View Full Version : Austin Wonaemirri- Draft Priority
Drummond
14 May 2007, 16:40
We need to make this guy a priority in the upcoming AFL Draft. He’s 18 years of age, is 176cm and 76 kg’s, and in his 5 league games for Norwood he has kicked 5 goals. He’s an Aboriginal with blistering pace and would be a terrific acquisition to our team.
Everyone has been saying we need a crumber with pace, well here is our man. :thumbsu:
Viva la Mattner
14 May 2007, 16:44
We need to make this guy a priority in the upcoming AFL Draft. He’s 182cm and 78 kg’s, and in his 5 league games for Norwood he has kicked 5 goals. He’s an Aboriginal with blistering pace and would be a terrific acquisition to our team.
Everyone has been saying we need a crumber with pace, well here is our man. :thumbsu:
sounds good :thumbsu:
i think there was an article about him in the paper a few weeks ago.......
From Norwood you say
One to definitely watch then
macca23
14 May 2007, 16:46
sounds good :thumbsu:
i think there was an article about him in the paper a few weeks ago.......
And he does come from the right SANFL club!! ;) :p
Drummond
14 May 2007, 16:51
Forgot to mention he's only 18. :thumbsu:
betterthanu
14 May 2007, 16:53
Everyone has been saying we need a crumber with pace, well here is our man. :thumbsu:
People on the Richmond board seem to think Danny Meyers on the way out. He would be an ideal crumber and hes lightning quick. Could prob pick him up for a 2nd round draft pick if he said he wanted to come here. He went for essendon pre-AFL but i think he wants to come back to Adelaide to play. Hes my age so hes either 19 or 20 with plenty of improvement to come. If he leaves Richmond we should at least make an attempt to pick him up
Punchy Bassett
14 May 2007, 16:54
Sign Aussie Up Now!
We need to make this guy a priority in the upcoming AFL Draft. He’s 18 years of age, is 182cm and 78 kg’s, and in his 5 league games for Norwood he has kicked 5 goals. He’s an Aboriginal with blistering pace and would be a terrific acquisition to our team.
Everyone has been saying we need a crumber with pace, well here is our man. :thumbsu:
Pass. ;)
Punchy Bassett
14 May 2007, 16:56
Pass. ;)
Have you actually watched him play?
I just hope we dont get too aboriginal conscious and pick a player on his talent now and not any perceived talent. ( yes this goes against the draft/rookie process but I know what I mean :o )
Have you actually watched him play?
You didn't see the smilie?
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 17:02
It's quite obvious Gets! was extracting the urine because every Norwood player seemed to get talked up big time on here by the Norwood Massive.
Vic Crow
14 May 2007, 17:02
Hes my age so hes either 19 or 20 with plenty of improvement to come.
By this we can also conclude that you have plenty of improvement to come. :thumbsu:
Drummond
14 May 2007, 17:05
People on the Richmond board seem to think Danny Meyers on the way out. He would be an ideal crumber and hes lightning quick. Could prob pick him up for a 2nd round draft pick if he said he wanted to come here. He went for essendon pre-AFL but i think he wants to come back to Adelaide to play. Hes my age so hes either 19 or 20 with plenty of improvement to come. If he leaves Richmond we should at least make an attempt to pick him up
I would love Meyer at the Crows. I would trade a 2nd round pick for him in a heartbeat. Not many Tiger fans seem to speak too highly of him but with his athleticism, speed and ability to kick freakish goals he would be more than welcome in our team.
Wonaemirri & Meyer roaming the forward line, too good to be true. ;)
Interesting...sounds good. Is he homegrown or has he come over from elsewhere to play in the SANFL?
St Mary's, NT.
Stiffy_18
14 May 2007, 17:12
Before I even opened this thread I had a funny feeling the lad was from Norwood.
They way we read about these Norwood champions in the making on this board one could be forgiven for thinking that Norwood are THE powerhouse of the SANFL these days :D :p
Before I even opened this thread I had a funny feeling the lad was from Norwood.
They way we read about these Norwood champions in the making on this board one could be forgiven for thinking that Norwood are THE powerhouse of the SANFL these days :D :p
Central 10
Port 8
North 7
Sturt 6
Eagles 4
West 4
South 3
Norwood 2
Glenelg 2
betterthanu
14 May 2007, 17:30
By this we can also conclude that you have plenty of improvement to come. :thumbsu:
Sure why not. He was in my year at school but i didn't know how old he was so hence why i said that. I'm still waiting for my SFL club to trade me to the crows cos of all that improvement i have in me.
saw him at the adelaide state screening last year, was very disappointing, havent seen him play footy though
hey shorty
14 May 2007, 17:34
Yeah come on you redleg boys give it a rest. He might be worth it but we dont need to start threads over every single one of your players who has a promising 5 games. But if that is the case I might start a Jaime Vlatko thread.:p
Before I even opened this thread I had a funny feeling the lad was from Norwood.
They way we read about these Norwood champions in the making on this board one could be forgiven for thinking that Norwood are THE powerhouse of the SANFL these days :D :p
Norwood recruited him from St Mary's. And they ARE THE powerhouse team of the NTFL. Home of Michael Long and many others.
Punchy Bassett
14 May 2007, 18:09
You didn't see the smilie?
It's quite obvious Gets! was extracting the urine because every Norwood player seemed to get talked up big time on here by the Norwood Massive.
Sorry didnt appear first time I loaded page!
RoosterLad
14 May 2007, 18:09
Norwood recruited him from St Mary's. And they ARE THE powerhouse team of the NTFL. Home of Michael Long and many others.
Yes and what is your point? North Adelaide beat a NTFL select side which had a few SANFL players in it.. including the 06 Magarey Medallist I believe and that was our first game of the pre-season while they were gearing up for the finals. :cool:
Punchy Bassett
14 May 2007, 18:10
Yeah come on you redleg boys give it a rest. He might be worth it but we dont need to start threads over every single one of your players who has a promising 5 games. But if that is the case I might start a Jaime Vlatko thread.:p
But Jamie can kick straight-ish :D
hey shorty
14 May 2007, 18:13
Actually for how useless I thought he was he's been pretty reasonable this year so far. As for young Austin, lets see how he's going at the half way point before we start calling him a Priority.
