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jackess
19 May 2007, 17:05
Outclassed and outcoached today.
Awful to watch. Another weak effort by a lot of the side.
Only positives thus far, Drummond and Selwood returning well and Simon Black's continuing all australian form.
Lets hope for a more competitives effort next week.
campbell
19 May 2007, 17:08
Outclassed and outcoached today.
Awful to watch. Another weak effort by a lot of the side.
Only positives thus far, Drummond and Selwood returning well and Simon Black's continuing all australian form.
Lets hope for a more competitives effort next week.
Jed looked okay.'
We need some help for Brownie down forward, maybe Charmo with Wood in the ruck.
jackess
19 May 2007, 17:09
Too early to call, but hopefully out: Allan, Brennan and In: Clark and Sherman
Hopefully Johnson will be fit as well
only listening on radio (and happy to be corrected by those watching) but is this the worst performance this year? Seems like Leigh doesn't have any answers. So frustrating even to listen to. Just a few thoughts & questions for you guys...
Brown constantly double & triple teamed but nothing done to make these 2nd & 3rd men up accountable.
Power following Mcviegh into the forward line is ridiculous and he's getting killed and the commentators realised it 2 quarters ago.
Forward line seems to have no structure for the second week in a row. Was Johnson a bigger loss than we thought or are we simply lacking any option?
Brennan to go?
campbell
19 May 2007, 17:15
only listening on radio (and happy to be corrected by those watching) but is this the worst performance this year? Seems like Leigh doesn't have any answers. So frustrating even to listen to. Just a few thoughts & questions for you guys...
Brown constantly double & triple teamed but nothing done to make these 2nd & 3rd men up accountable.
Power following Mcviegh into the forward line is ridiculous and he's getting killed and the commentators realised it 2 quarters ago.
Forward line seems to have no structure for the second week in a row. Was Johnson a bigger loss than we thought or are we simply lacking any option?
Brennan to go?
Same as last week in the forward line. No structure.No answers from the coaching panel, which is a worry.
Davey for them is very very good. 2nd and 3rd efforts, on top of amazing speed.
we have been beaten in the ruck all day , out numbered up forward poor old brown how do you play 3 blokes all day ? tackling was piss poor = rotten day
get clark in asap !!!!!!
Vipertooth
19 May 2007, 17:23
What happened to our hardness??? What happened to us owning the middle???
What happened to our goal kicking???
What has happened to Leigh's coaching :confused:
Im not so optimistic about our season now, I think we would have had to win this one to make finals.
BTW Selwood and Drummond are champs!!! Definatly will hold their place in the team for the rest of the season!
Also Adcock is performing well as always, Brown was good in the centre, but is getting thrashed in the foward line because of being 3 teamed.
When does Clark come back? We need another foward desperatly.
Perhaps the worst thing is that Bomber's supporters will be bragging all week about how Mal destroyed Brown.:p
Homer Jnr
19 May 2007, 17:25
Perhaps the worst thing is that Bomber's supporters will be bragging all week about how Mal destroyed Brown.:p
I could destroy Brown if I had a mate or two at every contest helping me out.
we have been beaten in the ruck all day , out numbered up forward poor old brown how do you play 3 blokes all day ? tackling was piss poor = rotten day
get clark in asap !!!!!!
Need more than Clark I think.
Our worst performance this year by far.
Lukey has had a shocker ,unusual for him.
Poor skills really ,disposal terrible .
Piss poor rotten day sums it up pretty well Irish..:thumbsd:
Vipertooth
19 May 2007, 17:27
I think Stiller in injured....and so it begins.
Another long season :(
Perhaps the worst thing is that Bomber's supporters will be bragging all week about how Mal destroyed Brown.:p
Poor bloke hasn't had a chance all year has he?
I'm not game enough to watch, our percentage is going to be awful.
What the hell happened?
jackess
19 May 2007, 17:29
Lucky the game's not at the gabba or only the essendon cheer squad will be left in the crowd.
