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philhawk
5 Jun 2007, 01:27
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/best-fit-not-to-stitch-up-fans/2007/06/04/1180809426075.html

'Best fit' not to stitch up fans

Greg Baum | June 5, 2007

IN THE paperwork accompanying the delivery of the Docklands stadium in 2000 was a document called the "best fit" policy. It guaranteed that any match likely to draw more than the new ground's 52,000 capacity would be moved to the MCG, ensuring that fans would never be squeezed out. It looked honourable in its intention.

It is as well that the AFL is not a tailor. "Best fit" has turned out to be "next off the rack", nipped here, tucked there, taken out at the waist and up at the hems, but never swapped for the right size. It has been braces and belts all the way.

In Docklands' first season, Essendon and Hawthorn — both unbeaten after a third of the season — were drawn to meet there. Rather than switch the match to the MCG, the AFL put up rubbery crowd projections, mumbled something about the impracticability of changing catering, corporate and broadcast arrangements and stayed put.

The match was sold out, which suited the AFL since it saw this as validation of a stadium about which many still harboured suspicions, and enabled the match to be shown live on television. But it denied a night at the footy to … who knows how many, since they were left out in the cold.

In eight years, not one match has been moved to accommodate a probable oversized crowd. Instead, there has been a lot of tucking, hitching and tricks with mirrors. One size has been made to fit all.

Now the AFL will have to get out its elastic measuring tape again. In four weeks, the Kangaroos and the Western Bulldogs are drawn to play on a Sunday afternoon at the MCG, Collingwood and Hawthorn at twilight at Telstra Dome.

In so many ways, this is an ill-fitting fixture. At a clerical level, all four clubs will be playing away from their notional homes, which is absurd. More crucially, the Kangaroos and Bulldogs are unlikely to sell out Telstra Dome and might fill only a third of the MCG.

Conversely, Collingwood and Hawthorn, both high-flying, could burst Telstra Dome's seams. The Magpies' drawing power is legendary and the Hawks' membership is more than 30,000 and rising. Moreover, although this is a Collingwood home game, Hawthorn members have rights as part of their deal to play games in Tasmania.

Collingwood has not played in front of fewer than 44,000 in Melbourne this season and Hawthorn drew 52,000 when it played Essendon, before its run of wins began. If both clubs hold their form and the weather is kind, more than 70,000 could be expected. Don't forget, on Queen's Birthday weekend in 1991, these two clubs unexpectedly drew 90,000 to an ill-prepared Waverley Park, embarrassing the AFL.

The AFL was adamant yesterday that there would be no switch. Gillon McLachlan said the league would look foolish if it put Collingwood-Hawthorn on at the MCG at twilight, only for rain and cold to restrict the crowd to 30,000, which begs the question: on those terms, why bother with twilight, outdoors football at all?

In moments such as this, fans are bound to be cynical. It will not escape them that the AFL owns Telstra Dome, nor that the twilight match is shown exclusively on pay television.

Nor will it escape them that the AFL says moving matches is logistically impossible, yet only last week said it would keep its mind open about a proposal from Channel Seven for the Friday night fixture to be kept flexible. Portability itself appears to be a moveable concept.

The AFL says that by attending carefully to fixturing, it has obviated the need to move matches from Telstra Dome. This mostly is true, but can never work perfectly. It makes it even more imperative that when a blockbuster arrives unannounced — neither Collingwood nor Hawthorn figured prominently in pre-season speculations — there is a device for it to be shifted.

It is not impossible for catering and corporates to move, nor for the several financial arrangements between clubs and stadiums to be adjusted accordingly. Collingwood and Hawthorn say they have no objection, and the Kangaroos and Bulldogs can have none. There is a way if there is a will.

The "best fit" policy was never rescinded; it simply was never applied. If it is not now, fans are entitled to ask why some must put up with billowing and baggy, and others with a fit so tight it threatens to do a mischief — and all the while have the AFL tell them that they look just lovely in that.

Hear Hear!

boozeDragon
5 Jun 2007, 01:32
keep those fingers crossed...

very typical of the AFL - thats a surprisingly good article for a newspaper

Hawkk
5 Jun 2007, 02:40
Collingwood has the biggest membership in Victoria, Hawthorn has the 4th biggest (and growing)

Both clubs are major MCG tenants and have only once drawn fewer then 45,000 fans at their home grounds* (round 14 2004) since 1998.

The MCC estimates that the Hawks round 11 clash against Sydney will draw 45,000+ (potentially the largest of any Victorian side outside Collingwood and Essendon since 1999) while Collingwood drew 45,000 fans against Fremantle in the cold last week.

To add insult to injury, its obviously a Hawthorn designated away game, which will no doubt lift the crowd as well.

With these circumstances in mind, there is every chance this game will draw 85,000 if the form line continues.

The fact that this is now a blockbuster is irrelevent, the main issue in all of this is why this game was staged at Docklands in the first place. Hopefully our board is up to the task and can take the AFL to the cleaners over this...frankly I'm disappointed we haven't used the media, if for nothing else, just to say we told them so.

* The game at Docklands last year was played at a neutral venue - it drew 43,000.

-GB-
5 Jun 2007, 02:47
Collingwood has the biggest membership in Victoria, Hawthorn has the 4th biggest (and growing)

Both clubs are major MCG tenants and have only once drawn fewer then 45,000 fans at their home grounds* (round 14 2004) since 1998.

The MCC estimates that the Hawks round 11 clash against Sydney will draw 45,000+ (potentially the largest of any Victorian side outside Collingwood and Essendon since 1999) while Collingwood drew 45,000 fans against Fremantle in the cold last week.

To add insult to injury, its obviously a Hawthorn designated away game, which will no doubt lift the crowd as well.

With these circumstances in mind, there is every chance this game will draw 85,000 if the form line continues.

The fact that this is now a blockbuster is irrelevent, the main issue in all of this is why this game was staged at Docklands in the first place. Hopefully our board is up to the task and can take the AFL to the cleaners over this...frankly I'm disappointed we haven't used the media, if for nothing else, just to say we told them so.

* The game at Docklands last year was played at a neutral venue - it drew 43,000.

I agree with the majority of your comments, but 85,000... you're kidding right?

Of the 45,000 people at Collingwood v Fremantle, you could say 38k approx support Collingwood (a few thousand Freo & some MCC members who like to go after work on a Friday)

Of the 45,000 expected this week against Sydney, possibly 32-35k will be Hawthorn, 10k Sydney. Remember Sydney still have quite a good following here from South Melbourne.

It is a Hawthorn away game, so you will get perhaps 5,000 Hawthorn members not attending.

Makes for around about 65-70 at best. Which would still be a ripper of a crowd.

On average Hawthorn v Collingwood gets 50-55k at the G.

jase
5 Jun 2007, 02:49
another reason to log onto hawks bigfooty:D

Hawkk
5 Jun 2007, 03:06
I agree with the majority of your comments, but 85,000... you're kidding right?

Of the 45,000 people at Collingwood v Fremantle, you could say 38k approx support Collingwood (a few thousand Freo & some MCC members who like to go after work on a Friday)

Of the 45,000 expected this week against Sydney, possibly 32-35k will be Hawthorn, 10k Sydney. Remember Sydney still have quite a good following here from South Melbourne.

It is a Hawthorn away game, so you will get perhaps 5,000 Hawthorn members not attending.

Makes for around about 65-70 at best. Which would still be a ripper of a crowd.

On average Hawthorn v Collingwood gets 50-55k at the G.

I agree with most of the stuff you are saying BUT...

In the lead up to the game;

Hawthorn - Sydney (MCG) Carlton (TD)
Collingwood - Melbourne (MCG) Sydney (TS)

At the very least, on current form both sides should win at least one of those games. That would take both clubs to at least 8-4 before the break - and in the top 4. That in itself should attract a hell of a lot of neutral interest.

It's also a designated Hawthorn away game, which should help elevate the quams of the members that don't want to pay entry. So all up, you could have something like;

Collingwood - 40,000
Hawthorn - 30/35,000
Neutral - 5,000

All up - 75-80,000

As a matter of interest if this happened it would be 2nd biggest home and away crowd our great club has ever played in front of. If nothing at all, it would be great for the game to be switched to give our young players and supporters a taste of finals football...

At the end of the day the actual crowd is immaterial, the game will draw more then the overall capacity so should be switched accordingly.

medusala
5 Jun 2007, 03:17
At the end of the day the actual crowd is immaterial, the game will draw more then the overall capacity so should be switched accordingly.

Even if it doesnt you could ask the obvious question: why are two MCG tenants playing at another ground?

