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MickyCrow
13 May 2007, 21:34
With all this hoo har over Ports jumper, there has been no mention of ours
Has anyone heard what we will be wearing this year?
Sturt won three flags in the 70s and their uniform doenst 'clash' with anyone in the AFL ;) , what do ya reckon about wearing their 1970s uniform? (not that it would happen)
Cheers
RoosterLad
13 May 2007, 21:37
We should just not care about Heritage round as it's completely pointless for us. It's just a massive w@nksession for Vic clubs.
As a Sturt supporter... no
We are a franchise
Eagles are a franchise
Freo are a franchise
Port are a franchise
I sit here and I wonder if Port were smart they would ignore it all and say to everyone who asked that it is either prison bars or nothing
AdelaideFan
13 May 2007, 21:39
I like the idea of a rotational SANFL club guernsey. Say Sturt this year, Eagles next year and legs the year after etc etc. Bugger the black and white though but give the rest a run
Honestly i think screw it.
It is just an excuse for the Pricktorian teams to remember the glory days
dyertribe
13 May 2007, 21:40
I sit here and I wonder if Port were smart they would ignore it all and say to everyone who asked that it is either prison bars or nothing
Just like last year?
dyertribe
13 May 2007, 21:42
I like the idea of a rotational SANFL club guernsey. Say Sturt this year, Eagles next year and legs the year after etc etc. Bugger the black and white though but give the rest a run
Never.
We are the Adelaide Crows, not Norwood, not Sturt, not Woodville, not West Torrens, not Glenelg, not Port Adelaide, not West Adelaide, not Central District, not South Adelaide, not North Adelaide.
I may be generalising here, but only those Crows fans with no interest in the SANFL or no memory of when it was the be all and end all (pre-1991 obvs) could seriously suggest this as an option.
I'd hate to see us wear the SANFL guernsey of any club - just couldn't barrack for any team in Norwood, Centrals or Glenelg colours.
MickyCrow
13 May 2007, 21:43
I like the idea of a rotational SANFL club guernsey. Say Sturt this year, Eagles next year and legs the year after etc etc. Bugger the black and white though but give the rest a run
My thoughts exactly, we were formed from the SANFL, so therefore, the SANFL is our heritage...
Some people confuse history and heritage
RoosterLad
13 May 2007, 21:44
I like the idea of a rotational SANFL club guernsey. Say Sturt this year, Eagles next year and legs the year after etc etc. Bugger the black and white though but give the rest a run
get ****ed
Just like last year?
You will only win this argument by staying true to what you want...not adapting
MickyCrow
13 May 2007, 21:46
Never.
We are the Adelaide Crows, not Norwood, not Sturt, not Woodville, not West Torrens, not Glenelg, not Port Adelaide, not West Adelaide, not Central District, not South Adelaide, not North Adelaide.
I may be generalising here, but only those Crows fans with no interest in the SANFL or no memory of when it was the be all and end all (pre-1991 obvs) could seriously suggest this as an option.
I'd hate to see us wear the SANFL guernsey of any club - just couldn't barrack for any team in Norwood, Centrals or Glenelg colours.
Major generalisation mate, I am a through and through Doggies man (have been since I went as a kiddie with my old man in the 80s when we were getting pumped), and am proud that they make up a PART of the AFC heritage, and am not fussed to barrack for the Crows in a Norwood, Sturt, etc guernsey because they are also PART of its heritage
Just my POV thou
dyertribe
13 May 2007, 21:47
You will only win this argument by staying true to what you want...not adapting
You said Port should boycott heritage round - prisonbars or nothing - correct?
They did exactly that last year.
Which is probably why they've gained a lot more respect and headway on the issue this year.
Make no mistake, if the AFL deny them the PB guernsey this time they'll be wearing one of the current guernseys just like last year.
MickyCrow
13 May 2007, 21:50
But have we put in a design to the AFL as far as anyone knows?
dyertribe
13 May 2007, 21:50
Major generalisation mate, I am a through and through Doggies man (have been since I went as a kiddie with my old man in the 80s when we were getting pumped), and am proud that they make up a PART of the AFC heritage, and am not fussed to barrack for the Crows in a Norwood, Sturt, etc guernsey because they are also PART of its heritage
Just my POV thou
I just don't see how you could.
If anything, it proves just how watered down South Australian football has become.
Hypothetical. If it was the other way around and a Victorian composite side entered the SANFL and for Heritage Round they wore a Collingwood guernsey, how many supporters of other clubs back in the 'local league' - Carlton, Essendon, Richmond, North Melbourne - would be happy with that?
Zero.
Why is it different for us?
