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A common trend in a variety of threads I've noticed is a love of Jay Nash. Whilst I hold nothing against Jay an think he's certainly got something to offer, I feel his contribution is being somehwat overrated.
This is Jay's fourth year on the list and he's put together just 9 games. I understand he's had injuries but it's not as though he was pushing his name all that hard on the selection table. On top of this, his career-high disposals is just a modest 21, it's not as though he's taken games apart.
I find it a bit rough that people are calling for Dyson's head whilst treating Nash as a future star. Ricky Dyson, in the same amount of time on the list, has amounted 43 games and put in some excellent performances, notably the St. Kilda, Carlton and Brisbane games last year.
I repeat, I hold nothing against Nash, but why is it that he's rated so highly when he's done very little in 4 years on the list?
kelvin_sheedy
21 May 2007, 23:53
Good point.
I think people get attached to certain players at a club and cut them a bit more slack than others.
The thing with Nash is that he had a pretty consistent run last year were he strung a few good games at AFL level to suggest he could be a good player.
Time will tell though but the signs are that he is coming good where as Dyson has not improved at all.
donsman4eva
22 May 2007, 00:43
Dyson has clearly improved. Watching him in his last year of school footy, he has ocme on in leaps and bounds. You are one of the people GoDons was refering to Kelvin. You do nothing but call for Dyson's head. Now I know I will never say he should be axed at the end of the year, but does he seriously deserve to get axed ahead of Nash?
Houli Class1
22 May 2007, 07:07
Ricky Dyson's best attribute is kicking and Jay Nash can match that and go even better.
Nash got BOG for Bendigo, just coming back from injury.
Nash adds that run and skill across half back.
Nash in his first couple of games, he played on Buckley and I think Voss.
He did alright.
That's My point
Lance Uppercut
22 May 2007, 08:20
A common trend in a variety of threads I've noticed is a love of Jay Nash. Whilst I hold nothing against Jay an think he's certainly got something to offer, I feel his contribution is being somehwat overrated.
This is Jay's fourth year on the list and he's put together just 9 games. I understand he's had injuries but it's not as though he was pushing his name all that hard on the selection table. On top of this, his career-high disposals is just a modest 21, it's not as though he's taken games apart.
I find it a bit rough that people are calling for Dyson's head whilst treating Nash as a future star. Ricky Dyson, in the same amount of time on the list, has amounted 43 games and put in some excellent performances, notably the St. Kilda, Carlton and Brisbane games last year.
I repeat, I hold nothing against Nash, but why is it that he's rated so highly when he's done very little in 4 years on the list?
It's Essendon folk-lore how long O'Donnell spent in the two's before breaking through. It's a very good way for a player to learn to play, and shouldn't really be used as an indicator in that way
Bombs Away
22 May 2007, 12:13
Nash was ercruited as a bottom age player and not expected to play his first season, has had injuries since and is expected to start turning it on especially after the break. Give him 3-4 weeks before you pass judgement, he is a good runner of the ball and disposal is awesome. In one of his first games tagged buckley and didn't do too bad. :thumbsu:
From EFC Website:
Hislop and Nash in selection mix
Monday, 21 May 2007
Despite a resounding victory over Brisbane last weekend, the Essendon selectors may still spring a couple of surprises for this week’s Dreamtime at the G match against Richmond. Youngster Tom Hislop impressed with an excellent game off half back for Bendigo while Jay Nash produced an outstanding half of football coming off an extended period on the sidelines with a foot injury.
Nash collected 25 possessions in a half of football playing in the midfield. It was an excellent return given he had not been able to get on the park this season because of a troublesome tendon injury in his foot.
"He was the biggest positive out of the weekend – there is no doubt about that. He played very well and won a lot of the football. He got tired but that was to be expected given the limited preparation," Essendon assistant coach Gary O’Donnell said.
"He really surprised us with what he did and his use of the ball was exceptional. He is a very penetrating kick and that makes him a very effective midfielder. I don’t think he is quite ready yet but it was an excellent first up effort."
Hislop played for the Bombers against the Indigenous All Stars during the pre-season and he looked very much at home. A midfielder by trade, Hislop’s attack on the football has impressed all at the Club and his opportunity at senior level could be just around the corner.
Darealrath
22 May 2007, 13:12
He's one of those players that you want to have the footy. Composed and great skills. If he gets a decent run in the seniors I'm very confident he'll do well.
