoughts are strange to say the least, every kid is a champion superstar gun, Jericho is a brilliantly skilled player and now Shirley is the crumber we are desperate for. Because it's "only" Richmond we should completely change how our team lines up, yeah that will help us further down the track won't it.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 01:05
You said Jericho had the weapons Bush was searching for, that equals brilliantly skilled to me.
As Stiffy said, going up forward is not resting with our game plan. In the old days it was, in most SANFL games it is, but with the way we play footy he will still be working his arse off. Don't try and tell me to stop it mate, I suggest you keep your trap shut as plenty of others agree with me in that you seem to go on acid-fuelled rants and fail to realise what you are saying.
Stiffy_18
14 May 2007, 01:14
Not a bad point, but if Craig were to throw him to the pocket and say "stick with your man but don't start a push up the ground yourself unless it's absolutely necessary" it may work(?) - I know when you think Shirley you don't think crumber, so I wouldn't mind if we could watch him closely this week whenever he ventures inside 50, and have a quick word about it after the game; my view is he could be handy for a pinch-hitting goal or two in a game if he could slip forward instead of heading to the bench at times. At least watch him on Friday... :thumbsu:
But by telling him to do what you are suggesting, you are changing pretty much the hole structure and patterns in the forward line.
We have a very strict structure that everyone follows, especially defensively, To suggest he does something different weakens the overall structure of the team. The coaching staff want our defence to start in our forward line. Offensively, we have set patterns that are followed and if you ask Shirley to do something different, then you are sending mixed messages to players.
We should not and will not change the structure and game plan of the side to have a tagger resting in the forward line and playing a different role to suit him better. Not going to happen and neither should it.
Oh and do people not realise that even our forwards are rotated on and off the ground because they are expected to work their backsides off just as much as midfielders. They might not cover as much ground as the midfielder but they cover a hell of a lot. So if forwards are regularly rotated on and off the bench, where the hell does a player get some rest by going to the forward line?
Kenny is not unlucky to be missing out, he only played his 2nd game today and didn't even play that well, he lost his position according to a report I read from a reliable source. Who will you drop for him crow87? Can I guess Perrie?
FD I would just quit blabbering crap, your views and thoughts are strange to say the least, every kid is a champion superstar gun, Jericho is a brilliantly skilled player and now Shirley is the crumber we are desperate for. Because it's "only" Richmond we should completely change how our team lines up, yeah that will help us further down the track won't it.
Well, from this weeks 22 it would have to be Jericho but yep, Perrie would be the one. Nothing against the guy, Im actually a fan, just that IMO Kenny is a better player and naturally fills his spot in the side, how did Kenny go the week before? Just feel like he's out of favour, without being harsh, what has Perrie done to warrent his place in the side ahead of Kenny? From the games for the afc that they've played you'd have to take the mac ahead of pez. Granted its only his 2nd week back in the SANFL but surely you're not suggesting that given both players are fully match fit, you'd have Perrie in the team? What about last week? He did alright then but you seem to have forgotten that one...
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 01:17
Eh, they can say what they wish. Of course, most everything I predict comes to pass, I just pick it out a long time before any of you do. :)
Jericho does have weapons - leg speed, good mark, can kick a goal, but can he put it together for our side? Who knows?
Can kick a goal? Backed up with a couple of misses last night - granted he was unlucky not to have one but a free rubbed it out.
Your predictions come to fruition hey? So I guess Shirley is a definite to solver our forward crumbing options - yet you are the only person on this forum to suggest that. You are pretty sure of yourself, that coupled with the amount of bollocks dribbling from your fingers makes you seem eerily similar to one "maccas_no1".
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 01:22
Well, from this weeks 22 it would have to be Jericho but yep, Perrie would be the one. Nothing against the guy, Im actually a fan, just that IMO Kenny is a better player and naturally fills his spot in the side, how did Kenny go the week before? Just feel like he's out of favour, without being harsh, what has Perrie done to warrent his place in the side ahead of Kenny? From the games for the afc that they've played you'd have to take the mac ahead of pez. Granted its only his 2nd week back in the SANFL but surely you're not suggesting that given both players are fully match fit, you'd have Perrie in the team? What about last week? He did alright then but you seem to have forgotten that one...