RoosterLad
13 May 2007, 21:53
hahaha cheering on the Crows in a Norwood, Sturt, Centrals etc guernsey what an absolute joke of a football supporter you are young man, how could you possibly cheer for a team wearing the WWT guernsey after they beat you in the big one last year?
that is a bloody terrible comment
You said Port should boycott heritage round - prisonbars or nothing - correct?
They did exactly that last year.
Which is probably why they've gained a lot more respect and headway on the issue this year.
Make no mistake, if the AFL deny them the PB guernsey this time they'll be wearing one of the current guernseys just like last year.
And thats my argument...guess Ive been blinded by all the bitchy whiny threads on BF
MickyCrow
13 May 2007, 22:11
Cos its a different league fellas.
MickyCrow
13 May 2007, 22:14
hahaha cheering on the Crows in a Norwood, Sturt, Centrals etc guernsey what an absolute joke of a football supporter you are young man, how could you possibly cheer for a team wearing the WWT guernsey after they beat you in the big one last year?
that is a bloody terrible comment
And their aint no need to get personal old man:mad:
ok.crows
13 May 2007, 23:08
Never.
We are the Adelaide Crows, not Norwood, not Sturt, not Woodville, not West Torrens, not Glenelg, not Port Adelaide, not West Adelaide, not Central District, not South Adelaide, not North Adelaide.
That is true.
However, if you look at what heritage means:
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=heritage&gwp=13
her·i·tage (hĕr'ĭ-tĭj) pronunciation
n.
1. Property that is or can be inherited; an inheritance.
2. Something that is passed down from preceding generations; a tradition.
3. The status acquired by a person through birth; a birthright: a heritage of affluence and social position.
Then the heritage of the Adelaide Crows undoubtedly IS Norwood, Sturt, Woodville, West Torrens, Glenelg, Port Adelaide, West Adelaide, Central District, South Adelaide and North Adelaide.
The latter SANFL teams are the birthright of the Crows, the preceding generation, everything that is the Crows was inherited from them.
dyertribe
13 May 2007, 23:17
However, if you look at what heritage means:
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=heritage&gwp=13
Thanks for the English lesson matey, but I'm well aware of what heritage means.
Still doesn't sway my belief that we shouldn't wear individual SANFL club guernseys or the State guernsey for that matter.
RoosterLad
13 May 2007, 23:19
Agree. Pointless argument. Crows should not wear the guernsey of an SANFL team. There will be a national outcry led by myself if this ever happened.
ok.crows
13 May 2007, 23:33
Thanks for the English lesson matey, but I'm well aware of what heritage means.
Still doesn't sway my belief that we shouldn't wear individual SANFL club guernseys or the State guernsey for that matter.
I can't see why the club should fail to acknowledge it's heritage in the heritage round.
RoosterLad
13 May 2007, 23:36
I can't see why the club should fail to acknowledge it's heritage in the heritage round.
The Crows and the 9 SANFL sides are completely different clubs though. It is not a sign of Adelaide ignoring their heritage, they should respect the local teams and not play in their guernsey. I would be ****ing disgusted if Adelaide wore North's candy stripes or V.
The SANFL is our heritage... but like I've said previously, if we wear anything, let it be from the AFC history, like the 1996 preseason jumper.
Punchy Bassett
14 May 2007, 00:12
The SANFL is our heritage... but like I've said previously, if we wear anything, let it be from the AFC history, like the 1996 preseason jumper.
I loved that jumper it was awesome, and now that Adidas are our kit sponsors again see no reason why it couldn't be worn as they were the ones that originally produced it.
raboyle
14 May 2007, 00:20
They got the 2006 one right, I reckon.
Wearing their usual strip, but with the colours of all the SANFL clubs of the 80's in small stripes on one side of the club coat of arms.
I hear, however, that the old white-panel State jumper may be the avenue taken.
raboyle has the 1996 pre season guernsey...oh and how much do ya want for it mate? seriously :) ;)
raboyle
14 May 2007, 00:23
Sorry... I ain't letting go of that one!
We should petition the club to bring that back for the NAB Cup next year!!!
I really, really wanted one, and that year for my birthday my parentals got my the regular home and away guernsey, collar and all...
raboyle
14 May 2007, 00:39
I've got more than that in the my collection.
raboyle
14 May 2007, 00:56
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL563/2751398/inbox/49338.jpg
'04 AFC heritage jumper and framed CDFC jumper with siggies from '03 premiership team.
Other fully signed gear:
'05 AFC heritage jumper
'06 AFC heritage jumper
'04 CDFC jumper with premiership team signatures
'05 CDFC jumper with premiership team signatures
'06 SANFL state jumper -- signatures of team that played WAFL
'03-'04 Adelaide United NSL home strip
Other stuff
AFC Pre-Season jumper (couple of siggies)
AFC road-sign away jumper
Adelaide United A-League strip & NSL strip
relapse
14 May 2007, 01:29
Thanks for the English lesson matey, but I'm well aware of what heritage means.
