View Full Version : The Team!
DonMania#5
17 May 2007, 17:49
The Essendon team is:
Backs: M Johnson Michael McVeigh
Half Backs: Fletcher Ryder Winderlich
Centres: McPhee Peverill Cole
Half Forwards: Hird Lucas Houli
Forwards: Davey Lloyd J Johnson
Rucks: Hille Watson Stanton
Bench: Camporeale Lovett Monfries Slattery
In: Lloyd, Camporeale, Slattery
Out: Johns, Laycock, Welsh (inj)
donsman4eva
17 May 2007, 17:52
Interesting. I would think those changes would just make our team more one paced. I think Lonergan or Hislop (when he isnt suspended) must be getting close to a game. We have a need, a need for speed.
Wahooti Fandango
17 May 2007, 17:52
Good to see Lloydy back, but I am not sure about Campo.
Daytripper
17 May 2007, 17:55
Who are the emergencies ?
dave_27
17 May 2007, 17:56
Camporeale, J Johnson, Peveril, Hird and Watson.
All rotating through the midfield.
Can anyone say turtles. :o
Strike Swiftly
17 May 2007, 17:57
Who are the emergencies ?
campo in?? just what we need. anohter slow midfielder against the fast running brisbane lions. a loss is anticipated.
Interesting. I would think those changes would just make our team more one paced. I think Lonergan or Hislop (when he isnt suspended) must be getting close to a game. We have a need, a need for speed.
If they wanted speed they would have brought Dyson back in. Speed doesn seem the main part of Lonergan or Hislop game.
Slattery will hopefully free up McVeigh to play in the midfield
Daytripper
17 May 2007, 18:10
campo in?? just what we need. anohter slow midfielder against the fast running brisbane lions. a loss is anticipated.
Brisbane aren't super quick.
donsman4eva
17 May 2007, 18:15
If they wanted speed they would have brought Dyson back in. Speed doesn seem the main part of Lonergan or Hislop game.
Slattery will hopefully free up McVeigh to play in the midfield
Lonergan seems quick from what i've seen of him. Agree with the second point. Also helps that Chris Johnson isnt playing. He's been playing well up forward from what ive seen.
bring it on
17 May 2007, 18:24
not happy... slattery is a dud.. hate him.... should of brought in lonergan instead.... fletch or mal or ryder will be lost.... only 2 tall forwards to play on..
fletch or mal on brown... michael on ryder on patful
^ ^
other one will be lost... next is notting and doubt any of these will take him
Daytripper
17 May 2007, 18:36
not happy... slattery is a dud.. hate him.... should of brought in lonergan instead.... fletch or mal or ryder will be lost.... only 2 tall forwards to play on..
fletch or mal on brown... michael on ryder on patful
^ ^
other one will be lost... next is notting and doubt any of these will take him
No Laycock means Paddy will predominately be helping out Hille in the ruck against the Brisbane ruck giants.
Balance is okay.
Darealrath
17 May 2007, 18:37
not happy... slattery is a dud.. hate him.... should of brought in lonergan instead.... fletch or mal or ryder will be lost.... only 2 tall forwards to play on..
fletch or mal on brown... michael on ryder on patful
^ ^
other one will be lost... next is notting and doubt any of these will take him
Fletcher and Ryder can play on smaller blokes. Plus Ryder will do a bit of ruckword with Laycock out.
Johns and Laycock were giving us next to nothing. Welsh will be a loss. Lloyd back is brilliant. Not sure where Slattery fits in though I do like him. Campo I was against coming in but Lloyd and Lucas might really appreciate his delivery if he can get some footy forward of centre.
Johnson out for them is a big bonus for us.
TheBrownDog
17 May 2007, 18:41
Lions
OUT: Fixter, Sherman, Johnson(inj)
IN: Selwood, Drummond, Allan
Interesting. I would think those changes would just make our team more one paced. I think Lonergan or Hislop (when he isnt suspended) must be getting close to a game. We have a need, a need for speed.
How does dropping 2 talls and a small for 3 smalls make our side more one paced??? Winderlich, Lovett (if he plays) and Stanton will be more pace through the middle than Brisbane has anyway. Besides, who is it with pace that you would bring in? Dempsey, Jetta and Nash are all either injured or returning from injury at the moment.
If we lose on Saturday, it will NOT be because of a lack of pace.:thumbsu:
campo in?? just what we need. anohter slow midfielder against the fast running brisbane lions. a loss is anticipated.
Don't bother coming then.
not happy... slattery is a dud.. hate him.... should of brought in lonergan instead....
Righto, I guess Slatts should just give it up right now then. And I'm not sure Slattery being a dud necessarily means that he is deserved of your hate. Perhaps directing it at the opposition might be a little more constructive.
donsman4eva
17 May 2007, 19:10
How does dropping 2 talls and a small for 3 smalls make our side more one paced??? Winderlich, Lovett (if he plays) and Stanton will be more pace through the middle than Brisbane has anyway. Besides, who is it with pace that you would bring in? Dempsey, Jetta and Nash are all either injured or returning from injury at the moment.
If we lose on Saturday, it will NOT be because of a lack of pace.:thumbsu:
Interesting.. I didnt realise that someone listed as 192 cm and 91 kg was small these days. :thumbsu: Campo and Slattery are both at the slow end of the scale. We only have Winderlich, Lovett and Davey that show exceptional pace. Most of the others would be classed as slow or worse.
Longy413
17 May 2007, 19:18
Camporeale, J Johnson, Peveril, Hird and Watson.
All rotating through the midfield.
Can anyone say turtles. :o
Two talls and a flanker out, two blokes who rotate through the midfield in.
That actually gives us more run, not less. It doesn't add pace, although Slatts is quicker than the three outs, it definately gives us more run.
Campo doesn't break the lines, but he kicks over them.
not happy... slattery is a dud.. hate him....
You know nothing about footy.
How can you hate a bloke that has a crack, has a tonne of courage, takes out an opposition quality player every week and uses the footy well?
If they wanted speed they would have brought Dyson back in.
I know Dyson's meant to be quick, but is it just me or has he seemed to be run down a lot in the past couple of games he's played. He's had the ball, a couple of metres on the chaser, but still been collared and forced to cough up the ball - you just don't see that with Lovett or Davey.
Is Dyson REALLY that quick?
Interesting.. I didnt realise that someone listed as 192 cm and 91 kg was small these days. :thumbsu: Campo and Slattery are both at the slow end of the scale. We only have Winderlich, Lovett and Davey that show exceptional pace. Most of the others would be classed as slow or worse.
My Bad about Lloydy, he is obviously a tall, albeit a quicker one than Johns and Laycock. McVeigh, Cole, Stanton, McPhee, Ryder, Fletcher, Houli are not 'slow or worse' as you put it.
Who is it that Brisbane have that will beat us with pace anyway? Besides, pace is one of the most overrated commodities in football- Sydney is hardly lightening quick, but they have been, along with W.Coast, the most successful team over the last 3 years.
As I said before, a lack of pace will NOT be the reason we lose on Saturday, IF we lose.
donsman4eva
17 May 2007, 19:33
I never said those players were slow or worse, i said most of our players are. Of those you names, the only ones i would consider faster than slow are stanton and mcveigh. houli isnt bad, and the others only seem fast bacause of their size. Ryder and fletcher are no where near quick. But for their size they might be. I agree we wont lose because of our lack of pace, but some extra pace would be handy.
Two talls and a flanker out, two blokes who rotate through the midfield in.
That actually gives us more run, not less. It doesn't add pace, although Slatts is quicker than the three outs, it definately gives us more run.
Campo doesn't break the lines, but he kicks over them.
You know nothing about footy.
How can you hate a bloke that has a crack, has a tonne of courage, takes out an opposition quality player every week and uses the footy well?
Sensible post as usual. Campo deserves a go, totally agree with you about Slattery, think he will be a valuable member of our next finals side.
Also, while I'm agreeing with you. Don't know if you remember or not, but I was one of the 'Welsh' doubters at the start of the season. In fact I would have traded him at the end of the last year. Still not convinced about him as a backmen, but I think he's been great for us as a defensive forward (especially in the first few rounds and against Hawthorn) and in my opinion, should be his position going forward. Shame he is injured again, we will miss him.
You know nothing about footy.
How can you hate a bloke that has a crack, has a tonne of courage, takes out an opposition quality player every week and uses the footy well?
You can't really judge someone over whether or not they like a player or not, the simple fact is that some people like some players and not others. It doesn't mean they know nothing about footy.
For the record, I'm not a massive fan of watching Slatts play and that's why I'm not his biggest supporter, not that I don't like him. I like his attack on the ball but he is known for giving away free kicks and at the end of the day, he's a negator.
Still, with the players we have availbale, he deserves his spot.
I never said those players were slow or worse, i said most of our players are. Of those you names, the only ones i would consider faster than slow are stanton and mcveigh. houli isnt bad, and the others only seem fast bacause of their size. Ryder and fletcher are no where near quick. But for their size they might be. I agree we wont lose because of our lack of pace, but some extra pace would be handy.
Your point about Ryder and Fletcher may be valid, but since more often than not they will be playing in key positions against players their own height, the pace that they do have can only be an advantage to us can it not?
Who is the 'extra' pace that you would have bought in?
DKL is going to hate this!
donsman4eva
17 May 2007, 19:45
Your point about Ryder and Fletcher may be valid, but since more often than not they will be playing in key positions against players their own height, the pace that they do have can only be an advantage to us can it not?
Who is the 'extra' pace that you would have bought in?
Apart from Dyson, we dont have anyone really, that's the problem. Lonergan maybe an idea. Reimers isnt ready yet and hislop is suspended. But when these guys come in, they need to play some midfield, and they should take the place of guys like campo, mj and possibly JJ (only if his form drops obviously)
You can't really judge someone over whether or not they like a player or not, the simple fact is that some people like some players and not others. It doesn't mean they know nothing about footy.
True, but when so called Essendon "supporters" come on here and make emotive statements like "he is crap...I hate him", surely they should back it up with some kind of evidence/reasons for their opinion. Otherwise, they should go and join the Richmond 'player bashing' board.
For the record, I'm not a massive fan of watching Slatts play and that's why I'm not his biggest supporter, not that I don't like him. I like his attack on the ball but he is known for giving away free kicks and at the end of the day, he's a negator. Still, with the players we have availbale, he deserves his spot.
Watch a bit closer. I can't remember a free kick that Slatts has given away this year. All of the games that he has played this year have been good ones, with the exception of the Anzac Day match, when he was injured and shouldn't have played. As Longy says, he always beats his man (number 1 job of any defender) and has good skills. He does need to find more of the ball, and I am confident that with a little more time at senior level, he will do that. Think he will also prove a very handy tagger/toughman in the middle in the years to come as well.
Apart from Dyson, we dont have anyone really, that's the problem. Lonergan maybe an idea. Reimers isnt ready yet and hislop is suspended. But when these guys come in, they need to play some midfield, and they should take the place of guys like campo, mj and possibly JJ (only if his form drops obviously)
Agree with this. Still don't understand how dropping Johns and Laycock can make our midfield more one paced when neither of them are midfielders though!
donsman4eva
17 May 2007, 20:00
didnt say dropping them makes us one paced. what i meant was that our inclusions were among our slower players and this is what makes us one paced.
Longy413
17 May 2007, 20:49
You can't really judge someone over whether or not they like a player or not, the simple fact is that some people like some players and not others. It doesn't mean they know nothing about footy.
For the record, I'm not a massive fan of watching Slatts play and that's why I'm not his biggest supporter, not that I don't like him. I like his attack on the ball but he is known for giving away free kicks and at the end of the day, he's a negator.
Still, with the players we have availbale, he deserves his spot.
I can judge, it was a stupid comment.
How you can hate a kid who is just making his way in the game and plays a valuable role is beyond me.
As for the free kick thing, he has given away three in five games this season. He can be undisciplined at times, however, does/did he do anything worse than Hardwick or Solly were at times?
He likes to put physical pressure on the opposition, something that made opposition teams fear us when we were at our peak. When you have a team that lacks grunt and _unt, I'm all for it.
bombersman_moon
17 May 2007, 20:55
Hey people im a newbie here i go for Essendon and im looking forward to a good game of Footy this w/e Lloyd's back so we are definitely in for a chance. it will b great seeing Mal Michael playing his previous team. Catch
Bombers Man:)
I'm looking forward to seeing Campo play again. Loved seeing him run around back in the day, and think he could have something to add if he stays injury free. Can't understand why supporters wouldn't want one of the best disposals going round playing for us when that is such a pet hate with them for every other bomber. He's soft, so what? So is Dal Santo, yet all and sundry want to trade him in at years end!
jules101
17 May 2007, 21:31
Camporeale, J Johnson, Peveril, Hird and Watson.
All rotating through the midfield.
Can anyone say turtles. :o
Campo actually had his quickest time in the 20m sprint, EVER in his career
The side is starting to look at lot closer than the round one side was one of the more impressive games that Essendon has played in many of years
Round 1
B:20. Henry Slattery 31. Dustin Fletcher 22. Mal Michael
H B:1. Mark Johnson 25. Scott Lucas 33. Adam McPhee
C:8. Jason Winderlich 11. Damien Peverill 10. Mark McVeigh
H F:5. James Hird 30. Patrick Ryder 12. Andrew Welsh
F:29. Alwyn Davey 18. Matthew Lloyd 7. Leroy Jetta
R:19. David Hille 13. Andrew Lovett 24. Brent Stanton
I:16. Kepler Bradley 6. Angus Monfries 42. Nathan Lovett-Murray 4. Jobe Watson
Backs: M Johnson Michael McVeigh
Half Backs: Fletcher Ryder Winderlich
Centres: McPhee Peverill Cole
Half Forwards: Hird Lucas Houli
Forwards: Davey Lloyd J Johnson
Rucks: Hille Watson Stanton
Bench: Camporeale Lovett Monfries Slattery
The only 4 changes (if i can count) are Welsh, Jetta, Bradley and NLM are out for Campo, Cole, JJ and Houli which probably gives this weeks side much more options to run through the midfield but are probably lacking the flexibility that Welsh, NLM and Bradley would have brought to the side.
donsman4eva
17 May 2007, 21:42
I dont remember Bradley playing rd 1. im probably wrong though. i thought his first gmae of the year was anzac day.
Longy413
17 May 2007, 21:47
He played and wasn't too bad. Got a bit of it.
kelvin_sheedy
17 May 2007, 23:51
Happy with that side. :thumbsu:
Best balanced side we've put out since Round 1.
BomberDog
18 May 2007, 00:03
I'll probably be howled down for this - the reports from Bendigo are that Bradley has been playing pretty well. Does he deserve another crack??? But what would we do with him?
I have been thinking for a few weeks that Ryder has looked sooo good down back that I want him settled there to look after things - rather than stealing him for the ruck (I know, where his leap has been awesome).
In the meantime, get a more mobile tall around the ground that can replace Laycock and support Hille. That is where Bradley, and maybe even Bolton could be used (as I think Bolton looked OK in the ruck for a few minutes I think in the Carlton match??). Yes it would sacrifice getting first hands to the ball (which we struggle to do in the middle anyway), but would give us more hands down low and athleticism around the ground...
Just a thought. Perhaps more viable in future weeks when we are not facing two giants in the ruck (Charman/McDonald)...
dodgyJim
18 May 2007, 00:20
Is there something wrong with Andy Lovett? Named on the bench and heard some whispers that he may not play...
EDIT: Just found this
"However it wasn't all good news at Windy Hill yesterday.
Andrew Lovett twisted his knee during training and could be in doubt for Saturday's match after limping from the ground to receive treatment. "
Big John
18 May 2007, 02:40
I'll probably be howled down for this - the reports from Bendigo are that Bradley has been playing pretty well. Does he deserve another crack??? But what would we do with him?
I have been thinking for a few weeks that Ryder has looked sooo good down back that I want him settled there to look after things - rather than stealing him for the ruck (I know, where his leap has been awesome).
In the meantime, get a more mobile tall around the ground that can replace Laycock and support Hille. That is where Bradley, and maybe even Bolton could be used (as I think Bolton looked OK in the ruck for a few minutes I think in the Carlton match??). Yes it would sacrifice getting first hands to the ball (which we struggle to do in the middle anyway), but would give us more hands down low and athleticism around the ground...
Just a thought. Perhaps more viable in future weeks when we are not facing two giants in the ruck (Charman/McDonald)...
I think we should let Keps play at Bendigo for a bit, get some confidence up and see if we can find a role for him. No need to rush him back. Still hope he comes good.
As for Ryder i want him to have as much influence on a game as possible and he to is another player that is still learning the game. Let him run free.
Bit disappointed Campo came in, though there was meant to be a few younger guys at Bendigo going alright, would've liked to have seen one of them get a go.
Is there something wrong with Andy Lovett? Named on the bench and heard some whispers that he may not play...
EDIT: Just found this
"However it wasn't all good news at Windy Hill yesterday.
Andrew Lovett twisted his knee during training and could be in doubt for Saturday's match after limping from the ground to receive treatment. "
Hyper extended his knee at training on Wednesday. He is in doubt, will let you know if he fronts at training in a couple of hours ;)
I can say that when he left training he didnt seem too worried about it.
dave_27
18 May 2007, 11:12
Campo actually had his quickest time in the 20m sprint, EVER in his career
So he's up their with MJ and Pev now? ;)
Pevers-Legend
18 May 2007, 13:12
selections smell like a coach coaching for his job.
Would have liked to have seen Lonergan instead of Campo. If Campo comes in, MJ or cole out.
I am howver happy Johns and Laycock have been dropped - albeit 1-2 weeks too late. Both need magoos time to work on their games build up confidnece - Laycock is the JJ of last year - injuered - bugger all fitness - plays too many games and is exposed and loses form.
Yet Sheedy said he learnt form last year - pity he is so blinkered he only applied that approach to JJ.
Sherman out is the odd one for me? A rocket from Leigh perhaps?
Bring on Mal Vs Brisbane!!!
we are into $1.78.
Some think we are gonna win this one...
CjohnsRun
18 May 2007, 14:05
I think Selwood is going to be a danger this week.. He has been in VERY VERY good form in the State League for Suncoast Lions.. in the last 3 games has been BOG in 2 or them and should get 2 votes in the other.. Last game had 30 possesions i think and kicked 5 goals from the midfield.. Could be one to watch out for..
Darealrath
18 May 2007, 15:13
Some think we are gonna win this one...
I do. Pretty confident about it too.
selections smell like a coach coaching for his job.
Would have liked to have seen Lonergan instead of Campo. If Campo comes in, MJ or cole out.
I am howver happy Johns and Laycock have been dropped - albeit 1-2 weeks too late. Both need magoos time to work on their games build up confidnece - Laycock is the JJ of last year - injuered - bugger all fitness - plays too many games and is exposed and loses form.
Yet Sheedy said he learnt form last year - pity he is so blinkered he only applied that approach to JJ.
Sherman out is the odd one for me? A rocket from Leigh perhaps?
Bring on Mal Vs Brisbane!!!
Sam wont be playing this weekend, he missed training on wednesday and didnt train today. He has been struggling a bit with a hand injury he picked up in the Bendigo v Port M and also had some sort of minor injury on wednesday after the gym session..
The seniors only did some work inside today but the word around is Lovett should be ok :thumbsu:
Giggidy Giggidy
18 May 2007, 16:50
I think Selwood is going to be a danger this week.. He has been in VERY VERY good form in the State League for Suncoast Lions.. in the last 3 games has been BOG in 2 or them and should get 2 votes in the other.. Last game had 30 possesions i think and kicked 5 goals from the midfield.. Could be one to watch out for..
He is a quality player, but I wouldn't read too much into his Suncoast Lions form..... surely any AFL listed player would dominate in that comp if they were fair dinkum?