Great to have some selection pressure. Quite a few I'd like to see in the seniors but no one I really want to drop.
Why do i rate him. Well i didnt really rate his first couple of years in the VFL. I thought he was wasting his tallent a bit by the fact he never seemed to be able to really take a game on. He just seemed to be the bloke who did what he had to do without being bad but not very good either.
That changed a bit for me last year when he started to play more midfield and his skills where put to good use. His round 15 to 18 games in the seniors last year where very good and it was injury that stopped his good run. He is also extremly skillfull on both sides of his body and kicks it as well on his right side despite him being a natural left footer.
kelvin_sheedy
22 May 2007, 13:56
Dyson has clearly improved. Watching him in his last year of school footy, he has ocme on in leaps and bounds. You are one of the people GoDons was refering to Kelvin. You do nothing but call for Dyson's head. Now I know I will never say he should be axed at the end of the year, but does he seriously deserve to get axed ahead of Nash?
So 5/5 poor games in 2007 is an improvement from Dyson?
Yes. He has shown consistency and improvement which Dyson has not.
So 5/5 poor games in 2007 is an improvement from Dyson?
Yes. He has shown consistency and improvement which Dyson has not.
I thought Dyson did very well saturday?
bomberstomake8
22 May 2007, 14:22
I thought Dyson did very well saturday?
i thought that to, its the first game i thought he was alright, we cant drop him and campo played well (even sheedy said that) so he wont be dropped, therefore nash wont be coming in
kelvin_sheedy
22 May 2007, 15:13
I thought Dyson did very well saturday?
So.... 8 possession till 3/4 time when the game was there to be won constitutes a good game :confused:. He had no effect on the result whatsoever.
Can you name me someone he was better than?
Boris_Bewick
22 May 2007, 15:44
. In one of his first games tagged buckley and didn't do too bad. :thumbsu:
Your the 2nd person to say that.
Buckley had 29 possesions 12 marks, kicked 5 goals 2, and polled 3 Brownlow votes.
Nash had 11 touches, and from memory of the game didn't do enough to keep his spot.
I'm excited about Nash coming back as much as anyone, and I think he will be a good player, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here.
Boris_Bewick
22 May 2007, 15:47
So.... 8 possession till 3/4 time when the game was there to be won constitutes a good game :confused:. He had no effect on the result whatsoever.
Can you name me someone he was better than?
Lucas
Cole
Peverill
Slattery (arguably)
Houli (great 2nd game, but his 2 goals were gifts.)
Not even saying those 5 were bad, but it was a good team performance where everyone contributed. We know your of love Dyson, but you can't say he was bad against the Lions. It's very tough to drop anyone this week
Lucas
Cole
Peverill
Slattery (arguably)
Houli (great 2nd game, but his 2 goals were gifts.)
Can't agree with any of them bar maybe Lucas, he had an off night but of course won't be dropped
Cole split packs, used the ball well, even his 2 "clangers" which everyone said he had weren't that bad as he kicked to a contest when he had nothing else on.
Peverill was decent in the middle, had Simon Black to deal with and got more of the ball, went off injured
Slattery also had a tagging job and didn't dissapoint, got the ball as much as Dyson and used it just as well, can also be used down back
Houli's goals were gifts but he showed he could time his runs well, he is still raw but gave more to the side than Ricky
In: Hislop
Out: Dyson
:thumbsu:
Boris_Bewick
22 May 2007, 17:07
Can't agree with any of them bar maybe Lucas, he had an off night but of course won't be dropped
Cole split packs, used the ball well, even his 2 "clangers" which everyone said he had weren't that bad as he kicked to a contest when he had nothing else on.
Peverill was decent in the middle, had Simon Black to deal with and got more of the ball, went off injured
Slattery also had a tagging job and didn't dissapoint, got the ball as much as Dyson and used it just as well, can also be used down back
Houli's goals were gifts but he showed he could time his runs well, he is still raw but gave more to the side than Ricky
In: Hislop
Out: Dyson
:thumbsu:
First of all, I don't think any of the 5 I mentioned should get dropped over Dyson. That wasn't what I was implying
Pev was decent, but after that knock was pretty quiet for the rest of the game. Thought Dyson was better.
Slattery, as I said is arguable. Tagging job was good, tackled really well, didn't get as much of the footy though. Dyson did some very good things. Both weren't massive influences, but I would say their games ranked about even. 5.5/6 out of 10
Cole ran through the lines well, particularly once in the 2nd quarter. Those two kicks were quite ordinary, but when he got the ball and ran it was exciting and noticable. I still think Dyson did more good things in this particular match.