Still doesn't sway my belief that we shouldn't wear individual SANFL club guernseys or the State guernsey for that matter.
It's a SANFL representative jumper not a "state" jumper. Otherwise why are a whole heap of vics running around in the jumper in the annual SANFL V VFL game ???
IMO there is no such thing in football as a state jumper, even the state of origin was which league the player started in hence why Carey played once for us. This jumper has always been a representative jumper of the SANFL and not indicative of being a South Australian.
raboyle
14 May 2007, 01:34
Same jumper, different levels.
AFL State of Origin -- state jumper
SANFL & Amateurs -- rep jumper
dyertribe
14 May 2007, 01:41
It's a SANFL representative jumper not a "state" jumper. Otherwise why are a whole heap of vics running around in the jumper in the annual SANFL V VFL game ???
IMO there is no such thing in football as a state jumper, even the state of origin was which league the player started in hence why Carey played once for us. This jumper has always been a representative jumper of the SANFL and not indicative of being a South Australian.
Eh?
Where did I mention anything about who actually gets to wear it vis-a-vis their state of origin etc? ie "Wah wah Reilly can't wear it he is a Victorian :mad:" - it's far simpler and less jingoistic than that.
The reason we shouldn't wear the state guernsey is because at any level, to be selected to represent either your state or league is an honour above and beyond club football and it should remain that way.
If Jezza Clayton (Vic.) or Brett Backwell (Qld.) wear the red, blue and gold state jumper in the service of the SANFL that's fine - they've earned that privilege.
The Adelaide Football Club is just that, a club, and as such the State guernseys - past or present - should be offlimits.
relapse
14 May 2007, 03:07
Eh?
Where did I mention anything about who actually gets to wear it vis-a-vis their state of origin etc? ie "Wah wah Reilly can't wear it he is a Victorian :mad:" - it's far simpler and less jingoistic than that.
The reason we shouldn't wear the state guernsey is because at any level, to be selected to represent either your state or league is an honour above and beyond club football and it should remain that way.
If Jezza Clayton (Vic.) or Brett Backwell (Qld.) wear the red, blue and gold state jumper in the service of the SANFL that's fine - they've earned that privilege.
The Adelaide Football Club is just that, a club, and as such the State guernseys - past or present - should be offlimits.
But you're contradicting yourself, in one breath you are saying it is a state jumper and in another breath you are saying it is a representation of the SANFL. I am merely saying that the jumpers are a SANFL representative jumper and not a "state" jumper so to speak.
Hence the reason why Adelaide have chosen to wear them, not because they represent South Australia even though in some quasi way they do, but because the represent the SANFL just the same as Jeremy Clayton does when he wears it. He isnt representing South Australia he is representing the SANFL.
relapse
14 May 2007, 03:09
Same jumper, different levels.
AFL State of Origin -- state jumper
SANFL & Amateurs -- rep jumper
Dont agree, its a representative SANFL jumper its the only logical link between the two.
If they had specific jumpers for state of origin that would be one thing, but every side that represents the SANFL uses that jumper therefore it cannot be defined IMO as a state jumper.
Mr Crow!
14 May 2007, 16:22
In my opinion, this is EASILY our best heritage jumper:
http://www.bomberblitz.com/~rmered/images/Adelaide-Heritage-2005.gif
Wish it was for sale!
On a different note... given that the Crows celebrate their heritage by coming from the SANFL, for Heritage round, we should wear each year a different SANFL team jumper... starting with the Port Adelaide Prison Bar Jumper! ;)
2008 Port Adelaide Jumper
2009 Norwood Jumper
2010 South Adelaide Jumper
Etc...
Isn't it ironic that our heritage is shared with Port Adelaide... yuck!
dyertribe
14 May 2007, 16:31
But you're contradicting yourself, in one breath you are saying it is a state jumper and in another breath you are saying it is a representation of the SANFL. I am merely saying that the jumpers are a SANFL representative jumper and not a "state" jumper so to speak.
How is it a contradiction to say that State guernseys should be reserved as a privilege for Origin and Representative games above and beyond club football?
Hence the reason why Adelaide have chosen to wear them, not because they represent South Australia even though in some quasi way they do, but because the represent the SANFL just the same as Jeremy Clayton does when he wears it. He isnt representing South Australia he is representing the SANFL.
The Adelaide Football Club represents the Adelaide Football Club on the field in the Australian Football League club competition.
The SANFL select squad to face the VFL/WAFL/TFL/NTFL represents the SANFL on the field in what are generally called 'State' games.
If you want to be pedantic with the terminology, it is still a privilege above and beyond club football - something to earn - the best of the best. Clubs should not wear State or Representative guernseys by default.
Seanason
14 May 2007, 18:11
We are formed from SANFL.
SANFL league is our heritage, not the clubs from inside it.
State Jumpers are the way to go.
And Poo fans that are having a whinge about barracking against a state jumper - realise that we have the state colours. We were formed from the State league. You were supporters until your new team came along - if heritage round existed back in the day you would have no quams with the state jumper - probably would have encouraged it.
We support the prison bar guernsey, so Support our jumper or **** off.
"We are the team for all South Australains
dyertribe
14 May 2007, 18:26
State Jumpers are the way to go.
No.
And Poo fans that are having a whinge about barracking against a state jumper - realise that we have the state colours. We were formed from the State league.
I think you'll find a helluva lot of Crows fans disagree with wearing the state guernsey.
I think you'll find a helluva lot of Crows fans disagree with wearing the state guernsey.
gotta be honest... not too sure about that. I think you are the only one I have come across so far.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 18:47
I'm not keen on Crow players wearing our state guernsey as that is an honour, it has to be earnt. We should just wear some guernsey we wore in the 90s or even not bother with heritage round at all.
dyertribe
14 May 2007, 18:48
gotta be honest... not too sure about that. I think you are the only one I have come across so far.
Thing is, this debate has come up numerous times before in the past so many years - and previously practically everyone has rejected the idea of wearing a State guernsey with only a few people saying yes to it.
From memory Stiffy18, Noddy, Macca23, ant and a lot of the other regulars are in my camp - provided they haven't changed their minds since 2005.
The other issue is, what happens if Origin comes back now that the IR gimmick looks dead?
I repeat. The State/Representative guernseys should be reserved as a privilege above and beyond club football - not as a default club guernsey to assuage a gimmicky circle-jerk for Victorian clubs.
I'm not keen on Crow players wearing our state guernsey as that is an honour, it has to be earnt. We should just wear some guernsey we were in the 90s or even not bother with heritage round at all.
but the problem is that the current jumper is basically exactly the same as our first guernsey except that the numbers now have white outlines, and there is blue stripes up the side. But they can't be removed because thats just the way the guernseys are manufactured. so original guernsey versus not bothering is pretty much the same thing.
i do like the idea of an SA state guernsey because it represents what we were fromed from, the SANFL, or if you like, South Australian football. I must stress though that i AM NOT FOR wearing the current SA jumper, only past versions.
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 18:52
but the problem is that the current jumper is basically exactly the same as our first guernsey except that the numbers now have white outlines, and there is blue stripes up the side. But they can't be removed because thats just the way the guernseys are manufactured. so original guernsey versus not bothering is pretty much the same thing.
i do like the idea of an SA state guernsey because it represents what we were fromed from, the SANFL, or if you like, South Australian football. I must stress though that i AM NOT FOR wearing the current SA jumper, only past versions.
Well then so be it, I don't give a shit about the AFL's version of Heritage Round. It's just a weekend where vic clubs can reminisce about the times when they played in every grand final and didn't have to worry about those pesky interstaters.
Well then so be it, I don't give a shit about the AFL's version of Heritage Round. It's just a weekend where vic clubs can reminisce about the times when they played in every grand final and didn't have to worry about those pesky interstaters.
True... i am starting to come to the belief that the AFL should just do away with it. Alot of clubs are out of options now anyway, and are just re-hashing the same ones again. And there is too much bitching about it.
Get rid of it, and just let individual clubs wear "heritage" guernseys in significant games or something if they like. I would love to see Carlton in their old 1930's - 1996 CFC style jumper playing Collingwood in their white with black stripes jumper.
But if they persist, I think we should wear an old state guernsey as it best represents our heritage.
Stiffy_18
14 May 2007, 19:10
Thing is, this debate has come up numerous times before in the past so many years - and previously practically everyone has rejected the idea of wearing a State guernsey with only a few people saying yes to it.
From memory Stiffy18, Noddy, Macca23, ant and a lot of the other regulars are in my camp - provided they haven't changed their minds since 2005.
The other issue is, what happens if Origin comes back now that the IR gimmick looks dead?
I repeat. The State/Representative guernseys should be reserved as a privilege above and beyond club football - not as a default club guernsey to assuage a gimmicky circle-jerk for Victorian clubs.
I haven't changed my mind but I have come to the realisation that the club wants to participate in the Heritage round for simple reason, $$$$$$
They will once again adapt a state jumper or just design something new. That way they can sell some of those "limited edition" jumpers and get some money out of it.
I personally find all this heritage rounds as AFL taking the piss out of all the non victorian clubs.