IMO the only chance of the lions making the eight is is Mitch Clark can play well at full forward.
campbell
19 May 2007, 17:29
we got ambushed. They wanted it more, more ready to chase and tackle.
darthfalcon
19 May 2007, 17:31
Disgraceful.
I can't think of anyone who could really hold their head up high after that display.
Good to see Selwood back and finding the ball, but they looked like primary schoolkids (complete with urine stain on their shirts) running around at lunchtime trying to keep up with the big boys.
And it was Essendon!
Hopefully this will be the kick in the nuts that gets our season on its way. Well, it's good to look on the brightside!
On another note, how bad is that jumper! :D
campbell
19 May 2007, 17:34
Disgraceful.
I can't think of anyone who could really hold their head up high after that display.
Good to see Selwood back and finding the ball, but they looked like primary schoolkids (complete with urine stain on their shirts) running around at lunchtime trying to keep up with the big boys.
And it was Essendon!
Hopefully this will be the kick in the nuts that gets our season on its way. Well, it's good to look on the brightside!
On another note, how bad is that jumper! :D
I loved the banner. About us wearing maroon, blue and gold.lol
Vipertooth
19 May 2007, 17:34
Disgraceful.
I can't think of anyone who could really hold their head up high after that display.
Good to see Selwood back and finding the ball, but they looked like primary schoolkids (complete with urine stain on their shirts) running around at lunchtime trying to keep up with the big boys.
And it was Essendon!
Hopefully this will be the kick in the nuts that gets our season on its way. Well, it's good to look on the brightside!
On another note, how bad is that jumper! :D
I thought last game was the kick in the nuts, and even Lappin said in a news atricle that they were going to have a real crack and that they learnt all this stuff, bluh bluh bluh
:rolleyes:
jackess
19 May 2007, 17:35
On another note, how bad is that jumper! :D
About as bad as the Lions have played today.
SHOCKING
Another positive is that Hadley definately had his best game of the season
we got ambushed. They wanted it more, more ready to chase and tackle.
Yes they have played well. it will take a lot of coming back confidence wise from a flogging like this.
For what it's worth the jumpers really aren't that bad.
Leigh is going ot need all his coaching skills for the rest of the year methinks.
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Vipertooth
19 May 2007, 17:45
Yes they have played well. it will take a lot of coming back confidence wise from a flogging like this.
For what it's worth the jumpers really aren't that bad.
Leigh is going ot need all his coaching skills for the rest of the year methinks.
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leigh has been outcoached quite a bit this season, that has got me worried
campbell
19 May 2007, 17:46
Yes they have played well. it will take a lot of coming back confidence wise from a flogging like this.
For what it's worth the jumpers really aren't that bad.
Leigh is going ot need all his coaching skills for the rest of the year methinks.
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Agree with that.
Don't like the jumper though.I can't see a clash today with our normal jumper.
Disgraceful.
I can't think of anyone who could really hold their head up high after that display.
Good to see Selwood back and finding the ball, but they looked like primary schoolkids (complete with urine stain on their shirts) running around at lunchtime trying to keep up with the big boys.
And it was Essendon!
Hopefully this will be the kick in the nuts that gets our season on its way. Well, it's good to look on the brightside!
On another note, how bad is that jumper! :D
If you didnt know where actually a pretty dam good team when Lloydy is playing :thumbsu:
Heads up Brisbane fans, Thought some of your youngsters played very well today
lionlova
19 May 2007, 17:49
Leigh will be on Before the Game tonight, so we'll get to hear his opinion on the game.
Grimreepah
19 May 2007, 17:58
Forward line seems to have no structure for the second week in a row.
Yes. Something is serisouly wrong when the opposition can so easily leave their opponent to help out on Brown. We need another strong marking big guy with a presence.
Brennan to go?
I think so. Didn't offer us anything today. I think swapping him for Clark, and move Patfull back into defence.
we have been beaten in the ruck all day
Agree. Wouldn't mind seeing Wood come back in for Beau.
