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charged22
4 Jun 2007, 11:57
i dont wanan sound like a whinger.. but Victorian refs seem to have something against the swannies? we give away the most free kicks in the comp, and the majority of them are rubbish. in the previous rounds, barry hall has been targeted, were robbed of the bombers game when mcveigh should have kicked that goal.
grimlock
4 Jun 2007, 11:59
They're Umpires or Maggots or that Dill with the Whistle but Not REFS!!!
natlovestheswans
4 Jun 2007, 11:59
They're Umpires or Maggots or that Dill with the Whistle but Not REFS!!!
'Dill with the whistle' is my personal favourite!
i dont wanan sound like a whinger.. but Victorian refs seem to have something against the swannies? we give away the most free kicks in the comp, and the majority of them are rubbish. in the previous rounds, barry hall has been targeted, were robbed of the bombers game when mcveigh should have kicked that goal.
I agree 100%. The Swans get pinged for things that other clubs wouldnt get pinged for. I actually think that the Swans are one of the more disciplined teams in the competition.
Skystyler
4 Jun 2007, 12:07
expect to be ridiculed by victorian bigots who for some reason find the term "refs" an insult.
I've been complaining about this aspect of the game for years. Its the only way to explain the skewed free kick counts every year. Some umpires seem to watch the swans players through a microscope while ignoring blatant infractions by the opposition. How about the in the back to Ted Richards by Fletcher in the 1st half? That was a free under the old rules, let alone the zero tolerance rubbish they are peddling this year.
What makes this even worse is for some reason the other teams supporters (mainly Vicroian teams) always complain saying that the Swans get the easy time with the umpires. They clearly have no idea what they are talking about as the Swans get pinged alot more than most teams and most of those free kicks against us are for things which are minor to say the least and should be ignored by the umpires.
I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say they're prejudiced.
One thing I've noticed this year, though, is that all the power forwards are getting caned by the umps over this hands in the back interpretation. They've brought in all these new interpretations to help them, and yet it's players like Fevola, Brown, Lloyd, Richardson, Hall and Nietz that are getting hammered the most.
That mark and goal which Hall had taken off him was a good example. In a similar contest on the wing with two smallish players the pushing in the side which is supposedly still legal seems to be seen (sometimes). But when it comes in to an isolated backman against a large forward it's almost as if the umps are waiting to pay a free against them.
I don't know why this is. Perhaps any contact from a larger player is more visible? That's all I can think of so early on a Monday morning. But it's annoying because all the advantages of having a large target to shoot at on the forward line are currently being erroded by this fanatical witchunt the AFL commision seems to have against contested footy. :thumbsd:
Skystyler
4 Jun 2007, 15:17
a relevent article:
No relief for Barry Hall
04 June 2007 Herald-Sun
Tim Morrissey
AFL umpires' boss Jeff Gieschen has told Sydney he knows Barry Hall is getting stiffed by the whistleblowers just because he's Barry Hall.
Gieschen's admission to the Swans coaching staff two weeks ago has left coach Paul Roos scratching his head as to why nothing is being done.
Roos' frustration boiled over after Saturday night's one-point loss to Essendon at the SCG.
"Now we've got this (umpiring) controversy that's overshadowing the game, which is really sad," Roos said.
"We spoke to Jeff Gieschen a couple of weeks ago again and brought it up. Jeff agreed with our sentiments but once again nothing changes.
"When you speak to Jeff, he admits Hally is not getting the free kicks.
"What do you do? It's frustrating for Barry, no question, and he's been terrific in his discipline and the way he's going about his footy."
At the start of 2004 Gieschen admitted several umpires were "counselled and coached" after failing to give the Swans spearhead free kicks.
SydneyDon
4 Jun 2007, 16:26
Why doesn't one of you put a sticky on your board saying something like "they are called umpires, not refs"
It would seriously help your cred if you are going to complain about them.
Skystyler
4 Jun 2007, 16:31
cause only a ****er would give a shit!
SydneyDon
4 Jun 2007, 16:38
Fine. Do as you please.