I knew you would select Perrie as I thought you may be a sheep - so many people just want Perrie out of the team yet they are unable to back that up with a decent explanation. He has been our best forward in recent weeks, and yes that means he has out-performed Bock and Welsh. I have no idea what you mean by "What about last week? He did alright then but you seem to have forgotten that one..."? Can you explain that one? He was the only forward who ever threatened, the rest were given a bath by the Magpie defence yet you still want him banished back to Prospect.
What games are we talking about here where Ken has performed better than Perrie? Last year when the Sarge missed most of it through injury and Ken struggled, he was carrying an injury though but then was unable to make the team in the finals as he wasn't deemed to be in our best 22 then. Today he struggled in the SANFL as well, he didn't look all that fit.. so he currently has fitness issues and his form doesn't mean he deserves a spot in the Crow side.
I know he could be a handy player deep in our forward line but to want Perrie dropped is absolutely baffling.
The issue is that this crumbing problem won't go away unless we get the crucial players back and fit (no guarantee that will happen and I'm especially concerned about Bode's injury). It will carry on being a massive weakness unless the club can pluck something out of the air. I don't know about you but it makes me sick how quick the ball is cleared from our forward line as soon as it goes to ground. Doesn't sound like a good idea to sit here saying "ah Bode will be back soon enough" while we continue to get hurt by having no backup. What is your suggestion Stiffy_18?
Agreed but I dont know if Shirley is the answer... :cool:
Porplyzia is a nice option IMO, could be a poor man's Mark Williams? Admitted he doesnt have the pace but good skills, nous to know where the balls going to be and a very accurate kick. And yes, the bit in bold i agree with twice as much.
Stiffy_18
14 May 2007, 01:26
The issue is that this crumbing problem won't go away unless we get the crucial players back and fit (no guarantee that will happen and I'm especially concerned about Bode's injury). It will carry on being a massive weakness unless the club can pluck something out of the air. I don't know about you but it makes me sick how quick the ball is cleared from our forward line as soon as it goes to ground. Doesn't sound like a good idea to sit here saying "ah Bode will be back soon enough" while we continue to get hurt by having no backup. What is your suggestion Stiffy_18?
My suggestion is to continue doing what we have been doing because there just is no other solution. If you bring Roo back, he can do both roles as a crumber and a leading forward.
I also think that giving some time to Thompson and Goodwin and Edwards in there is the way to go and Craig has been doing a bit of that recently. Thommo played a bit more as a forward against Lions and kicked 3 goals. Goody got a couple and granted 1 was from the midfield but one was as a HF.
We have midfielders who are proven goal kickers in Thompson, Goodwin and Edwards. How about we utilise them a bit more in the forward line especially once Reilly gets back to strengthen the midfield rotations.
Shirley is not a better crumber than the ones I mentioned and besides he is far to valuable in the midfield to move him into a terittory thats unfamiliar to him.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 01:27
Eh, I don't want to make you an enemy okay, you're pretty cool. The thing is, I feel like I'm the only one actually trying to be constructive by making suggestions to fix our problems. All I'm getting from you is criticism when it would be great if you could give another suggestion instead. I'm trying here. :mad:
I am very positive towards the Crows and it's players yet I also choose to not dribble shit for the sake of it. Shirley is not the answer to our problems but if Porplyzia gets fit he could play up there as he has clean hands and does lead well, plus he has an accurate kick or even Reilly could spend a bit of time up there. We don't have an easy answer as Bode is the only player on our list who has the ability to apply strong forwardline pressure while picking up the crumbs too.
But you said yourself you are rarely wrong so I guess Shirley is a guarantee to fill this position.
Stiffy_18
14 May 2007, 01:28
Agreed but I dont know if Shirley is the answer... :cool:
Porplyzia is a nice option IMO, could be a poor man's Mark Williams? Admitted he doesnt have the pace but good skills, nous to know where the balls going to be and a very accurate kick. And yes, the bit in bold i agree with twice as much.
