View Full Version : Polly's game today
raffrox
10 Jun 2007, 22:27
It's time to admit it. No matter what we got in return and how it all happened Polly is a significant loss to our team. The guy is an onfield leader at the Tiges now. I know they are crap at the moment but Freo stuffed it by not keeping him. He really impressed me today.
In the end through the mismanagement of him and his talent he had us over a barrel at the end of last year and we lost him for basically nothing.
I'm sick of Freo doing things like this. Add him to Clement and McPhee of guys we'll have to watch kicking butt for the next ten years when they couldn't get a game for us.
footyfan_25
10 Jun 2007, 22:36
It's time to admit it. No matter what we got in return and how it all happened Polly is a significant loss to our team. The guy is an onfield leader at the Tiges now. I know they are crap at the moment but Freo stuffed it by not keeping him. He really impressed me today.
In the end through the mismanagement of him and his talent he had us over a barrel at the end of last year and we lost him for basically nothing.
I'm sick of Freo doing things like this. Add him to Clement and McPhee of guys we'll have to watch kicking butt for the next ten years when they couldn't get a game for us.
Good to see a Freo supporter say something positive about Polak :thumbsu:
dominguez
10 Jun 2007, 22:37
The players weren't switched on early, and neither were the supporters. I think I was the only one booing him in the first quarter at the city end, disappointing effort people!
Polak was a unique situation. He didn't get along with Connolly, and due to his off field problems we didn't get a fair return. A couple of things conspired against us, some of which we can't discuss in these forums.
nezasaur
10 Jun 2007, 22:38
Someone on here was saying that freo wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave?
Besides, most people know Polak's problems weren't on the field, and the move may have been necessary to fix that up. I don't think we would have seen the same Graham Polak as we are seeing now if he had stayed out west.
chook2734
10 Jun 2007, 22:38
It's time to admit it. No matter what we got in return and how it all happened Polly is a significant loss to our team. The guy is an onfield leader at the Tiges now. I know they are crap at the moment but Freo stuffed it by not keeping him. He really impressed me today.
In the end through the mismanagement of him and his talent he had us over a barrel at the end of last year and we lost him for basically nothing.
I'm sick of Freo doing things like this. Add him to Clement and McPhee of guys we'll have to watch kicking butt for the next ten years when they couldn't get a game for us.
raffrox, I've always been a big fan of Polly's, but in all honesty, who do you think he would replace in the 22? He doesn't play on an opponent ( McPhee is worse - superstar on his own, useless when he's made accountable) and his kicking has always been a little bit suspect. I really couldn't see him being ahead of Mundy, Thornton or Johnson in the Freo side, and I don't believe he is a forward, regardless of how much he wants to be.
krustyman
10 Jun 2007, 22:39
if your offloading anymore players tigers wont mind having some sent their way. freo has got heaps of them floating around.
It's time to admit it. No matter what we got in return and how it all happened Polly is a significant loss to our team. The guy is an onfield leader at the Tiges now. I know they are crap at the moment but Freo stuffed it by not keeping him. He really impressed me today.
In the end through the mismanagement of him and his talent he had us over a barrel at the end of last year and we lost him for basically nothing.
I'm sick of Freo doing things like this. Add him to Clement and McPhee of guys we'll have to watch kicking butt for the next ten years when they couldn't get a game for us.
He is Playing the role he is good at LOOSE man. Did the same for us and did it just as well when we used him in that role. It is the only string to his bow, and its the only one he will ever have.
He is Playing the role he is good at LOOSE man. Did the same for us and did it just as well when we used him in that role. It is the only string to his bow, and its the only one he will ever have.
Yep as soon as Scotty too Hotty manned Him up his influence was negated.
macka6210
10 Jun 2007, 22:43
while i respect that polak had an average game the fact he didnt get along with the coach and his off field problems could have been a bigger disadvantage that what he produced at fremantle . lets not be too hasty to judge its round 12 and while he is playing ok any backman should, in a team thats not one a game yet . but must agree he might be a player we trade our first 3 draft picks to get back in 3 or 4 years time due to hisinfluence in the game .( i hope by then we have learnt not to do this anymore )
footyfan_25
10 Jun 2007, 22:43
I don't think we would have seen the same Graham Polak as we are seeing now if he had stayed out west.
I reckon the same could be said about Rodan. Had his chance at tigerland, didn't do anything and now he is a different player at Port. Would have never done the same thing at Richmond.
