Match Ups vs Port [Archive]

mathew ollaik

10 Jun 2007, 12:47

Longy413

10 Jun 2007, 13:20

I doubt each teams respective small forwards will play on each other.

Bolton to Cornes, Cornes won't go to Lucas because Scotty will take him to the square.

McPhee is a better match-up for Ebert, Mark Johnson to Rodan.

GoDons

10 Jun 2007, 13:43

I wouldn't be surprised to see Fletch go to Ebert and play a similar role to the one he did against Scott Welsh in Round 1.

bomberstomake8

10 Jun 2007, 14:45

Michael - Tredrea
Ryder - Lade
Fletcher - Free in back-line
M.Johnson - Ebert
Mcphee - White
Slattery - S. Burgoyne
Bolton - Westhoff
Winderlich - Pearce
Camporale - Salopek
Pevrill - K.Cornes
Hird - Cassisi
Mcveigh - Rodan
J.Johnson - P.Burgoyne
Hille - Brogan
Surjan - Free in Back-Line
Lucas - C.Cornes
Davey - Krakouer
Monfries - Wilson
Whoever comes in for stanton - Gray
Welsh - Symes
Lloyd - Wakelin
Laycock - Pettigrew

Thoughts?

has there been something i havent heard on stanton? i heard in a post match press conference that he just rolled his ankle was nothing overly serious..

westoff kicked 4.2 against the blues, should we show him a bit more respect than bolton?

will slattery have the pase to keep up with S. Burgoyne? i was thinking slattery on K. Cornes..

the rest seems about right, i think we needto keep fletch as a lose man in every match, he would be the best loose man to have in the game atm imo

donsman4eva

10 Jun 2007, 20:32

has there been something i havent heard on stanton? i heard in a post match press conference that he just rolled his ankle was nothing overly serious..

westoff kicked 4.2 against the blues, should we show him a bit more respect than bolton?

will slattery have the pase to keep up with S. Burgoyne? i was thinking slattery on K. Cornes..

the rest seems about right, i think we needto keep fletch as a lose man in every match, he would be the best loose man to have in the game atm imo
He would have the pace to tag Burgoyne, but i think Kornes is a better matchup anyway.

bossco

10 Jun 2007, 20:38

has there been something i havent heard on stanton? i heard in a post match press conference that he just rolled his ankle was nothing overly serious..

westoff kicked 4.2 against the blues, should we show him a bit more respect than bolton?

will slattery have the pase to keep up with S. Burgoyne? i was thinking slattery on K. Cornes..

the rest seems about right, i think we needto keep fletch as a lose man in every match, he would be the best loose man to have in the game atm imo

Giving him bolton is more respect than he deserves, who the hell is westoff? Slattery seemed to have the pace to keep with kerr, if he handled him he'll handle anyone

GmeUP

10 Jun 2007, 20:42

bomberstomake8

11 Jun 2007, 11:47

I would prefer Slats on Kane Cornes, Bolton to take Chad Cornes and McPhee as our loose man in defense given Fletchers ability to still contribute whilst containing where mcPhee seems less valuable when matched up.

nah you cant go past fletcher as a loose man, port dont really have any awesome forwards at the momment so mcphee wont have to contain anyone who is good enough to kick a bag... i dont think choco will allow bolton to play on chad chornes, i have a feeling chad will go to lucas and try to play off him every chance.. although bolton playing on cornes would be the perfect match up for us.

EssendonPride

11 Jun 2007, 11:59

nah you cant go past fletcher as a loose man, port dont really have any awesome forwards at the momment so mcphee wont have to contain anyone who is good enough to kick a bag... i dont think choco will allow bolton to play on chad chornes, i have a feeling chad will go to lucas and try to play off him every chance.. although bolton playing on cornes would be the perfect match up for us.

In that case, as has been said, Lucas will just go to the square.
Cornes certainly won't be comfortable there and he'll be out of the play. I'd back Lucas in a 1 on 1 every time.