The only "problem" with that is Porplyzia is not really a crumber. He is a small marking player. I guess with Bode out, he is one that will get the gig because there is no one better.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 01:30
My suggestion is to continue doing what we have been doing because there just is no other solution. If you bring Roo back, he can do both roles as a crumber and a leading forward.
I also think that giving some time to Thompson and Goodwin and Edwards in there is the way to go and Craig has been doing a bit of that recently. Thommo played a bit more as a forward against Lions and kicked 3 goals. Goody got a couple and granted 1 was from the midfield but one was as a HF.
We have midfielders who are proven goal kickers in Thompson, Goodwin and Edwards. How about we utilise them a bit more in the forward line especially once Reilly gets back to strengthen the midfield rotations.
Shirley is not a better crumber than the ones I mentioned and besides he is far to valuable in the midfield to move him into a terittory thats unfamiliar to him.
I agree with moving our midfielders up forward as they have the skills and the toughness, plus they can read the play and finish well. There is not much else we can do at the moment apart from continue to play the way we are playing until some of the boys get fit again. Roo could be a massive plus as he can do a variety of things up forward, mark on the lead, 1 on 1 or crumb the packs.
I knew you would select Perrie as I thought you may be a sheep - so many people just want Perrie out of the team yet they are unable to back that up with a decent explanation. He has been our best forward in recent weeks, and yes that means he has out-performed Bock and Welsh. I have no idea what you mean by "What about last week? He did alright then but you seem to have forgotten that one..."? Can you explain that one? He was the only forward who ever threatened, the rest were given a bath by the Magpie defence yet you still want him banished back to Prospect.
What games are we talking about here where Ken has performed better than Perrie? Last year when the Sarge missed most of it through injury and Ken struggled, he was carrying an injury though but then was unable to make the team in the finals as he wasn't deemed to be in our best 22 then. Today he struggled in the SANFL as well, he didn't look all that fit.. so he currently has fitness issues and his form doesn't mean he deserves a spot in the Crow side.
I know he could be a handy player deep in our forward line but to want Perrie dropped is absolutely baffling.
I would replacePerrie with him because surely you couldnt play Ken and Sarge in the same fwdline. Anyway, not only would Kenny be better up forward but he is versitle enough to play back if needed, can you imagine Perrie doing this? He would get absolutely killed. As for the "what about last week?" comment I was talking about Kenny, have a look at the stats at least. Towards the end of last year Ken was struggling with injury, but before this he was clearly a better option than Sarge (somehow Perrie gets the injury excuse when #16 does not). And no, I'm not a sheep, ever since Perrie came back from his shoulder injury (way back in the day lol) I've been unconvinced, if not a complete bagger of him (which Im not now either). I dont hold anything against Perrie, but when he kicks 3, does a little bit and you think to yourself, gee Perrie was good thats a worry. That kind of thing should be the minimum, on a more obvious note his kicking is a huge worry.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 01:34
Yeah Perrie usually only kicks 3 or so on a good night but do you actually think Ken will come in and start kicking 6 or 7 or even more? I don't. The last time I saw Perrie play in defence Hargraves kicked 10 on him so I know he is rubbish back there and Kenny can fill a defensive spot when fit but you can't go dropping our best forward when he has been performing. I can guarantee you anyway that there is no way the Sarge will be dropped for McGregor, no chance in hell.
The problem is he's injured. A poor man's Mark Williams seems like a very good description to me though as well, excellent mark on the lead and has a solid kicking action.
Who do you think from the current setup could go in there and be most effective though?
Mmh, I hear he could be back this week. Its hard to know who could go up there from our curent lineup cos we havnt really seen anyone do it, Stiffy could be the best one but if you want to take him out of the backline then I'd love to see him in the centre (though we have lots of options there atpresent so perhaps could work). One out of Left field, Marty Mattner :eek: He looks completely lost atm and I think he's been a bit figured out. Opposition players arent suprised by him running out of defence and going onto his left foot anymore. Im sure you're all aware of him getting caught, plus macca is doing a fanstastic job running off half back atm. I also wouldnt mind Knighta apart from the fact that he's on fire atm where he is. Hmm, this is something Ill be thinking about for a while i think :p
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 01:38
I don't predict he will fill the position, but I do believe he appears comfortable whenever he's lurking around the goals. Has limited opportunity of course.
