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passthebottle
11 Jun 2007, 02:08
Can someone tell me please who is out of contract this year.
Cheers:thumbsu:
CatmanForever
11 Jun 2007, 02:31
I think King, Playfair, and Gardiner for starters. May be wrong though.
Rockford
11 Jun 2007, 04:10
I think King, Playfair, and Gardiner for starters. May be wrong though.
OMG No!!! :eek: We'd better re-sign them ASAP :rolleyes:
TheRealComptroller
11 Jun 2007, 06:07
Mooney.
Ottens? Didn't he get a 3 year deal when he joined?
Varcoe - he would have received a 2 year deal (AFLPA minimum*) when drafted; the same situation as all the 2005 draftees: Stokes, Gamble, West and Owen.
*a club can still delist a draftee after just one season but must pay him out for the second year of the contract.
Need to put up a proper list if you have time. Moons yes Nablett no.
tommahawk
11 Jun 2007, 11:45
I think King, Playfair, and Gardiner for starters. May be wrong though.
king is not out of contract it was only a couple years ago when he signed a extention on his contract he stil has another 2 years to go..
By my records:
Gardiner, Johnson (both Dave and Steve), King, Ottens, Playfair, Spencer, Stokes, Varcoe, West, Gamble and Owen are out of contract. Of course, there are the rookies as well (Reynolds and Grima).
SriLankanCat
11 Jun 2007, 13:24
This is gonna be a big problem for the cats actaully if Ottens, Mooney, S Johnson, Varcoe etc. are out of contract. The only t hing i can say is that we will save money from Playfair, Gardiner and King
MmkMrMackie
11 Jun 2007, 18:48
By my records:
Gardiner, Johnson (both Dave and Steve), King, Ottens, Playfair, Spencer, Stokes, Varcoe, West, Gamble and Owen are out of contract. Of course, there are the rookies as well (Reynolds and Grima).
Will Reynolds get another year on the list?
Will Reynolds get another year on the list?
Hopefully not.
Not because I'm a cold bastard, but there is no real justification for us to upgrade him (which we'll have to do if we want him) given his physical state (coming off knee's is always risky) and what he delivered to date (which is not all that much).
We can argue that the club "owes" him another year to really showcase himself, but in this day and age, we can't award list spots just like that for the aforementioned reasons.
catempire
11 Jun 2007, 19:03
This is gonna be a big problem for the cats actaully if Ottens, Mooney, S Johnson, Varcoe etc. are out of contract. The only t hing i can say is that we will save money from Playfair, Gardiner and King
No it's not. This is a yearly occurrence.
This is gonna be a big problem for the cats actaully if Ottens, Mooney, S Johnson, Varcoe etc. are out of contract. The only t hing i can say is that we will save money from Playfair, Gardiner and King
Youd imagine Otto will take a bit of a cut.
Mooney and Johnno will stay on the same sorta contracts.
Varcoe will only recieve a little pay rise. Its only going to be his 3rd year and wont command huge sums.
Hopefully not.
Not because I'm a cold bastard, but there is no real justification for us to upgrade him (which we'll have to do if we want him) given his physical state (coming off knee's is always risky) and what he delivered to date (which is not all that much).
We can argue that the club "owes" him another year to really showcase himself, but in this day and age, we can't award list spots just like that for the aforementioned reasons.
Especially with Grima hopefully being upgraded.
passthebottle
12 Jun 2007, 10:37
Thanks fellas.
Johnson X2
Ottens
Mooney
Varcoe
Stokes
Lets sign them as soon as possible.
As for
Playfair
Gardiner
King(sorry,you have been a good servant but.....)
No great loss.
As for
Spencer
West
Gamble
Owen
Grima
Reynolds
Never seen them play so can't comment.
Regarding King. We good need 3 ruckman on our list. Brisbane played 3 in grand finals.
Tristagi
12 Jun 2007, 12:24
Johnson X2 - Keep both
Ottens - Keep
Mooney - Keep
Varcoe - Keep
Stokes - Keep
Playfair - No
Gardiner - Maybe
King - Maybe
Spencer - No
West - Yes
Gamble - Yes
Owen - Maybe
Grima - Yes
Reynolds - Give another chance
Ottens - Priority
Mooney - Priority
Varcoe - Resign
S. Johnson - Resign
West - Resign
Stokes - Resign
Grima - Elevate
Owen - Resign (I was wrong about him, he can play)
King - Resign
D.Johnson - Resign/tradebait
Gamble - Resign/trade
Playfair - Delist
Gardiner - Delist
Spencer - Delist
Reynolds - Delist
I think Prismall is out of contract as well. Definately a priority to resign.
catempire
12 Jun 2007, 13:19
King - Resign
Gamble - Resign/trade
What's your thinking here?
