AFL NSW Scholarships

[luckysaint48]

Two questions

Has anyone actually been drafted from this rule yet?

and

Has anyone ever seen some of these kids play? Would be interested to hear if the program is bearing any fruit considering it's so speculative.

[RooDog]

the answer to the first part of your question in no because all of the original intake only become eligible for the draft this year.

[Kirky8865]

I have seen all of the scholarship players in rep footy. I can only comment on the boys who are in the under 16s this year. They are all pretty handy players, they where in the schoolboys side that went to Darwin last year and are all in the 16s RAMS this year. A bit difficult to say whether the additional tuition they are receiving from their individual AFL clubs is improving their footy, I would guess that it is. Some of us in NSW find it difficult to shallow the whole program, as our location (in NSW) makes us ineligble to gain a scholarship, the scheme is a fantastic idea but to omit areas in the state does make a mockery of calling it a NSW-ACT scholarship because ACT isnt in the area and the southern part of NSW isnt either.

[eastlakes rule]

jeremy kirkwood

[Kirky8865]

jeremy kirkwood
What about him?

[eastlakes rule]

nothin
kirky from quenbeyan haha

[bananabenda]

Why can't Kirky be eligible for a scholarship? Why can some parts of NSW be eligible and not others?

[bananabenda]

Oops... not Kirky
I mean his son. lol

[Kirky8865]

Yep, not hard to work that out with my screen name and location. I see no reason to hide behind a pseudonym. If I have something to say I will say it. Yhe scholarship scheme is a joke because we aren't involved and kids like my son (and plenty of others) miss out on the opportunity. If you think its fair, so be it.

[Kirky8865]

Why can't Kirky be eligible for a scholarship? Why can some parts of NSW be eligible and not others?
Because some one (no one will say who) drew a line across NSW and you have to live in or go to school in that area to be eligable. Apparently everyone below the line is in a developed area and doesn't need assistance. They call it an NSW/ACT afl scholarship but if you live in the ACT you are not eligable. Go figure.

[pero]

What a joke. Virtually all of NSW ,especially ACT, need the scholarship scheme. I would maybe draw the line at leagues bordering NSW/Vic. as they would be very strong at a guess. I'm not sure the scheme will result in an abundance of players drafted in years to come. But, it shouls ensure that competitions in NSW improve their standard through the very good training and assistance given to the recipients.
My young fellow played for Qld in Darwin last year. Your young bloke goes alright. Number "12" I believe?
Just a Question why was Jeremy in the NSW side last year? Don't you live in Queanbean,ACT?
PS. Bananabenda's a friend of mine = good bloke. Hiya banana, off to Melbourne next week I believe.

[eastlakes rule]

because i u passed yr 5 geography, Queenbeyan is actually in NSW mate!!!!

[vinnie_vegas69]

Scott Reed is our oldest one, and he's not due until next year.

Nick Perry and Thomas Young are years away still.

[suspect1]

What a joke. Virtually all of NSW ,especially ACT, need the scholarship scheme. I would maybe draw the line at leagues bordering NSW/Vic. as they would be very strong at a guess. I'm not sure the scheme will result in an abundance of players drafted in years to come. But, it shouls ensure that competitions in NSW improve their standard through the very good training and assistance given to the recipients.
My young fellow played for Qld in Darwin last year. Your young bloke goes alright. Number "12" I believe?
Just a Question why was Jeremy in the NSW side last year? Don't you live in Queanbean,ACT?
PS. Bananabenda's a friend of mine = good bloke. Hiya banana, off to Melbourne next week I believe.

What it's about is that the afl want to have kids from rugby areas paticually in sydney to be drafted for the pr exercise. Having kids developed in sydney playing afl will ensure footy will grow as kids can see a pathway . Right or wrong thats what it is about . I guess at least some one is getting a go .

[suspect1]

What a joke. Virtually all of NSW ,especially ACT, need the scholarship scheme. I would maybe draw the line at leagues bordering NSW/Vic. as they would be very strong at a guess. I'm not sure the scheme will result in an abundance of players drafted in years to come. But, it shouls ensure that competitions in NSW improve their standard through the very good training and assistance given to the recipients.
My young fellow played for Qld in Darwin last year. Your young bloke goes alright. Number "12" I believe?
Just a Question why was Jeremy in the NSW side last year? Don't you live in Queanbean,ACT?
PS. Bananabenda's a friend of mine = good bloke. Hiya banana, off to Melbourne next week I believe.

Pero is that perovic? If it is your young bloke was ripped off not to make the 16's. He's a very good footballer in my books , Looks like he had a good carnival and was over looked?? Did they give him any feedback as to why .

[Kirky8865]

You are exactly right Pero. With everyone eligble then our game would prosper. If people know me, this whinging isnt just about my son. It is about every single player who is not eligable. Im not saying he would get a scholarship but to be ineligable based on where we live in garbage. I moved from Vic to NSW to help (in a very very very small way) promote our game. When the governing body places hurdles in front of young blokes they will soon go in another direction. Jeremy "No 22" in Darwin, had a great carnival and was fortunate to be named in the All-Aus side, as Eastlake says Queanbeyan is in NSW, he goes to school in NSW thats why he was in the NSW side. I know what the afl are trying to do and as suspect says try to get boys from league and union over to our game. GREAT idea. Problem is, both League (Raiders) and Union (Brumbies) have approached Jeremy and want to give him a scholarship for their game. Bloody hard to keep him (and plenty of others) involved in our game when they are doing exactly the same as AFL in SYdney. The only thing that has lifted his spirits lately is that he is playing for our seniors in the ACTAFL, and Im very proud of him for that.