On the point of Porplyzia's accurate kicking, remember a while back I said this and was shot down for it (by...Crow-mo I think it was)? Copped a heck of a lot of "ZOMG YOU DRIBBLE CRAP AND JUST MAKE STUFF UP FOR THE HELL OF IT!!!" etc etc. *sigh* Dunno why I bother...:cool:
What the hell are you talking about and what does this have to do with me? I have never questioned Porplyzia's accuracy in front of goal so why the hell you are bringing this up I do not know.
Yeah Perrie usually only kicks 3 or so on a good night but do you actually think Ken will come in and start kicking 6 or 7 or even more? I don't. The last time I saw Perrie play in defence Hargraves kicked 10 on him so I know he is rubbish back there and Kenny can fill a defensive spot when fit but you can't go dropping our best forward when he has been performing. I can guarantee you anyway that there is no way the Sarge will be dropped for McGregor, no chance in hell.
Lmao, if we havnt dropped him already then it certainly doesnt look likely does it? We stuck it out with him through some very dodgey form.
Dont be stupid, I dont expect him to come out kicking 6 and 7 goals a game (I suppose Perre will?), but what I am saying is that if he was in a forward pocket, he could kick at least 2 or 3 goals a game (a good game for Perrie) take some good marks and snag the odd 5 goal haul. I dont think the Ken/Pez swap will happen either but how can you guarantee it?
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 01:42
Lmao, if we havnt dropped him already then it certainly doesnt look likely does it? We stuck it out with him through some very dodgey form.
Dont be stupid, I dont expect him to come out kicking 6 and 7 goals a game (I suppose Perre will?), but what I am saying is that if he was in a forward pocket, he could kick at least 2 or 3 goals a game (a good game for Perrie) take some good marks and snag the odd 5 goal haul. I dont think the Ken/Pez swap will happen either but how can you guarantee it?
Haha you are bagging Perrie by saying 3 goals is a good return for him yet then you say Ken will come in and kick 2/3? What do you achieve with that?
Haha you are bagging Perrie by saying 3 goals is a good return for him yet then you say Ken will come in and kick 2/3? What do you achieve with that?
Read it again, Im saying that 2/3 for Perrie is a good game, while for Kenny it would not be such a suprise.:rolleyes:
Meh, an example of when I picked something out and get torn apart for it at the time when it goes on to become hella valid. I'm like a Dreamcast, quality bit of kit, but chose the wrong time to flaunt my wares. ;)
Seriously, I just want to draft a quality crumber and magically develop Jimmy Sellar into a gun forward so we can be done with the forward line woes.
Lol, bad luck mr dreamcast ;) we're definitely missing a good crumber, also mentioned about was that Reilly might be able to do something up there... I reckon you could be onto something whoever said that, but he migt be missing the in and under tpe qualities required a bit (but has improved this aspect lately). But with porps and Bodey back soon we could improve the situation.
...so you're saying Kenny would be the more consistent option?
Thankyou! Yes and also that his best would achieve a greater output.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 01:50
Thankyou! Yes and also that his best would also achieve a greater output.
but how do you know he will be able to produce this consistently? he wasn't great last year and doesn't seem all that fit right now
i like him, i am a fan and if you could fit Perrie and Ken in the same time i wouldn't mind that but we might be too slow and top heavy then, there is no way you can drop Perrie who has been consistent in the past few weeks
I agree with this actually. Perrie isn't pack busting like K-Mac either. Can't say I would drop Perrie so readily but that said it's tough to see how they could both fit in there without sacrificing a Scotty Stevens or someone like that (Bock has too much upside to be realised VERY soon in all aspects of his game to be dropped now - remember that).