I live in Sydney and like the Swans. I cheered louder then anyone when Leo Barry took a mark about 30 metres from my seat in 2005.
I want AFL to continue to succeed in Sydney and to me these little things do matter. AFL has been played for over 150 years and umpired by umpires. It wouldn't be hard to use the correct terminology.
charged22
4 Jun 2007, 16:45
sorry umpires*
its just frustrating to see games decided on lousy umpring week in week out.
what bball ref fkt up now?
Is it just me or is this the third time in recent years Geishen has admitted that either Hall or the club has been screwed by the umpires?? I believe he was quoted after the second instance that the umpires were being coached over the issue. Fat lot of good the coaching seems to have done. The repeated nature of this 'we stuffed up, but oh well' attitude is what breeds conspiracy theories in sports about fixed matches and pre-determined results. Lets hope we do not head down that path.
And just a note to all the people so quickly jumping on the term ref'....with the increased use of terms like catch, quarterback etc in the game it won't be long before they are termed as being ref's and some of these swans supporters will look like visionaries.
bloodsbigot
7 Jun 2007, 16:25
Is it just me or is this the third time in recent years Geishen has admitted that either Hall or the club has been screwed by the umpires?? I believe he was quoted after the second instance that the umpires were being coached over the issue. Fat lot of good the coaching seems to have done. The repeated nature of this 'we stuffed up, but oh well' attitude is what breeds conspiracy theories in sports about fixed matches and pre-determined results. Lets hope we do not head down that path.
And just a note to all the people so quickly jumping on the term ref'....with the increased use of terms like catch, quarterback etc in the game it won't be long before they are termed as being ref's and some of these swans supporters will look like visionaries.
Umpires, refs, officials who gives a sh1t?
As far as the visionaries thing goes.... I don't think you're too far off the mark there...
I do recall a few years ago that Brisbane, Collingwood and Fremantle all started chanting a long droning.... "freeeeeeeeooo" "liiiiiiions" "cooooollllllliiiiiiiiingwood" around the ground.
Who invented that? ----Oh yes.... that's right .... us 'stupid' swans supporters. :rolleyes:
Syyyyyyyydneeeey.... Syyyyyydney.
xxscubaxx
7 Jun 2007, 18:31
Umpires, refs, officials who gives a sh1t?
As far as the visionaries thing goes.... I don't think you're too far off the mark there...
I do recall a few years ago that Brisbane, Collingwood and Fremantle all started chanting a long droning.... "freeeeeeeeooo" "liiiiiiions" "cooooollllllliiiiiiiiingwood" around the ground.
Who invented that? ----Oh yes.... that's right .... us 'stupid' swans supporters. :rolleyes:
Syyyyyyyydneeeey.... Syyyyyydney.
err prove it?
.Shotties.
7 Jun 2007, 21:13
err prove it?
First memory I had of it being used in the AFL was in the 96 finals series. Any other clubs use predate that?
First memory I had of it being used in the AFL was in the 96 finals series. Any other clubs use predate that?
1996 Round 22 against West Coast in front of 33k in an absolute deluge to be exact! :D
And to answer you question. Erm. No. None that I can think of. I can still remember the perplexed commentators at the time going on about how we sounded like a soccer crowd.
bloodsbigot
7 Jun 2007, 21:34
1996 Round 22 against West Coast in front of 33k in an absolute deluge to be exact! :D
And to answer you question. Erm. No. None that I can think of. I can still remember the perplexed commentators at the time going on about how we sounded like a soccer crowd.
Indeed. Round 22, 1996. Spot on...
That was the FIRST time it was used in an AFL match. Freo, Collingwood and Lions only caught on about 5-7 years later.
Winterstick
7 Jun 2007, 21:43
I don't mind him using the term refs
it just shows that our game is growing and that its proof that he's a convert
but its umps from now
patsmith
7 Jun 2007, 21:51
Indeed. Round 22, 1996. Spot on...
That was the FIRST time it was used in an AFL match. Freo, Collingwood and Lions only caught on about 5-7 years later.