Houli did show at times he could run and he shouldn't be dropped, but Dyson to me, gave more to the side in this game than Houli.
These four (mainly the last three, as they aren't "regulars") all showed signs and seem capable of producing better football than what Dyson played on Saturday, I wouldn't drop any of them. But in my opinion, Dyson had more impact on the day.
As I said, great team effort, I don't think anyone deserves to be dropped.
kelvin_sheedy
22 May 2007, 17:29
Lucas
Cole
Peverill
Slattery (arguably)
Houli (great 2nd game, but his 2 goals were gifts.)
Not even saying those 5 were bad, but it was a good team performance where everyone contributed. We know your of love Dyson, but you can't say he was bad against the Lions. It's very tough to drop anyone this week
Hmm. I think all those had more of an impact in the game than Dyson.
It's easy to say he was bad because he had zero influence when the game was there to be won.
What part did I miss where he did something?
We have some high quality draft picks that need exposure and game time and therefore the weakest link in the seniors must make way.
Nash was ercruited as a bottom age player and not expected to play his first season, has had injuries since and is expected to start turning it on especially after the break. Give him 3-4 weeks before you pass judgement, he is a good runner of the ball and disposal is awesome. In one of his first games tagged buckley and didn't do too bad. :thumbsu:
I wasn't passing judgement as I did say I think Nash has something to offer, I just feel that people have got a bit ahead of themselves. He's still got a fair bit to prove in my opinion and I certainly hope he can do that in 3-4 weeks as you say.
Why do i rate him. Well i didnt really rate his first couple of years in the VFL. I thought he was wasting his tallent a bit by the fact he never seemed to be able to really take a game on. He just seemed to be the bloke who did what he had to do without being bad but not very good either.
That changed a bit for me last year when he started to play more midfield and his skills where put to good use. His round 15 to 18 games in the seniors last year where very good and it was injury that stopped his good run. He is also extremly skillfull on both sides of his body and kicks it as well on his right side despite him being a natural left footer.
I see things similiarly, that being that he was no more than solid in first 2 years at VFL level and last year looked like he could be something. However, it certainly can't be said that he is something yet. That's where I believe people have got ahead of themselves. If Nash can sustain his VFL form from last week for the next 3 to 4, great, bring him into the side, but he's got to prove a fair bit for Bendigo beforehand.
eastaugh36
22 May 2007, 18:28
Has Dyson ever dominated at Bendigo, let alone off such a limited preparation as Nash on the weekend? No. Enough said about the comparisons. Dyson needs to learn to assert himself a bit more on a game.
donsman4eva
22 May 2007, 18:36
Has Dyson ever dominated at Bendigo, let alone off such a limited preparation as Nash on the weekend? No. Enough said about the comparisons. Dyson needs to learn to assert himself a bit more on a game.
And Sheeds needs to learn to put Dyson on the ground so he can assert himself. He had at least 3 scoring assists, plus a score himself. Just because you may not notcie him, it doesnt mean he doest assert himself. You never notice Steven Baker, but he is one of the most effective stopping players in the league.
And Sheeds needs to learn to put Dyson on the ground so he can assert himself. He had at least 3 scoring assists, plus a score himself. Just because you may not notcie him, it doesnt mean he doest assert himself. You never notice Steven Baker, but he is one of the most effective stopping players in the league.
Cant you leave the Dyson argument to the Dyson threads?
Has Dyson ever dominated at Bendigo, let alone off such a limited preparation as Nash on the weekend? No. Enough said about the comparisons. Dyson needs to learn to assert himself a bit more on a game.
I thought Dyson's 36 touches earlier in the season was a pretty good effort.
However, I agree with Ant, this is about Jay Nash, not Ricky Dyson. Back on topic.
donsman4eva
22 May 2007, 18:45
Well just for the record, it was Kelvin who once again had to air his frustration in this thread. I just replied to him. But anyway, I'll leave it at that.
jnash196
22 May 2007, 18:46
I am obviously very fond of Jay.
He is a player who provides good run and disposal off half-back which is what we are lacking in comparison to other clubs. He is like a Gram, Kennely or Heath Shaw. With NLM out Jay is probably our best example of this type of player.
Jay's disposal doesn't let him down as much as Dyson's does.
