Possible Delisitng

[From50]

I relise we are only 2 months in but who would you get rid of.
Mine: J. Hunt
S. Byrnes
C. Gardiner
K. Tenace

[darren forssman]

I relise we are only 2 months in but who would you get rid of.
Mine: J. Hunt
S. Byrnes
C. Gardiner
K. Tenace

yes very early, and you have excepted two prime candidates in:

h. playfair
m. spencer

[Hood007]

Hawkins and Selwood...
No talent :p

[rizzo]

Geelong has to take 3 picks in the national draft, and i think we will be keen to promote Grima. This means we have to make 4 delistings. I would be going with:

- Henry Playfair
- Charlie Gardiner
- Matthew Spencer
- Steven Owen or Shannon Byrnes

Geelong will need to place a high priority on drafting tall players this year to really level up our list.

[sarah.13]

H.Playfair, C.Cardiner,M.Spencer and S.Hunt.

[hbk_aus]

Playfair, Gardiner, Spencer, Callan or Owen.

No way Byrnes or Tenace would be delisted.

[Jim Boy]

King? Just doesn't seem to get his body on the park

[From50]

King? Just doesn't seem to get his body on the park

King was one of the first I thought of but I didn't want to ruffle and feather. Could Kingy be possible trade bait. I know he is getting on and injury prone, but for surely he has a bit left in the tank.

[hbk_aus]

King? Just doesn't seem to get his body on the park


Will defintely be trade bait, it would free up some salary cap space, thats for sure.

[sarah.13]

Will defintely be trade bait, it would free up some salary cap space, thats for sure.
King will not go to another club, if he gets his body right will play seniors at Geelong,if not will retire.
Owen has shown he has talent when he's been able to play,he deserves another year to show his stuff.
Callen is not getting a go but has the talent,possible trade,same goes for Byrnes.

[Sunovagun]

Definite delistings:

-gardiner
-playfair
-byrnes

those that would have to do a lot to impress me in the remainder of the season before i drop the axe:
-king
-tenace

Seriously tenace and byrnes are a waste of space. They cannot finish off. They aren't super bad players, but we have guys like TV, djerk, and stokes that are quick and can kick the pressure goals! I reckon use them as trade bait, cos we could get some decent picks/players if we traded them.

[hbk_aus]

Definite delistings:

-gardiner
-playfair
-byrnes

those that would have to do a lot to impress me in the remainder of the season before i drop the axe:
-king
-tenace

Seriously tenace and byrnes are a waste of space. They cannot finish off. They aren't super bad players, but we have guys like TV, djerk, and stokes that are quick and can kick the pressure goals! I reckon use them as trade bait, cos we could get some decent picks/players if we traded them.


I was saying we wouldnt delist them, for that very reason, to use as trade bait.

[chapmanmagic35]

Hunt and Tenace are trade bait. They would have value.

[jess_555]

Sorry to ruin the party but I'm pretty sure Shannon Byrnes still has another year on his contract after this one.

It's pretty rough talking about delistings already... but I would think that Playfair, Gardiner and Spencer are all on their final year at the cats. I wonder what the cats will do with Lonners and Reynolds.

[Catter]

Hunt and Tenace are trade bait. They would have value.

With the form of the Likes of DJ and Egan, Scarlo, Milburn can you fit joey in. I find him very one dimesional, talented but there may be some other blokes in front of him.

What type of player do we need

[hbk_aus]

King will not go to another club, if he gets his body right will play seniors at Geelong,if not will retire.

Are u kidding? We have 2 very good ruckmen already, his body is right now and he cant get a game. Given the fact that a) he is on a big wage and b)he still believes he can play at the highest level, of course Geelong would look to trade him. Are u saying that if a club like St.Kilda or Collingwood showed interest in him, he would say "no, if i cant play at Geelong, i dont want to play anywhere"???

[sarah.13]

Sorry to ruin the party but I'm pretty sure Shannon Byrnes still has another year on his contract after this one.