Stiffy_18
14 May 2007, 18:14
Norwood recruited him from St Mary's. And they ARE THE powerhouse team of the NTFL. Home of Michael Long and many others.
Your point?!
Port_GW
14 May 2007, 21:42
I'm not trolling but i doubt the Crows would go for such a player after the draft failures of Tongerie and Ricky O'Loughlin.
glengowan
14 May 2007, 22:03
Crows fans keep an eye out for Jared Petrenko from the Eagles. He is in the under 18 state squad. Lightning quick, good defensively with brilliant skills, it wouldn't surprise me if he is taken fairly high in the next draft. Reminds me very much of a certain number 23 for the Crows. He should make his league debut very soon.
Redline
14 May 2007, 22:41
We need to make this guy a priority in the upcoming AFL Draft. He’s 18 years of age, is 182cm and 78 kg’s, and in his 5 league games for Norwood he has kicked 5 goals. He’s an Aboriginal with blistering pace and would be a terrific acquisition to our team.
Everyone has been saying we need a crumber with pace, well here is our man. :thumbsu:
Nice bloke too, loves Adelaide.
Kristof
14 May 2007, 23:29
I'm not trolling but i doubt the Crows would go for such a player after the draft failures of Tongerie and Ricky O'Loughlin.
I don't understand - we're not going to draft crumbing forwards?
If you're actually making a comment about race - I don't think the failure of O'Laughlin means we're going to stop drafting the Irish. We've done alright with the Scottish with Mcleod.
Crows fans keep an eye out for Jared Petrenko from the Eagles. He is in the under 18 state squad. Lightning quick, good defensively with brilliant skills, it wouldn't surprise me if he is taken fairly high in the next draft. Reminds me very much of a certain number 23 for the Crows. He should make his league debut very soon.
agree to some extent maybe not the mcleod reference though, the kid is a top footballer, played ressies last year too...
We will take Patrenko with pick 16.
Only cos how good it will sound to say his name when he snags a goal.
"Patrenkoooooooooooooo"
"Patrenkoooooooooooooo"
You beauhuty
Port_GW
15 May 2007, 01:33
I don't understand - we're not going to draft crumbing forwards?
If you're actually making a comment about race - I don't think the failure of O'Laughlin means we're going to stop drafting the Irish. We've done alright with the Scottish with Mcleod.
I just think the Crows would have felt they got burnt with the Tongerie and O'Loughlin recruiting, both were solid half forwards but couldn't lift their game sufficiently to the AFL, and i think guys such as John Reid, who were around when those guys were recruited, would want to be fairly certain that a flashy half forward was going to make the grade before drafting them.
If this young lad from the NT has a great year in the SANFL and shows he can play on the ball then it might be a different story.
Drummond
15 May 2007, 01:43
I just think the Crows would have felt they got burnt with the Tongerie and O'Loughlin recruiting, both were solid half forwards but couldn't lift their game sufficiently to the AFL, and i think guys such as John Reid, who were around when those guys were recruited, would want to be fairly certain that a flashy half forward was going to make the grade before drafting them.
If this young lad from the NT has a great year in the SANFL and shows he can play on the ball then it might be a different story.
You are so ill-informed on this one I’m not sure where to I start.
Every single draft selection is a risk, every one. But because we drafted Tongerie and O'Loughlin years ago, we should never again draft an Aboriginal goal sneak because we may be burnt? :rolleyes: Of course a lot depends on his SANFL form this season, and he has to show enough signs to indicate he is capable of playing AFL football. But in his 5 SANFL games, Wonaemirri has been high amongst the best in 2 outings, including his debut against the Magpies. He’s still got a long way to go, and no doubt there are weaknesses in his game, but he’s got amazing potential if you ask me. He’s only 18 years of age and has the appropriate height to play in the midfield, so I guess time will tell if he can add this to his game.
As I said in my initial post, he has unbelievable speed, something our club is desperate for and he would fill a position that is currently vacant. Bode probably doesn’t have too many years left in him and his body is unreliable, so we should be monitoring Wonaemirri’s process extremely closely. With his speed and the defensive pressure he applies on opposition defenders, added to the fact he is still young and will have an entire SANFL season of playing against hardened bodies, he shouldn’t have too many problems making the transition to the highest level IMO.
He’s not a sure thing, far from it, but he has the potential to be a terrific player.
Sanguinarius
15 May 2007, 01:45
We will take Patrenko with pick 16.
Only cos how good it will sound to say his name when he snags a goal.
"Patrenkoooooooooooooo"
lol, commontators were doing the same thing with "Jerichoooo!" in his first season.
Crow-mo
15 May 2007, 01:54
I just think the Crows would have felt they got burnt with the Tongerie and O'Loughlin recruiting, both were solid half forwards but couldn't lift their game sufficiently to the AFL, and i think guys such as John Reid, who were around when those guys were recruited, would want to be fairly certain that a flashy half forward was going to make the grade before drafting them.
I just think both those lads were drafted so ****ing low, that the club would not give a shit at this stage.
why do you think we would?
Your point?!
Before I even opened this thread I had a funny feeling the lad was from Norwood.
They way we read about these Norwood champions in the making on this board one could be forgiven for thinking that Norwood are THE powerhouse of the SANFL these days :D :p
Yes and what is your point? North Adelaide beat a NTFL select side which had a few SANFL players in it.. including the 06 Magarey Medallist I believe and that was our first game of the pre-season while they were gearing up for the finals. :cool:
My point was in answer to Stiffy's first post - having a crack at Drummond for highlighting yet another Norwood player and bagging Norwood for no longer being the powerhouse side they once were.
Coming from Norwood does not make him a champion in my eyes (I'm a little less blinkered than Drummond). However, before playing for Norwood the kid hailed from St Mary's in the NTFL.
