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jbomb3000

30 May 2007, 15:06

Alphanumeric

30 May 2007, 15:08

Would have to say Richmond.

Cynic

30 May 2007, 15:59

delirious1

30 May 2007, 16:02

hawthorn since we didnt pick up patterson

jbomb3000

30 May 2007, 16:24

I'll go Hawks but I haven't seen McGuane or Limback yet to the best of my knowledge... I think he's already been de listed

Drummond

30 May 2007, 16:56

Hawthorn by a fair margin.

rumblah

30 May 2007, 17:21

So which group of players would you have rather your club drafted. Don't just look at the top 2 take the whole list into account

HAWTHORN
Jarred Roughead
Lance Franklin
Jordan Lewis
Thomas Murphy
Matt Little
Simon Taylor

OR

RICHMOND
Brett Delediuo
Richard Tambling
Danny Meyer
Adam Patterson
Dean Polo
Luke McGuane
Dean Limback
Mark Graham

Roughead - Deledio
Franklin - Tambling
Lewis - Meyer
Murphy - Patterson (not yet sure on either
Little - Polo
Taylor - McGuane

3 - 2 by my count

benny_furs

30 May 2007, 17:49

Richmond also got Nathan Foley and Will Thursfield in that rookie draft.

So the revised list is:

A-Grade candidates:
Brett Deledio, Nathan Foley
B-Grade:
Richard Tambling, Adam Pattison, Dean Polo, Will Thursfield
C-Grade:
Danny Meyer, Luke McGuane
Gone: Graham, Limbach

Deledio - Just had his breakout game and tore it apart for the first time.
Foley - Leading centre clearances in the AFL, averaging 25 possies per game.
Tambling - Shown glimpses of brilliance (4 goal quarter against the Eagles/1st half against the Pies/half a game here and there)
Meyer - Excellent signs at Coburg, but did nothing when given his chance in the AFL. I'm scared, he is easily one of the best kicks in the comp but he can't get it!
Adam Pattison - had a brilliant game against Adelaide and an elite last quarter, and backed it up against the Bombers. Looks like he'll be a Troy Simmonds type in 3 years.
Dean Polo - showed that he can dominate AFL in his first game with 3 Brownlow votes, had a few 24+ possie games this year too and has great hardness.
McGuane - Will be a 3rd tall backman, he is a player. Looks like an Andrew Kellaway type I guess, had a goalpost fall on him too (I thought it was worth noting :D)
Will Thursfield - Kept Nick Riewoldt to just 3 possessions in 3.5 quarters of AFL football! Then he did his knee in the last quarter and Nick kicked a few goals and won the game :mad: Superstar FB in the making here. Also kept Matthew Lloyd to 3 possies for most of the game, but Lloydy kicked 2 goals in the first 5 minutes and a goal after the final siren.... but not bad coming off a knee reco ;)

So the way I look at it:

Lance Franklin vs Brett Deledio (even)
Jordan Lewis vs Nathan Foley (even)

Thomas Murphy vs Dean Polo (Richmond)
Simon Taylor vs Richard Tambling (Richmond)
Jarred Roughead vs Adam Pattison/Will Thursfield/Luke McGuane

Matt Little vs Danny Meyer (both done nothing)

I think Hawthorn got 2 excellent players in Lewis and Franklin. Roughead will be a handy 10+ year KPP, so he is good too. They got maybe 1-2 other guys who will be players.

Richmond got 2 excellent players in Deledio and Foley. Richard Tambling has done more than people realise, but atm is only a potential great player. Then Dean Polo and Adam Pattison will be between the 10-15th best players on our list for many years, not stars but very good. Plus Will Thursfield is an exciting prospect at FB. And McGuane has proved he will be a player. Limbach/Graham are already gone and Meyer is in trouble, but while both clubs have drafted extremely well I'd give Richmond the edge because of the sheer number of good players they found with a few stars on top.

jbomb3000

30 May 2007, 18:03

Richmond also got Nathan Foley and Will Thursfield in that rookie draft.

If you want to include the Rookie draft, Hawthorn got Clinton Young from that as well so the Revised list are now

HAWTHORN
Jarred Roughead
Lance Franklin
Jordan Lewis
Clinton Young
Thomas Murphy
Matt Little
Simon Taylor

RICHMOND
Brett Delediuo
Richard Tambling
Danny Meyer
Adam Patterson
Dean Polo
Luke McGuane
Dean Limback
Mark Graham
Nathan Foley
Will Thursfield

rumblah

30 May 2007, 20:02

my mistake.