Sometimes the change of environment does wonders for a player :thumbsu:
chook2734
10 Jun 2007, 22:49
I reckon the same could be said about Rodan. Had his chance at tigerland, didn't do anything and now he is a different player at Port. Would have never done the same thing at Richmond.
Sometimes the change of environment does wonders for a player :thumbsu:
I think that's been pretty evident all round for our trades this year. As a team Freo had moved on from Polak and Medhurst, and both seem to be fitting in quite well at their new clubs. Taz and Solly both reached a point where they needed a change of scenery and I don't think we could have asked any more of either of them (other than Solly bringing his umpire/mrp blinder with him from Essendon - how on earth did he have a 5 year good record when he got here?)
dominguez
10 Jun 2007, 22:52
if your offloading anymore players tigers wont mind having some sent their way. freo has got heaps of them floating around.
We don't off load them, you pinch them. Hopefully when we are really shit and anchored to the bottom we can pinch some of your players.
dominguez
10 Jun 2007, 22:54
Someone on here was saying that freo wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave?
Besides, most people know Polak's problems weren't on the field, and the move may have been necessary to fix that up. I don't think we would have seen the same Graham Polak as we are seeing now if he had stayed out west.
Definately.
Definately.
Kenny_01
10 Jun 2007, 23:05
No big loss. Cannot hold down a key position, but is good when playing 'free' and 'unaccountable' footy. Has an unreal pair of hands though.
Dr Ralph Dagg
10 Jun 2007, 23:06
My 20c worth is the Polly seems to have thrived on someone believing in him. He showed plenty of what he showed today at Freo not consistently. Some of his marks today would be top shelf in any era.
And I don't think we miss him as much as Richmond needed him.
raffrox
10 Jun 2007, 23:30
It's a bit of the James Clement argument with the 'who would he replace in the team' line. I've seen more than a few people say, we had Parker, didn't need him. Thats obvious bunk and I reckon Polly has a fair chance of being the same.
If you have the Freo Wall to Wall dvd check out Pollys play on Brown in the Lions game we just win. Definitely has the ability to be a big defender. We need big defenders IMO.
I reckon the same could be said about Rodan. Had his chance at tigerland, didn't do anything and now he is a different player at Port. Would have never done the same thing at Richmond.
Sometimes the change of environment does wonders for a player :thumbsu:
Rubbish. Rodan is still averaging the same amount of possessions at Port that he was at Richmond. The only thing is that Port can afford (or at least chooses to) carry a player of Rodan's ilk. We don't miss Rodan one little bit. Edwards comes in to our team and is 20 times the player that Rodan will ever be.
Sorry Freo fans. I know the rules and I realise that this is your board but couldn't help myself.
chook2734
10 Jun 2007, 23:38
I don't think Polly would replace either Grover or McPharlin though. If we didn't have Tarrant and had to move McPharlin forward for some reason, then yes, there is possibly a spot for Polly. Johnson is way ahead of him in terms of versatility and I think both Thornton and Mundy would be played ahead of him. There is no chance he would get a game in our forward line, unless the unthinkable happened and we lost 3 or 4 of our key forwards at the same time.
In the end, it doesn't really matter. He wanted to leave and he got to where he wanted to go. The trade helped us to get Tarrant, and there is no way I'd give him up for Polly. Hopefully he has a long and successful career, but I think the move was the best thing for everyone.
Tony_Clifton
10 Jun 2007, 23:45
Polak played really well. Good luck to him and the tigers. We didn't get a lot at the trade table but in saying that Polak was a risky pick up. The Tigers gambled on Polak and it looks to have paid them a healthy dividend.
I'm pretty sure that if he had of stayed it would've been a frustrating year for all concerned.
raffrox
10 Jun 2007, 23:53
Polak played really well. Good luck to him and the tigers. We didn't get a lot at the trade table but in saying that Polak was a risky pick up. The Tigers gambled on Polak and it looks to have paid them a healthy dividend.
I'm pretty sure that if he had of stayed it would've been a frustrating year for all concerned.
Thats more my issue I think. I agree with what you are saying Tony and I think good teams make it work with guys who have talent.
We didn't unfortunately.
Andrew Embley at WC is an example of how it can work. He was a lunatic party-goer early in his career, now hes a Norm Smith medalist.
My 20c worth is the Polly seems to have thrived on someone believing in him. He showed plenty of what he showed today at Freo not consistently. Some of his marks today would be top shelf in any era.