Great_Unknown
19 May 2007, 17:59
Is it just me, or did we look SLOW. Surely the brains trust could use 'horses for courses' mentality at least once, and go with pace against the Bombers. Sherman = stiff.
jackess
19 May 2007, 18:04
Could Clark, Charman and Leuenberger share the rucking and full forward duties next week.
They would be seriously dangerous
jo_lions
19 May 2007, 18:05
Thank you Troy Selwood for providing at least a little ray of sunshine on what was otherwise a very, very rainy day.
:( :( :(
campbell
19 May 2007, 18:07
Is it just me, or did we look SLOW. Surely the brains trust could use 'horses for courses' mentality at least once, and go with pace against the Bombers. Sherman = stiff.
we did look slow.
darthfalcon
19 May 2007, 18:11
Very slow, and always seemed a metre behind the contest...
Hats off to the Bombers, they looked fast - Davey is a greyhound, I think he ended up tackling our entire squad!
campbell
19 May 2007, 18:13
Very slow, and always seemed a metre behind the contest...
Hats off to the Bombers, they looked fast - Davey is a greyhound, I think he ended up tackling our entire squad!
I know, how good is he. I would love him in a Lions jumper.
lion_gooner
19 May 2007, 18:23
does anyone know exactly how many free kicks that essendon got resulted in goals for them?????
Thank you Troy Selwood for providing at least a little ray of sunshine on what was otherwise a very, very rainy day.
:( :( :(
He had a great game , a credit to him after what he has been through.
Jed tried hard all day too, is having a great year.
does anyone know exactly how many free kicks that essendon got resulted in goals for them?????
Only listened myself but i'm not sure it is the biggest of the Lion's concerns at the moment. Being flogged in the contests and having a laughable, Richmond-like forward setup seemed to contribute much more to the result today.
Grimreepah
19 May 2007, 18:28
Lets not turn this into another umpire bashing session:thumbsd:
darthfalcon
19 May 2007, 18:30
does anyone know exactly how many free kicks that essendon got resulted in goals for them?????
Not as many as from turn overs from a skill devoid lions outfit.
Speaking of outfits, how bad is that jumper? ;)
campbell
19 May 2007, 18:30
Only listened myself but i'm not sure it is the biggest of the Lion's concerns at the moment. Being flogged in the contests and having a laughable, Richmond-like forward setup seemed to contribute much more to the result today.
Yeah.No hardness in the contests today.we looked soft....oh that word...
The Flying Belgian
19 May 2007, 18:32
Yeah.No hardness in the contests today.we looked soft....oh that word...
Agree.
Soft.
Unskilled.
Young.
Lions_Master
19 May 2007, 18:33
Not as many as from turn overs from a skill devoid lions outfit.
Speaking of outfits, how bad is that jumper? ;)
Ah that's why lost this week! The players and coach spent all their time reading complains about the jumper and didn't train :) Better to be flogged in the white jumper then the maroon, blue, gold jumper.
campbell
19 May 2007, 18:33
Agree.
Soft.
Unskilled.
Young.
Happening early this season....
Lions_Master
19 May 2007, 18:34
Yeah.No hardness in the contests today.we looked soft....oh that word...
We were soft in the match. Too much of the gap between young players and the old players. But we are bridging it.
The Flying Belgian
19 May 2007, 18:35
Happening early this season....
What is? Being soft and unskilled?
Lions_Master
19 May 2007, 18:41
What is? Being soft and unskilled?
The opposite of being hard and skilled.
Sherminator.
19 May 2007, 19:02
Could Clark, Charman and Leuenberger share the rucking and full forward duties next week.
They would be seriously dangerous
No, just no, to many talls, and you're hyping up Berger before he has even played an AFL match, chances are he'd have minimal impact in his first game.