Norwood may not be a powerhouse side, but St Mary's certainly are. St Mary's have won three of the past 5 NTFL premierships and won 12 of 14 between 1983/4 to 1996/97. The list of AFL players who originated at St Mary's is quite long and accomplished - led by the famous Michael Long.
Does this guarantee that the kid will make it at the AFL level and be a superstar? Heck no. But Drummond shouldn't be bagged for drawing our attention to a lightning fast small forward, when we all acknowledge this as one of Adelaide's "needs", simply because he happens to play for the Redlegs.
turbo182
15 May 2007, 10:22
Crows fans keep an eye out for Jared Petrenko from the Eagles. He is in the under 18 state squad. Lightning quick, good defensively with brilliant skills, it wouldn't surprise me if he is taken fairly high in the next draft. Reminds me very much of a certain number 23 for the Crows. He should make his league debut very soon.
Gees, way to put pressure on him.
Played a few junior games on him when I was seniors and he was pushing up an age group. Backs his pace bigtime. Haven't really seen him play since but. Was super quick back then though.
Threatened to run the whol field from a kick in at one stage until yours truly caught him on the members wing at SMOSH :P.
If you want quality SANFL youngsters check out Steve SUmmerton from Port.
Had over 20 disposals in EVERY game this year with a high of 35 in round 1. Three BOG's and high in the best every other week.
Supreme Skills. Only 19.
Stiffy_18
15 May 2007, 11:05
My point was in answer to Stiffy's first post - having a crack at Drummond for highlighting yet another Norwood player and bagging Norwood for no longer being the powerhouse side they once were.
Coming from Norwood does not make him a champion in my eyes (I'm a little less blinkered than Drummond). However, before playing for Norwood the kid hailed from St Mary's in the NTFL.
Norwood may not be a powerhouse side, but St Mary's certainly are. St Mary's have won three of the past 5 NTFL premierships and won 12 of 14 between 1983/4 to 1996/97. The list of AFL players who originated at St Mary's is quite long and accomplished - led by the famous Michael Long.
Does this guarantee that the kid will make it at the AFL level and be a superstar? Heck no. But Drummond shouldn't be bagged for drawing our attention to a lightning fast small forward, when we all acknowledge this as one of Adelaide's "needs", simply because he happens to play for the Redlegs.
Wow! Hold your horses!
Every player that is listed on the Norwood list had to originate from somewhere else so your point is pretty much mute.
Yes, I had a tounge in cheek crack at Drummond here because the only players that appear to be AFL certanties or guns in the making are Norwood boys. He over inflates their value to no end.
He pumps up their tyres so much that one could be forgiven for thinking that Norwood are THE powerhouse team of the comp. Last year he was pumping up Meesen, Gibson, Campbell, Hughes Cockshell and a few others and we should draft them blah blah blah.
Its great that dude is a loyal redlegs fan and props to him for that, but its becoming predictable that he will pump up Norwood boys no matter what. Its like no other team produces quality players other than Norwood.
For all I know this kid could be the next McLeod or a next Eguene Warrior, but either way you know for certain that the Norwood contigent on this board will pump up his tyres regardless.
Wow! Hold your horses!
Every player that is listed on the Norwood list had to originate from somewhere else so your point is pretty much mute.
Yes, I had a tounge in cheek crack at Drummond here because the only players that appear to be AFL certanties or guns in the making are Norwood boys. He over inflates their value to no end.
He pumps up their tyres so much that one could be forgiven for thinking that Norwood are THE powerhouse team of the comp. Last year he was pumping up Meesen, Gibson, Campbell, Hughes Cockshell and a few others and we should draft them blah blah blah.
Its great that dude is a loyal redlegs fan and props to him for that, but its becoming predictable that he will pump up Norwood boys no matter what. Its like no other team produces quality players other than Norwood.
For all I know this kid could be the next McLeod or a next Eguene Warrior, but either way you know for certain that the Norwood contigent on this board will pump up his tyres regardless.
Fair enough. No doubting Drummond's proclivity for pumping the tyres of Norwood players.
However, just because a player comes from Norwood does not automatically mean that they don't have potential to be a star.
If you want quality SANFL youngsters check out Steve Summerton from Port.
I'd keep a close eye on both aussie and summerton - both have shown they have the ability to do something a little bit better than ordinary.
I'm a norwood supporter but summerton set up much of their play in the port v norwood game. he will be drafted somewhere this year.
However, just because a player comes from Norwood does not automatically mean that they have potential to be a star.
Edited for Drummoncuracy ;)
Gees, way to put pressure on him.
Played a few junior games on him when I was seniors and he was pushing up an age group. Backs his pace bigtime. Haven't really seen him play since but. Was super quick back then though.
Threatened to run the whol field from a kick in at one stage until yours truly caught him on the members wing at SMOSH :P.
If you want quality SANFL youngsters check out Steve SUmmerton from Port.
Had over 20 disposals in EVERY game this year with a high of 35 in round 1. Three BOG's and high in the best every other week.
Supreme Skills. Only 19.
agree with Summerton, the kid is a natural footballer and in my eyes has been very very stiff to miss out the past couple of seasons in the draft. Surprisingly overlooked for the state 18s squad last year. Query over his pace and size has probably held him back but if he keeps this form up he is a monty to get drafted. Same queries that were over porps too, so i would take a risk on him... ball finding ability and skills are sensational have seen a lot of him up close on the field and rate him highly
Drummond
15 May 2007, 15:25
Summerton's stats in 2007:
34 disposals, 9 marks, 1 goal
29 disposals, 2 marks, 1 goal
21 disposals, 5 marks, 1 goal
15 disposals, 2 marks, 1 goal
21 disposals, 7 marks, 2 goals
29 disposals, 10 marks, 0 goals
Averages of 24.8 disposals, 5.8 marks and 1 goal per game.
Extremely impressive.
Summerton's stats in 2007:
34 disposals, 9 marks, 1 goal
29 disposals, 2 marks, 1 goal
21 disposals, 5 marks, 1 goal
15 disposals, 2 marks, 1 goal
21 disposals, 7 marks, 2 goals
29 disposals, 10 marks, 0 goals
Averages of 24.8 disposals, 5.8 marks and 1 goal per game.