And I don't think we miss him as much as Richmond needed him.
You're deadset kidding yourself if you think all Polak was lacking over here was someone believing in him.
What Polak needed was someone to belt the sh!t out of him.
NiGHTFuRY
11 Jun 2007, 02:34
Someone on here was saying that freo wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave?
Besides, most people know Polak's problems weren't on the field, and the move may have been necessary to fix that up. I don't think we would have seen the same Graham Polak as we are seeing now if he had stayed out west.
Exactely.
Johnson was playing loose man at the other end of the ground to counter Polak. Johnson played a much better game and once Thornton was moved on to Polak he did next to nothing. Polak played just as good as he did against us, as when he played for us in that loose man back role. He still couldnt get a game and when you see performances like Johnson's you can't expect that anything would have changed this year.
Godd Riddance
theGav56
11 Jun 2007, 22:09
He looked good as a loose man in defence, but in a game where a dominant forward from the opposition marked everything that came his way, why wasn't Polak actually asked to man him up, or even play on him? Until he can take on one of the two best talls in an oposition forward line and beat them or at least break even, he is just an ordinary player.
Freo Big Fella
11 Jun 2007, 22:13
Wallet has turned him into a third Bowden brother. Where was he when Pavlich was dominating or Headland was running rampant?
We've already got Jonno who plays the loose man role far better than the Two Pot Screamer. Happy to see the back of him.
Dr Zoiburg
11 Jun 2007, 22:19
Easy to get a whole heap of marks if you dont have to man up. Just float around and get posessions. He has taken Bowdens job cause he is a better mark.
Everything else aside though he is a sensational grab.
Wallet has turned him into a third Bowden brother. Where was he when Pavlich was dominating or Headland was running rampant?
We've already got Jonno who plays the loose man role far better than the Two Pot Screamer. Happy to see the back of him.
Did you say two and pot?
Cerpin Taxt
12 Jun 2007, 00:49
Polak would never have got to this level at Freo. You can look at the situation and say it's a shame you don't have that player, but that player wasn't at Fremantle and never would've been.
Polak would never have got to this level at Freo. You can look at the situation and say it's a shame you don't have that player, but that player wasn't at Fremantle and never would've been.
Settle down. He's not playing that well.
chook2734
12 Jun 2007, 01:48
Polak took the soft option by going to Richmond. He knew he was guaranteed a game week in week out and that Wallace would do whatever it took to make him look good.
If he had stayed at Freo he would have had to work hard to earn a position. He would have had to learn to play on an opponent, not just get the easy possessions that come with being a loose man. I don't think he comes close to competing with any of our current back 6 as far as versatility or defensive work.
Richmond and Polly may think they're one up on Freo, but unless Wallace really shows some faith in him and makes him develop as a footballer, they will be the real losers in the trade.
Purple Passion
12 Jun 2007, 01:50
I don't know why people say we let him go, isn't the situation that he asked to leave and thus i am dissapointed when our own supporters post this dribble as if he's some sort of star but ask yourself this did he ever play a game like that for us or even try and show some interest in footy he was out partying and getting stoned so no matter how great he becomes why should we keep debating it like he is heart and soul stuff when he pissed off to Melbourne even After the Club didn't want to trade him and knew that they would never be adequately compensated for his true value and potential
Jeff White board
santa claws
12 Jun 2007, 01:55
sheesh people i can see another promising tall lad wanting out of your club. what did ryan murphy ever do wrong. ya know id take murphy over tarrant anyday. blokes who cant kick always come back to haunt you in the end. i should know just look at my club and the game on sunday.
Purple Passion
12 Jun 2007, 02:00
sheesh people i can see another promising tall lad wanting out of your club. what did ryan murphy ever do wrong. ya know id take murphy over tarrant anyday. blokes who cant kick always come back to haunt you in the end. i should know just look at my club and the game on sunday.
He's contracted and not going anywhere before 2008 but thats not an issue because as long as we get 1st round draft pick and a couple of swaps in the picks as well
Adequate compensation is the key issue if you leave a club at least have the decency to not f**k them over
chook2734
12 Jun 2007, 02:01
sheesh people i can see another promising tall lad wanting out of your club. what did ryan murphy ever do wrong. ya know id take murphy over tarrant anyday. blokes who cant kick always come back to haunt you in the end. i should know just look at my club and the game on sunday.