Ealesy

11 Jun 2007, 12:02

When will people learn....Mark Bolton should not be used in the backline, unless it is as a free man to help provide run and rebound out of the backline. Should not be used to mark a forward.

mathew ollaik

11 Jun 2007, 12:06

When will people learn....Mark Bolton should not be used in the backline, unless it is as a free man to help provide run and rebound out of the backline. Should not be used to mark a forward.

I got a good idea. How about play him on Chad Cornes. Bolton is a gun tagger and has the ability to run all day.
Thoughts?

DonMania#5

11 Jun 2007, 13:37

Sheedy said that Stanton was a big chance to play against Port so i wouldn't rub him out just yet.

2121

11 Jun 2007, 13:56

Giving him bolton is more respect than he deserves, who the hell is westoff?
Westoff has played 2 senior games kicked 8 goals.
If you underrate him ill ensure you he'll kick 4-5 goals.

GoDons

11 Jun 2007, 14:42

Westoff has played 2 senior games kicked 8 goals.
If you underrate him ill ensure you he'll kick 4-5 goals.

For one, he's kicked 7 goals.

For two, the chances of him coming up a third time are very small. All the same, Essendon will pick him up with Ryder or Fletcher I would think. I have no doubt that both would be given a license to play off him though.

J.Hetfield

11 Jun 2007, 15:14

Still a line ball game i reckon...Fletcher has to be free..But i reckon Choco will man him up but that shouldnt affect things too much. If Slatts can do a job like last week we are well on the way..Stants wont play...Which makes me think McPhee to midfield..

angus6

11 Jun 2007, 18:31

donsman4eva

11 Jun 2007, 18:36

Not showing enough respect to K. Cornes. Would rather tag him that Pearce.

GoDons

11 Jun 2007, 18:55

Not showing enough respect to K. Cornes. Would rather tag him that Pearce.

He's not really a player that gets tagged for the simple reason that he's never going to take a game a way from you. He'll get a lot of it whether he's tagged or not but either way, he's not going to destroy you.

Danyle Pearce on the other hand can destroy you with his pace through the midfield and also has a keen eye for the goals. Pearce can be a genuine gamebreaker.

If I was looking to tag players, I'd be thinking Shaun Burgoyne definately and a player going with Peter Burgoyne or Danyle Pearce depending on which one spends more time in the middle.

GoDons

11 Jun 2007, 19:13

mcphee to play on westhoff
mal to play on tredre
ryder to play on white
fletcher the loose man
mark johnson on ebert
bolton to tag c cornes
pev to get s burgoyne
slattery to get p burgoyne
mcveigh to play on pearce
watson or jj with k cornes

thoughts?

Not a bad effort.

I think you've got it right in regard to McPhee and Ryder playing on Westhoff and White. As for which one goes to which, McPhee will play on the one that plays further up the ground which will have to happen because it's inconceivable that they would load their deep forward line with 3 talls. Ryder will be kept closer to goal.

Mal should go with Tredrea. A perfect match-up for him really.

I think Fletch will go to Ebert and play a similar role to the one he did on Scott Welsh in round 1. Fletch will easily be able to cover him in marking contests given his height and I can't see Ebert having any great desire to go with Fletch when he moves up the ground. I think this will leave Mark Johnson on Rodan.

Bolton should go with Chad Cornes, after all he's perfectly suited to him.

I think you're right again in that Pev, Slatts and McVeigh will battle Shaun Burgoyne, Peter Burgoyne and Pearce. I think Pev should go with Shaun Burgoyne, as for who goes to the others depends on where they line up as not all 3 will start in the middle. I think Slatts will play on the one that starts up forward and McVeigh will go with the one in the middle or on a wing.

I can't see Watson or JJ going with anyone as they're primary goal is getting the contested ball, not following a man around. I would be pretty sure they'll allow Kane Cornes to do his thing and he'll allow our players to do their thing. Kane's not going to take the game away from us, and his impact is pretty hard to prevent in the first place. If he plays attacking, we'll benefit from a more open player as well.