[pero]

Pero is that perovic? If it is your young bloke was ripped off not to make the 16's. He's a very good footballer in my books , Looks like he had a good carnival and was over looked?? Did they give him any feedback as to why .
Feedback was that-
he didn't run enough , and was being considered as a tall back key position player .He played full back, and is only 183cm .Funny thing is his CHB ran less but is 5 cm taller and got in the squad. It could be a valid point though at that height he can only be considered as a utility or onballer. ( where he played in Darwin u/15 s'boys).
Having said that, had he been told that running backmen is what the selectors want, he could have easily done that.
He made the mistake of thinking keeping your opponents to virtually no possessions was the criteria for backline selection. And might I add he got more than his share of the football, and was pleased with his effort as were mum and dad.

[Foot In Mouth]

because i u passed yr 5 geography, Queenbeyan is actually in NSW mate!!!!

Over zealous parents kill young footballers - if they are any good they will be picked up. Let the young blokes evolve without all the trauma of possible draft selection, scholarships etc. Those things werent around years ago yet the Danihers, Carey, Hirds, Hayes, Hamills, Boltons and Jezza's etc from Canberra and NSW areas were all picked up through normal channels.

[macca69]

Might be a bit OT, but there was a bloke playing with NSW today that had Calder Cannons listed as his club, what's the deal with him?

[Footynut08]

i understand the concept of the NSW players only getting scholarships.. but why not give the other states a go at it aswell. Cause im sure there is plenty of kids in NT,QLD, WA that deserved to be looked at!

[Kirky8865]

Over zealous parents kill young footballers - if they are any good they will be picked up. Let the young blokes evolve without all the trauma of possible draft selection, scholarships etc. Those things werent around years ago yet the Danihers, Carey, Hirds, Hayes, Hamills, Boltons and Jezza's etc from Canberra and NSW areas were all picked up through normal channels.
Totally agree Foot in Mouth, but the end result of a scholarship is that your sponsoring club can nominate, before the draft that they will take you. (like the Father/Son rule), that to me is the biggest incentive.
Might be a bit OT, but there was a bloke playing with NSW today that had Calder Cannons listed as his club, what's the deal with him?
Players that go to school and play for TAC cup sides in Vic can be selected for NSW for the Nationals if that is their home base.
i understand the concept of the NSW players only getting scholarships.. but why not give the other states a go at it aswell. Cause im sure there is plenty of kids in NT,QLD, WA that deserved to be looked at!
I agree, all states should be looking at this, the problem then is that clubs will start picking up players at 15 and working with them, when draft time comes along the best players will/may be on scholarships and not be available to the teams that finish on the bottom, thus nullifing what the draft is all about and that is speading the wealth of talent around.

[grub29]

Might be a bit OT, but there was a bloke playing with NSW today that had Calder Cannons listed as his club, what's the deal with him?

Tony Armstrong is from Brocklesby,Justin Koschitzke's old club and goes to school at Assumption College.

[macca69]

Tony Armstrong is from Brocklesby,Justin Koschitzke's old club and goes to school at Assumption College.

He's been pretty good for NSW apparently, but I don't recall seeing him much at Calder. You know what his TAC form has been like?

Also does anyone have a list of all the scholarship boys and who they're aligned to.

The ones I know are (not 100% on all of them though)

Simon Davies (Ess)
Ranga Edirwickrama (Carl)
Craig Bird (Syd)
Ben Simon (Ess)
O'Connor (Bris)
Walker (Ade)
Wilsen (Kang)
Read (Coll)
Davis (WCE)
Stubbs (WCE)
Wilson (Fre)

Who have I missed?

[macca69]

Also Craig Bird wasn't listed on the team sheet for NSW. Is he injured or has he simply not been selected? I'd be astounded if it was the latter.

[grub29]

Also Craig Bird wasn't listed on the team sheet for NSW. Is he injured or has he simply not been selected? I'd be astounded if it was the latter.

Bird's injured Macca.He hurt his knee against Bendigo.I'm also sure Armstrong has only played 1 or 2 games at Calder due to school commitments.

[macca69]

Bird's injured Macca.He hurt his knee against Bendigo.I'm also sure Armstrong has only played 1 or 2 games at Calder due to school commitments.

Cheers Grub. Will Bird be right for the carnival? Massive loss for NSW if he misses.

[grub29]

He's been pretty good for NSW apparently, but I don't recall seeing him much at Calder. You know what his TAC form has been like?

Also does anyone have a list of all the scholarship boys and who they're aligned to.

The ones I know are (not 100% on all of them though)

Simon Davies (Ess)
Ranga Edirwickrama (Geel)
Craig Bird (Syd)
Ben Simon (Ess)
O'Connor (Bris)
Walker (Ade)
Wilsen (Kang)
Read (Coll)
Davis (WCE)
Stubbs (WCE)
Wilson (Rich)
Haretuku (St.K)
Davies (Ess)
Linsen (Port)
Josh Fenaroli (Carl)
Bottin-Noonan (Syd)
Lee (Rich)
Ogle (WB)
Kickett (Haw)
Sierakowski (Haw)

Who have I missed?