Eagles have been doing it for much, much longer than that. When I became a member twelve years ago it was already common practice.
ROK of Gibraltar
7 Jun 2007, 21:54
1996 Round 22 against West Coast in front of 33k in an absolute deluge to be exact! :D
And to answer you question. Erm. No. None that I can think of. I can still remember the perplexed commentators at the time going on about how we sounded like a soccer crowd.I remember being on the Hill at the SCG in the 1974 (I think, it was the Ashes series in which the Poms called Cowdrey out of retirement) hearing the crowd chant "Lillllllllleeeeeeeee" at about the same pace as the "Syyyyyyydneeeey". I also remember the chant earlier in the day of "Blood Blood Blood" as Lillee and Thomo came running in. I am not sure that football can claim the chant as its own. I should imagine that simialrly paced chants have been doing the English football rounds (and no doubts others) for years.
I remember being on the Hill at the SCG in the 1974 (I think, it was the Ashes series in which the Poms called Cowdrey out of retirement) hearing the crowd chant "Lillllllllleeeeeeeee" at about the same pace as the "Syyyyyyydneeeey". I also remember the chant earlier in the day of "Blood Blood Blood" as Lillee and Thomo came running in. I am not sure that football can claim the chant as its own. I should imagine that simialrly paced chants have been doing the English football rounds (and no doubts others) for years.
You that old lobster boy and you act like a pork chop on RWO. :eek:
bloodsbigot
7 Jun 2007, 21:59
Eagles have been doing it for much, much longer than that. When I became a member twelve years ago it was already common practice.
WTF? No way...
Not to the magnitude of swans fans, surely.
I remember the commentators commenting that that's the first time they'd heard it.
Eagles have been doing it for much, much longer than that. When I became a member twelve years ago it was already common practice.
Thats right, the eagles were first at everything! thats why if you watch replays of games from the late 80s and early 90s you can hear clearly the eagles chant.
We just copied it of them that night i guess. Shame on us.
patsmith
7 Jun 2007, 22:02
WTF? No way...
It's a common sports chant, not limited to AFL or even Australia. Karl Langdon used to love it, so it was a fair while ago.
bloodsbigot
7 Jun 2007, 22:03
I remember being on the Hill at the SCG in the 1974 (I think, it was the Ashes series in which the Poms called Cowdrey out of retirement) hearing the crowd chant "Lillllllllleeeeeeeee" at about the same pace as the "Syyyyyyydneeeey". I also remember the chant earlier in the day of "Blood Blood Blood" as Lillee and Thomo came running in. I am not sure that football can claim the chant as its own. I should imagine that simialrly paced chants have been doing the English football rounds (and no doubts others) for years.
Nevertheless... it was Sydney crowds that popularised it in footy.
Fine. Do as you please.
I live in Sydney and like the Swans. I cheered louder then anyone when Leo Barry took a mark about 30 metres from my seat in 2005.
I want AFL to continue to succeed in Sydney and to me these little things do matter. AFL has been played for over 150 years and umpired by umpires. It wouldn't be hard to use the correct terminology.
I agree
bloodsbigot
7 Jun 2007, 22:04
It's a common sports chant, not limited to AFL or even Australia. Karl Langdon used to love it, so it was a fair while ago.
See above.
ROK of Gibraltar
7 Jun 2007, 22:09
You that old lobster boy and you act like a pork chop on RWO. :eek:How many times have you been banned this season Diego? And how's your ingenious plan travelling to out me as a "troll"? You have made my internet life a living hell mate. I tremble at the keyboard, wondering what username is stalking me today...
How many times have you been banned this season Diego? And how's your ingenious plan travelling to out me as a "troll"? You have made my internet life a living hell mate. I tremble at the keyboard, wondering what username is stalking me today...
Stalking you am i now? Your just getting in the way of my net experience you little troll. And yes you are the classic troll..i have never come across a person who blatenly trolls like you do.
You just hope the swans loose so you can hop online and bait your fellow supporters. You have been from day one. You troll and then when people up you about it you play teh victim.
