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irish_setanta
11 Jun 2007, 09:03
Was listening to SEN yesterday morning when they said that walker was now a better player than cooney, who agrees?
walkers a legend
11 Jun 2007, 10:06
i agree with that walker was great on saturday
bakerboy
11 Jun 2007, 10:08
Was listening to SEN yesterday morning when they said that walker was now a better player than cooney, who agrees?
Walks is playing great footy.
But does Cooney have the edge in class?
Jeremias
11 Jun 2007, 10:28
Walker is more consistent, whilst Cooney seems to burst into games and then go missing for long patches.
Both will be great players, but I'm more than happy that we have Walker. Wouldn't consider swapping with them.
why does anyone have to be better than anyone?
team game, and only as good as your weakest link.
tony lockett, or wayne carey would be rubbish if they didn;t have anyone delivering the ball too them, and chris judd, and nathan buckley, and james hird would be rubbish if they didn;t have anyone to kick it too.
Was listening to SEN yesterday morning when they said that walker was now a better player than cooney, who agrees?
I rate Cooney highly, but Walker is certainly making a claim for the best of the 2003 draft. Both top-line players, and a mile ahead of others in that draft. My only concern with Cooney, is that he doesn't seem to be much of a team-player, and tries to kick "hero goals" rather than kicking to a team-mate in better position. Cooney has been a natural midfielder from day 1. Walker is more of a utility type, who can play anywhere, and is much better overhead. :).
why does anyone have to be better than anyone?
team game, and only as good as your weakest link.
tony lockett, or wayne carey would be rubbish if they didn;t have anyone delivering the ball too them, and chris judd, and nathan buckley, and james hird would be rubbish if they didn;t have anyone to kick it too.
your joking right?
blues4flag
11 Jun 2007, 12:16
Wouldn't trade Walker for anyone, but I wouldn't say he's ahead of Cooney just yet. I believe he has the potential to be, however, until he gets tagged like Cooney does most weeks, it'll be hard to tell.
His defensive side is far, far ahead of Cooney's, however.
shanrew5
11 Jun 2007, 12:17
Cooney i have to say is a better player as he can turn a game around. He is quick and has good disposal and overall he is a better player than walker at the moment. Walker is still a great yound player but at the moment i think Walker has the edge and has more class
tommo_bombers
11 Jun 2007, 12:25
this is a joke walker is playing great but is not up to even stanton's class.
this is a joke walker is playing great but is not up to even stanton's class.
Stanton gets a bit of the pill and is a good young player no doubt, as is Walker. Their main difference and a concern for you is his sheep dog style of play you can really see Campo's impact on this kid. Walker plays hard.
Fevalution
11 Jun 2007, 13:04
Stanton gets a bit of the pill and is a good young player no doubt, as is Walker. Their main difference and a concern for you is his sheep dog style of play you can really see Campo's impact on this kid. Walker plays hard.
Whenever the bombers kick out, stanton gets it in the pocket, thats y his stats are inflated
navier-stokes equation
11 Jun 2007, 13:13
Stanton is a one dimensional link man who is more concerned about doing a Campo and inflating his stats by waiting in the backpocket and getting the cheap kickin
I don't see Stanton getting a hard ball and then BREAKING AWAY from the stoppage like Walker is able to do. Walker is more dynamic and can run away from players AND baulk. Stanton's strength is his gut running. Walker has the gut running as well as being able to play inside, running the lines and actually delivering the ball inside 50. Walker's kicking has been criticised but this year it has improved enormously, Stanton on the other hand still kicks a few floaters every week.
marcmurphy3
11 Jun 2007, 14:17
Walker's kicking has been criticised but this year it has improved enormously,
I agree. Walker's kicking the other night was nothing short of brilliant. He is definately a footballer, not an athlete trying to play football as some have previously stated.
this is a joke right? :o
walker shits all over stanton, and in many ways is better than cooney.
consistency, skills, speed, determination.
congratulations young mr walker, you have become an integral part of our team, and the envy of many opposition supporters.
BTW, if i was AW, i would be ashamed to be compared to the likes of Stanton; the cherry picker hack that Essendon so prides itself upon.
Who was better Coleman or Lockett? Buckley better then Goodes? Was Greg Williams better then Robert Harvey?
Come on guys, anyone can argue anything. Cooney has been really solid, and put in some blinders. Walker is also a classy player. You can not say who is better then who, specially when they are both still young. Stupid thread.
Blue Dawn
11 Jun 2007, 16:59
this is a joke walker is playing great but is not up to even stanton's class.
You clearly have no idea about opposition players Tommo. In 2 years time you will fully appreciate just how silly that statement is. Despite having a good year so far, Stanton is simply not in the same class as Walker or Cooney. At this stage Walker's consistency, strength and gut running are superior to Cooney. Cooney has a game-breaking ability which makes him a constant danger.