I think McDonald/Charman combo will stay as such. When I am less angry I will add some more constructive ('Sif) comments. :thumbsd:
bomberstomake8
19 May 2007, 19:33
Perhaps the worst thing is that Bomber's supporters will be bragging all week about how Mal destroyed Brown.:p
i would be extremely suprised if you hird that even once... if any essendon supporter says that i will join in and bag them with you.... however i do think mal was slightly better then brown today.... beat him body on body 90% of the time. was beaten a few times on the lead but mal has a great kick and showed that with every kick he had today... im happy with how he went. everyone knows he was getting double and triple teamed throughout the game, that was good coaching by sheedy.
The Flying Belgian
19 May 2007, 19:36
The opposite of being hard and skilled.
Were you trying for a joke there? :confused:
Homer Jnr
19 May 2007, 19:36
Jed, Selwood and Drummo were the pleasing aspects of today for me, and to a lesser extent, Blacky and Hads.
Not a great deal went right, whether it was the bounce of the ball on occasions (one such time in the 3rd, the ball just skipped away from Harding when he had a man outside a throng of Bombers) 50/50 calls from the umps or whatever. Bad day at the office, mixed with a fairly ordinary performance in the second half.
Desperately needed changes to be made and Fletcher and co to be made accountable. It killed Browny early and really ruined the game, and then by the time we realised they had opened a little in the second half, they had jumped us.
Now that we know Plan A has a hole in it, lets hope Leigh digs into the filing cabinet and Plan B has some merit to it.
I am sure that our inability to counter a flooding team is apparent to the coaching staff and a remedy is on its way, it will be interesting to see what we do when hit with it next.
i would be extremely suprised if you hird that even once... if any essendon supporter says that i will join in and bag them with you.... however i do think mal was slightly better then brown today.... beat him body on body 90% of the time. was beaten a few times on the lead but mal has a great kick and showed that with every kick he had today... im happy with how he went. everyone knows he was getting double and triple teamed throughout the game, that was good coaching by sheedy.
Trust me, purely tongue in cheek mate and i'll wait till I see the game till I make a judgement on the contest. But otherwise your spot on, Brown been double/triple teamed all year, and E'don even had 4 running back to the contest at times (if the radio commentary is to be believed). Point is that it is working and Brisbane need to do something about it.
Kochie 16
19 May 2007, 19:39
i would be extremely suprised if you hird that even once... if any essendon supporter says that i will join in and bag them with you.... however i do think mal was slightly better then brown today.... beat him body on body 90% of the time. was beaten a few times on the lead but mal has a great kick and showed that with every kick he had today... im happy with how he went. everyone knows he was getting double and triple teamed throughout the game, that was good coaching by sheedy.
If i remember correctly brown was DOUBLED TEAMED by MAL & FLECHTER(can't spell sorry). and the times when mal was on brown resulted in brown taking a mark or getting a dissposal. If it weren't for the double teaming browny would have got 4-5 goals, Should of anyway.
i would be extremely suprised if you hird that even once...
Nice subtle point made there too bombers;).
Beeches
19 May 2007, 19:41
does anyone know exactly how many free kicks that essendon got resulted in goals for them?????
Essendon did not win the game as a result of any free kicks..... did you watch the game, we were just too damn good for you guys today!
Essendon did not win the game as a result of any free kicks..... did you watch the game, we were just too damn good for you guys today!
Don't come on and just respond to the rubbish mate. Why not respond to some of the other posts and give us your thoughts on the game today? And tell us why Brisbane weren't good enough?
Lions_Master
19 May 2007, 19:58
Essendon did not win the game as a result of any free kicks..... did you watch the game, we were just too damn good for you guys today!