It's pretty rough talking about delistings already... but I would think that Playfair, Gardiner and Spencer are all on their final year at the cats. I wonder what the cats will do with Lonners and Reynolds.
Both on Rookie list for 1yr.Sadly Reynolds is gone,Lonners if he can make a successful recovery would get back on the list I would imagine,making it easier to drop Playfair and Spencer.

[rizzo]

Cats should Delist Lonners and Reynolds to. Both useless.

[hbk_aus]

Cats should Delist Lonners and Reynolds to. Both useless.


Reynolds looked good for a couple of NAB games, made me wonder if he couldnt play Gardiners role of fill-in forward when we have injuries, the leading-up-the-ground forward..

[linelefty]

Hold on a minute.......

I'd go easy on the delistings. If you look at the premiership teams of late (excl Sydney) they all have depth. If we get injuries then you know that Hunt, Byrnes, Playfair, Gardiner, & Tenace have significant experience and can step into the breach.

Sure you wouldn't trust them with your life but they're better than risky draftees.

If we were on a full rebuilding youth policy (which we would've been had we lost to the tiges) then yes, keep the core of top seniors and delist the rest! But when the window is open, senior 2nd rate players can be the difference between a premiership and.....well.....ending up like the Saints.

We've got some new drafted talent in the side, why do we need to take more risks when the window is open? Those guys are solid, experienced campaigners who our critical injury buffer.

[hbk_aus]

Hold on a minute.......

I'd go easy on the delistings. If you look at the premiership teams of late (excl Sydney) they all have depth. If we get injuries then you know that Hunt, Byrnes, Playfair, Gardiner, & Tenace have significant experience and can step into the breach.

Sure you wouldn't trust them with your life but they're better than risky draftees.

If we were on a full rebuilding youth policy (which we would've been had we lost to the tiges) then yes, keep the core of top seniors and delist the rest! But when the window is open, senior 2nd rate players can be the difference between a premiership and.....well.....ending up like the Saints.

We've got some new drafted talent in the side, why do we need to take more risks when the window is open? Those guys are solid, experienced campaigners who our critical injury buffer.


Point taken, i just think that these blokes have been tried and tested and have failed at the highest level, and i would rather try some other people who havent been tested, what have we got to lose?

[JUBJUB]

I relise we are only 2 months in but who would you get rid of.
Mine: J. Hunt
S. Byrnes
C. Gardiner
K. Tenace



From50
BigFooty Newbie


Join Date: May 2007
Club: Adelaide

What's this "we" business ?

:confused:

[sarah.13]

Hold on a minute.......

I'd go easy on the delistings. If you look at the premiership teams of late (excl Sydney) they all have depth. If we get injuries then you know that Hunt, Byrnes, Playfair, Gardiner, & Tenace have significant experience and can step into the breach.

Sure you wouldn't trust them with your life but they're better than risky draftees.

If we were on a full rebuilding youth policy (which we would've been had we lost to the tiges) then yes, keep the core of top seniors and delist the rest! But when the window is open, senior 2nd rate players can be the difference between a premiership and.....well.....ending up like the Saints.

We've got some new drafted talent in the side, why do we need to take more risks when the window is open? Those guys are solid, experienced campaigners who our critical injury buffer.
We need to delist 3 players at the end of the year,what would you suggest? :confused:

[millm103]

Hawkins and Selwood...
No talent :p
are you serious mate? u r a joke in saying that. hawkins and selwood are the future of the club, in a good 7 years time these 2 will be unstoppable, u seriously need to get a grip on things

[hbk_aus]

What's this "we" business ?

:confused:

I think he means "we" as in the AFL is 2 months into their season.

[millm103]

playfair
stevie owen
shannon byrnesthese boys are all in strife if they dont see regular afl action this year which is pretty doubtful for playfair and own but byrnes might get the chance he needs to play very consistant!

[hbk_aus]

are you serious mate? u r a joke in saying that. hawkins and selwood are the future of the club, in a good 7 years time these 2 will be unstoppable, u seriously need to get a grip on things


Oh dear....:(

[linelefty]

We need to delist 3 players at the end of the year,what would you suggest? :confused:

Hmm its a difficult one, a lot of our guys who aren't getting game time are very young (Sam Hunt, Gamble etc) Being in WA I don't get a chance to see these guys playing the VFL so I'm not really qualified to comment.