Extremely impressive.
and he is a hard nut too
hey shorty
15 May 2007, 17:13
We should keep a close eye on that kid, definetly has some talent. No dount others would be looking at him too which could suggest he might go early, depending on the rest of his season.
Throughandthrough
15 May 2007, 18:07
Yes and what is your point? North Adelaide beat a NTFL select side which had a few SANFL players in it.. including the 06 Magarey Medallist I believe and that was our first game of the pre-season while they were gearing up for the finals. :cool:
Brett Backwell played in Darwin last season?
God, he'll be surprised to find that out.
Calcium Man
15 May 2007, 18:21
People on the Richmond board seem to think Danny Meyers on the way out. He would be an ideal crumber and hes lightning quick. Could prob pick him up for a 2nd round draft pick if he said he wanted to come here. He went for essendon pre-AFL but i think he wants to come back to Adelaide to play. Hes my age so hes either 19 or 20 with plenty of improvement to come. If he leaves Richmond we should at least make an attempt to pick him up
People on the richmond board also want terry wallace to play everyone on our list who is 22 years or younger and still expect us to make the top 8. They also think that deledio will never be a midfielder because of one bad game.
I would be shattered if we lost meyer to you guys because i think he is something special. Needs a kick up the arse but will be very special like a didak or nathan brown.
CrowHop
15 May 2007, 18:22
I'm not trolling but i doubt the Crows would go for such a player after the draft failures of Tongerie and Ricky O'Loughlin.
You're either trolling or just naive. What a stupid comment !
NC: "Fanta, should we pick Austin Wonaemirri with our fifth rounder ?"
JF: "Nah, remember when we picked Tongerie 15 years ago and he turned out a flop ?"
NC: "Nope :confused:"
JF: "Remember when we picked Ricky O, 8 years ago and he was a flop ?"
NC: "Nope :confused: "
JF: "Well they were"
NC: "Does that mean Austin will be a flop ?"
JF: ???
CrowHop
15 May 2007, 18:24
People on the richmond board also want terry wallace to play everyone on our list who is 22 years or younger and still expect us to make the top 8. They also think that deledio will never be a midfielder because of one bad game.
I would be shattered if we lost meyer to you guys because i think he is something special. Needs a kick up the arse but will be very special like a didak or nathan brown.
Unfortunately we haven't seen much of Danny so probably pretty hard to make a judgement on him. He was obviously rated highly when taken as a first rounder though.
What's stopping him becoming a quality young onballer ? Injuries ? Opportunities (surely not) ? Too light ? Not good enough ?
RoosterLad
15 May 2007, 18:25
Brett Backwell played in Darwin last season?
God, he'll be surprised to find that out.
Yes that is why I said "I believe" as I wasn't quite sure, it was a long time ago and quite a few bevvys were sunk by myself that weekend. I stand corrected :cool:
Calcium Man
15 May 2007, 18:47
Unfortunately we haven't seen much of Danny so probably pretty hard to make a judgement on him. He was obviously rated highly when taken as a first rounder though.
What's stopping him becoming a quality young onballer ? Injuries ? Opportunities (surely not) ? Too light ? Not good enough ?
Work ethic. Can seem lazy and disinterested on the training track as well as at VFL games. But sometimes you watch him at VFL level and he lifts his work rate and looks well and truly a class above everyone elso on the field.
Is also still a bit light. I dont think he has put on much weight since he started at the club, but whether this is because he struggles to put on weight or his lack of effort in the weights room im not sure.
Was unlucky to be dropped after the cats game as he played forward and really didnt get a lot of opportunity.
Port_GW
16 May 2007, 01:31
You're either trolling or just naive. What a stupid comment !
NC: "Fanta, should we pick Austin Wonaemirri with our fifth rounder ?"
JF: "Nah, remember when we picked Tongerie 15 years ago and he turned out a flop ?"
NC: "Nope :confused:"
JF: "Remember when we picked Ricky O, 8 years ago and he was a flop ?"
NC: "Nope :confused: "
JF: "Well they were"
NC: "Does that mean Austin will be a flop ?"
JF: ???
Why would he ask Fantasia, hes not even employed by the club is he?
Port_GW
16 May 2007, 01:32
You are so ill-informed on this one I’m not sure where to I start.
Every single draft selection is a risk, every one. But because we drafted Tongerie and O'Loughlin years ago, we should never again draft an Aboriginal goal sneak because we may be burnt? :rolleyes: Of course a lot depends on his SANFL form this season, and he has to show enough signs to indicate he is capable of playing AFL football. But in his 5 SANFL games, Wonaemirri has been high amongst the best in 2 outings, including his debut against the Magpies. He’s still got a long way to go, and no doubt there are weaknesses in his game, but he’s got amazing potential if you ask me. He’s only 18 years of age and has the appropriate height to play in the midfield, so I guess time will tell if he can add this to his game.
As I said in my initial post, he has unbelievable speed, something our club is desperate for and he would fill a position that is currently vacant. Bode probably doesn’t have too many years left in him and his body is unreliable, so we should be monitoring Wonaemirri’s process extremely closely. With his speed and the defensive pressure he applies on opposition defenders, added to the fact he is still young and will have an entire SANFL season of playing against hardened bodies, he shouldn’t have too many problems making the transition to the highest level IMO.
He’s not a sure thing, far from it, but he has the potential to be a terrific player.
How many flashy half forwards have the Crows drafted since Ricky O'Loughlin?
Drummond
16 May 2007, 01:45
How many flashy half forwards have the Crows drafted since Ricky O'Loughlin?
What so you’re implying that we keep passing on small Aboriginal forwards because of our drafting history with them? Give me a break. Who out there have we missed out on, besides the two Davey boys?
There are a whole list of reasons why we haven’t drafted any since, either because they’ve been drafted before we’ve had a chance (Faulkner, Sampi, Tambling ect) or because we felt there were better prospects available when it’s been out time to pick.