I think part of the loss was that we let the bombers play good.
bomberstomake8
19 May 2007, 20:00
If i remember correctly brown was DOUBLED TEAMED by MAL & FLECHTER(can't spell sorry). and the times when mal was on brown resulted in brown taking a mark or getting a dissposal. If it weren't for the double teaming browny would have got 4-5 goals, Should of anyway.
yeah no doubt... brown is the best forward in the comp.... no doubt about it. the fact is your forward line is brown, any coach who doesnt double, or triple team him when ever they can isnt doing their job properly
bomberstomake8
19 May 2007, 20:01
Nice subtle point made there too bombers;).
haha i was wondering if anyone would realise it :D:D :D
Lions_Master
19 May 2007, 20:02
haha i was wondering if anyone would realise it :D:D :D
I hird you right too :)
maroon and blue
19 May 2007, 20:10
Went to the game, 5 minutes in we were in deep trouble. A non existent forward line. Totally out coached.
campbell
19 May 2007, 20:13
Went to the game, 5 minutes in we were in deep trouble. A non existent forward line. Totally out coached.
So having seen the game live, any suggestions.
We was out coached last week as wall. Hope we get it right next week, would hate to lose then, it would be so so bad.
black_hart
19 May 2007, 20:13
Essendon were just desperate to win today for sheedy. A case of an average team (though getting better) playing way above themselves in times of adversity. Lions should have been expecting this instead of thinking they could beat the bombers on talent alone.
maroon and blue
19 May 2007, 20:18
As stated by others having Brown as a focus against 2 to 3 opposition players is ridiculous. The ball was swept away on numerous occasions and even the mid field couldn't cope. As for a forward line setup I'll leave that to the coach. All I hope is we have one next week.
Lions_Master
19 May 2007, 20:20
So having seen the game live, any suggestions.
We was out coached last week as wall. Hope we get it right next week, would hate to lose then, it would be so so bad.
Losing to Collingwood would be a new low.
don vito of fitzroy
19 May 2007, 20:22
Pathetic is the word that summed up our performance. The team was all over the place. When there was a need for defenders, most of the defence was in the midfield and when we need forwards, there still aren't enough players in the forward 50.
There is so much space in the forward 50 and nobody has the intelligence to make those runs into space. Nobody was able to combine properly with their teammates. We can't really on Brown to kick our score. You have to take risks. Most of the risks taken are just dumb mistakes. Players are handballing to each other when they are only five metres away from each other. These youngsters need to bomb the ball long and run into space. It's not so hard but after this afternoon's match, kicking long and running into space sounds like rocket science to these boys.
Merrett had his worst game at FB, Brennan was invisible for a majority of the time, Roe was ridiculous and Rischitelli had a minimal impact. Jed, Begley, Lappin and Harding to an extent were OK. Selwood, Hadley, Power and Black had good games but the rest, especially Merrett, Brennan and Roe should hang their heads down in shame.
We face the Pies next week and it's usually quite fun facing the Colliwobbles but this time, Malthouse and co look like the better unit. Hopefully the Lions can spring some magic out of nowhere.
maroon and blue
19 May 2007, 20:32
Your outline Din Vito was spot on. But the total anarchy, devoid of team structure must be the responsibility of the coaching staff. Seems we don't even have a Plan A.
don vito of fitzroy
19 May 2007, 20:39
Exactly. We need a Plan A but it didn't exist against the Dons.
Losing to Collingwood would be a new low.
Not so much...C'wood IMO are quite a bit better than the Bombers.
But I agree, losing to the Dons and then C'wood the next week could be considered somewhat worse than death.
konstas_87
20 May 2007, 02:57
i thought allan got a bit of it but showed lack of class in disposal as usual, doesnt matter how much of it he gets he'll never be an AFL player im afraid.
campbell
20 May 2007, 09:25
Not so much...C'wood IMO are quite a bit better than the Bombers.
But I agree, losing to the Dons and then C'wood the next week could be considered somewhat worse than death.
lolo snuka, like having your fingernails removed.Possibly the worst thing for a Lions supporter.
maroon and blue
20 May 2007, 11:34
I'd be happy if we turned up with a forward line.
notting18
20 May 2007, 12:05
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Merrett had his worst game at FB, Brennan was invisible for a majority of the time, Roe was ridiculous and Rischitelli had a minimal impact... but the rest, especially Merrett, Brennan and Roe should hang their heads down in shame.