Side note: It would be infinitely handy if we could somehow access the benchmark figures the players achieve at training - sprint times, vertical leaps, etc etc. When talking about moving players around it's tough a lot of the time to gauge how their attributes would gel in those new positions. For instance I would love to know exactly what sort of pace Reilly has at full tilt.
Yeah, no way I would drop Bock, IMO hes ahead of all Kenny, Perrie and Stevens, certainly has big potential. I dont know about the dropping Perrie so readily thing, its been a few years! But yes, you cant really drop him now, hes playing as well as he has for a long time. Going back to the crumbing fwd topic Thompson could be handy, although with both him and Reilly I'm ignoring how much you would lose in the middle.
but how do you know he will be able to produce this consistently? he wasn't great last year and doesn't seem all that fit right now
i like him, i am a fan and if you could fit Perrie and Ken in the same time i wouldn't mind that but we might be too slow and top heavy then, there is no way you can drop Perrie who has been consistent in the past few weeks
Cant have them both up forward, the lack of pace would be almost embarrassing. But yeah, cant really drop him now, always gives 100% and hes playing as well as ever (doesnt this tell you something?!)
Ok I like Sarge but heres the thing,
Can you see him winning us a Grand Final?
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 02:05
Ok I like Sarge but heres the thing,
Can you see him winning us a Grand Final?
No but I can't really see Kenny winning us a grand final off his own boot either.
No but I can't really see Kenny winning us a grand final off his own boot either.
1st final against the Saints, only player in the whole side to stand up (I had this waiting for you :p)
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 02:11
1st final against the Saints, only player in the whole side to stand up (I had this waiting for you :p)
I knew you would say that but did he win us that game? No I believe we lost that match. Also how many goals did he kick? 2 or 3 at the most i think but if i remember correctly (extremely drunk and depressed after north lost earlier in the day costing us 3rd) he went back to defence on Riewoldt so he could have kicked more.
Also that wasn't a Grand Final anyway....
Southerntakeover
14 May 2007, 02:17
Lmao, if we havnt dropped him already then it certainly doesnt look likely does it? We stuck it out with him through some very dodgey form.
Dont be stupid, I dont expect him to come out kicking 6 and 7 goals a game (I suppose Perre will?), but what I am saying is that if he was in a forward pocket, he could kick at least 2 or 3 goals a game (a good game for Perrie) take some good marks and snag the odd 5 goal haul. I dont think the Ken/Pez swap will happen either but how can you guarantee it?
I dont think its at all true that Kenny is guaranteed to kick 2-3 goals a game.
Perrie however is on track to do this. Why are you looking down your nose at 2 goals a game? If Perrie kicks 44 goals this year for us, hes more than done his share.
I knew you would say that but did he win us that game? No I believe we lost that match. Also how many goals did he kick? 2 or 3 at the most i think but if i remember correctly (extremely drunk and depressed after north lost earlier in the day costing us 3rd) he went back to defence on Riewoldt so he could have kicked more.
Also that wasn't a Grand Final anyway....
He kicked 4 goals and I believe that was up to half time, as you said. I know that wasnt a GF but not a bad indicator. Plus, say he has 4 shots on goal, he is more likely to kick 3.1/4.0 whereas Perrie will probably get around 2.2 (rough stats but generally correct I think). Whats the point in marking it if you spray an easy shot?
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 02:20
I dont think its at all true that Kenny is guaranteed to kick 2-3 goals a game.
Perrie however is on track to do this. Why are you looking down your nose at 2 goals a game? If Perrie kicks 44 goals this year for us, hes more than done his share.
If we can get a few players averaging 2-3 goals a game we should finish pretty high up on the ladder, the only problem is in crunch finals i would love to have a player capable of kicking a bag and drag us over the line but Perrie and Ken are not that kind of player.
I dont think its at all true that Kenny is guaranteed to kick 2-3 goals a game.
Perrie however is on track to do this. Why are you looking down your nose at 2 goals a game? If Perrie kicks 44 goals this year for us, hes more than done his share.
