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oh_my_hat
14 Apr 2002, 21:33
For me it's

http://www.kissdominion.com/ACEMOV.GIF

Darky
14 Apr 2002, 21:52
Ritchie Blackmore or Uli Jon Roth. Some of Uli's classical stuff on the Transcendental Sky Guitar album has to be heard to be believed.

Savatage
14 Apr 2002, 22:01
Originally posted by oh_my_hat
For me it's

http://www.kissdominion.com/ACEMOV.GIF

You cannot be serious!

I am a HUGE Kiss fan, and if the heading was "Most Influential Guitarist" then I'd have to say yes.

Our sloppy alien creature guitar friend cannot be considered as best!

For mine there's too many good ones....Criss Oliva from Savatage would've been had he not been tragically killed by a drunk driver.

M29
14 Apr 2002, 22:03
Slash.

oh_my_hat
14 Apr 2002, 22:08
Originally posted by Savatage


You cannot be serious!

I am a HUGE Kiss fan, and if the heading was "Most Influential Guitarist" then I'd have to say yes.

Our sloppy alien creature guitar friend cannot be considered as best!

For mine there's too many good ones....Criss Oliva from Savatage would've been had he not been tragically killed by a drunk driver. OK I could live with that. Probably technically not the best but I like his style and sound the best. I didn't know about Criss Oliva, infact I have drifted away from the whole metal scene over the last few years. I do, however, have Gutter Ballet and must pull it out again one day and give it a spin.

mellowyellow
14 Apr 2002, 22:22
It would be difficult to single out any particular individual as the most definitive giutarist of all time but ill name a few that i think were and are an influence for me.
Hendrix
Eric Johnson
Joe Satriani
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Carlos Santarna
There would be countless others ,but these guys shaped my style
of playing and therefore rank high in my estimation.

lioness
14 Apr 2002, 22:39
There is none better than.....

Carl Wilson

1946-1998

The best and most under-rated guitarist ever.

M29
14 Apr 2002, 23:25
Originally posted by lioness22
There is none better than.....

Carl Wilson

1946-1998

The best and most under-rated guitarist ever.

Seriously, you're kidding?

mentalgrind
14 Apr 2002, 23:46
Steve Veigh ?

This guys a freak and probably the best 7-string guitarist going around.

jod23
15 Apr 2002, 06:54
Take your pick from these three....

http://www.neck-and-neck.com/gallery/pictures/images/dsstoB03.jpg

http://www.beatlesbeats.com/george/pics/images/g09.jpg

http://www.eric-clapton.co.uk/pictures/rollingstone/im036718.jpg

If you dont know who these three people are by just looking at them then you shouldnt be on the music board.

lioness
15 Apr 2002, 07:00
Originally posted by M29


Seriously, you're kidding?

Not at all. Let me ask you, do you even have a clue who he is? :rolleyes:

PeteLX
15 Apr 2002, 09:08
I've seen about two hundred bands live, and the best guitar sound I ever heard was from BB King. So my vote's for him.

Rusty Brookes
15 Apr 2002, 09:21
Donald Roeser AKA Buck Dharma from Blue Oyster Cult. I'd add Ron Asheton from the Stooges for being one of the most influential, although technically he's pretty limited. For rhythm playing, Pete Townsend no worries.

Bee
15 Apr 2002, 10:10
Simple! Stevie Ray Vaughan.:) Followed by Blackmore, Clapton, Paige.

Docker_Brat
15 Apr 2002, 11:49
Carl Wilson? Jacs, what drug are you on? LOL

Some pretty impressive guitarists named here, I would also rate Brian May as being one of the best.

Mcchawk
15 Apr 2002, 12:55
Eddie Van Halen ;)

-PC28-
15 Apr 2002, 13:28
Has to be Hendrix - None better
Eric Clapton
BB King
Johnny Lee Hooker
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Mark Knofler
Bo Diddley
Chuck Berry
Joe Satrani
Gary Moore
The list goes on...

roobear
15 Apr 2002, 14:39
Vinnie Vincent

Santos L Helper
15 Apr 2002, 15:39
Angus Young?

Carlos
15 Apr 2002, 17:01
Has to be Ace Frehely. Not the most technically proficient of them all, but his guitar solos speak man!!

Santos L Helper
15 Apr 2002, 18:07
Originally posted by Carlos
Has to be Ace Frehely. Not the most technically proficient of them all, but his guitar solos speak man!!

So did his dealer.:eek:

M29
15 Apr 2002, 18:29
Originally posted by lioness22


Not at all. Let me ask you, do you even have a clue who he is? :rolleyes:

No idea :rolleyes:

I think you should ask Docker Brat the same question.

SydneyBomber
15 Apr 2002, 18:58
(WARNING: Definite flame starter ahead...:p )


Am I the only one who thinks Hendrix sounds like he was playing broken fingers and out of tune half the time?
Some of his stuff is ok, but some sounds horrible to me! Sorry!

Alex Skolnick
Tommy T Baron
Trey Azagthoth
John Petrucci
Ihsahn

For mine.

Darky
15 Apr 2002, 20:48
Originally posted by Carlos
Has to be Ace Frehely. Not the most technically proficient of them all, but his guitar solos speak man!!

His guitar spoke when his mouth was incoherent! :D Definitely my favourite KISS member.

Darky
15 Apr 2002, 20:58
Originally posted by SydneyBomber
(WARNING: Definite flame starter ahead...:p )


Am I the only one who thinks Hendrix sounds like he was playing broken fingers and out of tune half the time?
Some of his stuff is ok, but some sounds horrible to me! Sorry!

Alex Skolnick
Tommy T Baron
Trey Azagthoth
John Petrucci
Ihsahn

For mine.

No, I agree about Hendrix - very sloppy player, seemed to rely more on showmanship and creating new sounds, than being technically proficient.

I've yet to hear a Hendrix guitar piece that makes me think there aren't a hundred better guitarists. Love his voice though, and he was definitely innovative with his use of feedback and amplification, and many of the world's great guitarists look up to him because of this.

Similarly, a lot of virtuoso guitarists look up to Uli Jon Roth (who himself modelled his own playing on Hendrix before taking up a mainly neo-classical repertoire). His self-designed, custom-built guitar has 7 strings and 30 frets (as opposed to the standard 6 & 23), and pick ups placed underneath the fretboard.

Eddie Van Halen, Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai and Kirk Hammett are all world-class guitarists and rate Uli as one of the best, if not THE best. He's virtually unknown here though, so the mainstream guitarists like Knopfler, Page, Young, Crapton, The Edge, and Hendrix will get all the accolades.

Also, I can recall having heard only two or three guitar solos where Crapton's guitar playing isn't all over the place... as if the tape is chewing.

A lot of people mistake a brilliant guitarist for a guitarist in a brilliant band. They are not always the same thing.

Grimace
15 Apr 2002, 21:10
Originally posted by mentalgrind
Steve Veigh ?

This guys a freak and probably the best 7-string guitarist going around.

Steve Vai you mean? ehee

Mike Einziger (guy in my avatar)

SydneyBomber
15 Apr 2002, 21:11
Originally posted by Darky


No, I agree about Hendrix - very sloppy player, seemed to rely more on showmanship and creating new sounds, than being technically proficient.