As for who goes with us, I think Symes will probably get the job on Hird if he goes forward. If he goes through the midfield, it's not inconceivable that Kane Cornes will go back to his tagging days and attempt to do the job.

If Stanton plays, I'd expect Dominic Cassisi to get the job on him.

Jacobs Surjan will probably mark Alwyn Davey with Michael Wilson the other possible.

Wakelin is the obvious match-up for Lloyd and Thurstans will probably go with Lucas.

Longy413

11 Jun 2007, 21:41

Not showing enough respect to K. Cornes. Would rather tag him that Pearce.

Kane Cornes normally goes to an opponent.
He's our version (albeit a better one) of Pev.

He'll probably go to Stanton.

B-Bomber

11 Jun 2007, 22:33

Let's for a moment analyse that list of Essendon players to demonstrate the enormous chasm between them and our current 22.

Michael - hasn't let Barry Hall or Quentin Lynch have a sniff in recent weeks against two sides which do get the ball forward with some skill and purpose to their forwards. Our only hope is that he won't be available due to suspension for that spear tackle.
Ryder - Everyone is raving about him although I haven't been as convinced from what I have seen (then there is always this week). May well get the job on Westhoff, so could be an interesting test for both players.
Fletcher - Free in back-line - Precisely! If WCE and Swans can't address this problem, then how the hell are we going to. We have the least accountable side in the comp and our forward line's defensive pressure is non-existent. Fletcher will get another 25+ touches.
M.Johnson - Ebert. OK fair matchup, but Brett's not in great form and Mark Johnson always provides a contest. I can't see us winning this battle by enough to compensate for the other matchup problems we have.
Mcphee - White. In all honesty I hope White doesn't play. McPhee seems to get alot of it without really hurting the opposition. Essendon have alot of taller utility players and I'd like us to play Pettigrew in that role this week to see if we can't create a matchup problem midfield.
Slattery - S. Burgoyne. I am extremely impressed by Slattery! His tackling and work ethic are inspiring. He has a ready made AFL body. If he can rip the heart out of Daniel Kerr whose work ethic is exemplary, there is a real concern that JB won't work anywhere near hard enough to win this matchup.
Bolton - Westhoff. Yeah, I don't know about this matchup. Bolton seems to be going ok for him. Obviously he allows Fletcher to play loose which is what you guys are about.
Winderlich - Pearce. Winderlich is using his pace to burn opposition sides off. Pearce is not. Winderlich has teammates (Watson, Slattery, Peverill, Johnson J, McVeigh) working hard to get the footy into space for him to run. Pearce does not.
Camporale - Salopek. We might just have the better of a matchup like this, but really Sal is not a matchwinner and it's little compensation if we win a battle like this one.
Pevrill - K.Cornes. Herein lies the difference between the two teams. Both players can be questioned for their indifferent disposal. The difference is that one player seems to get the ball in traffic (Peverill) and thereby helps his more polished teammates. The other does not.
Hird - Cassisi. Hird is in stunning form. Cassisi is going ok. Will do his best on Hird, but if he doesn't get support from teammates winning their positions, the class of Hird will prevail.
Mcveigh - Rodan. Probably the matchup that I would consider most even. Rodan is our heartbeat - pity it can't sustain the viability of more than our right ear at the moment. McVeigh seems to have gone up another level. We can't even come out clear in a matchup involving our hardest working player.
J.Johnson - P.Burgoyne. I like J. Johnson - Peter Burgoyne is not playing well.
Hille - Brogan. Broges will give his best, but we couldn't come out on top of Ackland and the Hawthorn duo. Hille is going great-guns. Honestly will be tough for our guys to get much of an advantage in the ruck over him, while he is better around the ground.
Davey - will be picked up by Surjan. Will still kick his 1-2 (or 3 on Aami) and lift his side by his chases and tackling.
Lucas - Thurstans will get him and he will kick 4-5. Toby will try hard but your quick, long movement to the forward line will be too much for Toby.
Monfries - I expect Symes to get Monfries and it will be an honest contest between two good players. No real winner other than the fact Monfries will get more support from teammates and will still have enough opportunities to kick goals.
Watson - extremely under-rated clearance player. Forget his disposal, I must have seen him lift the Bombers by winning centre-square clearances on at least four separate occasions this year.
Welsh - Match him up with Wilson. Bit like Rodan/McVeigh. Welsh is an admirable little hardnut. Wlbur will hold his own but won't be a decisive winner.
Lloyd - Wakelin - Wakes will do ok in this one, but you don't need Lloyd kicking goals with Lucas and Hird's form.
Laycock - Lade - Ladey is in average form at the moment and needs to lift.

To summarise: your senior players (Hird, Lucas, Fletcher, Michael, Peverill, McVeigh, Johnsonx2, Welsh, Lloyd, Hille) are playing much better than our senior guys. Our senior players don't have the toughness, leadership or form required to match your group.
Your youngsters are as good as ours and work harder and are better led and supported by the senior blokes.

We will struggle. It would take an enormous improvement from our players to be competitive to the point we are still in the match during the last quarter. Most of this lift will need to come from Peter and Shaun Burgoyne, Pearce, Lade, Brogan and Kane Cornes. Our backline which looks shaky needs that group of players to help it by them being accountable for their direct opponents.

Right now I'd take a centre-square with Hille, Watson, J. Johnson, Slattery over one with Lade, Burgoynesx2 and either Cornes boy.
Says alot about where we are at.

This is what one of the Port supporters thinks about the match-ups. I know that we can't be as complacent as this guy makes out but he certainly makes a good point -- When I read this post I took a moment to be selfish and actually be confident coming into this one. Just a moment ;)

RED AND BLACK SOLDIER

11 Jun 2007, 23:40

That's a very flattering you found by 'PJ Power', the way he talks about the matchups, it's like he thinks they are going to get smashed. We've got them covered all around the ground, except in the midfield we're about even IMO. So if we beat them through the midfield we should win.
It's wierd, because not long ago we were talking about which games we could win from Sydney, WC and Port, we were thinking that it'd be good to win at least 1 of them and now wer'e a chance to beat all 3!

Pevers-Legend

12 Jun 2007, 14:44

Mal on Tredrea. This, like Brown and Hall is a guy who has obliterated us in the past and we have a very good match up now for him.

Brings a smile to my face that we finally have a legitimate match up for Tredrea size wise.:thumbsu:

rioli brownlow

12 Jun 2007, 22:05

bomberstomake8

13 Jun 2007, 13:55

i would like to see alwyn or winders on p.burgoyne.
pev on s.burgoyne
mcveigh on pearce
m.j on ebert

alwyn doesnt have the engine to run with p. burgoyne... would die out after half a quarter, winders has the engine and speed but i think we need winders to play an attacking role not a defensive one..
we dont raelly need slattery down back at this stage i would prefer him to a tagging role on s.burgoyne or could even go onto kane cornes.. loved slatts performance on kerr last week, one of my favourite players.. mcveigh i feel is best used in a defensive role but also one that can run off his player like he did against luke power.. mcveigh on pearce is probably a good one in that i think pearce isnt a very good defensive player more an attacking one, so if mcveigh could shut down his attack then he could run off him and be a real target for us..
eberts in bad form so MJ should be okay on him

im particularly worried about tredre, he used to be in the top 3 forwards in the league, it is his 200th game and the guys from adelaide have been pumping him up in the media, i htink he is set for a big one i just hope mal can contain him...
westoff v ryder will be an interesting battle of the youngsters looking forward to it..

hopefully lloyd can clean up chad cornes again and reduce his impact..

idont think choco will let bolton run with cornes... cornes will play on lucas imo and try to run off him as much as possible, if we can get the cornes v bolton match up it will be a real positive and maybe a deciding factor in this game as i feel bolton would put a number on him like he does goodes..

jnash196

13 Jun 2007, 14:07

I think simplay Bolton on Chad when he goes forward and when in the backline put Lucas deep in the square. I don't feel Kane needs to be tagged as his 30 possessions don't do anything, let him get them. Burgoyne is much more important to tag