What's your thinking here?
Keep king for two more years as a backup ruckmen & groom him for a ruck coaching role.
Gamble - I can't see him getting into the team in the next 2 years but is too good a player to delist. I think we should either resign him or trade him to somewhere he will get more of an opportunity.
Masss#10
12 Jun 2007, 15:48
King is a disgusting ruckman
MmkMrMackie
12 Jun 2007, 15:59
King is a disgusting ruckman
If King can play out the rest of the season without getting injured I don't see why we shouldn't keep him on the list. Granted he's struggled this year, both with form and fitness, but there's still time for him to prove himself. If Blake or Ottens get injured, we might just need him. I have been suggesting for some time that next year we draft the best ruckman available to us, but perhaps King has one or two years left on the list - even if he spent most of that time in the VFL?
King is a disgusting ruckman
King also likes Soccer.
If King can play out the rest of the season without getting injured I don't see why we shouldn't keep him on the list. Granted he's struggled this year, both with form and fitness, but there's still time for him to prove himself. If Blake or Ottens get injured, we might just need him. I have been suggesting for some time that next year we draft the best ruckman available to us, but perhaps King has one or two years left on the list - even if he spent most of that time in the VFL?
Look at who he supports (Melbourne) and what King did to him (kick to White's chops).
MmkMrMackie
12 Jun 2007, 16:08
Look at who he supports (Melbourne) and what King did to him (kick to White's chops).
He's a swans suporter living in Melbourne... Go play in traffic.
He's a swans suporter living in Melbourne... Go play in traffic.
LOL. My bad, thats what you get for having 2 hours of sleep last night.
TheBrownDog
12 Jun 2007, 16:20
Regarding King. We good need 3 ruckman on our list. Brisbane played 3 in grand finals.
Wha?
2001: Keating/McDonald
2002: Keating/McDonald
2003: Keating/Charman
2004: Keating/McLaren
catempire
12 Jun 2007, 16:59
Wha?
2001: Keating/McDonald
2002: Keating/McDonald
2003: Keating/Charman
2004: Keating/McLaren
He must have meant 3 on your list.
TheRealComptroller
12 Jun 2007, 19:34
Varcoe - Resign
I think you may have meant re-sign? :)
Travis is a touch too young and too promising to be made to resign. :eek: :D
Todays sun says that Mooney and Steve Jonno are out of contract. There is about 15 in all. The club wanted to wait on them all, but that might have to change I think. GAJ and Jimmy are not. There will be no talks during the finals if we make it.
He must have meant 3 on your list.
I did.
I hate David Parkin but he said we need 3.
catempire
13 Jun 2007, 13:06
And I think that's right. You need 3 decent ruckman on your list because ruckman are susceptible to injury. Going into a GF you don't want 1 of your 2 decent ruckman under a cloud or suspended.
At the moment we obviously have Ottens, Blake and King. Unless King comes back and breaks into the senior side I think we can forget him. West is coming along but probably won't debut this season barring disaster.
That all equates to drafting/trading for another ruckman at the end of this season.
And I think that's right. You need 3 decent ruckman on your list because ruckman are susceptible to injury. Going into a GF you don't want 1 of your 2 decent ruckman under a cloud or suspended.
At the moment we obviously have Ottens, Blake and King. Unless King comes back and breaks into the senior side I think we can forget him. West is coming along but probably won't debut this season barring disaster.
That all equates to drafting/trading for another ruckman at the end of this season.
Next year west will be in his third year and would be ready for a run. If king plays on we will have 4 ruckman that could play AFL footy. Maybe we could rookie list a ready made ruckman under that new afl rule. THen if we do get a major injury he can be promoted?
MmkMrMackie
13 Jun 2007, 13:57
Next year west will be in his third year and would be ready for a run. If king plays on we will have 4 ruckman that could play AFL footy. Maybe we could rookie list a ready made ruckman under that new afl rule. THen if we do get a major injury he can be promoted?
Is Westy going to make it? From what I've seen of him, he looks ok. Gets his fair share of taps, and does his bit around the ground. Nothing brilliant yet, but I can see potential.
Ling Sting
13 Jun 2007, 14:05
Is Westy going to make it? From what I've seen of him, he looks ok. Gets his fair share of taps, and does his bit around the ground. Nothing brilliant yet, but I can see potential.
Alot of people were saying the same thing about Blake in the last few years.