No post.

The Royal Sampler

31 May 2007, 09:42

Hawthorn
A - Franklin, Lewis
B - Roughead, Taylor, Murphy
C - Little

Richmond
A - Deledio, Tambling
B - Patterson, Polo, Graham
C - Meyer, McGuane, Limback

I'll go Hawks but I haven't seen McGuane or Limback yet to the best of my knowledge...
You're rating Tambling an A? :rolleyes:

Even so, Richmond might have just shaded the Hawks there with Foley included... tough call though, because I'd rather have Franklin and Lewis than Deledio and anyone else from Richmond's '04 Draft. Dean Polo should be a good player.

benny_furs

31 May 2007, 10:41

You're rating Tambling an A? :rolleyes:

Even so, Richmond might have just shaded the Hawks there with Foley included... tough call though, because I'd rather have Franklin and Lewis than Deledio and anyone else from Richmond's '04 Draft. Dean Polo should be a good player.

You didn't see Tambling tear you team apart in the first half against you guys? ;) Well it was a Hawk supporter who said it anyway..

I'd pretty much agree with your other comments, Hawthorn seem to have picked the best combination of players and Richmond probably picked more good players but unless Tambling becomes a star then it's 2 stars vs 1 star.

So, Hawks: 2 stars (Buddy/Lewis), 1 promising KPP (Roughy), 3 good players (Murphy/Young/Taylor) - Young could be classed as very good.

Tiges: 1 star (Lids), 1 promising midfield star (Bling), 1 very good midfielder (Foley), 3 good players (Polo/Patto/McGuane) Polo could be classed as very good, 1 promising KPP (Thursty), 1 talented but disappointing pick 12 (Meyer ;))

I'm sick of the constant comparisons so I'm stopping now, also we are doing a lot of guesswork and don't really know how good they'll be.

Roughead could very well become a star CHF for 6 years. Meyer could play the actor for Nathan Brown in the movie. Too hard to guess, but you've got to love the competitiveness between Tiger/Hawk supporters. :thumbsu:

jbomb3000

31 May 2007, 12:45

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HBK619

31 May 2007, 12:58

So, Hawks: 2 stars (Buddy/Lewis), 1 promising KPP (Roughy), 3 good players (Murphy/Young/Taylor) - Young could be classed as very good.
Once again you keep including the players you got from the rookie draft and ignoring Clinton Young who Hawthorn took in the rookie draft. If your going to keep trying to sidetrack my thread at least be fair about it.
Look again mate!

jbomb3000

31 May 2007, 13:43

Look again mate! My bad

The Royal Sampler

31 May 2007, 20:36

You didn't see Tambling tear you team apart in the first half against you guys? ;) Well it was a Hawk supporter who said it anyway..
Yeah, I saw it, but one half doesn't make a career. I'd give him a half against us, and a quarter against West Coast. That ain't enough.

benny_furs

31 May 2007, 23:09

My bad

No worries :thumbsu: Young seems to have come from nowhere. Did anybody else do well out of the rookie draft that year? It's a real credit to Richmond and Hawthorn to both find best 22 players in the rookie draft which shows that they aren't just spoon fed top picks all of the time ;)

tin can sam

1 Jun 2007, 00:53

No worries :thumbsu: Young seems to have come from nowhere. Did anybody else do well out of the rookie draft that year? It's a real credit to Richmond and Hawthorn to both find best 22 players in the rookie draft which shows that they aren't just spoon fed top picks all of the time ;)

Interstate clubs dominate the rookie draft.

We've pretty much done Sweet FA out of it, except for probably Grima in a few years.

jbomb3000

1 Jun 2007, 09:54

No worries :thumbsu: Young seems to have come from nowhere. Did anybody else do well out of the rookie draft that year? It's a real credit to Richmond and Hawthorn to both find best 22 players in the rookie draft which shows that they aren't just spoon fed top picks all of the time ;)The have been a few notable players to come from the rookie draft that year Danyle Pearce, Josh Gibbson, Dale Morris, Harry O'Brien and Johnathan Griffin.