Perhaps:
Playfair
Stephen Owen
????

[rizzo]

We need to delist 3 players at the end of the year,what would you suggest? :confused:

4 because i think we will want grima on the main list

[stifler's mom]

are you serious mate? u r a joke in saying that. hawkins and selwood are the future of the club, in a good 7 years time these 2 will be unstoppable, u seriously need to get a grip on things

Some people really are very stupid!!:rolleyes:

How about a swap, Tenace for Chris Egan. ( both top 10 picks )

[tin can sam]

I'd be looking at getting rid of Callan, Spencer, Gardiner, Playfair and possibly Byrnes.

elevate Grima and maybe Davenport. take 3 or 4 picks into the draft.

Sam Hunt will also be delisted IMO.

[DanA]

No way in hell J.Hunt or Tenace will be delisted.

I think it will be:
Playfair
Spencer
Gardiner
Owen

With Reynolds to also lose his spot. Grima will definately be promoted. Callan and Byrnes are the only other two that should be considered with King potentially retiring, but they probably should be given another year IMO.

[Hood007]

are you serious mate? u r a joke in saying that. hawkins and selwood are the future of the club, in a good 7 years time these 2 will be unstoppable, u seriously need to get a grip on things

It was joke mate. As pointed out by the toungue poking it's tongue out at you... Funnier that you thought i was serious :p

[Hood007]

You'd think Gardiner would be on his last notice...
I doubt they'd drop Owen without giving him a game. It's only his 2nd year. Does anyone know much about him? Same with Gamble, still his 2nd year...

None of the fringe players at the moment will go i.e. Byrnes, Hunt, Playfair e.t.c. They're all good insurance if we have any injuries...

They might delist a player or 2 and then Re-Draft him. Perhaps Callan or Spencer. Who knows, it's still very early. Some of these players might succeed when they get a chance to show what they can do, like Tenace is at the moment...

If I had to say though, I think the Abletts are gone... :p

[Tonycam*]

If I had to say though, I think the Abletts are gone... :p

I get it ...... Abletts ..... Its a joke
Thats a good one Hood

[Hood007]

I try my best :thumbsu: :)

[crosby123]

I get it ...... Abletts ..... Its a joke
Thats a good one Hood
Irony.

[GeeCat]

I'd like to know why people are big on delisting Owen.

Given the lad had as much of an interrupted start to his career as Varcoe did, should he not too be afforded similar latitude in making his mark? We are, after all, talking about his second year here; hardly had much of a chance to show anything. So, then, given we pretty much write off last year, it's hard to see why he would be delisted on the proviso of his current form, which has been nothing short of solid-to-good off the half back flank.

[linelefty]

You're right about these 2nd year players, they do deserve an opportunity. It comes down to a question of list management.

Do we go for the premiership now and retain our scond stringers to ensure depth. That means lmited opportunities for younger players who instant hits like selwood.

Or do we delist the second stringers and look to develop the Grimas, Owens, Gambles etc.

All deserve their place, Byrnes, Playfair, Tenace, Gardiner, these guys have struggled their guts out for the club, their return may have not been what was hoped for but I'm a bit uncomfortable with the way people are so demeaning of their contribution and happy to cast them aside during a time when we need depth.

[DanA]

Owen was a suprise pick late in the draft, Varcoe was bargain pick early in the draft, there is a massive difference. Varcoe was also better in the VFL than Owen was.
We are forced to draft 3 players which means a minimum of three have to go. Most people want to keep one of Gardiner, Playfair, Spencer, Owen, Byrnes, Callan, and King are the only realistic options IMO.

Callan & Byrnes I would like to give more time.
King depends entirely on what he wants to do IMO
That leaves Gardiner, Playfair, Spencer & Owen. Many believe we should keep one of the older big guys as a backup

[Just do something]

Owen was a suprise pick late in the draft, Varcoe was bargain pick early in the draft, there is a massive difference. Varcoe was also better in the VFL than Owen was.
We are forced to draft 3 players which means a minimum of three have to go. Most people want to keep one of Gardiner, Playfair, Spencer, Owen, Byrnes, Callan, and King are the only realistic options IMO.

Callan & Byrnes I would like to give more time.
King depends entirely on what he wants to do IMO
That leaves Gardiner, Playfair, Spencer & Owen. Many believe we should keep one of the older big guys as a backup


How long has Callan been around? Surely he would be getting a game by now if he could cut it??

[catempire]

Surprised people are throwing Owen's name up. He's only now starting to show something in the VFL. He won't be delisted.

[Hood007]

How long has Callan been around? Surely he would be getting a game by now if he could cut it??

I have a feeling he'll get a go at some stage this year. He goes pretty hard at it...

[GeeCat]

Owen was a suprise pick late in the draft, Varcoe was bargain pick early in the draft, there is a massive difference. Varcoe was also better in the VFL than Owen was.

Owen was pick 35, and hardly a surprise late pick (certainly no more so than guys like Vegas and Stokesy at the time).

And in the case of injury, there is little relevance in the pick difference between Varcoe and Owen at this point in time. It certainly shouldn't be the reason we give lenience to Varcoe's case, and not Owen's. Granted Varcoe showed more glimpses than Owen, but the overriding factor is that both had interruted preseasons and were subsequently not physically at the required level for much of the season. I don't see why Varcoe should gain the passable token of writing off last year and being given the chance to start over (and be ajudged on) this year, whilst Owen is still being judged on last years efforts.

And in any case, since I have the feeling many are still stuck in the window of last year with him, his performances this year would hardly warrant any such delisting talk (if anything, he's probably back on the same ledger as guys like Vegas - the promising future).

[Reg Hickey]

Football's a tough business. A lot of good but not great players get thrown on to the scrap heap in their early-mid 20s. That's the way it works. And if we want to be a premiership side we need to make the tough decisions and not continue to reward battlers with a spot on the list.

Under the draft rules, three have to go at a minimum. King might retire if he gets cut down by injury again without getting a decent run in the seniors, but I think its pretty unlikely. So three.

Then we have Grima, who must either be promoted or dumped. Is he more value to the team than our 35th-best listed player? If so, we should promote him and dump a fourth.

I'm not sure but I think Davenport can have another year on the rookie list. If not, is he more value than our 34th-best listed player?

Can Lonergan play senior footy again? He was carving up Melbourne in the game he got injured, and on that form I think he would definitely have a future as a key defender. Is he more value than our 33rd-best listed player? My guess is that he will never be the player he could have been, and is unlikely to make it back, although I hope I'm wrong.

Assuming Davenport can stay a rookie, I think he will along with Bedford, and I also think that if Grima continues his current form we will definitely promote him as a backup tall forward who will take over that role permanently when Moons moves out (either retires or moves up the field).

So I think at least four have to go, and at the moment the contenders for mine would be:
Playfair
Spencer
Gardiner
Callan
S Hunt (might survive in the short term)
Byrnes (trade - likely to have some value)
J Hunt (trade - likely to have some value too)

Reynolds will be dumped as well, but he is only a rookie.

I wouldn't trade any of the younger kids yet. These blokes have all been around for a while and have failed to show that they can make it, so some will have to go. Sure they might be OK backup if we get a lot injuries, but the only other option is to dump kids who haven't had a reasonable chance to prove themselves (and all of whom have shown some signs). Can we afford to keep mediocrity on the list at the expense of kids who at best will be good players and at worst could stand in next year as backup options at probably the same level as those listed above? Seems a no-brainer to me.

That probably means we would need to draft some height, but we need to anyway to top up our ruck stocks and to cover the likely loss in next few years of Scarlett and Harley (both getting close to 30). And we HAVE been an overly tall VFL side for the last couple of years.

[Brasil2007]

Charlie Gardiner is prolly gone. Played his first game in 2002, hasn't really had an impact and will I think be lucky to play a senior game this year.

Similarly H would need a drastic turn around in form to hold his place.

David Johnson? I'd hate to see him go.

I always thought very highly of Reynolds at the Dons and could never understand why he couldn't get a game while duds were regularly picked. He's a strong mark and a good kick. I was thrilled when he came to the Cats. I suspect his AFL career is over but I would still give him a run ahead of H or Charlie Gardiner.

One thing about Bomber is that he is loyal (maybe a bit too loyal) to his players, and those that go will have to be a long way off the mark (eg Kingsley) or outright duds (eg Spriggs). Unless, of course, the Graham clause kicks in and we have an unexpected gap in the team which we need to fill via a trade.

I'd keep Byrnes, surely there is some way to teach him to for God's sake SLOW DOWN WHEN YOU KICK.

[linelefty]

Can we afford to keep mediocrity on the list at the expense of kids who at best will be good players and at worst could stand in next year as backup options at probably the same level as those listed above?

Reg, your argument is well put and I cant fault your logic.

Thats a big statement your making above, and could be a risk.......we could argue all day about the merits of these players but the choice comes down to kids vs seasoned battlers. Who do we need more? Risk vs Reward vs The Window?

Hey, I'd rather be questioning who to delist than who to keep like they are at the Tiges!

[Boundary-Rider]

Depending on contracts etc

W could look at the followng delisting/trades

Gardiner: anything
Playfair: same as Gardiner
S Hunt: or Spencer need to keep one
Byrnes: 3rd round
Reynolds bad luck doing his knee maybe to old to rookie again
Enright: trade it is hard but sometimes you need to give up something to get something better. His kicking skills let him down
King: Retire
Longers: Retire if he cannot get back into AFL condition, keep at VFL team

[GeeCat]

As far as probable delisting options go, Gardiner, Spencer, Reynolds, Playfair, Lonergan, and King are amongst those out of contract at seasons end.

[Prismall32]

As far as probable delisting options go, Gardiner, Spencer, Reynolds, Playfair, Lonergan, and King are amongst those out of contract at seasons end.
Sam Hunt is not an A level player and Matthew Spencer is downright lazy - wouldn't keep either.
I'd be reluctant to let Enright go but he might be just what another club is looking for.
Teach Byrnes to kick straight, someone, please; he gets a lot of the ball but .....and Callan is worth keeping.

[DanA]

Sam Hunt is not an A level player and Matthew Spencer is downright lazy - wouldn't keep either.
I'd be reluctant to let Enright go but he might be just what another club is looking for.
Teach Byrnes to kick straight, someone, please; he gets a lot of the ball but .....and Callan is worth keeping.


Regarding Owen vs Varcoe debate:

I think there is a massive relevance regarding pick difference. We drafted Varcoe with the knowledge that he was injured and 06 was a writeoff. With Owen it was not the case, his injury was diagnosed after the draft if I remember correctly. Furthermore of coarse you are going to give your first pick more time to prove himself than pick 35.

Regarding comment about being stuck in window of last year. I must admit I am guilty of this. I have only watch 1 vfl game on ABC this year, I hear he has improved so maybe his name doesn't belong on the list.

At any rate:
David Johnson & Hunt are not delisting options. They are regulars in our side. Perhaps we could trade one but we don't have a lot of options in the back pocket.

King is not a forced retirement IMO, if he wants to continue then I am all for him being on the list, even if he is playing backup to Ottens and Blake.

In an ideal wourld I would
Delist:
Spencer, Gardiner, Playfair
Promote:
Grima
Trade:
Byrnes + 3rd round -------> Late 2nd round draft pick
Draft:
Pick 1 - Ruckmen
Pick 2 - Donohue (Estimated worth)
Pick 3 - KP Backmen

[hbk_aus]

In an ideal wourld I would
Delist:
Spencer, Gardiner, Playfair
Promote:
Grima
Trade:
Byrnes + 3rd round -------> Late 2nd round draft pick
Draft:
Pick 1 - Ruckmen
Pick 2 - Donohue (Estimated worth)
Pick 3 - KP Backmen


I dont understand why people keep saying we should use our first pick to get a ruckman. Not counting King, we have Blake (young & almost good enough for no.1 spot, not quite), Ottens (our best ruckmen, still hopefully with several good years ahead of him) and West (promising, still with a lot of years to develop).

With Ablett, Mooney, Hawkins, etc likely to be in our forward line for many years to come, Ottens can be used 90% of the time as a ruckman. Why should we waste a no.1 pick on another ruckman?

[DanA]

I dont understand why people keep saying we should use our first pick to get a ruckman. Not counting King, we have Blake (young & almost good enough for no.1 spot, not quite), Ottens (our best ruckmen, still hopefully with several good years ahead of him) and West (promising, still with a lot of years to develop).

With Ablett, Mooney, Hawkins, etc likely to be in our forward line for many years to come, Ottens can be used 90% of the time as a ruckman. Why should we waste a no.1 pick on another ruckman?

If we draft a ruckmen this year it is unlikely they will make an impact until their 4th year. In 5 years time Ottens and King will be gone, at the very best Ottens will be finishing up. I think a ruckmen is a priority along with a key backmen.

There is a lot of talk of there being up to 5-6 ruckmen in the top 10 draft picks. I am tipping at least 1 of them will slide to 16 :D.

[Brasil2007]

If we draft a ruckmen this year it is unlikely they will make an impact until their 4th year. In 5 years time Ottens and King will be gone, at the very best Ottens will be finishing up. I think a ruckmen is a priority along with a key backmen.

There is a lot of talk of there being up to 5-6 ruckmen in the top 10 draft picks. I am tipping at least 1 of them will slide to 16 :D.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't young Couch eligible for the draft this year? Or was it some other father-son?

[tin can sam]

If we draft a ruckmen this year it is unlikely they will make an impact until their 4th year. In 5 years time Ottens and King will be gone, at the very best Ottens will be finishing up. I think a ruckmen is a priority along with a key backmen.

There is a lot of talk of there being up to 5-6 ruckmen in the top 10 draft picks. I am tipping at least 1 of them will slide to 16 :D.

Kreuzer, I want him.

[thejester]

I dont understand why people keep saying we should use our first pick to get a ruckman. Not counting King, we have Blake (young & almost good enough for no.1 spot, not quite), Ottens (our best ruckmen, still hopefully with several good years ahead of him) and West (promising, still with a lot of years to develop).

With Ablett, Mooney, Hawkins, etc likely to be in our forward line for many years to come, Ottens can be used 90% of the time as a ruckman. Why should we waste a no.1 pick on another ruckman?

As has been said, it's a long term thing. By the time West is getting into good form Ottens will be on the verge of retirement, so it'll be good to have a backup ruckman. That and there's always the possibility of playing three - West might have the ability to fill a KPP position as well.

By the same token, though, unless there is an absolutely sensational ruck prospect up for grabs I'd be inclined to wait for the 2nd round and go on 'best available' or a KPP before a ruck.

[hbk_aus]

As has been said, it's a long term thing. By the time West is getting into good form Ottens will be on the verge of retirement, so it'll be good to have a backup ruckman. That and there's always the possibility of playing three - West might have the ability to fill a KPP position as well.

By the same token, though, unless there is an absolutely sensational ruck prospect up for grabs I'd be inclined to wait for the 2nd round and go on 'best available' or a KPP before a ruck.

Thats what i was thinking. Its such a huge risk using a top pick on a ruckman cos the ruckmen dont develop fully until later on, so u dont know exactly how good they will end up being. Take Josh Fraser for instance, Number 1 pick, and i doubt he has turned out the way the Pies hoped he would.

[DanA]

Thats what i was thinking. Its such a huge risk using a top pick on a ruckman cos the ruckmen dont develop fully until later on, so u dont know exactly how good they will end up being. Take Josh Fraser for instance, Number 1 pick, and i doubt he has turned out the way the Pies hoped he would.

Geez I don't know:
Fraser No.1 - (4th in B&F last year)
White 1 - AA ruckmen
Kosi No.2 - Rising Star winner (Injury cursed)
Ottens No.2 - AA Ruckmen
Longmuir No.1 - Solid not great
Gardiner No.1 (Compensation pick) - AA ruckmen
King (Compensation pick) - AA Ruckmen

That is 4 AA ruckmen and the other three are all good players. I would say that is a very good success rate.