*massive sigh* I thought I made this clear, please take a look up the top of the page.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 02:21
He kicked 4 goals and I believe that was up to half time, as you said. I know that wasnt a GF but not a bad indicator. Plus, say he has 4 shots on goal, he is more likely to kick 3.1/4.0 whereas Perrie will probably get around 2.2 (rough stats but generally correct I think). Whats the point in marking it if you spray an easy shot?
Ok so Ken kicks 4 and that is a brilliant effort and Perrie kicks 3 and he's shit. You asked if Perrie is capable of winning a grand final so there is a bit of a difference between a qualifying and grandy. PLUS this happened 2 years ago and we didn't even win the game anyway so i have no idea what you are talking about.
Southerntakeover
14 May 2007, 02:24
*massive sigh* I thought I made this clear, please take a look up the top of the page.
Hmm... youve made yourself pretty clear. Youd prefer Kenny, thats fine. I think Sarge is doing a great job atm though, and wouldnt swap em, suppose we disagree.
Sanguinarius
14 May 2007, 02:30
so we should drop pez for Kmac - and stick Kmac in the forward pocket?
then who fills in Pez's spot at CHF? Sarge does a shitload of off the ball work out 50+ meters from goal, and runs his defender ragged while he's doing it. kenny doesnt have the mobility to do that. While doing all this pez is averaging 2 and a bit goals a game so far this year. Personally I couldnt be happier with the way he's traveling. I'd take 2 goals plus everything else he does over 3 goals from kmac in the square. I think the extra output of perrie more than balances the scales here.
This is where the loss of bode hurts. Perrie even if he doesnt mark the ball ALWAYS provides a contest. Some days the ball sticks more than others, but there is always a contest. The team know this enough to usually have bode or another crumber at their feet.
Ok so Ken kicks 4 and that is a brilliant effort and Perrie kicks 3 and he's shit. You asked if Perrie is capable of winning a grand final so there is a bit of a difference between a qualifying and grandy. PLUS this happened 2 years ago and we didn't even win the game anyway so i have no idea what you are talking about.
I never bagged out Perrie, or said he was "sh!t". Obviously there is a difference between QF and GF but its not a bad indicator (how did pez go in last years finals?) and all I was trying to say with reference to the saints game is that he stood up in an important game, Kenny kicked 4 in a half then was moved to the backlines, I cant see Perrie doing that, let alone playing in defence! (can you imagine?!).
To finally make things clear (no idea why they're not :rolleyes:) I am saying that from game to game, if you play him up forward Kenny will kick 2 or 3 a game and do a bit more too (Plus Kenny will snag the odd 4 or 5 goals). Perrie is arguably doing less than this atm and we're talking about how hes in good form! I like the bloke but come on, yes if all our fwds kicked 44 a year we'd be doing all right, but this guy is meant to be a focal pt of our attack!
so we should drop pez for Kmac - and stick Kmac in the forward pocket?
then who fills in Pez's spot at CHF? Sarge does a shitload of off the ball work out 50+ meters from goal, and runs his defender ragged while he's doing it. kenny doesnt have the mobility to do that. While doing all this pez is averaging 2 and a bit goals a game so far this year. Personally I couldnt be happier with the way he's traveling. I'd take 2 goals plus everything else he does over 3 goals from kmac in the square. I think the extra output of perrie more than balances the scales here.
This is where the loss of bode hurts. Perrie even if he doesnt mark the ball ALWAYS provides a contest. Some days the ball sticks more than others, but there is always a contest. The team know this enough to usually have bode or another crumber at their feet.
Mate, I could go out there and "provide a contest", I agree he does alot of work off the ball though and I'd never ever question his effort and this is why i like him. The loss of Bode is made worse by the fact that if the ball is below his knees Perrie is gone (never seen him get a ball from here, certainly not this year).
Southerntakeover
14 May 2007, 02:36
I never bagged out Perrie, or said he was "sh!t". Obviously there is a difference between QF and GF but its not a bad indicator (how did pez go in last years finals?) and all I was trying to say with reference to the saints game is that he stood up in an important game, Kenny kicked 4 in a half then was moved to the backlines, I cant see Perrie doing that, let alone playing in defence! (can you imagine?!).