MinerBoy
5 Jun 2007, 10:39
Regardless of expected crowds and ladder positions, it simply defies logic for teams not to play homes games at their home grounds.:rolleyes:

Bulldogs/Kangaroos = TD tenants = Play at TD

Maggies/Hawks = MCG tenants = Play at MCG

Am I missing something? It seems oh so simple. How could the fixture end up like this? Maybe the next Ashes series can be played in India.

frankc
5 Jun 2007, 11:41
The game will not be moved. Telstra dome needs some big ticket games as well and there is no way Collo is going to give up this game.

Albo's opinion
5 Jun 2007, 11:57
The game will not be moved. Telstra dome needs some big ticket games as well and there is no way Collo is going to give up this game.
correct. it all comes down to the almighty $$$ when are you people going to realise that the afl's mission is not to please the clubs/supporters/players by providing logical fair solutions to problems??? all the administration of the afl are interested in is profit margins and pleasing their corporate bumbuddies.

Roddy
5 Jun 2007, 12:01
I think the point is that this game at the 'G will draw significantly higher than the capacity of Telstra. Why wouldn't the AFL want to 'maximise it's attendances'? It must be a complete slave to contracts....

MinerBoy
5 Jun 2007, 12:16
The game will not be moved. Telstra dome needs some big ticket games as well and there is no way Collo is going to give up this game.

That's why they signed up Essendon as a tenant. Let them service the requirement for big ticket games. It is their home ground.

buddy23
5 Jun 2007, 14:32
IN THE paperwork accompanying the delivery of the Docklands stadium in 2000 was a document called the "best fit" policy. It guaranteed that any match likely to draw more than the new ground's 52,000 capacity would be moved to the MCG, ensuring that fans would never be squeezed out. It looked honourable in its intention.



*Sigh*

Anyone have Vlad's phone number?

Pessimistic
5 Jun 2007, 14:35
For each hawthorn member attending, the club pays collingwood a fee.

If people are locked out, they will more likely be Hawks fans.

As a consolation it will 'cost' hawthorn less than if it was at the G

Trent Berger
5 Jun 2007, 14:47
Even as a Hawthorn Member, I will have to get there when gates open because it is a Replacement Game and the Carringbush are the home team. Even then experience tells me I will be lucky to get in and will end up missing the first quarter while either queueing or on the train back home to watch the rest on Foxtel.:mad:

Robber Baron
5 Jun 2007, 17:41
Demetriuo has made a big mistake here not giving us the MCG for the game, Jeffs probably just waiting for this mistake to give it to him and then demand that Fitzpatrick sack him for being incompetent. Demetruio has got to go. I'll bet that Robbo will show him the numbers that hes cost us profits and Robbo should sue him for that.

HawkFan15
5 Jun 2007, 19:19
Gilhan McGlachlan come on get serious, 30,000 if it is cold and rains, what a feable excuse, surely they should move the round 15 geelong vs collingwood friday night game from the mcg to the dome because it could be cold or rain and they might only get 30,000. Get serious. We know you aren't going to move it, but just tell us you stuffed up, dont make up elastic/rubbery excuses.

Mervyn Beasley
5 Jun 2007, 22:10
keep those fingers crossed...

very typical of the AFL - thats a surprisingly good article for a newspaper
Greg Baum is a fantastic journo.
Not that well known as he doesnt just stick to the one sport.
Always worth reading his stuff no matter what it's on.

bak2bak8889
6 Jun 2007, 01:09
I want to know where is our president when the real issues come up? Its all good to talk about the game and blah,blah,blah but this a MAJOR issue for the hawthorn supporters.... WAKE UP JEFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have a bloody go at these corrupt individuals with conflict of interests... Do they represent whats best for the game and its shareholders..... NO!!!!!!!! Why don't you come out swinging and represent us like you should? IT's simply amazing how corrupt this game really is.... at the top!!!!

Hawkk
6 Jun 2007, 01:11
Well he'll look like a fool if we lose the next 2 games won't he? These are the sorts of issues we must keep behind closed doors. The AFL won't change the game, however if we improve our relationship with the AFL we can strive to get a much better draw from a fans perspective next year.

bak2bak8889
6 Jun 2007, 01:19
Well he'll look like a fool if we lose the next 2 games won't he? These are the sorts of issues we must keep behind closed doors. The AFL won't change the game, however if we improve our relationship with the AFL we can strive to get a much better draw from a fans perspective next year.And we can all put on rosy colored glasses... FAIR dinkum.. wake up and smell the coffee. Does not matter what happens in the next 2 rounds. this game will attract huge support.