Hale No.7 - Vice Capt
McIntosh No. 9 - 1st Ruck
Minson No.20 - 1st ruck (Battler)
Ryder No.7 - Looks a gun
Wood No 18 - Looks a gun
Bailey No.18 - looked good before knee injury
Meeson No. 8 - The jury is still out

Brooks (No 15) & Laycock (No.10) look to be the only duds I know of but they may still come good.

I would suggest that picking up a ruckmen early has been quite successfull. Granted Cox & Sandi came from the rookie list but they are freak athletes made into footballers.

[DanA]

Some players likely to taken around our pick:

Matew Kreuzer- Ruckmen/Tall Forward 196cm, gun most are saying will be pick No.1
Bellchambers - Ruckmen/Forward 196 cm playing very well likely top 10 pick
Steven Gaetner - Ruckmen\Backmen 197cm extremely athletic big man, poor kicking action is keeping him out of most peoples top 10.
Brent Connelly - Ruckmen 198cm a smokie not many have heard of but definetly one to watch
Lachlan Henderson - Key Forward/Ruckmen 196cm - Geelong boy just broke his leg so may slide outside of top 10.
Ben Mcvoy - Ruckmen 198cm wins a lot of the ball and is a good tap ruckmen. Most would say he is a top 20 pick
James Wundke - Ruckmen/Tall Forward 195cm good skills, Kicked 5 for North Adelaide reserves in the GF last year another likely top 20.
James Mulligan - Ruckmen 198cm likely top 30.

That is 7 ruckmen (8 if you include Henderson) that are expected to go in the top 25.

Other possibilites
Scott Selwood & Reece Prismall may be in the mix.
Jarad Grant - Key Backmen likely top 10 pick
Tom McNamara - Key backmen picked up 38 possies in one U16 carnival game.

Plenty that would suit us in that lot

[hbk_aus]

Geez I don't know:
Fraser No.1 - (4th in B&F last year)
White 1 - AA ruckmen
Kosi No.2 - Rising Star winner (Injury cursed)
Ottens No.2 - AA Ruckmen
Longmuir No.1 - Solid not great
Gardiner No.1 (Compensation pick) - AA ruckmen
King (Compensation pick) - AA Ruckmen

That is 4 AA ruckmen and the other three are all good players. I would say that is a very good success rate.

Hale No.7 - Vice Capt
McIntosh No. 9 - 1st Ruck
Minson No.20 - 1st ruck (Battler)
Ryder No.7 - Looks a gun
Wood No 18 - Looks a gun
Bailey No.18 - looked good before knee injury
Meeson No. 8 - The jury is still out

Brooks (No 15) & Laycock (No.10) look to be the only duds I know of but they may still come good.

I would suggest that picking up a ruckmen early has been quite successfull. Granted Cox & Sandi came from the rookie list but they are freak athletes made into footballers.

DOnt have access to the data that u obviously have but all i can say is : Steven Hooper... :D

[DanA]

DOnt have access to the data that u obviously have but all i can say is : Steven Hooper... :D

.......Cringe, we have a winner

[hbk_aus]

.......Cringe, we have a winner


:D Sorry, when all else fails, play your trump card...

[catzfan]

ben mcevoy would be great for a second round would like a gun fast midfielder or gun kpp backman for first hopefully donohue drops to third (hes underage)

[DanA]

ben mcevoy would be great for a second round would like a gun fast midfielder or gun kpp backman for first hopefully donohue drops to third (hes underage)

Yeah that could be a very real possibility. You'd think a couple of those ruckmen will slide. Maybe Gaetner is a possibility. Althletic backmen/ruckmen could kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

Donohue is hard to estimate because likw you said he is bottom aged. He is proving to be a very good player with excellent skills which I rate likely to go 20-40 at this stage. Puts him in the 2-3rd pick. Geelong may even ask him to hold of nominating until next year if they think they will benefit more.

Not a lot of good midfeilders in this draft. Pat Vespremi, Scott Selwood & Bradley Ebert are probably the ones that will be taken around our pick.

Gotchin & Masten will be long gone I think