I've yet to hear a Hendrix guitar piece that makes me think there aren't a hundred better guitarists. Love his voice though, and he was definitely innovative with his use of feedback and amplification, and many of the world's great guitarists look up to him because of this.


Yep - Darky you are spot on. He's got a GREAT voice, but I can't see anything special about his playing that people since haven't done better. Yes he was a great innovator, but people have since built on that etc etc...


Also, I can recall having heard only two or three guitar solos where Crapton's guitar playing isn't all over the place... as if the tape is chewing.

Yep - don't like him either. He wrote a few catchy songs (esp. Layla), but IMO that doesn't make him a 'great', technically proficient guitarist.


A lot of people mistake a brilliant guitarist for a guitarist in a brilliant band. They are not always the same thing.

Yep - again.

Darky
15 Apr 2002, 21:21
Originally posted by SydneyBomber

Yep - don't like him either. He wrote a few catchy songs (esp. Layla), but IMO that doesn't make him a 'great', technically proficient guitarist.



If you have an ear for picking out individual guitarists in twin-guitar songs, listen carefully to Layla.

In the foreground is Crapton strangling a cat, in the background is Duane Allman doing his "country twang" thing and IMHO stealing the show.

Also, wouldn't give too much credit to Crapton for his songwriting - most of Cream's better stuff was written by Jack Bruce.

SydneyBomber
15 Apr 2002, 21:26
Originally posted by Darky

In the foreground is Crapton strangling a cat....

Haha - good one.

Just though of another: Jeff Waters.
Listening to the first couple of Annihilator albums earlier, damn he was good!

"Welcome to Your DEEEAAAAATTTHHHH!"
:)

Bee
15 Apr 2002, 21:33
Originally posted by Darky



In the foreground is Crapton strangling a cat,


Really? Well I'd prefer that than listening to old man Blackmore playing old man's music whilst prancing around the stage dressed up like a bloody minstrel. :rolleyes:

Darky
15 Apr 2002, 21:36
Originally posted by Bee


Really? Well I'd prefer that than listening to old man Blackmore playing old man's music whilst prancing around the stage dressed up like a bloody minstrel. :rolleyes:

So would I. :(

Before he met up with that cloth-eared bint he calls a wife, he was THE iconic rock guitarist. Now he's just a sad old man in saggy pantaloons.

Winston Wolf
15 Apr 2002, 21:46
Carlos Santana can make his guitar sing and really tell a story....
give Europa a listen and you'll understand !!!

He's probably the most accomplished across a vast array of music styles..... and not as one dimensional or even two dimensional as most of the great guitarist already mentioned in this thread

Bee
15 Apr 2002, 21:56
Originally posted by Darky


So would I. :(

Before he met up with that cloth-eared bint he calls a wife, he was THE iconic rock guitarist. Now he's just a sad old man in saggy pantaloons.

Well it's amazing what older men will do for a younger woman.

SydneyBomber
15 Apr 2002, 21:57
Originally posted by Winston Wolf
Carlos Santana can make his guitar sing and really tell a story....
give Europa a listen and you'll understand !!!

He's probably the most accomplished across a vast array of music styles..... and not as one dimensional or even two dimensional as most of the great guitarist already mentioned in this thread

Haha Winston! - love the nick & sig.
Lots of cream, lots of sugar right?

Agree with Santana, although not really a fan.

bragg
15 Apr 2002, 23:20
My Vote goes to Josh Homme from - KYUSS
- Queens of the Stone Age

dreamkillers
16 Apr 2002, 00:41
Some good names mentioned already.........

other favourites of mine not already mentioned......and luckily got to see a lot of them at the Byron Bay Blues Fest in 2001

Ben Harper - best live performance I've ever seen was his final night at the festival......mind blowing and so diverse in what he can play

Jeff Lang - awesome on 12 strings and very under rated in this country

Harry Manx - had never heard of him before last year - this guy can play anything and make it sound good.......and the first time I've been impressed hearing the sitar played live.......

Ed Kuepper - a long time fan from his saints days through to the present......

John Butler - JBT's 3 shows during the festival were magnificent.....each CD gets better and better.......he's only at the beginning of what sounds like will be a long career - love the song Betterman from Three and have yet to see a bad performance - although I'm sure there may have been some


Unfortunately missed this years festival but heard Buddy guy blew them away.........next years Easter holidays are already booked.......:D

roofus
16 Apr 2002, 00:58
Originally posted by Darky


No, I agree about Hendrix - very sloppy player, seemed to rely more on showmanship and creating new sounds, than being technically proficient.

Really??? ever seen anyone play Little Wing "properly"?


Originally posted by Darky
I've yet to hear a Hendrix guitar piece that makes me think there aren't a hundred better guitarists.


A lot of "young" guys miss the point with Hendrix....He was into emotion and experimentation that's why when he emerged no one had heard anything like him. You had to live in those times to understand what he was doing as opposed to everyone else.

It's all very well saying that there are a 100 better guitarists....but better at what? originality?....no way, it had all been done before the shredders came on the scene by Beck, Clapton, Page, Hendrix, Blackmore, West etc.....the shredders just did it faster.


Originally posted by Darky
Also, I can recall having heard only two or three guitar solos where Crapton's guitar playing isn't all over the place... as if the tape is chewing.

What era? Pre Cream or Post Cream?
Crossroads live at the Fillmore for me is the most precise and perfect guitar solo I've ever heard.
Not one bum note and every note and phrase flowed perfectly into each other.

After Cream he went down hill....probably smack was the cause of it.


Originally posted by Darky

A lot of people mistake a brilliant guitarist for a guitarist in a brilliant band. They are not always the same thing.

Spot on.....and a brilliant guitarist is not necessarily the fastest.

roofus
16 Apr 2002, 01:07
There are too many to mention but here is a break down of era's:

60's
Clapton, Hendrix, Beck.

70's
Page, West, Blackmore, May.

80's
Moore, Lynch, Van Halen, Vai.

90's
Petrucci

I could add a pile more but I think these guys all did something that was unique and you always knew who was playing if you were blindfolded.

Darky
16 Apr 2002, 09:13
Originally posted by roofus

Really??? ever seen anyone play Little Wing "properly"?


I actually prefer the Skid Row version, and I'm not a big fan of theirs. Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow also did a very similar little tune called Catch The Rainbow. Little Wing is a great song, and I do like a lot of Hendrix's songs, but don't find his guitar playing to be anything special. Yes he was emotive and innovative which contributed a lot to his popularity, but death is a great career move too.



Originally posted by roofus
What era? Pre Cream or Post Cream?
Crossroads live at the Fillmore for me is the most precise and perfect guitar solo I've ever heard.
Not one bum note and every note and phrase flowed perfectly into each other.

After Cream he went down hill....probably smack was the cause of it.


Crossroads is one of the songs I was referring to where his playing is not out of tune - I've got a version around here somewhere, where old Craphand plays it with Jeff Beck. "Sunshine..." is probably the only other I can think of.


Originally posted by roofus
Spot on.....and a brilliant guitarist is not necessarily the fastest.