Port_GW
16 May 2007, 01:51
What so you’re implying that we keep passing on small Aboriginal forwards because of our drafting history with them? Give me a break. Who out there have we missed out on, besides the two Davey boys?
There are a whole list of reasons why we haven’t drafted any since, either because they’ve been drafted before we’ve had a chance (Faulkner, Sampi, Tambling ect) or because we felt there were better prospects available when it’s been out time to pick.
I'm just making a comment that i think the Crows might have been put off recruiting such players as a result of the lack of success with O'Loughlin and Tongerie. You can say what you like, i'm just theorising, and i dont necessarily agree that the young lad from Norwood wouldn't make it, i'm just saying they may have a policy of not speculating on such a player unless hes absolute quality.
Stiffy_18
16 May 2007, 01:51
How many flashy half forwards have the Crows drafted since Ricky O'Loughlin?
I think the question should be in how many flashy HF have we shown interest in since Ricky O'Loughlin?
We had interest in Faulkner but he was picked up before our pick which we used on Jericho. We also expressed interest in Motlop but he chose your lot.
But I think you are half right about not specifically targeting forward specialists. We seem to focus more on the versatile players that can play in the midfield, forward line or defence.
If you are thinking along the lines of not picking up Aboriginal players because of those 2, then I think you are greatly mistaken.
Port_GW
16 May 2007, 01:55
I think the question should be in how many flashy HF have we shown interest in since Ricky O'Loughlin?
We had interest in Faulkner but he was picked up before our pick which we used on Jericho. We also expressed interest in Motlop but he chose your lot.
But I think you are half right about not specifically targeting forward specialists. We seem to focus more on the versatile players that can play in the midfield, forward line or defence.
If you are thinking along the lines of not picking up Aboriginal players because of those 2, then I think you are greatly mistaken.
I'm not saying Aborginal players in general, i'm talking about such players who are probably restricted to a role across half forward, and aren't really able to play in the midfield or even in defence. Players such as Goodes or S Burgoyne i'm sure they'd look at, but not ones similar to Tongerie who basically can only play half forward.
Crow-mo
16 May 2007, 02:01
How many flashy half forwards have the Crows drafted since Ricky O'Loughlin?
what, don't you know?
Why would he ask Fantasia, hes not even employed by the club is he?
was thinking the same thing...
I'm not saying Aborginal players in general, i'm talking about such players who are probably restricted to a role across half forward, and aren't really able to play in the midfield or even in defence. Players such as Goodes or S Burgoyne i'm sure they'd look at, but not ones similar to Tongerie who basically can only play half forward.
You could probably add R Burns to the Tongerie/O'Loughlin list.
I think that maybe Craig doesn't rate the small crumbing forward that much, especially a specialist one. Seems that even Bode has to perform out of his skin to be safe the next week. And his reluctance to play a Johncock or McLeod there - maybe he feels that a backup midfielder type can do the job in the forward line as a crumber????
WheresGroomgone
16 May 2007, 18:50
Wow! Hold your horses!
For all I know this kid could be the next McLeod or a next Eguene Warrior, but either way you know for certain that the Norwood contigent on this board will pump up his tyres regardless.
Eugene Warrior rings a bell what did he do and where did he come from?
Carl Spackler
16 May 2007, 19:40
I just think the Crows would have felt they got burnt with the Tongerie and O'Loughlin recruiting, both were solid half forwards but couldn't lift their game sufficiently to the AFL, and i think guys such as John Reid, who were around when those guys were recruited, would want to be fairly certain that a flashy half forward was going to make the grade before drafting them.
Neale Daniher made an interesting comment a year or two ago when he was asked how on earth could all 16 AFL clubs overlook Aaron Davey in the draft. He answered that it was because Leon Davis had played so badly in the 2002 and 2003 Grand Finals. He said that everyone had looked at the stronger bodies of Brisbane and the players chosen in the draft reflected the perception that lightly framed players would struggle in today's football.
I don't know if he's right or not but it was an interesting observation. What affect will the exploits of Davey x 2 and Nathan Krakouer have on people's perceptions?
CrowHop
17 May 2007, 15:57
If it was so obvious, why didnt Melbourne pick him up earlier ? The reality is, that light bodied one dimensional draftees aren't priorities in the National Draft.
Macca19
17 May 2007, 17:49
I couldnt believe Davey didnt get drafted back in 02 when he was with the Magpies. Played some stunning games that year.
Summerton is a good player. Very impressive on how he has improved in the past 12 months. His form this year has come out of nowhere. I just have big doubts about whether he could make it at AFL level at his size and pace. Hes tiny and hes not quick either. But he just finds the ball and uses it pretty well. Reminds me a lot of Bucky Cunningham.
macca23
17 May 2007, 22:29
I couldnt believe Davey didnt get drafted back in 02 when he was with the Magpies. Played some stunning games that year.
Summerton is a good player. Very impressive on how he has improved in the past 12 months. His form this year has come out of nowhere. I just have big doubts about whether he could make it at AFL level at his size and pace. Hes tiny and hes not quick either. But he just finds the ball and uses it pretty well. Reminds me a lot of Bucky Cunningham.
Played in a different era where pace wasn't quite as important.
What a great player he was - one of my all-time favourite players.
Off the field, apart from being a pretty smart cookie, he has always been one of nature's gentlemen.
A pretty good package overall - what a bloody disgrace that Anderson got the AFL job in front of Bucky.
Drummond
6 Jul 2007, 00:09
We need to make this guy a priority in the upcoming AFL Draft. He’s 18 years of age, is 182cm and 78 kg’s, and in his 5 league games for Norwood he has kicked 5 goals. He’s an Aboriginal with blistering pace and would be a terrific acquisition to our team.
Everyone has been saying we need a crumber with pace, well here is our man. :thumbsu:
Northern Territory 13.12 (90) defeated Tasmania 5.15 (45)
Goals: NT: Rolfe 4, Whitehurst 3, Motlop 2, Talbot, Calma-Holt, Phoenix, Shannon Rioli. Tasmania: Bowden 2, Rohizat, O’Garey, McShane
Best: NT: Wonaeamirri, C.Rioli, Fittock, Liddle, Rolfe, Motlop, Stokes. Tasmania: Williams, Bowden, Joseph, Murphy, Sheean, Collier
I'm telling you guys, this is our man. Of course I'm biased, but he's exactly what we need!!!