I have to dispute you on Merrett he was doing almost everything he could with the extra run/numbers that essendon would have in the forward 50. He won most of the marking contests against Lloyd!
maroon and blue
20 May 2007, 12:29
I also thought Merrett held his own. Apart from that Don Vito's synopsis was spot on.
danielcanberra
20 May 2007, 13:10
Well, I had no idea that so many of our players could turn invisible, or perhaps I just couldn't see them.
I had no idea where many of our players were kicking to, apart from whoever had just turned invisible.
Our forward line must have been invisible too, apart from Browny.
The thing is, the Essendon game plan was just so obvious. Depending on which Bombers player had the ball, it was so predictable what they were going to do. I know how the Bombers boys play - and I don't do these big analyses that some in our club do for a living.
C'mon boys, I never want to see another game with Tim the Toolman when he goes livid.
maroon and blue
20 May 2007, 13:24
Ah, that was the bright purple light I saw from the third tier. Thought it was substation short circuiting.
joshhem
20 May 2007, 13:54
Jed, Selwood and Drummo were the pleasing aspects of today for me, and to a lesser extent, Blacky and Hads.
Homer,
I agree with this, but at the same time it concerns me a little. The last 2 weeks these guys (obviously not bunnings or joshy - but you know what I mean) have been in our best players list and most of which have a key role in our midfield. Even though they have been some of our best, I would comfortably say that our midfield has been beaten against both Adelaide's and Essendons. We have been simply out run and not as clean with our disposals.
You would hope that if your best group of players were mostly from your midfield that you would be on top of that area in the game. It concerns me that we weren't.
BigCat2
20 May 2007, 14:04
It seems that our players are focussed on playing the 'running' game, that they forget to win their own ball.
lionbear
20 May 2007, 14:27
Brisbane's 3rd Quarter was a shocker to say the least. The problem I saw was we are one or 2 key posiition players short.
We where up against Lloyd, Hord, Lucas, Fletcher & Michael today. We have Brown, Merrett and Roe. When it was clear that Brown and Merrett wern't having their best day sadly having no other talls (Bar Charman) there was no plan B we could really bring into play against their key position players and from that point on we where smashed.
I think when we do go up against sides like Essendon we are going to sruggle until we have 1 or 2 extra key position players come along. I guess it is all about the development and we still have some work to do.
BigCat2
20 May 2007, 14:36
It seems we have quite a few tall flankers but less KPPs. Brennan, Patfull etc aren't exactly gorillas.
Sydney gets away with it however - apart from their ruckmen, Hall and Goodes, their next tallest players in O'Loughlin and Craig Bolton are (I think) 190cm or below. The lack of monsters doesn't seem to affect them as much, but I think it's because their gamestyle allows for that kind of personnel.
Sitting directly behind the goals it was frustrating. Essendon would clear it out of their backline with our own backline either in the centre or the opposite wing and almost every time they brought the ball down with no opponent. Brown is our obvious target up forward but on very few occasions were there anyone crumbing (mcgrath)? How we couldnt have numbers at Brown's feet when the ball was clearly going to come to ground astounded me.
Kaiser Powser
21 May 2007, 15:11
Perhaps the worst thing is that Bomber's supporters will be bragging all week about how Mal destroyed Brown.:p
Hardly.
Double teamed whenever he was inside 50. He would have been okay if he kicked straight, (two posters?)
Mal did ok when in a puch/shove contest, but Essendon where so very Brown conscious after the demolision jobs he's done on us in the past.
Kochie 16
21 May 2007, 17:47
Hardly.
Double teamed whenever he was inside 50. He would have been okay if he kicked straight, (two posters?)
Mal did ok when in a puch/shove contest, but Essendon where so very Brown conscious after the demolision jobs he's done on us in the past.
About time some of the Bomber supporters relise that Mal on his own did not keep browny quite. He still got 19 disposal at FF.