Simon Davies (Ess)
Ranga Edirwickrama (Geel)
Craig Bird (Syd)
Ben Simon (Ess)
O'Connor (Bris)
Walker (Ade)
Wilsen (Kang)
Read (Coll)
Davis (WCE)
Stubbs (WCE)
Wilson (Rich)
Haretuku (St.K)
Linsen (Port)
Josh Fenaroli (Carl)
Bottin-Noonan (Syd)
Lee (Rich)
Ogle (WB)
Kickett (Haw)
Sierakowski (Haw)

[macca69]

Simon Davies (Ess)
Ranga Edirwickrama (Geel)
Craig Bird (Syd)
Ben Simon (Ess)
O'Connor (Bris)
Walker (Ade)
Wilsen (Kang)
Read (Coll)
Davis (WCE)
Stubbs (WCE)
Wilson (Rich)
Haretuku (St.K)
Linsen (Port)
Josh Fenaroli (Carl)
Bottin-Noonan (Syd)
Lee (Rich)
Ogle (WB)
Kickett (Haw)
Sierakowski (Haw)

Cheers, but are you sure Max Wilson is at Richmond, I thought he was Freo's.

[Gilly1972]

Simon Davies (Ess)
Ranga Edirwickrama (Geel)
Craig Bird (Syd)
Ben Simon (Ess)
O'Connor (Bris)
Walker (Ade)
Wilsen (Kang)
Read (Coll)
Davis (WCE)
Stubbs (WCE)
Wilson (Rich)
Haretuku (St.K)
Linsen (Port)
Josh Fenaroli (Carl)
Bottin-Noonan (Syd)
Lee (Rich)
Ogle (WB)
Kickett (Haw)
Sierakowski (Haw)

Grub, you can add Jake Pianta for carlton...but iirc is only 15 or 16 though so won't be seeing him in the champs until about '09

[grub29]

Simon Davies (Ess)
Ranga Edirwickrama (Geel)
Craig Bird (Syd)
Ben Simon (Ess)
O'Connor (Bris)
Walker (Ade)
Wilsen (Kang)
Read (Coll)
Davis (WCE)
Stubbs (WCE)
Wilson (Rich)
Haretuku (St.K)
Linsen (Port)
Josh Fenaroli (Carl)
Bottin-Noonan (Syd)
Lee (Rich)
Ogle (WB)
Kickett (Haw)
Sierakowski (Haw)
Also macca I was told that Wilson was Richmond so it may be wrong.The guys in red are Under 16s.

[macca69]

Also macca I was told that Wilson was Richmond so it may be wrong.The guys in red are Under 16s.

Nah, you've heard wrong mate, he is Freo's. Richmond mightn't even have a NSW rookie, but I could be wrong there.

[Weaver]

Nah, you've heard wrong mate, he is Freo's. Richmond mightn't even have a NSW rookie, but I could be wrong there.

Harrison Lee. Now that the program is non-compulsory I would imagine that Richmond will be one club that drops off.

[grub29]

This is the link but is hasn't been updated for a while.

http://www.aflnswact.com.au/?s=genericnewslist&kw=57

[Kirky8865]

Have not got the full list at home with me it is in the office. Back in tomorrow will post full list then. I have been viewing signings on the individual clubs web site, (been checking each week), NSW/ACT AFL web site is a bit slowwwwww. I know Hawthorn have signed 2 this year.

[BLmatt_20]

played with all the 15 yr olds that got scholarships this year except Thomas Kickett.

u/15 list:
jay lewis(sydney swans)
thomas young(collingwood magpies)
trent stubbs(hawthorn hawks)
james webster(essendon bombers)
daniel lloyd(western bulldogs)
james brain(brisbane lions)
jake pianta(carlton blues)
nicholas perry(collingwood magpies)
im not sure if this is correct cause i havent been able to talk to him for a bit, kane murphy(st kilda saints)

for the 16's you also forgot braedon jones(western bulldogs)

been trying hard to get one of these.

i think it's not very fair for ACT people either but they extended the area this year and might extend it further in the future.

[swans12]

The focus on the scheme is to develop AFL in areas where AFL is not a factor.

eg Sydney - North to Qld border.

Long term goal is for a second AFL Sydney based team

The Riverina areas have been developed for many years in comparison to say Nthn NSW. It would defeat the purpose of the scheme to include all other regions as it would not have the desired effect of developing non football regions

[Kirky8865]

The list that I have compiled:
Under 18's:
Bird(Swans)
Linsen(Port)
Wilsen(Kangaroos)
Haretuku(Saints)
Ediriwickrama(Cats)
Davis(West Coast)
Reed(Magpies)
Davies(Bombers)
Walker(Crows)
Stubbs(West Coast)
Ogle(Bulldogs)
Lee(Richmond)
Fenaroli(Carlton)
Sierakowski(Hawthorn)
O'Conner(Brisbane)
Simon(Bombers)
Long(Freo)
Under 16's:
Johnston(Hawks)
Strudwick(Melb)
Duncan(Saints)
Jones(Bulldogs)
Lowe(Saints)
Bottin-Noonan(Swans)
Under 15's
Kickett(Hawks)
Murphy(Saints)
Brain(Brisbane)
Stubbs(Hawks)
Perry(Magpies)
Pianta(Carlton)
Lewis(Swans)
Lloyd(Bulldogs)
Webster(Bombers)
Young(Magpies)
As at 13/6/07

[macca69]