As a goalsneak? I didnt notice him kick any goals.
Love to see his stats, but you dont get best for being ordinary so kudos to the young lad and lets see him develop more consistency
Drummond
14 Jul 2007, 01:51
Austin Wonaeamirri picked up the NAB Most Valuable Player Award for Northern Territory.
Wonaeamirri, a small defender/midfielder from St Marys in Darwin, caught the eye with his dash from defence. He excelled in the wet conditions at Skilled Stadium, where the Northern Territory recorded an outstanding victory over Tassie.
He topped off a great championship with his super performance against Queensland at Victoria Park, where he gained 23 disposals – including 11 handball receives. He finished with 71 possessions
Aussie here we come! :thumbsu: ;)
Aussie here we come! :thumbsu: ;)
Good spot Drum :p
RoosterLad
14 Jul 2007, 15:57
Yep he plays for Norwood so we must draft him as he has totally dominated for Norwood this year :rolleyes:
Crow-mo
15 Jul 2007, 03:24
and of course, as a Norwood player no other team has watched him or are allowed to draft him :)
Kristof
15 Jul 2007, 04:26
A question - who would be the number one Aboriginal player to have played for Norwood over the years? I can't think of a true star off the top of my head ...
Asgardian
15 Jul 2007, 08:34
Eugene Warrior rings a bell what did he do and where did he come from?
He was a Port Magpies player, smart around the goals, elusive type, but had serious brain fades, was drafted by the Crows, but did nothing for them. Left Port joining Norwood, and played a good game for them in their 1997 G/F win against Port. Left Norwood to rejoin Port, but the discipline problems were just too much. If memory serves, he tried with another SANFL club, but nothing eventuated.
Summerton is a good player. Very impressive on how he has improved in the past 12 months. His form this year has come out of nowhere. I just have big doubts about whether he could make it at AFL level at his size and pace. Hes tiny and hes not quick either. But he just finds the ball and uses it pretty well. Reminds me a lot of Bucky Cunningham.
Good grief Craig, you aren't old enough to have seen Bucky play, just the few matches on video are nowhere near enough to get a line on how great Bucky really was. He was quick, had no preferred side, a footy brain & too brave for his own good.
If he wanted to play VFL he would have been a sensation over there.
relapse
15 Jul 2007, 10:02
You could probably add R Burns to the Tongerie/O'Loughlin list.
I think that maybe Craig doesn't rate the small crumbing forward that much, especially a specialist one. Seems that even Bode has to perform out of his skin to be safe the next week. And his reluctance to play a Johncock or McLeod there - maybe he feels that a backup midfielder type can do the job in the forward line as a crumber????
Ronnie Burns was actually a player gifted to Adelaide by Geelong, Geelong were still paying half of his contract when he was playing for us.
Obviously Geelong wanted to unload him and we took him for nothing. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt, Peter Caven was one of the best players we ever grabbed for nothing from Sydney as part of the D Jarman deal.
Stiffy_18
15 Jul 2007, 14:55
Ronnie Burns was actually a player gifted to Adelaide by Geelong, Geelong were still paying half of his contract when he was playing for us.
Obviously Geelong wanted to unload him and we took him for nothing. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt, Peter Caven was one of the best players we ever grabbed for nothing from Sydney as part of the D Jarman deal.
I for the life of me cannot figure out how some people can say that Ronnie Burns was a bad trade. We got him for practically zilch!!! We gave up Ben Finnin who didn't even play 1 AFL game and was struggling here. We got Roonie Burns for Ben Finnin and on top of that Geelong were paying for over half of his salary.
Why not take a punt on a genuine goal sneak for practically nothing?! If anything, I think Ronnie was played a bit our of position while here. He was mainly played as a HFF where as IMHO, he is a dead set FP. He likes to see the ball coming at him, rather than run with the flight of it to be front and square at the contest.
He didn't have a great year with us, but he did play a couple of very good games for us and he cost us bugger all. That trade was WELL worth the punt.
Why not take a punt on a genuine goal sneak for practically nothing?! If anything, I think Ronnie was played a bit our of position while here. He was mainly played as a HFF where as IMHO, he is a dead set FP. He likes to see the ball coming at him, rather than run with the flight of it to be front and square at the contest.
I would have contacted one of those doctors that separate siamese twins and asked him to attach Ronnie to Wayne and play them in the square, what Wayne drops Ronnie crumbs
macca23
15 Jul 2007, 18:26
I for the life of me cannot figure out how some people can say that Ronnie Burns was a bad trade. We got him for practically zilch!!! We gave up Ben Finnin who didn't even play 1 AFL game and was struggling here. We got Roonie Burns for Ben Finnin and on top of that Geelong were paying for over half of his salary.
Why not take a punt on a genuine goal sneak for practically nothing?! If anything, I think Ronnie was played a bit our of position while here. He was mainly played as a HFF where as IMHO, he is a dead set FP. He likes to see the ball coming at him, rather than run with the flight of it to be front and square at the contest.
He didn't have a great year with us, but he did play a couple of very good games for us and he cost us bugger all. That trade was WELL worth the punt.
Good and accurate summary.
Thee only thing that went wrong with that trade is that Adolph Ayres would never play him as a FP, which was his specialist position.
At one stage Ayres was even playing him in the mid-field which was definitely not one of Burns's fortes, even ignoring the fact that he was only half fit.
The more the average supporter queried the fact that he wasn't being used in the FP, the less chance that he would be played there.
Not that Ayres was stubborn and inflexible. :( :thumbsd:
Burns may have cost us nothing, but why did we grab him in the first place? I would argue that we would have been better off simply delisting Finnin and drafting a new kid in his place.
Then again, we are talking about drafting under the Ayres regime....
Stiffy_18
16 Jul 2007, 15:22
Burns may have cost us nothing, but why did we grab him in the first place? I would argue that we would have been better off simply delisting Finnin and drafting a new kid in his place.