No accounting for personal taste. There are many reasons why people's tastes go in certain directions. The CDs in my collection span release dates across 40 years (plus some Chuck Berry and Robert Johnson, and many classical CDs before that) and many genres and sub-genres, so I'd like to think I am pretty openminded. Although everyone has favourites, it's about objectivity, and rating the guitarists I have heard. I simply don't rate Clapton at all, and Hendrix as being known for more than his actual playing.

I think a lot of people would dismiss the claims of certain guitarists as being the best, simply because they haven't heard their work. eg - Jod rates Knopfler and Harrison the best because he has listened to about six bands in his lifetime. ;)

Off on a tangent now....
Roofus, correct me if I am wrong, but you're a bit older than I am (I'm 26). How have your musical tastes evolved over the years?
Now that many of your favourite bands are unfortunately defunct (or shadows of their previous selves), hows does this reflect on your buying habits these days? Are there any bands these days you find worthwhile? Do you look for guitar work at the heavier/faster end of the spectrum? Do you listen to the radio and buy mainstream music? Do you focus on looking for re-releases and posthumous live releases of older material? Have you stopped buying music altogether?

NOTE - this is a serious set of questions as I am actually interested to know how people form their buying habits. especially someone who shares a love of much of the same music I do.

As much as I aim to buy every CD of whatever band I am really getting into, it sort of leaves me with nowhere to go once I've got them all. So once you've got all the Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Rainbow that's out there, where do you go? :confused: Luckily I usually discover another band to get into and the problem is no longer "what do I want to buy?" - it becomes "how do I afford it?"

These days I listen to a lot of power metal (fast, melodic, with classical and rock elements and a lot of ****ing of instruments) and a lot of it sounds same-ish. Like the "extreme black metal" saturation of 1993-95, and the LA glam wave before it, there's quality out there but you may have to sort through a lot of formula repetitive stuff to find it. I think you know you love your music when you don't mind sorting. :D

-PC28-
16 Apr 2002, 10:54
For pure guitar playing, Hendrix is the greatest. Elvis may have redefined "rock" but Hendrix took it by the balls squeezed real hard and started the trend for every wanna be guitarist out there.

I can see Darky's points about his playing. For example, SRV's version of Voodoo Child is a more polished version than Hendrix, but it doesn't "talk" to you in the same way.

Similarly, Cream/Clapton do a version on Highway Chile which again, sounds a lot more polished than Hendrix, but again, doesn't speak to you in the same way.

All along the watch tower - Who's version would you rather hear, Dylon's or Hendrix? Dylan is arguably one of the greatest writers ever, but Hendrix's version of this song is amazing.

Red House is a Hendrix & Experience jam at it's best. The music takes you to places in your mind that you just can't go in real life.

Similarly, Jam Back At The House w/ Band of Gypsy's at Woodstock.

Hendrix is the guitar god - He revolutionilised the artistry of guitar playing. Isle Of Wight, Monterey (possibly the BEST festival gig he ever did) Woodstock, Winterland - You need to see these concerts, not with your eyes, but with your mind.

Music is very personal, it all comes down to what speaks to you. Hendrix first spoke to me nearly 20 years after his untimely death, and still speaks to me today...

Are YOU Experienced? :)

Savatage
16 Apr 2002, 16:27
Originally posted by SydneyBomber
(WARNING: Definite flame starter ahead...:p )


Am I the only one who thinks Hendrix sounds like he was playing broken fingers and out of tune half the time?
Some of his stuff is ok, but some sounds horrible to me! Sorry!

For mine.

No flamefest here, it would've been nice if he knew how to tune the ****ing thing every once in a while too.

PeteLX
16 Apr 2002, 16:50
I put Hendrix and Miles Davis in similar boxes. Both weren't too technically proficient, but both influenced their respective musical styles more than anyone for their time.

Well, maybe the Beatles affected modern music more than Jimi, but you get my drift. Emotional soul music, as opposed to clinical technical playing appeals to me more. IMHO. ;)

gPhonque
16 Apr 2002, 17:19
My favourites:

John Housden (The Badloves)
Frank Zappa

And i can't think of any more. Man, i need to start listening to more guitar music again.......

CowboyFromHell
16 Apr 2002, 17:45
For me, is has to be Dimebag Darrell. One of the all time greats, and it annoys me he hasn't even rated a mention on here yet.

Steve Vai kicks some ass too.

BT
16 Apr 2002, 19:00
Originally posted by Carlos
Has to be Ace Frehely. Not the most technically proficient of them all, but his guitar solos speak man!!

Frehley, influencial? Definitely! Brilliant technically? NO!

Don't get me wrong I love the man's work (even his solo stuff!) But there are plenty better, most of whom have been influenced/inspired by "Space Ace".

Here are a few of my faves off the top of my head

Blackmore
Page
Dave Murray (Maiden)
Van Halen
Iommi
Satriani
Frehley
Friedman
Randy Rhodes

Savatage
16 Apr 2002, 19:37
Originally posted by CowboyFromHell
For me, is has to be Dimebag Darrell. One of the all time greats, and it annoys me he hasn't even rated a mention on here yet.



One of the all time greats? Come on man, give me a break. The guy is a good player, but is not one of the all time greats!

The reason he hasn't rated a mention is because there are so many superior players out there.

Maybe he's a good current player, but let's not forget this is the era of the anti guitar hero. Bands like Creed are supposed to be cool.

Savatage
16 Apr 2002, 19:39
Originally posted by BT


Frehley, influencial? Definitely! Brilliant technically? NO!

Don't get me wrong I love the man's work (even his solo stuff!) But there are plenty better, most of whom have been influenced/inspired by "Space Ace".



Amen.

IAMDASH
16 Apr 2002, 19:41
I like metal as much as the next bloke but you guys are monopolising the argument. This list comes from the JJJ website. They featured a J-Files on the topic and this is what they came up with.

EDDIE VAN HALEN (Van Halen) - "Eruption"
JIMMY PAGE (Led Zeppelin) - "Kashmir"
PETER BUCK (REM) - "I Believe"
ROBERT FRIPP (King Crimson) - "21st Century Schizoid Man"/Bowie's "Heroes"
FRANK ZAPPA - "Willy The Pimp"
LEE RANALDO/THURSTON MOORE (Sonic Youth) - "Teenage Riot"
PETE TOWNSHEND (The Who) - "The Ox"
EDDIE PHILLIPS (The Creation) - "Making Time"
VERNON REID (Living Colour) - "Memories Can't Wait"
NILE RODGERS (Chic) - "Good Times"
JOHNNY MARR (The Smiths) - "Queen Is Dead"
DAVE NAVARRO (Jane's Addiction) - "Up The Beach"
ACE FREHLEY (Kiss) - "Let Me Go, Rock & Roll"
JAMES McCARTY (Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels) - "Breakout"
STEVIE RAY VAUGHAN - "Little Wing"
ED KUEPPER - "Pretty Mary"
TOM VERLAINE/RICHARD LLOYD (Television) - "Marquee Moon"
THE EDGE (U2) - "Bullet The Blue Sky"
CARLOS SANTANA - "Samba Pa Ti"
KIRK HAMMETT (Metallica) - "No Remorse"
RON ASHETON (The Stooges) - "Not Right"
EDDIE HAZEL (Funkadelic) - "Maggot Brain"
JOE SATRIANI - "Midnight"
JOHNNY GREENWOOD (Radiohead) - "Paranoid Android"
BLIND WILLIE JOHNSON - "Dark Was The Night Cold Was The Ground"
KEITH RICHARDS (The Rolling Stones) - "Sympathy For The Devil"
STEVE CROPPER (Booker T & The MG's) - "Green Onions"
ANGUS YOUNG (AC/DC) - "Let There Be Rock"
DAVE GILMOUR (Pink Floyd) - "Comfortably Numb"
BOB MOULD (Husker Du) - "New Day Rising"
BERNARD BUTLER (Suede) - "Animal Nitrate"
NEIL YOUNG - "Cortez The Killer"
PRINCE - "Let's Go Crazy"
TOM MORELLO (Rage Against The Machine) - "Darkness"
GREG SAGE (The Wipers) - "Over The Edge"
TONY IOMMI (Black Sabbath) - "Supernaut"
J. MASCIS (Dinosaur Jr.) - "Freak Scene"
RICHARD THOMPSON - "Shoot Out The Lights"
JIMMY NOLEN (James Brown) - "Cold Sweat"
JONI MITCHELL - "Wolf That Lives In Lindsey"
JOE PERRY (Aerosmith) - "Walk This Way"
BLACK FRANCIS/JOEY SANTIAGO (The Pixies) - "The Happening"
LINK WRAY - "Rumble"
**** DALE - "Misirlou"
NICK DRAKE - "Cello Song"
PHIL MANZANERA (Roxy Music) - "In Every Dream Home A Heartache"
BRIAN MAY (Queen) - "I Want It All"
JIMI HENDRIX - "Red House"
GEORGE HARRISON - "My Sweet Lord"
BILLY CORGAN/JAMES IHA (Smashing Pumpkins) - "I Am One"
JOHN SQUIRE (Stone Roses) - "She Bangs The Drums"
ERIC CLAPTON (Cream) - "Crossroads"
JIM MOGINIE/MARTIN ROTSEY (Midnight Oil) - "Surfing With A Spoon"
MICK RONSON (David Bowie/Spiders From Mars) - "Ziggy Stardust"

Some really great names here and some that I would argue against. We have had some great guitarists in this country including:
Kent Steedman
Martin Rotsey
Deniz Tek (technically a seppo but made his name in an Aussie band)
Pete Wells
The Young Brothers

To say one is better than another........well I don't. They all have their different styles and sounds.........


Lead break!

roofus
16 Apr 2002, 22:12
Originally posted by Savatage


No flamefest here, it would've been nice if he knew how to tune the ****ing thing every once in a while too.

He wouldn't have had that problem if Floyd Rose had of been around.

Trying to keep a strat in tune after overkill on the wang bar is an impossibility without a locking tremelo unit.

roofus
16 Apr 2002, 22:32
EDDIE VAN HALEN (Van Halen)

yep

JIMMY PAGE (Led Zeppelin)

yep


PETER BUCK (REM)

you have to be joking.......

ROBERT FRIPP (King Crimson) - "21st Century Schizoid Man"

21st Schizoid yes......

FRANK ZAPPA

yep

LEE RANALDO/THURSTON MOORE (Sonic Youth)

puhleeese....don't insult my intelligence


PETE TOWNSHEND (The Who)

The first live band I ever saw!!!!!


EDDIE PHILLIPS (The Creation)

who??????

VERNON REID (Living Colour)

lots of notes....with nuthin' to say I'm afraid.

NILE RODGERS (Chic)

Doesn't rate as a guitar player but great producer

JOHNNY MARR (The Smiths)

oh dear.........

DAVE NAVARRO

nope......


ACE FREHLEY (Kiss)

well....kiss are an institution

JAMES McCARTY (It's actually Jim)

oh yeah! you gotta hear his stuff when he formed Cactus.....magnificent!

STEVIE RAY VAUGHAN

I was never a Stevie fan but I can see why people liked him.

ED KUEPPER
TOM VERLAINE/RICHARD LLOYD (Television)

yukkkkk!

THE EDGE (U2)

ummmm.....well you can always recognise him.

CARLOS SANTANA

you can't deny a legend

KIRK HAMMETT (Metallica)

not for me....all speed, no taste.

RON ASHETON (The Stooges)
EDDIE HAZEL (Funkadelic)

pfffft!

JOE SATRIANI

yep

JOHNNY GREENWOOD
yuk!!!!!

BLIND WILLIE JOHNSON

way before my time

KEITH RICHARDS
another legend...the true guitar slinger


STEVE CROPPER

i dunno....never did anything for me


ANGUS YOUNG

for those about to rock!!!

DAVE GILMOUR

yep God's guitarist

BOB MOULD (Husker Du)
BERNARD BUTLER (Suede)
NEIL YOUNG

pfffft!


PRINCE

a very underrated player

TOM MORELLO

plays great riffs but I have my doubts that he can go beyond that

GREG SAGE

who?

TONY IOMMI

another legend

J. MASCIS

oh dear...where do they get these names from

RICHARD THOMPSON

yep...a great unknown

JIMMY NOLEN

funk does nuthin' for me

JONI MITCHELL

a joke right?


JOE PERRY

great attitude....average player

BLACK FRANCIS/JOEY SANTIAGO

don't know 'em...


LINK WRAY

not for me


**** DALE
The king of surf guitar!!!



NICK DRAKE
pffft!


PHIL MANZANERA

saw a live concert on Fox recently with him on it "trying" to play White Room with Jack Bruce....he was atrocious.......yuuuuuk!


BRIAN MAY

one of the best live guitar sounds ever

JIMI HENDRIX

The greatest innovator in rock history

GEORGE HARRISON
hmmmm......unique slide technique


BILLY CORGAN/JAMES IHA

oh dear.........

JOHN SQUIRE

who????

ERIC CLAPTON

One of the greats

JIM MOGINIE/MARTIN ROTSEY
well......not really


MICK RONSON

He had great attitude....listen to Ian Hunters first solo album!

roofus
16 Apr 2002, 23:17
Originally posted by Darky



Crossroads is one of the songs I was referring to where his playing is not out of tune - I've got a version around here somewhere, where old Craphand plays it with Jeff Beck. "Sunshine..." is probably the only other I can think of.

Sounds like you missed out on all the other live Cream stuff.....his playing was always "on" (except for their final show at the Albert Hall where I thought he was flat), never a bum note and the fluidity in his playing was impeccable.



Originally posted by Darky
Off on a tangent now....
Roofus, correct me if I am wrong, but you're a bit older than I am (I'm 26).

Yep....I'm 49.

Originally posted by Darky

How have your musical tastes evolved over the years?

Depends on how much time you have......:)

My interests started with the emergence of The Beatles and ended with the emergence of bands like Nirvana.

The very first live gig I went to was at Festival Hall in 1967 where I saw The Who, and The Small Faces.....so that sort of says it all :)

I've always been into "guitar hero" bands, my motto is "if it's too loud, then you're too old".


Originally posted by Darky

Now that many of your favourite bands are unfortunately defunct (or shadows of their previous selves), hows does this reflect on your buying habits these days?

Well I don't buy anything hardly anymore. Mind you I came across a copy of The Yngwie Malmsteen Collection the other day so I bought that.

Originally posted by Darky
Are there any bands these days you find worthwhile?

hmmmm....there are none that impress me with their "chops" out of the latest crop. I do like some of the attitudes as shown by bands like Sevendust and Rammstein. I think this is what most bands place as their highest importance these days. It's not important to them that they show how good they are as individual musicians.


Originally posted by Darky
Do you look for guitar work at the heavier/faster end of the spectrum?

Not necessarily, but mostly.

Originally posted by Darky

Do you listen to the radio and buy mainstream music? Do you focus on looking for re-releases and posthumous live releases of older material?


not anymore


Originally posted by Darky

Have you stopped buying music altogether?

yep

Originally posted by Darky
NOTE - this is a serious set of questions as I am actually interested to know how people form their buying habits. especially someone who shares a love of much of the same music I do.

Understood. In a previous life I made my living as a full time musician so it will probably explain why my views are what they are.

CowboyFromHell
16 Apr 2002, 23:18
Originally posted by Savatage


One of the all time greats? Come on man, give me a break. The guy is a good player, but is not one of the all time greats!

The reason he hasn't rated a mention is because there are so many superior players out there.

Maybe he's a good current player, but let's not forget this is the era of the anti guitar hero. Bands like Creed are supposed to be cool.

Putting Creed in the same post as Pantera shows that you know NOTHING about what you are talking about.

Okay, maybe I went a little far in saying he is one of the all time greats, but he is a damn good player. Some of his stuff is just as hard to play, and sounds just as good as anyone else that got a mention.

And this anti hero crap - what the hell are you on about?? Dime doesn't fit in that at all!!

jod23
17 Apr 2002, 07:01
Originally posted by IAMDASH
I like metal as much as the next bloke but you guys are monopolising the argument. This list comes from the JJJ website. They featured a J-Files on the topic and this is what they came up with.

EDDIE VAN HALEN (Van Halen) - "Eruption"
JIMMY PAGE (Led Zeppelin) - "Kashmir"
PETER BUCK (REM) - "I Believe"
ROBERT FRIPP (King Crimson) - "21st Century Schizoid Man"/Bowie's "Heroes"
FRANK ZAPPA - "Willy The Pimp"
LEE RANALDO/THURSTON MOORE (Sonic Youth) - "Teenage Riot"
PETE TOWNSHEND (The Who) - "The Ox"
EDDIE PHILLIPS (The Creation) - "Making Time"
VERNON REID (Living Colour) - "Memories Can't Wait"
NILE RODGERS (Chic) - "Good Times"
JOHNNY MARR (The Smiths) - "Queen Is Dead"
DAVE NAVARRO (Jane's Addiction) - "Up The Beach"
ACE FREHLEY (Kiss) - "Let Me Go, Rock & Roll"
JAMES McCARTY (Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels) - "Breakout"
STEVIE RAY VAUGHAN - "Little Wing"
ED KUEPPER - "Pretty Mary"
TOM VERLAINE/RICHARD LLOYD (Television) - "Marquee Moon"
THE EDGE (U2) - "Bullet The Blue Sky"
CARLOS SANTANA - "Samba Pa Ti"
KIRK HAMMETT (Metallica) - "No Remorse"
RON ASHETON (The Stooges) - "Not Right"
EDDIE HAZEL (Funkadelic) - "Maggot Brain"
JOE SATRIANI - "Midnight"
JOHNNY GREENWOOD (Radiohead) - "Paranoid Android"
BLIND WILLIE JOHNSON - "Dark Was The Night Cold Was The Ground"
KEITH RICHARDS (The Rolling Stones) - "Sympathy For The Devil"
STEVE CROPPER (Booker T & The MG's) - "Green Onions"
ANGUS YOUNG (AC/DC) - "Let There Be Rock"
DAVE GILMOUR (Pink Floyd) - "Comfortably Numb"
BOB MOULD (Husker Du) - "New Day Rising"
BERNARD BUTLER (Suede) - "Animal Nitrate"
NEIL YOUNG - "Cortez The Killer"
PRINCE - "Let's Go Crazy"
TOM MORELLO (Rage Against The Machine) - "Darkness"
GREG SAGE (The Wipers) - "Over The Edge"
TONY IOMMI (Black Sabbath) - "Supernaut"
J. MASCIS (Dinosaur Jr.) - "Freak Scene"
RICHARD THOMPSON - "Shoot Out The Lights"
JIMMY NOLEN (James Brown) - "Cold Sweat"
JONI MITCHELL - "Wolf That Lives In Lindsey"
JOE PERRY (Aerosmith) - "Walk This Way"
BLACK FRANCIS/JOEY SANTIAGO (The Pixies) - "The Happening"
LINK WRAY - "Rumble"
**** DALE - "Misirlou"
NICK DRAKE - "Cello Song"
PHIL MANZANERA (Roxy Music) - "In Every Dream Home A Heartache"
BRIAN MAY (Queen) - "I Want It All"
JIMI HENDRIX - "Red House"
GEORGE HARRISON - "My Sweet Lord"
BILLY CORGAN/JAMES IHA (Smashing Pumpkins) - "I Am One"
JOHN SQUIRE (Stone Roses) - "She Bangs The Drums"
ERIC CLAPTON (Cream) - "Crossroads"
JIM MOGINIE/MARTIN ROTSEY (Midnight Oil) - "Surfing With A Spoon"
MICK RONSON (David Bowie/Spiders From Mars) - "Ziggy Stardust"

Some really great names here and some that I would argue against. We have had some great guitarists in this country including:
Kent Steedman
Martin Rotsey
Deniz Tek (technically a seppo but made his name in an Aussie band)
Pete Wells
The Young Brothers

To say one is better than another........well I don't. They all have their different styles and sounds.........


Lead break!

WTF??? Where is Mark Knopfler????????? Shocking list if he isnt on it!!

Darky
17 Apr 2002, 09:53
Originally posted by jod23


WTF??? Where is Mark Knopfler????????? Shocking list if he isnt on it!!

As it's a JJJ poll or article, it will feature mostly artists who get played on JJJ or are similarly "trendy" alternative bands. Try to be as obscure as possible, and you just get trendier and trendier... throw in a couple of token references to different genres to make it look more objective, and voila you have a so-called "definitive" list.

The real cracker for me is the inclusion of those two clowns from Sonic Youth. Reminds me of the quote from a mate several years ago who said Kurt Cobain is the world's best guitarist because "he can hit all six strings at the same time"! :eek:

To suggest the guitarists in Sonic Youth, REM, Aerosmith and several others mentioned are better players than Malmsteen, Roth, Schenker, Blackmore, etc etc etc is absolutely laughable.

Technically, Malmsteen is probably the best in the world... but couldn't write a song to save his life. They are boring guitar solos with a few words over the top.

If the piece had been taken from a Triple M website, people would have nominated the Young brothers, Ian Moss, and the guys from all the grunge and post-grunge bands, because those listeners are their demographic.

If you ever buy a guitar mag with similar polls or articles, the same names always pop up... it's almost like it's done to a formula. Name Hendrix, Page and Eddie VH in your top 4-5 because they sell magazines to the old crowd, add Hammett and Cobain somewhere in the top 5-10 because they sell magazines to the new crowd, and fill the rest of the top 50 with obscure names to make the article appear well-researched and the author knowledgable.

A lot of the recognition given to guitarists in guitar mags is based on an infomercial style of writing... you won't see any Uli Jon Roth articles because there aren't many advertising dollars to be made from a one-of-a-kind custom-made 7 string, 30 fret guitar.

The definitive lists exist only in our minds.

Savatage
17 Apr 2002, 12:25
Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


Putting Creed in the same post as Pantera shows that you know NOTHING about what you are talking about.



Get over yourself, I know everything about what I am talking about.

It was a simple piece of literature that wasn't hard to comprehend.

The REASON the Creed reference was in there was to further clarify that we are in an era that is the death of the guitar hero.

This is what I said "Maybe he's a good current player, but let's not forget this is the era of the anti guitar hero. Bands like Creed are supposed to be cool".

I never said Creed was cool, to me they are anti-music, but they are just an example that guitar solos are out, guitar heros are dead. They live underground but not in mainstream music society.

That's the "anti hero crap" I was talking about.

Dimebag's good, but he's not an all time great, and you just agreed with me anyway.

oh_my_hat
17 Apr 2002, 14:35
I don't know if he's been mentioned in here but I also enjoy Kenny Wayne Shepherd and Viviam Campbell can really wail too - especially in his tenure with Ronnie James Dio.

Also Zakk Wilde and Randy Rhodes when playing on Ozzy Osbourne's albums were something else.

I am having trouble with some of the posts denegrading Jimi Hendrix's playing but praising his voice. I think I'm living in the twilight zone. :D

Savatage
17 Apr 2002, 16:06
Originally posted by oh_my_hat

Also Zakk Wilde and Randy Rhodes when playing on Ozzy Osbourne's albums were something else.


I basically put on Blizzard of Ozz & Diary of a Madman to hear Randy, he was the highlight of those albums. The songs were also of quality- but I can honestly say that he made those albums great.

Zakk Wylde can do anything from Country to filthy metal! A bit of a redneck!

roofus
17 Apr 2002, 20:38
Originally posted by oh_my_hat
I don't know if he's been mentioned in here but I also enjoy Kenny Wayne Shepherd and Viviam Campbell can really wail too - especially in his tenure with Ronnie James Dio.

Also Zakk Wilde and Randy Rhodes when playing on Ozzy Osbourne's albums were something else.

I am having trouble with some of the posts denegrading Jimi Hendrix's playing but praising his voice. I think I'm living in the twilight zone. :D

KWS is a good player but a bit too SVR for my liking.
Vivian Campbell....yes a great player 'cept he didn't get much of a go in Def Leppard....tended to be second string to the other guy (who was a good player as well).

Zakk Wilde.....yes had great tone....he's got a country and western side to him as well which is quite intriguing.

roofus
17 Apr 2002, 20:50
Originally posted by Darky


As it's a JJJ poll or article, it will feature mostly artists who get played on JJJ or are similarly "trendy" alternative bands. Try to be as obscure as possible, and you just get trendier and trendier... throw in a couple of token references to different genres to make it look more objective, and voila you have a so-called "definitive" list.

Totally agree......after all it's cool to be s**t.


Originally posted by Darky

The real cracker for me is the inclusion of those two clowns from Sonic Youth. Reminds me of the quote from a mate several years ago who said Kurt Cobain is the world's best guitarist because "he can hit all six strings at the same time"! :eek:

Gotta disagree here Darky....the inclusion of Joni Mitchell made me fall off of my chair.


Originally posted by Darky

Technically, Malmsteen is probably the best in the world... but couldn't write a song to save his life. They are boring guitar solos with a few words over the top.:

Yes his songs are generally pretty ordinary.....but I think Petrucci is more technical.

Ever sat down to analyse those time signatures that Dream Theatre use? it ain't 4/4.... try 15/8, that's what sorts the men out from the boys :)


Originally posted by Darky
The definitive lists exist only in our minds. :D

Well said!

Darky
17 Apr 2002, 22:07
Originally posted by Savatage


I basically put on Blizzard of Ozz & Diary of a Madman to hear Randy, he was the highlight of those albums. The songs were also of quality- but I can honestly say that he made those albums great.

Zakk Wylde can do anything from Country to filthy metal! A bit of a redneck!

A rumour a few years ago, after Gilby Clarke left Guns'N'Roses, was that Zakk Wylde was going to leave Ozzy's troupe to replace Gilby.

Slash and Zakk playing together... hmmm... a bit same-ish don't you think?

Agree entirely on Randy Rhoads. He died in that crash when he was 26... still a young man learning his craft, but a sensational player already. How good could he have been after 20 more years? Mind boggling stuff.

IMHO it's no coincidence that Ozzy's stuff was very bland in the mid 80s after Randy wasn't around, as his strong songwriting added to his great playing.

I like the sound mix on Tribute, and that album has the BEST version of Crazy Train!

Savatage
17 Apr 2002, 22:37
Originally posted by Darky


A rumour a few years ago, after Gilby Clarke left Guns'N'Roses, was that Zakk Wylde was going to leave Ozzy's troupe to replace Gilby.



No rumour bro, that was a fact. Zakk co-wrote many songs with Axl & it was very likely for a while there, I think it never eventuated because of Axl's ridiculous demands & also because at the time Zakk had Pride & Glory as well as a supposed place in Ozzy's band.

But it would've been cool to see I think!

As for your thoughts RE: Randy Rhoads, I echo them.

I mean the solo at the end of Mr Crowley just ****s with my emotions, it's amazing- phenomenal.

Revelation Mother Earth is another underrated song.

You big footy metal fans, why don't we get together for a jam one night?

jod23
18 Apr 2002, 06:05
No BB King in JJJ's ****e list!

Goatboy
19 Apr 2002, 10:11
Ive got a bunch of em some of my faves include

Blackmore
Neal Schon
Gary Moore of old - G Force was an album!
George Lynch
Ronnie Le Tekro
John Norum
Van Halen
Brain May
Michael Schenker

skilts
22 Apr 2002, 10:40
Robbie Robertson from The Band.
Huddie Leadbetter. (A.K.A. Leadbelly)

SydneyBomber
22 Apr 2002, 13:41
Originally posted by roofus

Yes his songs are generally pretty ordinary.....but I think Petrucci is more technical.

Ever sat down to analyse those time signatures that Dream Theatre use? it ain't 4/4.... try 15/8, that's what sorts the men out from the boys :)


Yup - I wholeheartedly concur.

Yngwie was definitely innovative when Rising Force appeared, but didn't ever seen to show much more, and others have well and truly surpassed him since. For the same reason as not including Hendrix, I won't include Yngwie - instead going with Petrucci.

Yngwie DID actually write a couple of good songs, but too few and far between.

Dream Theater on the other hand have written some amazing stuff (as well as some pretty gay ballads - urgh!:o ).