The list that I have compiled:
Under 18's:
Bird(Swans)
Linsen(Port)
Wilsen(Kangaroos)
Haretuku(Saints)
Ediriwickrama(Cats)
Davis(West Coast)
Reed(Magpies)
Davies(Bombers)
Walker(Crows)
Stubbs(West Coast)
Ogle(Bulldogs)
Lee(Richmond)
Fenaroli(Carlton)
Sierakowski(Hawthorn)
O'Conner(Brisbane)
Simon(Bombers)
Long(Freo)
Under 16's:
Johnston(Hawks)
Strudwick(Melb)
Duncan(Saints)
Jones(Bulldogs)
Lowe(Saints)
Bottin-Noonan(Swans)
Under 15's
Kickett(Hawks)
Murphy(Saints)
Brain(Brisbane)
Stubbs(Hawks)
Perry(Magpies)
Pianta(Carlton)
Lewis(Swans)
Lloyd(Bulldogs)
Webster(Bombers)
Young(Magpies)
As at 13/6/07

Yep, thanx a lot for that Kirky. You can add Max Wilson to Freo for the u/18's and I had heard that Ediriwickrama was at Carlton, but I wasn't 100% sure about that.

[Kirky8865]

The focus on the scheme is to develop AFL in areas where AFL is not a factor.

eg Sydney - North to Qld border.

Long term goal is for a second AFL Sydney based team

The Riverina areas have been developed for many years in comparison to say Nthn NSW. It would defeat the purpose of the scheme to include all other regions as it would not have the desired effect of developing non football regions
AFL is NOT a factor here in the ACT and regions. We would be third in line behind League and Union.
This area needs developing JUST AS MUCH as sydney and north there of.
Unlike sydney we do not have full time access to an AFL team (Swans).
I know you can not get access to swans players and officals but neither can we and we are the same state trying to promote the same game, it must be one in all in, not just an area that someone decides is developed and another that isn't. If you neglect an area then it will wither and die and then people will wonder why.

[swans12]

AFL is NOT a factor here in the ACT and regions. We would be third in line behind League and Union.
This area needs developing JUST AS MUCH as sydney and north there of.
Unlike sydney we do not have full time access to an AFL team (Swans).
I know you can not get access to swans players and officals but neither can we and we are the same state trying to promote the same game, it must be one in all in, not just an area that someone decides is developed and another that isn't. If you neglect an area then it will wither and die and then people will wonder why.

Not debating your point, just stating what the AFL's logic is.

To be honest, I dont see many draftees from this scheme and with the compulsory choice now removed it will probably wither and die.

I think the bigger issue is the idea that a tall athletic kid who has never played the game, can at age 16 have a bigger right to be picked in the State side than an AFL kid who has worked his ass off for 5 years and in match conditions can actually make a footballing decision under pressure.

As someone who has worked for many years coaching junior footballers, I think this logic by NSWACT AFL is a slap in the face to our kids.

It seems you should direct your kids to play another sport, achieve a high level and then move them to AFL at around 15.

Dont let a lack of skill or game sense stand in the way of making you a complete footballer.

[Kirky8865]

To be honest, I dont see many draftees from this scheme and with the compulsory choice now removed it will probably wither and die.
There you go Swans12, maybe one of the reasons clubs have not jumped at the scheme is that they don't agree with all the rules:thumbsd:. Putting a restraint on the AFL clubs as to what areas they can work in and help develop means they may think the effort v's reward is not there.

[Mickent]

The list that I have compiled:
Under 16's:
Strudwick(Melb)
As at 13/6/07

Anyone know anything about Strudwick?

[BLmatt_20]

Anyone know anything about Strudwick?

didn't get to see him play at the carnival (which he played for the Starz) because i was in 15's and was with my team most of the time but he plays for North Shore Wildcats. 181cm and 68kg

[WatchOut]

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Originally Posted by macca69 http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7779001#post7779001)
Might be a bit OT, but there was a bloke playing with NSW today that had Calder Cannons listed as his club, what's the deal with him?


Tony Armstrong is from Brocklesby,Justin Koschitzke's old club and goes to school at Assumption College.


Watched this kid against Geelong Falcons at Warnambool. He did really well and was named in the best. His stats are on the TAC Cup Website.

[Kirky8865]

Anyone know anything about Strudwick?
Teddy played in Darwin last year in 15's schoolboys. He is in the 16's RAMS this year. I have only seen him play in rep footy and he has improved this year. He played very well at Riverview. Like a lot of the team he was quiet against QLD, but he was played in the backline and I'm not sure whether he has had a lot of experience down back. At schoolboys and this year I believe he played on ball/forward.

[Sanguinarius]

there is a fair bit of hype on the crows board (rightly or wrongly) about Walker.

Thing is though, if this is not compulsorary for clubs, then the poorer clubs may not be able to keep involved - which could lead to a bigger gap between the richer and poorer clubs as the rich clubs can effectively buy the talent (from my understanding - which I admit isnt good)

[vinnie_vegas69]

there is a fair bit of hype on the crows board (rightly or wrongly) about Walker.

Thing is though, if this is not compulsorary for clubs, then the poorer clubs may not be able to keep involved - which could lead to a bigger gap between the richer and poorer clubs as the rich clubs can effectively buy the talent (from my understanding - which I admit isnt good)
Well, there is a maximum on the amount that a club can pay the kids, which I believe is $20,000 over the course of the scholarship.

Granted, some poor clubs may not be able to afford this, but I'd imagine that 10 years from now, we'll be looking back and noticing that the success rate of these scholarship kids probably isn't that high, so the risk of the clubs with money getting an unfair advantage through this system will be relatively negligible.

[The Royal Sampler]

Anyone see how the Rams went in their practice match against SA this weekend?

[jo172]

Anyone see how the Rams went in their practice match against SA this weekend?

There's a thread on the Crows board about it.

[Kirky8865]

Well, there is a maximum on the amount that a club can pay the kids, which I believe is $20,000 over the course of the scholarship.

Granted, some poor clubs may not be able to afford this, but I'd imagine that 10 years from now, we'll be looking back and noticing that the success rate of these scholarship kids probably isn't that high, so the risk of the clubs with money getting an unfair advantage through this system will be relatively negligible.
You are close vinnie, it is 20K per year of the scholarship, so it can be a maximum of 60K, but you must realise that the AFL pays 10K per year and the club can pay up to 10K per year. Therefore a boy can get a scholarship from a club and actually pay nothing. (Only offer the 10K from the AFL).
The promoting of the game and the individual improving and taking that knowledge back to his club and possibly improving other individuals is another reason behind this scheme.

[swans12]

You are close vinnie, it is 20K per year of the scholarship, so it can be a maximum of 60K, but you must realise that the AFL pays 10K per year and the club can pay up to 10K per year. Therefore a boy can get a scholarship from a club and actually pay nothing. (Only offer the 10K from the AFL).
The promoting of the game and the individual improving and taking that knowledge back to his club and possibly improving other individuals is another reason behind this scheme.

Thats why I was saying it stinks to think that a number of recipients of these scholarships, are project players from other sports, who after gaining one are then fast tracked over other AFL boys into the state and TPP sides.

And they wonder why we are getting smashed.

[Kirky8865]

Thats why I was saying it stinks to think that a number of recipients of these scholarships, are project players from other sports, who after gaining one are then fast tracked over other AFL boys into the state and TPP sides.

And they wonder why we are getting smashed.
hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm, me thinks swans it not very happy with the scheme. I totally agree mate, but the 16s RAMS this year is a pretty strong side. I dont believe any one got in that didnt deserve too, and more importantly no one missed out to fit in a scholarship recipient.
What he 16's need to realise now is that to compete against the other states is that they must play as a team and do all the little things well. They did it for the first quarter and a half against QLD and where 2 goals up, then stopped doing it and got completely smashed.

[swans12]

Just happened to pick the squad I probably know the most about Kirky.

What about Temple and Lowe ? Both hadn't even kicked a footy till 4 months ago. Good athletes, but what is there decision making like.

I can tell you the AFL clubs demand that their scholarship kids ARE in the sides.

Not unhappy mate, just a little disillusioned I coach at this level and have seen the devastation some kids go through when they miss out to a guy who had played about 10 AFL games.

It is hard to say anything that they can use to deal with the disappointment.

[Kirky8865]

Just happened to pick the squad I probably know the most about Kirky.

What about Temple and Lowe ? Both hadn't even kicked a footy till 4 months ago. Good athletes, but what is there decision making like.

I can tell you the AFL clubs demand that their scholarship kids ARE in the sides.

Not unhappy mate, just a little disillusioned I coach at this level and have seen the devastation some kids go through when they miss out to a guy who had played about 10 AFL games.

It is hard to say anything that they can use to deal with the disappointment.
I know most about this squad as my son is in it.
Have only seen these two in the game against QLD. Neither did much but the same could be said for most of the others as well.
At least the guys you coach are eligble, try coaching in an area that isnt, that is disappointment.
Use the same explanation I use, guys have been getting picked up by AFL/VFL clubs for a long time before these scholarships were introduced and players will get picked up by clubs long after.
I know its tough to swallow but we must keep persevering with the promotion of the game and endevouring to make the guys better.
He who works hardest gets the rewards.

[eastlakes rule]

really i think u should get over it and deal with it.
really you cannot change anything goverened by the AFL.
really if a player is good enough to be in the AFL system, a club wont jus let a player pass by. in the end if the player is good enough from NSW, then they will be selected, whether they are from Murray, Calder or Bendigo and stream into the U18 NSW/ACT rams side for the championships or from Sthrn NSW or Sydney. Although if your from Sydney and hvnt recieved a scholarship, your chances of being selected in the Rams side are slim.

[Kirky8865]

really i think u should get over it and deal with it.
really you cannot change anything goverened by the AFL.
really if a player is good enough to be in the AFL system, a club wont jus let a player pass by. in the end if the player is good enough from NSW, then they will be selected, whether they are from Murray, Calder or Bendigo and stream into the U18 NSW/ACT rams side for the championships or from Sthrn NSW or Sydney. Although if your from Sydney and hvnt recieved a scholarship, your chances of being selected in the Rams side are slim.
I got over it about a year ago eastlakes. I wrote emails and whinged to whoever listened, didnt change anything and we have got on with it. I advise my son to play to the best of his ability and if it happens it happens, with him now playing seniors here it will only improve him as a player and with it the chance of being noticed. I agree with swans though (AFL clubs will want/demand their scholarship players in state teams) and with that then players outside the area MAY be overlooked to fit them in (in the future). If you want to be looked at then playing 18 RAMS is almost mandatory and if there is deals being done to get boys in then that is not right.

[swans12]

I know most about this squad as my son is in it.
Have only seen these two in the game against QLD. Neither did much but the same could be said for most of the others as well.
At least the guys you coach are eligble, try coaching in an area that isnt, that is disappointment.
Use the same explanation I use, guys have been getting picked up by AFL/VFL clubs for a long time before these scholarships were introduced and players will get picked up by clubs long after.
I know its tough to swallow but we must keep persevering with the promotion of the game and endevouring to make the guys better.
He who works hardest gets the rewards.



Believe it or not, the scholarship thing is not even a real goal for most of the guys I coach, its the NSW selection that they strive for.

To be honest I dont care if everyone in NSW is eligible, it is the issue that they are pushing non football kids over my and your AFL kids that annoys me. I am based north of Sydney, so the AFL clubs are not really considering us either, mainly Sydney anyway.

eg. I have a kid that plays with me that has great skills, fantastic both sides, kicks 50m+ both feet, cant tell whether he is left or right footed, great hands, reads the play well, not soft, just missed the 42 player squad by one he was told.

The two players mentioned, not only made the 42, but made the next cut as well. ????

My zone played one of these guys I mentioned a couple of weeks ago and anyone watching could see that my kid and a few others as well may I add were better by a mile and yet missed out to him and others.

Nothing personal, good luck to them, but my player was devastated he mustn't have been "good" enough to even make the 42 and was consequently told that there was no real area that he needs to work on to take the next step.

[eastlakes rule]

I got over it about a year ago eastlakes. I wrote emails and whinged to whoever listened, didnt change anything and we have got on with it. I advise my son to play to the best of his ability and if it happens it happens, with him now playing seniors here it will only improve him as a player and with it the chance of being noticed. I agree with swans though (AFL clubs will want/demand their scholarship players in state teams) and with that then players outside the area MAY be overlooked to fit them in (in the future). If you want to be looked at then playing 18 RAMS is almost mandatory and if there is deals being done to get boys in then that is not right.

it is not mandatory if you are from nsw that you must represent NSW/ACT in order to get recognised. those playing TAC Cup from nsw are looked at each week. and it is apparent that a player who represented NSW/ACT last yr, attended a State Screen, represented Vic vs Allies, was left out of this yrs side in order for those scholarship players.. thats the only real quiery i have.

[Kirky8865]

it is not mandatory if you are from nsw that you must represent NSW/ACT in order to get recognised. those playing TAC Cup from nsw are looked at each week. and it is apparent that a player who represented NSW/ACT last yr, attended a State Screen, represented Vic vs Allies, was left out of this yrs side in order for those scholarship players.. thats the only real quiery i have.
If you stay and play in NSW it would be mandatory to make to state side, most of the boys from NSW that play TAC cup live close to the border or go to school in Vic (again on a school scholarship), but boys in the ACT and north there of would have to get in the state squad to get notice, and you argued for me, a club wanted their boy in and he got in at the expense of someone, very bad for that guy and the area he is from, they wont promote the rep footy, as you will do the work but get shafted in the end by a scholarship guy that an AFL club demand be in.

[Kirky8865]

Believe it or not, the scholarship thing is not even a real goal for most of the guys I coach, its the NSW selection that they strive for.

To be honest I dont care if everyone in NSW is eligible, it is the issue that they are pushing non football kids over my and your AFL kids that annoys me. I am based north of Sydney, so the AFL clubs are not really considering us either, mainly Sydney anyway.

eg. I have a kid that plays with me that has great skills, fantastic both sides, kicks 50m+ both feet, cant tell whether he is left or right footed, great hands, reads the play well, not soft, just missed the 42 player squad by one he was told.

The two players mentioned, not only made the 42, but made the next cut as well. ????

My zone played one of these guys I mentioned a couple of weeks ago and anyone watching could see that my kid and a few others as well may I add were better by a mile and yet missed out to him and others.

Nothing personal, good luck to them, but my player was devastated he mustn't have been "good" enough to even make the 42 and was consequently told that there was no real area that he needs to work on to take the next step.
NSW selection is all my guys can strive for. There will always be some that miss out, bloody hard to take and get over. Tell them to keep working and things will change. Rep footy next year will be different to this, just the same as last year is very different to this year.
I would be approaching the selection squad again and asking what the guys need to do to come under consideration and whatever it is help them with it. Keep up the great work swan and keep promoting the game and the boys.

[swans12]

Likewise,

A couple of boys I have been associated with made the squad, so pretty successful from that point of view.

I never even discuss scholarships with the boys or probably State for that matter, just keep encouraging them to be the best they can be every time they hit the paddock.

Yes it is devastating and yes there are always sob stories, but to be told you have nothing to work on just makes the kid a little confused. More feedback should be the remedy.

My region, was supposed to have a debrief last year, but didn't even bother, so that makes it difficult for the kids.

Not twisted out of shape over this, but as a coach I put in at least a dozen hours a week at club level and another five or six at rep time, all voluntary, but I dont feel NSW ACT has got it quite right yet, so lets hope 2008 and beyond continues too improve and they spend more time on all kids as well as the elite.

[eastlakes rule]

Believe it or not, the scholarship thing is not even a real goal for most of the guys I coach, its the NSW selection that they strive for.

To be honest I dont care if everyone in NSW is eligible, it is the issue that they are pushing non football kids over my and your AFL kids that annoys me. I am based north of Sydney, so the AFL clubs are not really considering us either, mainly Sydney anyway.

eg. I have a kid that plays with me that has great skills, fantastic both sides, kicks 50m+ both feet, cant tell whether he is left or right footed, great hands, reads the play well, not soft, just missed the 42 player squad by one he was told.

The two players mentioned, not only made the 42, but made the next cut as well. ????

My zone played one of these guys I mentioned a couple of weeks ago and anyone watching could see that my kid and a few others as well may I add were better by a mile and yet missed out to him and others.

Nothing personal, good luck to them, but my player was devastated he mustn't have been "good" enough to even make the 42 and was consequently told that there was no real area that he needs to work on to take the next step.

if this particular player did possess those skills, then he would be in that 42..the question is can the kid play, did he even get possession of the football during the game..those scholarship players may hve shown improvment throughout there time in the program, that warrants there selection..maybe these kids that missed out, might not have the hieght or the capabililties to peform at that next level, and coaches can see those little things required at the next level..and in sydney i believe most of the players are constantly undr the eye of development officers monitoring there progress along with the AFL clubs scholarship selectors or what have you..

[bananabenda]

This has been said in other threads on big footy, but I will say it again. Any kid 16 or older, that has played sport at state level, will be given a free ticket into the state team. Especially if they have height. A lot of time and resources are spent fast tracking the player. It stinks.

[eastlakes rule]

agreed

[rooboy_88]

How is young James Wilsen the The roos selection going.

[Kirky8865]

This has been said in other threads on big footy, but I will say it again. Any kid 16 or older, that has played sport at state level, will be given a free ticket into the state team. Especially if they have height. A lot of time and resources are spent fast tracking the player. It stinks.
Sure does banana, but what can you do, if the scholarship giving club demands their player to come in, then it will happen.
Makes a mockery of the whole state selection, if a young bloke works hard and does everything asked of him and then misses out because he hasn't or can't get a scholarship, then its a blight on our game.

[eastlakes rule]

How is young James Wilsen the The roos selection going.

yeh he will most likely be taken by the roos with there selection, where he will either go onto their senior or rookie list..

[bananabenda]

Perhaps we need other codes to start targeting Junior AFL players ie. your son Kirky. Then we might start seeing a change of attitude.

[Kirky8865]

Perhaps we need other codes to start targeting Junior AFL players ie. your son Kirky. Then we might start seeing a change of attitude.
This has already started banana, I know of 2 boys who are now playing union under a scholarship from the ARU. They both played AFL and 1 went to riverview last year with a TPP squad.
My son has been approached by both league and union but to date he has not been interested in there proposals as he wants to play AFL, but if things don't change then I know he will look seriously at their offers.
Their reasoning is exactly the same as what the AFL is doing, give us an athlete and we will teach him our game and fast track you into rep squads.

[eastlakes rule]

by the sounds of it you are depending on a scholarship for u son to be get on an afl clubs list. if he is good enough then he will get drafted by a club or rookie listed. a scholarship isnt the only avenue onto a clubs list, really it is an easy way into the system, whereby everything is just provided to the player, maybe it is benificial that your son has to work a bit harder then those from sydney..

and also, wen rod carter was coaching state sides in NSW/ACT, he placed a further emphasis on sydney kids as it was, so really, it is nothing different to what has been happening for years, whereby sydney kids have a bit more of an advantage.

[Kirky8865]

by the sounds of it you are depending on a scholarship for u son to be get on an afl clubs list. if he is good enough then he will get drafted by a club or rookie listed. a scholarship isnt the only avenue onto a clubs list, really it is an easy way into the system, whereby everything is just provided to the player, maybe it is benificial that your son has to work a bit harder then those from sydney..

and also, wen rod carter was coaching state sides in NSW/ACT, he placed a further emphasis on sydney kids as it was, so really, it is nothing different to what has been happening for years, whereby sydney kids have a bit more of an advantage.
I and he are not depending on a scholarship, but as you say it is an easier way into the system and he will benefit if he is being helped by a club, and once you are in the system your improvement will be accelerated.
With him playing in the seniors in the ACTAFL now, I think it shows that he is working hard and at the moment playing for the tigers at senior level is a bigger thrill for him than anything else.
I agree with you eastlake, if he is good enough he will get the chance, but the greater sydney region is the main area that NSW/ACT AFL seems to be targeting and anything any of us say will not change that tact. Mores the pity and to the detriment of our game as a whole, which I think is more important than just one individual, even though he is my son.

[eastlakes rule]

it isnt placing any real detrement on the game, in sydney, it seems evident that the game is accelarating with the introduction of the scholarship program. with the nsw/act rams appearing to have won 2/3 tac cup games this yr whereby 10 + players are scholarship players, although the coaching staff have left out murray bushrangers who have made the nsw/act u16 + u18 sides last year, and some of whom attented state screens and represented Vic vs allies...also this thread isnt a way of which to advertise your son to a degree in that he is inelligable for a scholarship. its a very small part of the game and once you start worrying about who has and hasnt got a scholarship, is when you lose focus of the real important aspect of the game - playing to the best of your ability..look good on your son for playn 1's with quenbyan, but also there are kids the same age as your son playn TAC Cup football and WAFL colts competition who are also missing out on this same opportunity ti recieve a scholarship.

[Kirky8865]

Agree with you eastlake.:thumbsu:
So do I move him to Vic, SA or WA?
If they are better leagues then he must improve and have a better chance.:cool: This thread is about NSW AFL scholarships and if can't get one:thumbsd: then maybe I should shift him and he can compete with the other guys on a regular basis. If not then he stays here, plays at the highest level available and we will see where the cards fall. We as a family have already floated the idea of moving him to melbourne, and if that is his best chance then we may go that way. As a parent all I want to do is give him the best shot at it.

[eastlakes rule]

u have to be a pretty special talent to be from NSW these days anyways..craig bird didnt even get a chance last yr and was an all australian/ais-afl academy graduate...the nsw system is quite poor, particulary in sthrn nsw region, whereby players dont evn train on a regular basis unlike the sydney squads- players selected in state squads or rising rams...
if he performs well at national championships at u18 level then he gives himself the best possible chance...but really you cant affiord to worry about things you dont have control over such as the scholarship program..

several players from sthrn nsw are no opting to play TAC cup rather then with the Rams, some as far as wagga in one instance..

[Kirky8865]

Another option we have to consider. Your arguement is the same as mine, sth nsw needs help, the defence rests.

[Marto121]

Does anyone here know how U/15 sydney sider kane murphy is going, he is the son of swans great David Murphy and recenlty recieved a scolarship to St.Kilda or some afl scolarship dunno what it was.

[Kirky8865]

Does anyone know how Josh Duncan is?
He took a pretty heavy knock for the 16 RAMS against QLD and was stretchered off.

[borderbarry]

Yes, Kane Murphy was picked up by the Saints.
Tell me, when the kids are old enough to be drafted, what benefit is there to the club that has had him on their list? And in the case of someone like Kane Murphy, would it outweigh Father/Son selection?

[vinnie_vegas69]

What about Temple and Lowe ? Both hadn't even kicked a footy till 4 months ago. Good athletes, but what is there decision making like.

I can tell you the AFL clubs demand that their scholarship kids ARE in the sides.

Not unhappy mate, just a little disillusioned I coach at this level and have seen the devastation some kids go through when they miss out to a guy who had played about 10 AFL games.

It is hard to say anything that they can use to deal with the disappointment.
It does kind of stink right now, but what these scholarships do is encourage kids from the central coast to get into AFL at a younger age, knowing that if they are impressive enough, they could be in line for a scholarship.

So in other words, they might switch over to AFL on their own at about 13-14 knowing that the potential scholarship is there, and so they will actually get more experience playing Aussie Rules than they currently have when being switched over from another sport.

[Kirky8865]

Yes, Kane Murphy was picked up by the Saints.
Tell me, when the kids are old enough to be drafted, what benefit is there to the club that has had him on their list? And in the case of someone like Kane Murphy, would it outweigh Father/Son selection?
The clubs declare before the draft if they are going to take their scholarship player, in other words they will get first chance at drafting him. Very good question about which rule will carry the most weight, father/son or scholarship, probably just another aspect of this scheme that the AFL haven't thought through.

[its game on]

The clubs declare before the draft if they are going to take their scholarship player, in other words they will get first chance at drafting him. Very good question about which rule will carry the most weight, father/son or scholarship, probably just another aspect of this scheme that the AFL haven't thought through.

The club that provides the scholarship has first rights over their sponsored player. The reason that Kane was sponsored is that Beveridge the St Kilda scout spotted him at the U/15 VLine series at Easter in Melbourne.

I know that St Kilda's thinking is that they see no likely father/son prospects for the next 3 or so seasons where they can use the father/son rule, so the next stategy is provide a scholarship for a NSW player.

I've seen Kane (who is one of the nicest kids you'd ever meet too, probably also had a fair bit to do with the scholarship offer) play many games, and he deserves all the rewards he will get.

[no orange peeler]

by the sounds of it you are depending on a scholarship for u son to be get on an afl clubs list. if he is good enough then he will get drafted by a club or rookie listed. a scholarship isnt the only avenue onto a clubs list, really it is an easy way into the system, whereby everything is just provided to the player, maybe it is benificial that your son has to work a bit harder then those from sydney..

and also, wen rod carter was coaching state sides in NSW/ACT, he placed a further emphasis on sydney kids as it was, so really, it is nothing different to what has been happening for years, whereby sydney kids have a bit more of an advantage.
Your dead right about that. I remember in 98 when the RAMS were still in the TAC Cup that there were players picked for the nationals from Sydney who were on the RAMS list that couldn't get a game with the RAMS. The whole Rams concept has reeked of Sydney Biased from the start. The original general manager Ron Roach has confirmed this on a number of occasions. Sydney were filthy that the side was based in Canberra instead of Sydney. The AFL NSW/ACT concept was another inititave formulated to ultimately strenghten the AFL's grip in Sydney. Not Canberra or Wagga or the MIA. The scholaship program is a reasonable program but as the sentiments are it shouldn't be pigeon holed to a specific area of the state. Because as you see already kids are having to move from from there homes to Melbourne or Sydney just so they can have a more then even chance to be looked at. I know for a fact that the swans management was filthy with Rodney Eade and his recruiting staff for letting local juniors such as Lenny Hayes, Mark McVeigh, Cameron Mooney to mention a few get through there system without even getting peeped at. Kirky knowing you and your son well, if it doesn't work out being based in Canberra maybe a shift south for him or the family might be the way to go. (which you shouldn't have to do) Although it would be a great lost to Queanbeyan as Jeremy could well be the next Mark Armstrong of the club. Good Luck with it anyway.

[no orange peeler]

Another option we have to consider. Your arguement is the same as mine, sth nsw needs help, the defence rests.
He'd be more than welcome to rent a room off me in albury kirky and have him play with the Bushrangers in the TAC cup.