Then again, we are talking about drafting under the Ayres regime....
Why wouldn't you grab him?!
We were coming off a prelim final where many pundits believe that had we had a genuine key forward and a quick clever crumber would would have played off in a GF and possibly pinched a flag!
He was obtained at minimal cost and since we were in a top up mode, it was a great punt to take with a minimum risk and potential high return.
Not to mention it was one of the weakest draft pools in years. We took Jericho with our first pick (pick 32) and then went on to re-draft Shirley and used our last pick on Begley.
Capitalist
16 Jul 2007, 15:25
Why wouldn't you grab him?!
We were coming off a prelim final where many pundits believe that had we had a genuine key forward and a quick clever crumber would would have played off in a GF and possibly pinched a flag!
He was obtained at minimal cost and since we were in a top up mode, it was a great punt to take with a minimum risk and potential high return.
Not to mention it was one of the weakest draft pools in years. We took Jericho with our first pick (pick 32) and then went on to re-draft Shirley and used our last pick on Begley.
I agree with you on this one stiffy
its strange that this year is very similar (in terms of weak draft, needing a forward etc etc )
Stiffy_18
16 Jul 2007, 16:05
I agree with you on this one stiffy
its strange that this year is very similar (in terms of weak draft, needing a forward etc etc )
But two different situations IMHO. Back then we had our old guard that we relied on and really had no youngsters pushing for selection. It was all about the old guard of Stevens, Hart, Smart, Ricciuto, Edwards, Goodwin, McLeod, Bassett etc...
Now we do have a nice bunch of promising youngsters coming through the ranks in Knights, van Berlo, Douglas, Vince, Maric, Griffin, Tippett, Sellar, Pfeiffer et al... Back then we had Skippy as the one pushing for selection and many question marks over other players.
Plus, Carey was 30, and was just coming off a year where he played no football and was always going to take time to regain the touch. Not to mention that the year before sitting out a season, he was a shadow of his former self and only managed to play 14 games for 30 goals.
Pavlich is a different cattle of fish! He is 25 (will be 26 at the start of next season), in the prime of his football career and has some good years ahead o him. He is coming off a season where he is leading the race for a Coleman medal and will have another AA CHF on his resume. As a team we are in a place where our old guard has up to 3 years left but the mid age group of Rutten, Bock, Thompson, Reilly etc are all playing some good football and improving. And then you complement that with a promising group of youngsters who are also performing and improving at AFL level albeit a bit inconsistently. Inconsistency will improve with more games under their belt.
I think we are much better placed now in terms of young talent than we were back then. And this time if we do make a play for a big key forward, we are getting one in the prime of his career with a few good years left in him before he starts to slow down and become the sort of player we got with Carey.
If we do get Pavlich, it will be a much better move than the Carey one because you are not getting a 2-3 year rental but a player who is in the prime of his career and still some great years ahead of him.
We are in good position because we do have some wanted trade currency in our many ruckmen and we have enough good youth coming through that we can afford to "sit out" this draft which is considered weak any way.
We got McIntyre to promote, and I am willing to bet he would go high in this draft. Not top 10 but would at least crack the midish 2nd round and we have a AA 17 year old kid that we can pick up with the last pick in the draft where he would go MUCH earlier otherwise.
I think that this year we are in a great position to make that real push to get that gun key forward via trade. Thats if Craig is willing to do the right thing and put his dislike for trading process aside and go and earn his money in the trade week.
At the time, Adelaide drafted in two old forwards - Carey & Burns.
With Carey, it was an all or nothing gamble. Time has subsequently shown that it was a gamble which didn't pay off. So be it.
As far as I can see, the only reason we even contemplated trading for Burns is because he was Gary Ayres' love-child. Everyone knew he was well past his prime - Geelong were more than glad to get rid of him (as part of their post-Ayres clean out). Obviously you guys see it differently, but I will never understand why the Crows felt that they needed to obtain his services.
Truck Rutten
16 Jul 2007, 17:20
At the time, Adelaide drafted in two old forwards - Carey & Burns.
With Carey, it was an all or nothing gamble. Time has subsequently shown that it was a gamble which didn't pay off. So be it.
As far as I can see, the only reason we even contemplated trading for Burns is because he was Gary Ayres' love-child. Everyone knew he was well past his prime - Geelong were more than glad to get rid of him (as part of their post-Ayres clean out). Obviously you guys see it differently, but I will never understand why the Crows felt that they needed to obtain his services.
It was the same time that we traded Peter Vardy to Melbourne, so perhaps the club was hoping that Ronnie could chime in with enough goals to offset the loss of Vards.
Edit: My bad, Ronnie and Duck came a year after Vards left.
At the time, Adelaide drafted in two old forwards - Carey & Burns.
With Carey, it was an all or nothing gamble. Time has subsequently shown that it was a gamble which didn't pay off. So be it.
As far as I can see, the only reason we even contemplated trading for Burns is because he was Gary Ayres' love-child. Everyone knew he was well past his prime - Geelong were more than glad to get rid of him (as part of their post-Ayres clean out). Obviously you guys see it differently, but I will never understand why the Crows felt that they needed to obtain his services.
I was happy with both decisions. Hindsight is wonderful but meh. I felt both players , Carey and Burns, were played well out of position at times and should have been left to develop as a FF and FP crumber...as I noted above, Ronnie should have sat in Careys pocket match days and snared anything Carey dropped.
This then would have accelerated Perries development as a leading tall forward or CHF. ( I think Perrie lacked confidence to get in Careys way ) If the instructions were for Carey and Burns to stay in the square and Perrie to be the leading forward , the dilemma for opposition coaches would have been , double team Carey, and if the ball spills there is Burns, leaving Perrie alone to snaffle anything and everything, or go 1 on 1 on all 3
Kane McGoodwin
16 Jul 2007, 20:52
One thing is for sure, we need to draft a pacy forward/midfield crumber. We could do with some pace in the side & we cannot rely on Bode getting on the park.
