Hawthorn v Saints - Off the field ....

[Hedgehodgy]

How good is waverly! Best facilities didn't cost the hawks much and provides a way for the club to create a niche in a market that was not directly targetted by other clubs. I have been there a couple of times and it is a great place to go. You have the hawks shop to buy merchandise and an awesome oval to watch the boys train on.

Now lets look at St Kilda. Had generated something like $10 million in funding to resurect their 'humble' facilities and provide some state of the art equipment for their team to get 100% out of themselves. Sounds perfect dont you think for a team that has only won 1 flag in 100 years.

However the saints dont want this because they arent allowed enough POKIES to rip of their members that come to the club. I think that this is absolutely disgraceful by the saints administration. A football club should be trying to win games and a premiership first and make money second.

I guess they like their football like the pokies. The odds are never in your favour but sometimes you might win like 1966

[Heropsychodreamer]

How good is waverly! Best facilities didn't cost the hawks much and provides a way for the club to create a niche in a market that was not directly targetted by other clubs. I have been there a couple of times and it is a great place to go. You have the hawks shop to buy merchandise and an awesome oval to watch the boys train on.

Now lets look at St Kilda. Had generated something like $10 million in funding to resurect their 'humble' facilities and provide some state of the art equipment for their team to get 100% out of themselves. Sounds perfect dont you think for a team that has only won 1 flag in 100 years.

However the saints dont want this because they arent allowed enough POKIES to rip of their members that come to the club. I think that this is absolutely disgraceful by the saints administration. A football club should be trying to win games and a premiership first and make money second.

I guess they like their football like the pokies. The odds are never in your favour but sometimes you might win like 1966

Serves them right for not fighting for Waverley in the first place

[HawkFan15]

Serves them right for not fighting for Waverley in the first place

Here, here

[frankc]

St Kilda has flown under the radar from relocation/merger potential due to their recent success. However, the St Kilda administration have been very short sighted in some decisions they have made.

The club generates revenue around 40% less than Hawthorn. This will likley increase to over 40% this year. This is despite the recent finals success St Kilda has had.

In other words, Hawthorn generates 40% more revenue despite having a poor on-field record over the past decade in comparison to St. Kilda.

People keep focussing on the Bulldogs and demons as potential relocation targets, however should St. Kilda slide down the ladder, they could be a contender to, particularly if the Bulldogs have a period of success.

Rod Buttress ponces around the place as if he is Eddie McGuire, however St. Kilda have not leveraged off their recent on field success to anything like the extent they should have. The only reason why St. kilda is in the black is due to drastic cost-cutting and while this is a good short-term solution, eventually it will come back to haunt them.

[hawker11]

People keep focussing on the Bulldogs and demons as potential relocation targets, however should St. Kilda slide down the ladder, they could be a contender to, particularly if the Bulldogs have a period of success.


Great post - and it will be great to see StKilda with its halo between its legs crawl back to Morrabin (it was always an empty threat) - but my question is how does the Bulldog's on-field success impact StKilda's fortunes?

[Blasé]

Serves them right for not fighting for Waverley in the first place
yep, serves them right!

because of them we had to close waverly. and then after we think laterally and play games in tasmania, they moved in on us. and then they change their minds, and opted out.

their onfield performances are starting to dry-up, due to their bottoming-out not giving them a premiership. and now let's just watch them struggle off-field when they're no longer an on-field contender.

[frankc]

Great post - and it will be great to see StKilda with its halo between its legs crawl back to Morrabin (it was always an empty threat) - but my question is how does the Bulldog's on-field success impact StKilda's fortunes?

At present, if we ignore the Kangaroos who seemed destined for the Gold Coast, two clubs are mooted as possible relocation targets to western Sydney: the demons and bulldogs.

If the Bulldogs have a period of success, and possibly secure a premiership in the next few years, their case to remain in Victoria is strengthened. At the same time, if St. Kilda slide down the ladder, they may find themselves under increasing pressure given their lack of cash flow and financial resources.

At the end of the day, relocation is a matter of timing. If the Bulldogs are up and St. Kilda are down, the pressure will fall back on the saints whose support is very cyclical. It should also be remembered that the saints board have down little to insulate the club against the inevitable variation in member numbers.

[Hedgehodgy]

I agree with the saints being below us in the financially secure ranks. I think that they would be relocated before after kangaroos and bulldogs.

Winning 10 games in a row like they did at the start of 2004 has never benefitted a team so much. How many friday night games have they had in the last few years? I think the saints bangwagon is beginning to slow as they slide down the ladder.

But on another note. Melbourne. I must admit i have a soft spot for melbourne but that aside, i can never see them relocating anywhere. Why? Yes they have a fairly low membership, but they still have a large following many of their older followers are MCC members, this creates a problem for them. They are one of the oldest sporting clubs in the WORLD. They are the oldest in AFL and the oldest in Australia. I don't believe the AFL would want to throw tradition like that.

[HawkFan15]

I agree with the saints being below us in the financially secure ranks. I think that they would be relocated before after kangaroos and bulldogs.

Winning 10 games in a row like they did at the start of 2004 has never benefitted a team so much. How many friday night games have they had in the last few years? I think the saints bangwagon is beginning to slow as they slide down the ladder.

But on another note. Melbourne. I must admit i have a soft spot for melbourne but that aside, i can never see them relocating anywhere. Why? Yes they have a fairly low membership, but they still have a large following many of their older followers are MCC members, this creates a problem for them. They are one of the oldest sporting clubs in the WORLD. They are the oldest in AFL and the oldest in Australia. I don't believe the AFL would want to throw tradition like that.

Also I think a thing that saves the dees, is the fact that their name is actually MELBOURNE the heartland of AFL football, during 1996 the AFL wouldnt have stood for the Hawthorn Demons I guarantee it, the AFL brand would take a hit for so many reasons if the MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB relocated.

[hawker11]

Also I think a thing that saves the dees, is the fact that their name is actually MELBOURNE the heartland of AFL football, during 1996 the AFL wouldnt have stood for the Hawthorn Demons I guarantee it, the AFL brand would take a hit for so many reasons if the MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB relocated.

If I were a North Melbourne supporter - I would be pressuring the North Board to seek a merger with Melbourne before relocating to the Gold Coast.

From a North supporter perspective - the Melbourne Kangaroos would wear blue and white at away games, be based at a redeveloped Arden Street.

...or become the Gold Coast Kangaroos and eventually be lucky to see my club play live 7 times a year.

From a Melbourne support perspective - I still follow Melbourne who plays the majority of its home games at the MCG wearing its traditional blue and red guernsey.

From an AFL perspective - it would turn two battling clubs into one strong melbourne based club, and it would free up Southport, a local based product - to enter the AFL.

[medusala]

But on another note. Melbourne. I must admit i have a soft spot for melbourne but that aside, i can never see them relocating anywhere. Why? Yes they have a fairly low membership, but they still have a large following many of their older followers are MCC members, this creates a problem for them. They are one of the oldest sporting clubs in the WORLD. They are the oldest in AFL and the oldest in Australia. I don't believe the AFL would want to throw tradition like that.

Why not? Their own members were.