My multiple nicks is like your multi personality old man. Shame on you for being so old and acting like a 14 year old interweb geeks! And i love it how you have anew lover in Hammo..what happen with stella? his boy was too much eh?
Go away and run off to RWO where Frog, Hammo, NWBLOODS and the other 2 parasites that post there will laugh at your antics! I know i do becasue Mr i draw political cartoons b/c my wit is so sharp and i live in canberra is my hero and is teh funney on teh interwebs.
ROK of Gibraltar
7 Jun 2007, 22:24
Stalking you am i now? Your just getting in the way of my net experience you little troll. And yes you are the classic troll..i have never come across a person who blatenly trolls like you do.
You just hope the swans loose so you can hope online and bait your fellow supporters. You have been from day one. You troll and then when people up you about it you play teh victim.
My multiple nicks is like your multi personality old man. Shame on you for being so old and acting like a 14 year old interweb geeks! And i love it how you have anew lover in Hammo..what happen with stella? his boy was too much eh?
Go away and run off to RWO where Frog, Hammo, NWBLOODS and the other 2 parasites that post there will laugh at your antics! I know i do becasue Mr i draw political cartoons b/c my wit is so sharp and i live in canberra is my hero and is teh funney on teh interwebs.It must be horrible to live in a world where you are always right and the other 3 billion are wrong.
Richo is God
7 Jun 2007, 22:25
richmond and collingwood are the 2 most hated teams by the umps in the afl, so stop whinging because no one likes roos' **** game play
It must be horrible to live in a world where you are always right and the other 3 billion are wrong.
Uh huh. it must suck to be you trollboy.
oooo i hear hammmo...go make him laugh!!!!!!!
richmond and collingwood are the 2 most hated teams by the umps in the afl, so stop whinging because no one likes roos' **** game play
no one likes Richo - so go away.
bloodsbigot
7 Jun 2007, 22:30
richmond and collingwood are the 2 most hated teams by the umps in the afl, so stop whinging because no one likes roos' **** game play
Funny... I can't recall hating Richmond or Colllingwood... :confused:
You see... we 'hate' what we 'fear.' Thus, I don't hate Richmond nor Collingwood. :thumbsu:
Richo is God
7 Jun 2007, 22:30
no one likes Richo - so go away.
how bout u stop getting 36 players around the ball and u will stop getting crucified by the umpire
patsmith
7 Jun 2007, 22:46
Nevertheless... it was Sydney crowds that popularised it in footy.
Bollocks. As I said, it was being done before I was a member of WCE, and Karl Langdon (a WCE premiership player from the early 90s) would always get fired up by it. I'm sure supporters of other clubs would remember it at their games too.
So no, it wasn't Sydney crowds that popularised it in footy.
hackysack86
7 Jun 2007, 22:53
how bout u stop getting 36 players around the ball and u will stop getting crucified by the umpire
how about u actually win a game this season!!!
bloodsbigot
7 Jun 2007, 22:54
Bollocks. As I said, it was being done before I was a member of WCE, and Karl Langdon (a WCE premiership player from the early 90s) would always get fired up by it. I'm sure supporters of other clubs would remember it at their games too.
So no, it wasn't Sydney crowds that popularised it in footy.
Well.... I'll tell ya what mate... if that IS true... that the eagles did it in the early 90's... I'd find it very surprising.
Even if it is true... did you continue to use it? Erm... not really.
Did the swans continue to use it? Absolutely. Did the swans use of it rub off on other clubs? Absolutely.
That's my theory anyway... unless you can prove otherwise.
Bollocks. As I said, it was being done before I was a member of WCE, and Karl Langdon (a WCE premiership player from the early 90s) would always get fired up by it. I'm sure supporters of other clubs would remember it at their games too.
So no, it wasn't Sydney crowds that popularised it in footy.