This would be my 2nd priority after securing Pav.
crowsarethebest
16 Jul 2007, 21:48
One thing is for sure, we need to draft a pacy forward/midfield crumber. We could do with some pace in the side & we cannot rely on Bode getting on the park.
This would be my 2nd priority after securing Pav.
Agreed. We have no forward pressure at all... No one can chase down there. If the ball goes to ground level most of the time the ball rebounds straight out of out attacking fifty.
Port_GW
16 Jul 2007, 21:54
A question - who would be the number one Aboriginal player to have played for Norwood over the years? I can't think of a true star off the top of my head ...
Robbie Ahmat :D
Crow-mo
18 Jul 2007, 03:45
At the time, Adelaide drafted in two old forwards - Carey & Burns.
With Carey, it was an all or nothing gamble. Time has subsequently shown that it was a gamble which didn't pay off. So be it.
As far as I can see, the only reason we even contemplated trading for Burns is because he was Gary Ayres' love-child. Everyone knew he was well past his prime - Geelong were more than glad to get rid of him (as part of their post-Ayres clean out). Obviously you guys see it differently, but I will never understand why the Crows felt that they needed to obtain his services.
Geelong paid most of his salary, and he was worth a punt.
I can't see why the aggrieves you so much.
Sanguinarius
18 Jul 2007, 04:44
One thing is for sure, we need to draft a pacy forward/midfield crumber. We could do with some pace in the side & we cannot rely on Bode getting on the park.
This would be my 2nd priority after securing Pav.
from browsing the D&T forums, another Maric may fit this role perfectly and many seem to think he'll be around for our first round pick. Pacey forward with uncanny goal sense and good overhead mark. People question if he'd have the stamina for a full time role in the midfield - kinda like stiffy (sorry, Johncock) in that respect I guess.
thats assuming we dont trade it for Pav of course
Geelong paid most of his salary, and he was worth a punt.
I can't see why the aggrieves you so much.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
The way I saw it, we were taking onboard another 30+ year old veteran who had little to offer (he was no longer able to command a regular position in the Geelong team at the time). The fact that he cost us next to nothing is incidental.
We were a team almost completely bereft of youth (remember that Watts was the ONLY teenager on our list when Craig took over), and I would much rather have seen his position given to a youngster who may (or may not) have developed into a 10-year player.
It was a case of differing priorities - Ayres wanted to give his love-child another chance (and most of you guys seem to think that the trade was justifiable), I wanted to see some signs that Adelaide's future was NOT going to end with the imminent retirements of the fab four.
Stiffy_18
18 Jul 2007, 12:26
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
The way I saw it, we were taking onboard another 30+ year old veteran who had little to offer (he was no longer able to command a regular position in the Geelong team at the time). The fact that he cost us next to nothing is incidental.
We were a team almost completely bereft of youth (remember that Watts was the ONLY teenager on our list when Craig took over), and I would much rather have seen his position given to a youngster who may (or may not) have developed into a 10-year player.
It was a case of differing priorities - Ayres wanted to give his love-child another chance (and most of you guys seem to think that the trade was justifiable), I wanted to see some signs that Adelaide's future was NOT going to end with the imminent retirements of the fab four.
OK, so you are obsessed with youth!
Have a look at that draft and tell me how many players from that draft have become a regular AFL players and how many of them have become stars?!
It was one of the weakest drafts of all time! Goddard went 1, Wells went 2, Brennan at 3 and Walsh at 4! Who you ask?!
Crow-mo
18 Jul 2007, 19:44
not sure about this Ayre's love child routine either?
Kane McGoodwin
18 Jul 2007, 21:22
not sure about this Ayre's love child routine either?
No good to us as we couldn't get him under the father & son rule...
Drummond
21 Aug 2007, 19:50
However, it was flashy young Tiwi Islander Austin Wonaeamirri who stole the show with his silky skills, hard tackling and clean finishing (four goals).
I'm telling you, Aussie is a gun and he should be a priority for us. It’s not just my Norwood bias coming to the fore, with Bode constantly struggling with injury we need another small forward with pace and good defensive skills. Aussie is lightning quick, is a brilliant tackler, and he also works hard up the ground and is a crowd favourite down at the Parade.
Capitalist
21 Aug 2007, 19:57
I'm telling you, Aussie is a gun and he should be a priority for us. It’s not just my Norwood bias coming to the fore, with Bode constantly struggling with injury we need another small forward with pace and good defensive skills. Aussie is lightning quick, is a brilliant tackler, and he also works hard up the ground and is a crowd favourite down at the Parade.
regardless of bode we need another one, good luck to young Aussie hopefully we can pick him :thumbsu:
Wayne's-World
21 Aug 2007, 21:59
I'm telling you, Aussie is a gun and he should be a priority for us. It’s not just my Norwood bias coming to the fore, with Bode constantly struggling with injury we need another small forward with pace and good defensive skills. Aussie is lightning quick, is a brilliant tackler, and he also works hard up the ground and is a crowd favourite down at the Parade.
Looking at his body shape for a young kid .....I suspect he'll have ongoing weight issues as he gets older ......that would concern me greatly irrespective of talent
macca23
21 Aug 2007, 22:43
I'm telling you, Aussie is a gun and he should be a priority for us. It’s not just my Norwood bias coming to the fore, with Bode constantly struggling with injury we need another small forward with pace and good defensive skills. Aussie is lightning quick, is a brilliant tackler, and he also works hard up the ground and is a crowd favourite down at the Parade.
Norwood bias, Drummond??
Never!! :)
Punchy Bassett
22 Aug 2007, 20:11
OK hope this works, highlights from the game on the weekend, Aussie, Bryce and Jesse Aish all feature:
http://www.norwoodfc.com.au/redlegstv/highlights07/westatcoopers.html
earlsta
22 Aug 2007, 20:26
OK hope this works, highlights from the game on the weekend, Aussie, Bryce and Jesse Aish all feature:
http://www.norwoodfc.com.au/redlegstv/highlights07/westatcoopers.html
Yep it works :thumbsu:, Gee whiz Wonaemirri looks pretty good