Walker has yet to be released into the midfield for any real length of time so his true contribution to the team is yet to be seen. Wouldn't trade Walker for Cooney.
Haven't seen enough of Cooney this year to make an informed decision. Keep in mind guys that we never had an option to take Conney, and I think that they will both end up being very very good players for their teams respectively.
out of harmes' way
11 Jun 2007, 19:03
this is a joke walker is playing great but is not up to even stanton's class.
Have you been hanging around with Cousins? You're on drugs, please provide a sample immediately.
Next thing you're going to tell us is Essendon's got a great young list:
Hird, Fletcher, Johnson&Johnson, Michael, Lloyd, Lucas,Camporeale etc.
You guys are in serious trouble over the next couple of years. Oh I forgot Mark Bolton will set things straight. Don't be fooled by a couple of arsie wins; you're just covering up the cracks.
Team Mo'
11 Jun 2007, 19:18
He will be much better than cooney
Homer Simpson for Lance
11 Jun 2007, 19:25
Cooney had OP and missed most of this pre-season.......he will be an elite player up there with the very best....Walker can hopefully acheive similar.......just enjoy watching both of them
stakes12
11 Jun 2007, 20:43
Wouldn't trade Walker for anyone, but I wouldn't say he's ahead of Cooney just yet. I believe he has the potential to be, however, until he gets tagged like Cooney does most weeks, it'll be hard to tell.
His defensive side is far, far ahead of Cooney's, however.
AGREE,I DONT THINK COONEY HAS A DEFENSIVE BONE IN HIS BODY,U DONT C COONEY PLAYING ON ALL THE OPPOSITION TEAMS BEST PLAYERS,IF WALKER KEEPS PLAYING ON THE BALL OR EVEN UP FORWARD I THINK HE WILL B IN THE ELITE IN A FEW YEARS TIME,WOULDNT CONSIDER SWAPPING HIM FOR ANY1:thumbsu:
avid blue supporter
11 Jun 2007, 21:07
this is a joke walker is playing great but is not up to even stanton's class.
:rolleyes: Yeah and you can see purple pigs flying in the sky. Dream on Bullwinkle Stanton is at best a hack and not in Walkers' class. :D:D
TheGeneral
11 Jun 2007, 21:08
this is a joke walker is playing great but is not up to even stanton's class.
The same Brent Stanton that kicks out on the full when under no pressure?
Who is Brent Stanton? :confused:
A player who can be exposed by taller and faster opponents. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YVRZAZEuhE)
I think Cooney is marginally ahead of Walker at the moment but I think Walker has more potential. Cooney took a very brave mark running back with the flight on Saturday night, so I wouldn't label Cooney poor overhead or not a team player.
this is a joke walker is playing great but is not up to even stanton's class.
Now that's funny.
I'm looking forward to see how the Bombers go next year when your best player has retired, and guys like Fletcher, Michael, Lloyd, Lucas, M&J Johnson are one more year closer to retirement.
Barry Zuckercorn QC
11 Jun 2007, 23:51
Stanton? WTF?
Bluebear
11 Jun 2007, 23:58
Cooney had OP and missed most of this pre-season.......he will be an elite player up there with the very best....Walker can hopefully acheive similar.......just enjoy watching both of them
Walker had a groin op at the end of last year and had a modified program most of the pre-season.......what's your point?
Both very good........but neither hit a pack like Peter Dean could.
Homer Simpson for Lance
12 Jun 2007, 00:19
Walker had a groin op at the end of last year and had a modified program most of the pre-season.......what's your point?
Both very good........but neither hit a pack like Peter Dean could.
My point is that had Cooney did not have a preseason.......disappointing you couldnt quite work it out.
Since Dean played most of his footy as a 3rd tall back alongside SOS and Sexton and Cooney is a mid ( I assume youre talking about in aerial contests) WTF is youre point ?
Bluebear
12 Jun 2007, 00:35
My point is that had Cooney did not have a preseason.......disappointing you couldnt quite work it out.
Since Dean played most of his footy as a 3rd tall back alongside SOS and Sexton and Cooney is a mid ( I assume youre talking about in aerial contests) WTF is youre point ?
My point is that bringing in this last pre-season to compare two guys that have been in the system for 3 years is not really valid, especially 11 rounds in to their fourth seasons.
Even so, if you look at Cooney's season, he was better in rounds 1-2, than 3-5, so what does this mean with reagrds to his interrupted pre-season...........you tell me?
The Dean line was for those who think that comparing player is a waste of time..........and I was referring to packs on the ground actually......in the Wiggins hitting the pack hard vein......but its a tangent.
Tex started well behind Cooney, but has caught up and overtaken IMO......Cooney doesn't appear to have really improved a lot. He was good at the outset, and is still good........give me Tex anyday.
blueskies
12 Jun 2007, 09:47
That was Walker's best game so far.