John Myung is great too!
:)

dan smith
23 Apr 2002, 00:19
images and words = awesome album! one of my fave albums of all time

scmods
11 May 2002, 18:23
i know this thread sort of died a few weeks back, but i had to put in a word for the guy in my avatar!! (now let's see how many can recognise him...)

also in my list... Gilmour, The Edge, Knopfler, Page, Gilmour, Moginie, Buck, Harrison, Gilmour, May

did i mention Gilmour?

Wally
12 May 2002, 13:03
Too hard to single one out, but here's my faves:

Buddy Guy
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Ritchie Blackmore
Eric Clapton
Jimi Hendrix
Johnny Winter
Angus Young
Lobby Lloyde

where's wally?

Wally
12 May 2002, 13:21
Originally posted by roofus


Really??? ever seen anyone play Little Wing "properly"?




A lot of "young" guys miss the point with Hendrix....He was into emotion and experimentation that's why when he emerged no one had heard anything like him. You had to live in those times to understand what he was doing as opposed to everyone else.

It's all very well saying that there are a 100 better guitarists....but better at what? originality?....no way, it had all been done before the shredders came on the scene by Beck, Clapton, Page, Hendrix, Blackmore, West etc.....the shredders just did it faster.




What era? Pre Cream or Post Cream?
Crossroads live at the Fillmore for me is the most precise and perfect guitar solo I've ever heard.
Not one bum note and every note and phrase flowed perfectly into each other.

After Cream he went down hill....probably smack was the cause of it.




Spot on.....and a brilliant guitarist is not necessarily the fastest.

All good points, although have to disagree with your thoughts on Clapton going down hill after Cream. 'Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs' and 'Derek and The Dominoes Live At The Filmore' are great albums. Derek And The Dominoes life was......for mine......way too short.

where's wally?

hourn
12 May 2002, 17:46
Hendrix was really good, but as some people already mentioned, he made some awesome sounds, but he also made some dead dreadful sounds. That was just his style.

The thing with guiatring is, not always the technical best sounds the best. Mark Knoffpler was probably the best guitarist ever, techincally, but he didn't always sound good. sometimes he could sound cluttered and busy, but it was a near impossible sound for anyone else to achieve.

Some people think that just because a guy sounds like ****, that he can't play for ****, which isn't always the case.

DEVO
14 May 2002, 09:50
DI(K DALE

The King of the Surf Guitar
The Godfather of Heavy Metal

and according to Hendrix

THE GREATEST GUITARIST OF ALL TIME.

And like all true geniuses, he is a lefty.

Briedis
16 May 2002, 12:08
Originally posted by Bee
Simple! Stevie Ray Vaughan.:) Followed by Blackmore, Clapton, Paige.

Throw in Dave Gilmore and you have my top 5 of all time.

Love your work Bee!

Briedis
16 May 2002, 12:37
Originally posted by roofus


Really??? ever seen anyone play Little Wing "properly"?


Yep. Stevie Ray!

Briedis
16 May 2002, 13:05
When it comes to talking "the greatest ever lead guitarist" you can leave out all of the "shredders" of the 80s and 90s. They are a waste of space. Anyone can sit in their bedroom and practise scales, appeggios and ascending and descending patterns until they can play it really fast. That does not make you a great lead guitarist.

A great lead guitarist is one who can use his technique, musical ear and "soul" to embelish the music, not take over from the music ala Malmsteen.

I can't believe a serious conversation about lead guitarists has not even made the slightest mention of John McLaughlin. McLaughlin had the technique of any of your modern shredders but used it tastefully and in context. His guitar sounds were always fitting in with the music and he could create some of the darkest music. His playing affected you heart, not your ego. Unfortunately his playing became more and more soft as he got older, which is expected I suppose.

Check out his playing with the Mahavishnu Orchestra on "Inner Mounting Flame", "Birds of Fire", "Between Nothingness and Eternity". He also did an album with Santana "Love Devotion and Surrender" which is fantastic.

McLaughlin is also one of the great acoustic guitarists. His blend of Eastern music with his acoustic guitaring on the "Shakti" albums has to be heard to be believed. Plus his teamup with Al Dimeola and Paco DeLucia on "Friday Night in San Fransisco" is one of the great acoustic guitar albums.

The most influential guitarists IMO have been:

Django Reinhart, Chuck Berry, Wes Montgomery, Scotty Moore, Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, John McLaughlin, Frank Zappa, Ritchie Blackmore, Eric Clapton.

Also, Steve Howe from "Yes" deserves a mention as he was one of the great "virtuoso" guitarists of the 70s.

windyhill
16 May 2002, 21:23
Steve Vai...saw him live,I was in absolute awe.
Then Ace and Mick Mars.

roofus
16 May 2002, 21:58
Originally posted by Briedis

I can't believe a serious conversation about lead guitarists has not even made the slightest mention of John McLaughlin.
Check out his playing with the Mahavishnu Orchestra on "Inner Mounting Flame", "Birds of Fire", "Between Nothingness and Eternity". He also did an album with Santana "Love Devotion and Surrender" which is fantastic.

Yes...I went through the "McLaughlin phase" as well, there is no denying the guys technical virtuosity, but to me he was just another guy who played a lot of exotic scales and modes super fast...but jeez....I can only stand the locrian mode so many times before it gets boring.

Originally posted by Briedis

Also, Steve Howe from "Yes" deserves a mention as he was one of the great "virtuoso" guitarists of the 70s.

Yes....saw them here in '72 (I think it was) one of the 4 best bands I've ever seen live.

Not long ago on Foxtel there was a 2 hour documentory on them...and they were just as good!

The Hippie
17 May 2002, 00:16
Originally posted by roofus




Yes....saw them here in '72 (I think it was) one of the 4 best bands I've ever seen live.

Not long ago on Foxtel there was a 2 hour documentory on them...and they were just as good!

roofus, was that the special with interviews and clips right through their career, leading up to a reunion concert where I think every member that had played in the band was onstage together? If it's the same show I'm thinking of, it was great.

roofus
17 May 2002, 00:56
Originally posted by The Hippie


roofus, was that the special with interviews and clips right through their career, leading up to a reunion concert where I think every member that had played in the band was onstage together? If it's the same show I'm thinking of, it was great.

Thats the one!!! :)

Briedis
17 May 2002, 10:58
Originally posted by roofus
Yes...I went through the "McLaughlin phase" as well, there is no denying the guys technical virtuosity, but to me he was just another guy who played a lot of exotic scales and modes super fast...but jeez....I can only stand the locrian mode so many times before it gets boring.


Sorry Roofus, but that is probably one of the biggest mis-statements I've seen. If you think McLaughlin is just fast scales then I seriously doubt you have really listened to much of his stuff. And when McLauglin DOES play fast it is usually tasteful and fits in with the song. There's hardly any fast playing at all on "Birds of Fire" which I think is the Mahavishnu Orchestras finest album.

I also doubt you could get away with playing with Miles Davis with just the Locrian mode. But anyway, thats like saying - there only so many times you can hear the Aeolian scale before Blackmore gets annoying or getting bored with B.B.King just playing the blues scale.

roofus
17 May 2002, 20:49
Originally posted by Briedis
If you think McLaughlin is just fast scales then I seriously doubt you have really listened to much of his stuff. And when McLauglin DOES play fast it is usually tasteful and fits in with the song.