To finally make things clear (no idea why they're not :rolleyes:) I am saying that from game to game, if you play him up forward Kenny will kick 2 or 3 a game and do a bit more too (Plus Kenny will snag the odd 4 or 5 goals). Perrie is arguably doing less than this atm and we're talking about how hes in good form! I like the bloke but come on, yes if all our fwds kicked 44 a year we'd be doing all right, but this guy is meant to be a focal pt of our attack!
Perries best goal tally for a season is better than Kenny's, this year Perrie is on track to atleast match, and probably beat his best goal tally. What makes you think that Kenny is worth more goals than him?
Perries best goal tally for a season is better than Kenny's, this year Perrie is on track to atleast match, and probably beat his best goal tally. What makes you think that Kenny is worth more goals than him?
Thats because Kenny is versitile enough to play in more than one position (or indeed one half of the ground). And ill say it one more time, Kenny will consistanly kick the goals that for Perrie is a "good game" (say 2/3 goals), plus he will snag a 4/5 goal haul every so often (a relative miracle for Perrie), plus he can play somewhere other than up forward.
Sanguinarius
14 May 2007, 02:39
(how did pez go in last years finals?)
same as kenny did all last year!
it's a stupid point to make because last year kenny was playing injured, and i the finals Pez had JUST come back.
you say 2-3 goals from kenny deep in the forward line + whatever else he does is acceptable. But Pez is doing this now and playing farther away from the goals.
as for kmac's ability to play in defence... we dont need him down there. stens covers the gap and if not him then bock was becoming a very good CHB. Pointing out that pez cant play defence is stupid simply because he'll never be needed to play there. It's like point out welsh will never be a fullback! WHO GIVES A SHIT
Sanguinarius
14 May 2007, 02:41
Mate, I could go out there and "provide a contest", I agree he does alot of work off the ball though and I'd never ever question his effort and this is why i like him. The loss of Bode is made worse by the fact that if the ball is below his knees Perrie is gone (never seen him get a ball from here, certainly not this year).
twice in the brisbane game for those keeping count at home...
same as kenny did all last year!
it's a stupid point to make because last year kenny was playing injured, and i the finals Pez had JUST come back.
you say 2-3 goals from kenny deep in the forward line + whatever else he does is acceptable. But Pez is doing this now and playing farther away from the goals.
as for kmac's ability to play in defence... we dont need him down there. stens covers the gap and if not him then bock was becoming a very good CHB. Pointing out that pez cant play defence is stupid simply because he'll never be needed to play there. It's like point out welsh will never be a fullback! WHO GIVES A SHIT
Settle down, anyway Craig often points to versitility as one of our strengths and a key. Say we cop an injury and/or a KP forward is having a day out, would you rather have no other option to go on him or have Kenny? It could be nice not to have to drag Bock out of the fwdline if hes doing well, Stevens can be alright but has struggled in the past at times and Basset although a fantastic defender is exposed for size at times.
twice in the brisbane game for those keeping count at home...
Ok, my apologies Sarge I have not seen the game as I was working. Thats 2 for the season by my counting. You guys are making me criticise Perrie which I dont like doing, believe it or not I like the guy.
same as kenny did all last year!
you say 2-3 goals from kenny deep in the forward line + whatever else he does is acceptable. But Pez is doing this now and playing farther away from the goals.
Im saying Kenny would do it week in week out without comment from supporters plus more, in fact I dont know how many times Ive said that now. By the way, he also does work around the ground and also inside 50 (keeping the ball in, shepherds etc-a weakness for us atm).
Southerntakeover
14 May 2007, 02:47
Thats because Kenny is versitile enough to play in more than one position (or indeed one half of the ground). And ill say it one more time, Kenny will consistanly kick the goals that for Perrie is a "good game" (say 2/3 goals), plus he will snag a 4/5 goal haul every so often (a relative miracle for Perrie), plus he can play somewhere other than up forward.