Ruckmen and all big men in general have a bit of an unknown factor about them. They generally take much longer to mature to AFL standards and can often burn out much quicker as well.
sarah.13
13 Jun 2007, 16:34
Keep king for two more years as a backup ruckmen & groom him for a ruck coaching role.
Gamble - I can't see him getting into the team in the next 2 years but is too good a player to delist. I think we should either resign him or trade him to somewhere he will get more of an opportunity.
Gamble has the potential to be a very good player,wouldn't mind seeing him played in the backline as I agree it will be very hard to break into the forward line,but the is a shortage of quality mid sized backs.
Is Westy going to make it? From what I've seen of him, he looks ok. Gets his fair share of taps, and does his bit around the ground. Nothing brilliant yet, but I can see potential.
Most defiantly. I'm a bit wrap for westy. That is one major part of his game. He can move around very well. Last week was a big learning experience for him against Minson and Skipper, and id be happy to say he did a good job againse them both. He has a lot to develop, however the signs are there. He is versatile to!
Ottens - Priority
Mooney - Priority
Varcoe - Resign
S. Johnson - Resign
West - Resign
Stokes - Resign
Grima - Elevate
Owen - Resign (I was wrong about him, he can play)
King - Resign
D.Johnson - Resign/tradebait
Gamble - Resign/trade
Playfair - Delist
Gardiner - Delist
Spencer - Delist
Reynolds - Delist
I think Prismall is out of contract as well. Definately a priority to resign.
In order to elevate Grima, we would need to delist 4 players (Reynolds on ROokie list so doesn't count). Out of that group you would hope kingy retires, so we can. If not someone like Callan or Owen wouldn't be feeling to comfy at the moment.
MmkMrMackie
13 Jun 2007, 18:44
Most defiantly. I'm a bit wrap for westy. That is one major part of his game. He can move around very well. Last week was a big learning experience for him against Minson and Skipper, and id be happy to say he did a good job againse them both. He has a lot to develop, however the signs are there. He is versatile to!
In order to elevate Grima, we would need to delist 4 players (Reynolds on ROokie list so doesn't count). Out of that group you would hope kingy retires, so we can. If not someone like Callan or Owen wouldn't be feeling to comfy at the moment.
Callan and Josh Hunt to Carlton for their first round pick.
Callan and Josh Hunt to Carlton for their first round pick.
I wish :D
Most defiantly. I'm a bit wrap for westy. That is one major part of his game. He can move around very well. Last week was a big learning experience for him against Minson and Skipper, and id be happy to say he did a good job againse them both. He has a lot to develop, however the signs are there. He is versatile to!
In order to elevate Grima, we would need to delist 4 players (Reynolds on ROokie list so doesn't count). Out of that group you would hope kingy retires, so we can. If not someone like Callan or Owen wouldn't be feeling to comfy at the moment.
I'd like to keep King on a 1 year contract. Personally I think
1. Gardiner
2.Playfair
3.Spencer
Are all must delists.
I think we should trade a least one of:
Byrnes- Too wasteful but maybe a team lacking small forwards might go for him
Callan - Not getting the opportunities he deserves
DJ - Far too good to be kicking the dew
Enright - Good player that has poor disposal (would want a good offer)
Tenace - See Enright
Kinggaz29 have a read here.
year of the cat
20 Jun 2007, 15:03
I'd like to keep King on a 1 year contract. Personally I think
1. Gardiner
2.Playfair
3.Spencer
Are all must delists.
I think we should trade a least one of:
Byrnes- Too wasteful but maybe a team lacking small forwards might go for him
Callan - Not getting the opportunities he deserves
DJ - Far too good to be kicking the dew
Enright - Good player that has poor disposal (would want a good offer)
Tenace - See Enright
I reckon that we will be hard pressed trading Byrnes for anything of value. He should also be a definite delisting with the other three.
I reckon that we will be hard pressed trading Byrnes for anything of value. He should also be a definite delisting with the other three.
Yeah but any player you are considering delisting should be shopped around 1st as even a 3rd round pick upgrade by one position is better than the nothing you get for a delisting.
year of the cat
20 Jun 2007, 15:18
Yeah but any player you are considering delisting should be shopped around 1st as even a 3rd round pick upgrade by one position is better than the nothing you get for a delisting.
I agree - can't see it happening with a midget that can't kick straight though.
eliiiiza
20 Jun 2007, 16:30
For what it's worth, Byrnes signed a 2-year contract at the end of last year.
For what it's worth, Byrnes signed a 2-year contract at the end of last year.
well you cant call him stupid then :)