Hmm. Well I watched a fair few West Coast games back in the 90's (you were actually one of my favourite teams under Malthouse for while there :o) and it certainly wasn't something I ever picked up on. Sure the odd player here or there might have been given a cheer. But lets get it right. There was never anything close to a unanimous chant by a footy crowd where everyone in attendance did a slow chant for minutes at a time (and not just after a goal was scored) before the Sydney one. And it certainly didn't start to become the vogue eslewhere until this decade.
Some of you Eagles fans with your "West coast did it" posts remind me of that Southpark episode where no one could say anything without someone saying "Simpsons did it!" :rolleyes:
The Sydney Chant is without a doubt a reincarnation of the old Lillee chant as another poster pointed out. Which itself probably can be traced back to English football, if anyone wants to get technical. :thumbsu:
bloodsbigot
7 Jun 2007, 23:08
Hmm. Well I watched a fair few West Coast games back in the 90's (you were actually one of my favourite teams under Malthouse for while there :o) and it certainly wasn't something I ever picked up on. Sure the odd player here or there might have been given a cheer. But lets get it right. There was never anything close to a unanimous chant by a footy crowd where everyone in attendance did a slow chant for minutes at a time (and not just after a goal was scored) before the Sydney one. And it certainly didn't start to become the vogue eslewhere until this decade.
Some of you Eagles fans with your "West coast did it" posts remind me of that Southpark episode where no one could say anything without someone saying "Simpsons did it!" :rolleyes:
The Sydney Chant is without a doubt a reincarnation of the old Lillee chant as another poster pointed out. Which itself probably can be traced back to English football, if anyone wants to get technical. :thumbsu:
Haha. I was thinking the same thing.
Haha. I was thinking the same thing.
http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/16056/2005335642447668629_rs.jpg
:D
bloodsbigot
7 Jun 2007, 23:41
http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/16056/2005335642447668629_rs.jpg
:D
:D
West Cokes definition of 'starting it'....... one or two guys in the crowd saying "Wesssst Cooooke"
patsmith
7 Jun 2007, 23:51
Hmm. Well I watched a fair few West Coast games back in the 90's (you were actually one of my favourite teams under Malthouse for while there :o) and it certainly wasn't something I ever picked up on. Sure the odd player here or there might have been given a cheer. But lets get it right. There was never anything close to a unanimous chant by a footy crowd where everyone in attendance did a slow chant for minutes at a time (and not just after a goal was scored) before the Sydney one. And it certainly didn't start to become the vogue eslewhere until this decade.
Some of you Eagles fans with your "West coast did it" posts remind me of that Southpark episode where no one could say anything without someone saying "Simpsons did it!" :rolleyes:
The Sydney Chant is without a doubt a reincarnation of the old Lillee chant as another poster pointed out. Which itself probably can be traced back to English football, if anyone wants to get technical. :thumbsu:
As I said, I'm sure plenty of other clubs have used it well before late 1996. And yes, it was used every year, usually in games which we won by ten goals or more. It's you guys who are making the absurd claim that you invented a chant that has not only been used for years in general sport, but has also been used for years in AFL.
And if you are going to incorrectly claim something, at least make it something better than a lame chant...
As I said, I'm sure plenty of other clubs have used it well before late 1996. And yes, it was used every year, usually in games which we won by ten goals or more. It's you guys who are making the absurd claim that you invented a chant that has not only been used for years in general sport, but has also been used for years in AFL.
And if you are going to incorrectly claim something, at least make it something better than a lame chant...
Hmm. Funny. I was just about to say the same thing to you. :rolleyes:
"I'm sure" doesn't quite cut it for me. Frankly that just screams "I'm not actually sure at all". But I'll lay it on the line. If there is a single moment of video evidence of that style of chant pre 96 point it my way and I'll admit I'm wrong. But until then I'm quite comfortable about regarding you as just another tool to laugh at. :D
ps: you're not Patrick Smith the columnist are you? Because that would explain a few things to me. :p;)
.Shotties.
8 Jun 2007, 17:25
It's you guys who are making the absurd claim that you invented a chant that has not only been used for years in general sport, but has also been used for years in AFL.
Straw man. Popularised =/= invented.