Youve said it before yes, i just dont see anything which leads me to think this is true. Kenny when playing up forward hasnt produced anything more than Perrie has, and in some cases, significantly less.
Sanguinarius
14 May 2007, 02:49
Settle down, anyway Craig often points to versitility as one of our strengths and a key. Say we cop an injury and/or a KP forward is having a day out, would you rather have no other option to go on him or have Kenny? It could be nice not to have to drag Bock out of the fwdline if hes doing well, Stevens can be alright but has struggled in the past at times and Basset although a fantastic defender is exposed for size at times.
If a forward is having a day out move rutten onto him. If the forward is still having a day out on rutten I doubt that a part time defender like Kmac would be able to stop him.
If rutten was the one injured then we're screwed anyway as it throws our entire structure up no matter what.
Southerntakeover
14 May 2007, 02:52
If a forward is having a day out move rutten onto him. If the forward is still having a day out on rutten I doubt that a part time defender like Kmac would be able to stop him.
If rutten was the one injured then we're screwed anyway as it throws our entire structure up no matter what.
Having said that though, i woulda killed for Kenny in round one, to throw back on Lucas.
If a forward is having a day out move rutten onto him. If the forward is still having a day out on rutten I doubt that a part time defender like Kmac would be able to stop him.
If rutten was the one injured then we're screwed anyway as it throws our entire structure up no matter what.
So moving Rutten onto another player doesnt do this? Perhaps you dont realise how good Rutten is, theres probably a reason why he was on his original play in the first place, because that guy is the oppositions best big fwd. We often struggle when the other team has more than one KP forward, ie Rutten covers Lloyd and Lucas has an absolute day out (thats 11 scoring shots for anyone keeping score at home).
Just got back home from the Airport and have some very late thoughts:
I was a critic of him very early this year, but my BOG was Knights - a fantastic game for 4 quarters, great hounding, tackling, gets & most importantly for him every disposal hit a target. It's by far the best game I've seen the kid play, and while I'm in the minority I actually rated it just a bit better than Goodwin, Thompson & Edwards. Bassett, Doughty, Shirley & VB had fantastic team games, and Macca's superb season is still humming along nicely. Truck added yet another impressive scalp, and after a slightly shaky start at the very beginning of the game Stevens was another quiet achiever in the back half.
The move that won the game was Griffin to full forward in the 3rd quarter - he had too much height for Roe & Merritt, and in the process freed up the other forwards. I'm still a little stunned Matthews didn't make a counter move (Charman injured?), and it cost them very dearly. Griffin's development in ruck since being thrown in the deep end has been impressive and he seems a natural for a part-time forward position for now - who knows, in future maybe he could be the next Paul Salmon. Hudson's solid contribution in the ruck allowed this to happen too, and I thought it was quietly his best game of the year.
While the forward line spluttered in the first half the Griffin move sparked the other marking forwards into life, but the lack of a crumber is still glaring - Vince, Burton & Jericho weren't playing as one and Douglas looked lost again compared to his stint in the back pocket a few games ago. There was also a big difference between the chasing/tackling of the forwards to hold the ball there too, particularly from Welsh who refused to run in the first half, and chased like a man possessed (and was rewarded) in the second.
Perrie bashers please do everyone a favour and rack off for the rest of the season: his unrewarded efforts while being mugged in the first half by Merritt is the type of stuff that gets too easily overlooked in this place, and he was faultless when moved further out from goals in the second half.
Overall it was the sort of team effort that left me fairly impressed, although there's plenty of room for improvement - the clangers that occur while trying to carry out their possession tactics are too frustrating to describe without swearing. Burton still looks terribly underdone, I found Jericho unimpressive again (sorry), and they have to work out what to do with Vince - he's not playing as a real crumber, and he should seriously look at his tackling technique which seems open to be milked for frees. Unfortunately he's not alone there either, and it's something the team should put under the microscope to see if it can help stop us continuing to be crucified by these umpires.
Having said that though, i woulda killed for Kenny in round one, to throw back on Lucas.
Ok, so we agree on something! (see my above post) ;) :p