Well just for the record, it was Kelvin who once again had to air his frustration in this thread. I just replied to him. But anyway, I'll leave it at that.
So, are you in love with him ? :D
donsman4eva
22 May 2007, 18:48
LOL, again bringing up Dyson. FFS, the kid cant do anything right in some peoples mind.
donsman4eva
22 May 2007, 18:49
So, are you in love with him ? :D
Maybe so, but you will never find out ;)
Nah, like i said I went to school with him so I'm always going to stick up for him, just as I do with others that went to my school.
LOL, again bringing up Dyson. FFS, the kid cant do anything right in some peoples mind.
It wasnt a simple comparison , im not sure why you are going off again. What we cant compare Dyson to anyone without the local "Dyson police " jumping out and beating us with a baton ?
donsman4eva
22 May 2007, 18:55
It wasnt a simple comparison , im not sure why you are going off again. What we cant compare Dyson to anyone without the local "Dyson police " jumping out and beating us with a baton ?
I'm just sick of the negative shit that people say about Dyson. He isnt that bad. He is just becoming our new whipping boy, and everyone is compared to him. I cant even imagine how bad it will get when Bolton is gone.
I'm just sick of the negative shit that people say about Dyson. He isnt that bad. He is just becoming our new whipping boy, and everyone is compared to him. I cant even imagine how bad it will get when Bolton is gone.
Well chances are Rick will be gone as well so it wont be too bad at all.;) People will say negative stuff about Dyson but in all honesty what was negative about saying Nash uses the ball better than Dyson ? It is pretty much a fact. Nash is pretty close to the most skilled player on both sides of his body that we have at the club.
So 5/5 poor games in 2007 is an improvement from Dyson?
Yes. He has shown consistency and improvement which Dyson has not.
Nash has show consistency and improvement in 0/0 games this year.
donsman4eva
22 May 2007, 19:57
Well chances are Rick will be gone as well so it wont be too bad at all.;) People will say negative stuff about Dyson but in all honesty what was negative about saying Nash uses the ball better than Dyson ? It is pretty much a fact. Nash is pretty close to the most skilled player on both sides of his body that we have at the club.
OK, i probably over stepped on that one, but I was already fired up :D
jnash196
22 May 2007, 20:25
Donsman 4eva AKA Ricky Dyson
The fact is Dyson isn't great...not our worst but probably wastes it more than Jay NAsh.
Ricky: Don't let people wh no lives on football forums get you down. At least you are in the team
donsman4eva
22 May 2007, 20:38
Never claimed Dyson was great, just said he is better that people make out.
jnash196
22 May 2007, 20:45
Never claimed Dyson was great, just said he is better that people make out.
Certainly he has become a bit of a scapegoat but not all of the criticism is undeserved. He is probably in the worst 3 of our 22 from the Brissy game.
Nash is also 1000 times better:D
donsman4eva
22 May 2007, 20:55
Obviously there is no point arguing that with you either. But all im going to say is that no matter what gets said here, I will still think Dyson is good enough to crack it at this level.
Obviously there is no point arguing that with you either. But all im going to say is that no matter what gets said here, I will still think Dyson is good enough to crack it at this level.
He is good enough mate but he is pissing that talent away at the minute.
jnash196
22 May 2007, 21:46
Obviously there is no point arguing that with you either. But all im going to say is that no matter what gets said here, I will still think Dyson is good enough to crack it at this level.
Anyone who went through the system and got drafted is good enough and Ricky played well this week and proved me a bit wrong. But I'd love to see Nashy in the team and that would probably mean at the expense of Dyson
BomberDog
22 May 2007, 22:20
He is a player who provides good run and disposal off half-back which is what we are lacking in comparison to other clubs. He is like a Gram, Kennely or Heath Shaw. With NLM out Jay is probably our best example of this type of player.
Bingo - I think the Nash fan said it best with these comments.
Nash won't be in for a couple of weeks. He played a limited game of 80 mins on the weekend, and is just starting the journey back to full fitness.
Does Nash compare to a Wellman, or is he waaay shorter? I think they even look similar...
Longy413
22 May 2007, 22:41
Does Nash compare to a Wellman, or is he waaay shorter? I think they even look similar...
Not the worst comparison.
They actually look similar when they run/ran with the footy. Both very upright.
Wellman probably had the better defensive skills, Nash the better attacking skills (pace, skills).
eastaugh36
23 May 2007, 09:36
Yeah, us south aussies sure have been value to the club over the years! :)