No.1 for kicks (22 of them), 1st possessions and bounces.
For the first time ever he looked like he was totally in the zone. He ran hard and kicked accurately, his decision making seeming instinctual.
In fact he kept running hard in the last quarter.
How good was his double shimmy then spots the player Inside50m!!
He looked truly elite and hopefully being let loose is working.
always right
12 Jun 2007, 12:42
I rate Cooney highly, but Walker is certainly making a claim for the best of the 2003 draft. Both top-line players, and a mile ahead of others in that draft. My only concern with Cooney, is that he doesn't seem to be much of a team-player, and tries to kick "hero goals" rather than kicking to a team-mate in better position. Cooney has been a natural midfielder from day 1. Walker is more of a utility type, who can play anywhere, and is much better overhead. :).
Walker seems to have come on in leaps and bounds this year. Think you're way off the mark in your comments about Cooney though. If anything he needs to back himself even more. He has an amazing turn of speed and soemtimes doesn't realise how much time he has to go for goal.
always right
12 Jun 2007, 12:45
Wouldn't trade Walker for anyone, but I wouldn't say he's ahead of Cooney just yet. I believe he has the potential to be, however, until he gets tagged like Cooney does most weeks, it'll be hard to tell.
His defensive side is far, far ahead of Cooney's, however.
Agree that Walker is better defensively......hey, that's the role he's played most of his short career. Don't underestimate Coonery's defensive side though. Due to an interrupted pre-season he's taken a while to find form but in that time his tackling and chasing has been first class. When he tackles they stay tackled which is not something other fans would pick up on.
C4[2]Yo`DooR
12 Jun 2007, 12:54
this is a joke walker is playing great but is not up to even stanton's class.
LMAO.
Im already at Stanton's class.
Let alone, Andrew Walker !
irish_setanta
12 Jun 2007, 13:22
Yo`DooR;7813635']LMAO.
Im already at Stanton's class.
Let alone, Andrew Walker !
Dont under estimate yourself c4, your better than Stanton.
one_twelve112
12 Jun 2007, 13:28
Cooney has certainly had some great games over the years, but
I think Walker has closed the gap through improved kicking and greater consitancey. 1AW really seems to have that X-Factor that not many players do and I think the sky is the limit for him.
Career so far: Cooney
At the moment: Even
In the future: Walker
The Grover
12 Jun 2007, 13:43
Who was better Coleman or Lockett? Buckley better then Goodes? Was Greg Williams better then Robert Harvey?
Come on guys, anyone can argue anything. Cooney has been really solid, and put in some blinders. Walker is also a classy player. You can not say who is better then who, specially when they are both still young. Stupid thread.
I'm with you this crap shits me off, just acknowledge good players from your team & opposition teams.
blueskies
12 Jun 2007, 13:57
Walker's form reflects the form of the team.
He and the team have gradually improved the past few weeks.
Last weekend was Andrew's best game by a country mile. He looked natural out there, like he was in the zone. Didn't look scared of making mistakes, didn't look apprehensive.
I hope he can go on with it now and Pagan leaves him in midfield to continue to run free and blitz.
Bulldog1954
12 Jun 2007, 15:28
Cooney cops a lot of crap around here with people saying he doesn't have a defensive side to his game which is rubbish. He's laying half a tackle a game more than Walker and is one of our leading tacklers
Walker's having a good season, but its a stretch to say he's better than Cooney. Cooney is more damaging and kicks more goals than most permanent forwards. He already has 19, last year he got 30, which was more than any other midfielder.People say he struggles with consistency which IMO is only true to a degree, because whenever he has a bad game he usually stills bops up with a couple of goals. Cooney is all class and will only get better now he's seemingly over his OP which if it weren't for other injuries would have had him miss games last year
TruBlue
12 Jun 2007, 15:36
Cooney and Walker are good players and deserved to be picks 1 and 2 repectivley, I'm sure supporters from both teams are happy with who they have and rightly so.
It is interesting that radio stations are now starting to ask the question about which one is better, I think Walker has grown huge amounts recently and has caught up to Cooney.
So the real question is who has the more upside or more improving still to come? Cooney has been playing at his level for a while now he may or may not get any better, where Walker has been on a more gradual climb learning more about the defensive side of his game, I think Walker has a lot more improving to go when he gets in the midfield, this may make him a more complete player.
So if their at an equal level now and with more improvment in Walker maybe Walker maybe ahead in the long run. But i'm probably a little biased and Cooney is very good.....lol
legendtofski
12 Jun 2007, 16:14
Walkers disposal improves every week. He is now a well built, fast and relatively tought player.
If he keeps at this rate, I figure him a Bronlow chance in 2-3 years.
The term 'the next Judd' isn't out of the equation either!
seriously,who cares.
Walker plays for Carlton
Cooney plays for the dogs
both great young talents
the end.