Nice to see you don't have a club to support there santa. If you took some time to watch a bit of the footy, you would see that the difference between Taz and Murphy is attitude. Taz wants to play - and he's been playing exceptionally well. Murph wants everyone else to do the hard work and let him kick all the goals. There is a spot waiting for Murphy whenever he decides he's ready to work for it. This rubbish about the two of them competing for the same position is only said by people who have no idea. One is a stay at home full forward, the other a roaming half-forward. How can they be competing for the same spot?
santa claws
12 Jun 2007, 02:28
Nice to see you don't have a club to support there santa. If you took some time to watch a bit of the footy, you would see that the difference between Taz and Murphy is attitude. Taz wants to play - and he's been playing exceptionally well. Murph wants everyone else to do the hard work and let him kick all the goals. There is a spot waiting for Murphy whenever he decides he's ready to work for it. This rubbish about the two of them competing for the same position is only said by people who have no idea. One is a stay at home full forward, the other a roaming half-forward. How can they be competing for the same spot?
is that the same sort of attitude polak supposedly had. murphy looked great the last third of last yr and along comes tarrant who cant finish to save himself and all of a sudden murphy cant get a game.not tarrants fault but your coaches.im led to believe murphy is a little pissed of atm. by the way im a richmond supporter based in perth.and i reckon ive seen more games of footy than your ever likely to see in your lifetime. and just for the record i believe your forward line set up should be murphy at ff pav at chf and tarrant on a hff.
Freo Blood
12 Jun 2007, 02:29
Polak would never have got to this level at Freo. You can look at the situation and say it's a shame you don't have that player, but that player wasn't at Fremantle and never would've been.
You are a goose. He got to that level and beyond at Freo. I remember 1 game in particular against your feathered fowl where he towelled up your ruck (after Seaby king hit Sandilands behind play) to pull out the win for us.
chook2734
12 Jun 2007, 09:42
is that the same sort of attitude polak supposedly had. murphy looked great the last third of last yr and along comes tarrant who cant finish to save himself and all of a sudden murphy cant get a game.not tarrants fault but your coaches.im led to believe murphy is a little pissed of atm. by the way im a richmond supporter based in perth.and i reckon ive seen more games of footy than your ever likely to see in your lifetime. and just for the record i believe your forward line set up should be murphy at ff pav at chf and tarrant on a hff.
I certainly hope that Murphy is not going to go down the same path as Polak - it would be a real shame for not only the Dockers, but for Murphy himself.
Go back to the pre-season and look over the Freo games - you can't tell me Murphy wasn't given a go in every one of those games. He even got a game in round 1 when he hadn't touched the ball in a month. The main reason he lost his spot was because Campbell was in super form at West Perth and wouldn't allow the match committee to dismiss him - that is who he is competing with, not Tarrant. People criticise coaches for playing players on reputation rather than form, but everyone seems to want to make an exception in Murphy's case.
For what it's worth, I agree on your forward set-up, and I think you will find that our coaches would love to see it happen in the second half of this year (along with Farmer in a pocket), but it's up to Murphy to demand that position. I still think Campbell is more deserving of it at this point in time.
theGav56
12 Jun 2007, 13:24
For what it's worth, I agree on your forward set-up, and I think you will find that our coaches would love to see it happen in the second half of this year (along with Farmer in a pocket), but it's up to Murphy to demand that position. I still think Campbell is more deserving of it at this point in time.
I agree, and it is clearly the prefered set up of the coaching staff. However, murphy's early season form was poor, and Campbell's in contrast good, so he forced Murphy out. That is a very positive thing. One of either Murphy or Campbell is going to miss out as they are competing for the same posotion. tarrant is competing for a position with.... not sure. Perhaps Webster. Or one of our tall backmen to move forward. Drum maybe.
ImperialPurple
12 Jun 2007, 13:28
And at the moment, Murph is playing one or two good quarters a game for South Freo, but is not putting together consistent 4-quarter efforts. He's absolutely outstanding when he pulls his finegr out at WAFL level, but unofrtunately he doesn't do it for entire games. I think the match committee rate Murphy >>> Campbell - but at the moment, Campbell is playing better at WAFL level, and does well when he gets the call-up, and so deserves to be in front of him.
Slacker
12 Jun 2007, 13:53
I think the match committee rate Murphy >>> Campbell - but at the moment
Not so sure. I hope those in the know respect Campbell's willingness to knock people over and hit packs. I've had a very high opinion of him since the contact with Glass.:thumbsu: