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Lynch, kicked 65 goals in 2006, including 12 in the finals and 3 in the GF.
He has been great this year too, his only problem has been his inaccuracy in front of goal. I have no doubt this will improve soon.
Seriously, all this crap I've been reading in the past few days such as sending him back to the WAFL and trading 3 players to get another FF is just ridiculous.
I bet all you baggers will be loving him again when he starts to kick straight. Bloody pathetic. :rolleyes:
West Coast 06
11 Jun 2007, 19:08
Agree.
Go the big Q, make them eat their words.:thumbsu:
TheBigUnit
11 Jun 2007, 19:21
Too quickly...
Too many fickle supporters here who've been spoilt by WC success over the past 2 years and can't handle a few losses early in the season. Have a bit of faith people!
Big Cox
11 Jun 2007, 19:22
Whats this thread about again. I forgot
I cant believe how quickly people hit the panic button around here. Lynchy will come good, kickings a bit off but he has 2 weeks now to improve.
After the pre season we had everyone would have been happy to be 8-3
wce4premiership
11 Jun 2007, 20:17
Haven't forgotten, everything this year has been great and if he was accurate people wouldn't bag him. He does need to pick up his kicking though.
I also remember how good cousins was in the past 2 years :(
ekzistenz
11 Jun 2007, 23:44
Yes, the question is WILL he start kicking straight?
The guys a FF and it's his job to kick goals, so his innaccuracy in front of them is a big problem. He has played pretty well this season and gotten a lot of the ball, but you can't simply glaze over this issue as its an integral part of being a FF.
WE LOVE YOU TBU!!! :D
Please start kicking straight though, I dont have much hair left......
Whats this thread about again. I forgot
Its about......forgetting?
SOSBenny
12 Jun 2007, 00:23
Hey, we don't all forget.
He was good, without being great up to the break last year. He came good as the second half of the year progressed, I have faith TBU just needs to do some soul searching in his week off...It'll come ;)
Is 21.28 correct?
Assuming he was like most forwards, and had a decent accuracy percentage (don't know whats decent, havn't seen a good forward in a while in blue and gold.. say 60%?). Would he not be one of the top forwards in the comp at the moment?
It sucks, but he's got to fix himself up.. Its like seeing a backman playing awesome (great run out of defence, quelled the opposition forwards possesion count) every game but still getting 3-5 kicked against him. Your just not doing your job.
-- He can't kick from medium, at the moment he's not really doing much from far out..
Why not put him into the square for a few games.. He can't miss them from there, and even if he can.. he won't have a 43% accuracy..
Big Whoop-dee do. If half the forwards of the competition HAD THE EAGLES MIDFIELDS Delivering it to them theyd score a helluva lot more.
Hes woeful in front of goals can kick it long without any form of accurracy.
Forgetting he kicked 65? No
Realising hes got the cushiest FF job in the competition. Yes
Big Whoop-dee do. If half the forwards of the competition HAD THE EAGLES MIDFIELDS Delivering it to them theyd score a helluva lot more.
Hes woeful in front of goals can kick it long without any form of accurracy.
Forgetting he kicked 65? No
Realising hes got the cushiest FF job in the competition. Yes
Not a fan then?
mudgeathon
12 Jun 2007, 14:02
Big Whoop-dee do. If half the forwards of the competition HAD THE EAGLES MIDFIELDS Delivering it to them theyd score a helluva lot more.
Hes woeful in front of goals can kick it long without any form of accurracy.
Forgetting he kicked 65? No
Realising hes got the cushiest FF job in the competition. Yes
The thing is, the eagle's midfield isn't great at delivering the ball to our forwards
Judd is ok but not great [at delivering the ball] same deal with Kerr
Cousins was the best, but ins't playing,
Fletcher is solid but has only played 3-4 games this year
and Stinga is again pretty good, but nothing spectacular
People think because we have the best midfiled we hit our forwards on the chest every time, when simply this isn't the case
Don't get me started on Rosa's kicking to our forward 50 ...heads anyone?
The thing is, the eagle's midfield isn't great at delivering the ball to our forwards.
People think because we have the best midfiled we hit our forwards on the chest every time, when simply this isn't the case
Too true :(
It's a typical case where the 'Inside F50' stat means nothing at all.
wce4premiership
12 Jun 2007, 21:24
The thing is, the eagle's midfield isn't great at delivering the ball to our forwards
Judd is ok but not great [at delivering the ball] same deal with Kerr
Cousins was the best, but ins't playing,
Fletcher is solid but has only played 3-4 games this year
and Stinga is again pretty good, but nothing spectacular
People think because we have the best midfiled we hit our forwards on the chest every time, when simply this isn't the case
Don't get me started on Rosa's kicking to our forward 50 ...heads anyone?yes everyone assumes that we are getting perfect delivery to our forwards, cousins was superb, rojo has exceeded expectations, priddis seem capable but some of our other mids are delivering from hard situations or just arent doing their best at the moment. It may also be a case of our forwards leading not being as well planned as say a lloyd or fevola. Can't win em all anyway
eagles06
12 Jun 2007, 21:29
I don't think anyone has forgotten what he did last year, he was great. He was kicking straight as well. He has been very good except for his kicking. If he had been kicking straight he could have 30 goals with 19 behinds. That is very good but the reality is that he isn't kicking straight and those behinds do make a difference. He's gotta do something with his kicking and I'll be happy.
Kerr was great at sending it into the 50, I think we are missing him (with the drop in form recently, thanks to taggers). It will be very interesting to see niko, hansen, cousins and embley rejoin us... some of our better kicks (and smarter kicks). :thumbsu:
Underdog
13 Jun 2007, 01:29
The thing is, the eagle's midfield isn't great at delivering the ball to our forwards
Judd is ok but not great [at delivering the ball] same deal with Kerr
Cousins was the best, but ins't playing,
Fletcher is solid but has only played 3-4 games this year
and Stinga is again pretty good, but nothing spectacular
People think because we have the best midfiled we hit our forwards on the chest every time, when simply this isn't the case
Don't get me started on Rosa's kicking to our forward 50 ...heads anyone?
100% right
You do have to wonder about the credibility of a supporter that doesn't realise this.
larrikin
13 Jun 2007, 01:37
The thing is, the eagle's midfield isn't great at delivering the ball to our forwards
Judd is ok but not great [at delivering the ball] same deal with Kerr
Cousins was the best, but ins't playing,
Fletcher is solid but has only played 3-4 games this year
and Stinga is again pretty good, but nothing spectacular
People think because we have the best midfiled we hit our forwards on the chest every time, when simply this isn't the case
Don't get me started on Rosa's kicking to our forward 50 ...heads anyone?
You're right. The best deliverers to the forward line are probably Fletch, Braun and Stenglein. It's not about disposal quality either. Blokes like Judd, Kerr and even Cousins are a bit too creative for their own good. I'd hate to try and predict when to lead to those blokes.
Having said that, Lynch is doing a good job of getting the footy, albeit a lot of the time wide. I really like him at CHF - or at least leading out a bit deeper - I think there is room for a Staker/Cox/Seaby to sit in behind him in the goal square.
I'd prefer to see Lynch at CHF for a period.
Maybe try the Hawthorn approach of a Williams style FF, Morton and Le Cras can both kick very straight.
Not Staker, his yips are as bad as TBUs. Seaby hasn't fired a shot and Hunter is still a swing man and not a permanent forward. Brown is still underdeveloped as a player and needs more time in the WAFL.
the crane
14 Jun 2007, 17:56
TBU last year: 19.14 after rd 11
this year: 21.28 after rd 11
TBU's literally upped the amount of shots at goal he's had by around 50% on top of last year at this stage. I don't know how or why but for god's sake start kicking straight Q!
Junior55
14 Jun 2007, 18:28
Lynch, kicked 65 goals in 2006, including 12 in the finals and 3 in the GF.
He has been great this year too, his only problem has been his inaccuracy in front of goal. I have no doubt this will improve soon.
Seriously, all this crap I've been reading in the past few days such as sending him back to the WAFL and trading 3 players to get another FF is just ridiculous.
I bet all you baggers will be loving him again when he starts to kick straight. Bloody pathetic. :rolleyes:
Its a good point you make about Lynch, and i for one have not bagged him but to me he has been a disapointment, I realise he has had more shots at goal than last year which is good it means he is improving and he looks a lot better moving up the ground and marking than he has in the two years before this. But it doesnt change the fact that bad kicking is bad football and there is no doubt his kicking has been poor.
There are certain things in my opinion that he needs to do better to become a more rounded footballer but i have no problem with him being our main target in the forward line. Players are always going to have their critics and Lynchy has more than most. I guess when people see a 23 year old man mountain kick 65 in a year they expect him to kick 80 the next year and 100 the year after but it is an unrealistic expectation in the modern game.
Everyone just needs to stick with him because when his kicking does come good he is going to kick a lot more goals in the second half of the year.
Scotland
14 Jun 2007, 18:33
People forget too quickly, as people are inherently stupid. I'm sure a 'drop Rowan Jones, he's a dud' thread is just around the corner.
Our forward entries this season have been very average. Unless we are dominating through the centre our forward line looks poor. We consistently have a pack form around 30m out from goal, where there are more defenders than forwards, so we bomb it in long and the loose ball is cleared out of the 50m arc quick smart.
We need to play smarter going forward. Perhaps try having a radius of 30m around the goals where no one except Lynch is allowed in. Or position Lynch at CHF roaming from 40-60m out, with a midget FF like LeCras close to goal. Or position Lynch, LeCras and Morton inside 50m, and have the 3 half-forwards playing only between 50m and wing. If we have to kick 20m at a time until we find a loose player so be it. It sure beats turning over the ball most times we go forward. We just need to try something. Kicking long and high to 8 on 6 packs just plays into opposition hands.
Keyser Soze
14 Jun 2007, 19:49
^^^^ I think that through the increased use of handball and chipping the ball around a bit more we have been trying to avoid the long bomb in that you have described.
When we have been on top through the middle this has worked fairly well but when sides (Geelong and Hawthorn) have put more pressure on us we have panicked to an extent and reverted to bad habits. For some odd reason we also did this in the 2nd quarter against Essendon despite have clean possession most of the time.
What has frustrated me is sections of the crowd groaning and crying out for us to "kick the bloody thing" when we move the ball around in attempt to find a space for a forward to lead into. These same people are often the first to exclaim "what did you kick it there for" when under pressure the player has done what they wanted and kicked it long only to an opposition defender spoil or mark. Did that Make sense?
This is one argument we will never all agree on. Lynch is all we have, and does ok, but i think his role is always within 50 metres of goals. I have criticised him in the past for blazing away to much this year. I think that has caused the increase in his shots on goal, but also on his points kicked from 55-60 on the boundary when the ball is in play.
I think the disposal of the Eagles into the forward line is enough to make a player the quality of Pavlich, Brown or Fev an 80-100 goalkicker, not through lace out passes. If you have the quality stocks to do that you can afford to isolate them and let them do their thing, I would suggest some fullbacks in the comp would fancy themselves a better chance on Lynch than the blokes above. But again, he is what we have and I think plays his role well enough considering we have no real ready made replacements.
Keyser Soze
16 Jun 2007, 02:38
Well OLDEP, we might disagree on Rojo but I concur with the above post.
Those who criticise Lynch have to accept that he is not as good as the elite forwards and probably never will be. He is what he is and that is a honest hard worker who is capable of being a 60 to 70 goal a year forward.
Ambrose Burnside
16 Jun 2007, 12:32
One thing about Lynchy (I've noticed it more this year because he's missing so many, so I'm not sure what he was like last year), but a lot of his shots are out wide on the boundary - which is fine - but almost all of them are on the wrong side of the ground for a right footer.
Which is just baffling.