Well, I have a copy of TIMF which I've had since it came out.....didn't do a lot for me I'm afraid.

Also the stuff he did with Carlos Santana didn't set me alight either......Sri Chimnoy they can have together.....

Heard the stuff he did with Paco whatsisface again not my cup of tea.

Originally posted by Briedis

I also doubt you could get away with playing with Miles Davis with just the Locrian mode.
Now you're being pedantic....you know what I meant :)

Originally posted by Briedis

But anyway, thats like saying - there only so many times you can hear the Aeolian scale before Blackmore gets annoying

Blackmore tended to use the Dorian mode.....interspersed with a dash of phrygian.

Originally posted by Briedis
or getting bored with B.B.King just playing the blues scale.

Nothing wrong with pentatonic's!

Stocka
13 Jun 2002, 13:25
Nick McCabe did some great work with The Verve in the 90's, in terms of experimental sounds.

M29
13 Jun 2002, 17:27
Noel Gallagher was voted in some US mag the most overrated guitarist of all time ahead of Eric Clapton who came 2nd.

Go figure.

skilts
15 Jun 2002, 15:04
Best guitarist I've ever seen live was Ellen McIlwaine, a resident of Canada.

She came on stage strumming an acoustic for the first part of the first song, then paused, said to the audience, "This is how female guitarists are meant to play. I don't do that." She then picked up an axe and played two hours of the raunchiest R & R you've ever heard. She also sang and played piano, all solo. Apparently she'd played with and was friendly with Hendrix. She even out-Henrixed Hendrix, playing all his famous riffs, with one hand behind her back. Oh, she also writes all her own songs. I believe she still performs.

Harry
18 Jun 2002, 01:09
Not a "lead guitarist" except for a couple of one-off supergroup performances but I'd rate Tommy Emmanuel as a very talented musician.

His "Guitar Boogie" ranks with "Wipeout" and "Duelling Banjoes" as my favourite instrumental tunes.

GhostofJimJess
22 Jun 2002, 00:19
Here we go, for what it's worth ... I'm not sure if they're in any order after the first handful ...

Frank Zappa ... so many different styles in one guitarist
Kent Steedman ... pure energy
Brett Myers (Died Pretty) ... particularly his work in the 80's more so than the 90's.
Jimmy Page ... for all the reasons others have already stated
Josh Homme
Pete Townsend
Tommy Iommi
Hendrix ... of course
Gary Lee Conner
Dave Navarro
Denis Tek
Ron Asheton
Keef
Robbie Watts (Cosmic Psychos)

That will do for now.

Rusty Brookes
24 Jun 2002, 09:19
Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
Here we go, for what it's worth ... I'm not sure if they're in any order after the first handful ...

Frank Zappa ... so many different styles in one guitarist
Kent Steedman ... pure energy
Brett Myers (Died Pretty) ... particularly his work in the 80's more so than the 90's.
Jimmy Page ... for all the reasons others have already stated
Josh Homme
Pete Townsend
Tommy Iommi
Hendrix ... of course
Gary Lee Conner
Dave Navarro
Denis Tek
Ron Asheton
Keef
Robbie Watts (Cosmic Psychos)

That will do for now.

I think you might mean Tony Iommi (of Black Sabbath). This is a pretty cool list :)

GhostofJimJess
24 Jun 2002, 23:26
Of course Rusty I overlooked the greatest of them all ... the doyen of all things guitar and lead - Nigel Tufnel from Spinal Tap !!! Kick my arse .... I'm telling you, kick my arse ....

Rusty Brookes
25 Jun 2002, 08:59
Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
Of course Rusty I overlooked the greatest of them all ... the doyen of all things guitar and lead - Nigel Tufnel from Spinal Tap !!! Kick my arse .... I'm telling you, kick my arse ....

His collection of guitars is amazing. He's still even got the old tagger on one of them ;)

The A-tron
25 Jun 2002, 13:10
Angus Young-for the rockingest time ever.

Then the others:
Page
Hammet
Harrison
and the guy from the doors.

Cunning Canine
25 Jun 2002, 21:41
Originally posted by The A-tron
Angus Young-for the rockingest time ever.

Although I love listening to Angus and AC/DC, I couldn't class him as one of the best.
It's too hard to separate the guitar legends, as most have different styles and techniques. Joe Satriani great, but at his Adelaide gig a few years ago, his guitar was still playing while his hands were in the air! Now, I'm not sure if he can play with any other of his appendages, but to me, he was miming:mad:
Even Tommy Emmanuel walked out half way through!
Clapton, Van Halen, May, Hendrix, Rhodes, Blackmore, Iommi, B.B. King, Buddy Guy, Jeff Beck, etc. etc. How can you say which one is better?
After seeing the Rainbow concert, I wouldn't class Jimmy Paige as one of the great 'live' guitarists: Bill Wyman, Clapton and Jeff Beck were actually laughing at him, he was so off his head! He was still a fantastic 'studio' guitarist, none the less.

GhostofJimJess
25 Jun 2002, 22:38
Can I include Les Claypool from Primus ? ... I know he slaps a 6-string bass guitar, but he's the closest thing that a bass player ever gets to being called a "lead" guitarist ...

Stocka
26 Jun 2002, 00:11
Who has seen Pink Floyd live?

A number of people who I've spoken to, who have, regard D.Gilmour as one of the best live guitarists they've seen.

Briedis
27 Jun 2002, 16:27
Originally posted by Stocka
Who has seen Pink Floyd live?

A number of people who I've spoken to, who have, regard D.Gilmour as one of the best live guitarists they've seen.

Me and yes. Possibly the best concert I have ever been to. Would have been better with Roger though....

Anyone seen "Live In Pompeii"? Some awesome guitarwork in that.

Roylion
29 Jun 2002, 16:44
Brian May for mine. An absolutely unique sound that was the backbone of many Queen classics.

Other lead guitarists that were very good.
Jimmy Page,
Tony Iommi,
Eddie van Halen
Steve Clark
Mark Knopfler
Ritchie Blackmore
Mick Ronson
Keith Richards

I've never been a big fan of Hendrix or Clapton.

Woodson
1 Jul 2002, 23:53
Originally posted by Darky
Tribute[/i], and that album has the BEST version of Crazy Train!

So Mindblowing....I had to BUY BUY BUY the whole record!! and now have it on CD!!! a MUST HAVE in any collection!!

Dee is incredibly cute!:p

Woodson
1 Jul 2002, 23:56
Originally posted by Roylion
Brian May for mine. An absolutely unique sound that was the backbone of many Queen classics.

Other lead guitarists that were very good.
Jimmy Page,
Tony Iommi,
Eddie van Halen
Steve Clark
Mark Knopfler
Ritchie Blackmore
Mick Ronson
Keith Richards

I've never been a big fan of Hendrix or Clapton.

Neat list there....Roylion
No Screaming 'Stevie Vai' or Joe Satriani ???? tsk tsk tsk ;)

dreamkillers
2 Jul 2002, 00:00
Originally posted by Briedis


Me and yes. Possibly the best concert I have ever been to. Would have been better with Roger though....



Saw them at Thebby Oval in Adelaide on that tour........awesome show and agree it would have been better with Roger but the whole show was still mind blowing.........:D