View Full Version : who do people trust when the ball is in there hands?
gocats88
12 Jun 2007, 14:25
I'm still hearing alot of negativity about our guys disposal, i dont actually think its that bad. these are the people who i think hve good disposal.
Ablett,chapman,kelly,mooney,milburn,makie,rooke,bartel,hunt, selwood and prismal. and that's half of wenty two know sure they don't always hit the target but who does it on a consitency basis anyway hasn't anyone heard of redemption before. or is just if they have two shocking kicks they aren;t good by foot. take kelly for instance he always had a beatiful kick when his on song. but at the start of the year everyone rated him as one of the worst kicks in our team and know he's getting back to his 04 and 05 form. if anyone agrees or disagrees ill be happy for there response.
Hood007
12 Jun 2007, 14:35
I'm still hearing alot of negativity about our guys disposal, i dont actually think its that bad. these are the people who i think hve good disposal.
Ablett,chapman,kelly,mooney,milburn,makie,rooke,bartel,hunt, selwood and prismal. and that's half of wenty two know sure they don't always hit the target but who does it on a consitency basis anyway hasn't anyone heard of redemption before. or is just if they have two shocking kicks they aren;t good by foot. take kelly for instance he always had a beatiful kick when his on song. but at the start of the year everyone rated him as one of the worst kicks in our team and know he's getting back to his 04 and 05 form. if anyone agrees or disagrees ill be happy for there response.
Scarlett is as safe as houses. How you could forget him is beyond me...
Ablett, Chappy, Milburn also.
Jimmy mosly, with the odd turnover. Mooney similiar to Jimmy
Kelly no, while getting better he's still not fully reliable. Neither is Mackie or Hunt...
But like you said, everyone turns it over...
i trust Kane Tenace, Corey Enright and Shannon Byrnes (kicking for goal)
jess_555
12 Jun 2007, 14:41
I agree with most of your good disposal list there GoCats88, especially Prissa, Milburn, Chappy, Jimmy, Moondog... wow we really do have a lot of reliable players.
I'm surprised you put Mackie in that one. He has been much more consistent in 07 but I still get nervous when he gets the ball (BTW I think he has put on some muscle!!!!). Also... you think that Hunt has good disposals, interesting. I wouldn't say that. He is a good player (most of the time) but grrrrr so frustrated at some of his kicks out of the backline lately in the VFL.
It's good to not have to cover my eyes so much (coz of no KK) but I still do often when SJ gets the ball.
Hood007
12 Jun 2007, 14:41
i trust Kane Tenace, Corey Enright and Shannon Byrnes (kicking for goal)
Don't forget Charlie & Henry.
Richmond would be benefitting immensely from Kent's reliability, such a shame for us... :p
Partridge
12 Jun 2007, 15:10
Scarlett is as safe as houses. How you could forget him is beyond me...
Ablett, Chappy, Milburn also.
Jimmy mosly, with the odd turnover. Mooney similiar to Jimmy
Kelly no, while getting better he's still not fully reliable. Neither is Mackie or Hunt...
But like you said, everyone turns it over...
I'd say Scarlett, Gary Ablett, Chappy, Egan, Milburn, Bartel.
Unfortunately most of our midfielders make me cringe - Corey, Enright, Mackie, Enright, Tenace, Enright......I sense a pattern.
I have to say I think both Nathan Ablett and Mooney dispose of the ball as well as anyone. Perhaps as key forwards they realise how important it is.
Cheshire Cat
12 Jun 2007, 15:18
I'd say Scarlett, Gary Ablett, Chappy, Egan, Milburn, Bartel.
Unfortunately most of our midfielders make me cringe - Corey, Enright, Mackie, Enright, Tenace, Enright......I sense a pattern.
I have to say I think both Nathan Ablett and Mooney dispose of the ball as well as anyone. Perhaps as key forwards they realise how important it is.
I agree. Although I think Mackie is improving. You watch a team like Sydney who are so devastating on the rebound and wonder what will happen if these guys continue to dispose poorly in the finals. Theo one thing you can say about Corey is that he gets a lot of the ball, so he can be forgiven for the sheer waight of the time he gets the ball moving forward. Enright would almost be struggling to keep his spot and Tenace's disposal is utter garbage and he'd be the first on the trade bait table.
I love it when GAJ gets the ball, almost always uses it well. If I had to pick someone for a set shot inside 50 I'd pick Ling
ripitup27
12 Jun 2007, 15:23
There's three that I've always trusted and that's G.Ablett, Chapman and Egan. Those starting to win my trust are Bartel, Mackie, Scarlett and Milburn.
Those that I shudder whenever they get the ball are Corey, J.Hunt, Enright, Byrnes and at times Ling.
If I had to pick one, it definitely be Chapman. Gazza is good in general play too but is often inaccurate when shooting for goal.
gocats88
12 Jun 2007, 15:41
i think makie is a good disposal maker when he is on song and same with kelly. anyone remember when kelly absolutely smash the swans with his disposal in 2005 semi final NOT PRELIM FINAL. you don't just lose that sort of skill. he played very well agaisnt adelaide with his kicking prowess when kelly is on song he is one of the most natural things you'll ever see he just looks so clean when his gliding with the footy in his hands, and makie is creating alot of run from our backline and spotting up forwards so what if his a bit inconsitint his getting more confident and using the ball better and better and thats all you can ask of him.
My top 10 in order:
1. Scarlett
2. Chapman
3. Milburn
4. J.Hunt
5. Ottens
6. N.Ablett
7. G.Ablett
8. Prismall
9. Ling
10. Rooke
the average footskills of our team has definitely fallen away somewhat after the departures of the great Matthew McCarthy and sir Kent, unfortunately.
CatmanForever
12 Jun 2007, 16:35
Scarlett by a long way. He is the best player when it comes to running and kicking and hitting another player up the ground. Hunt and Milburn are pretty handy.
Players like Kelly, and Joel Corey can have very bad games. In fact if Joels foot disposal was excellent he'd probably be considered one of the premier midfielders in the competition.
Hood007
12 Jun 2007, 17:22
Scarlett by a long way. He is the best player when it comes to running and kicking and hitting another player up the ground.
Couldn't agree more.
Scarlett by foot. Gary by hand.
Mooney_d'King
12 Jun 2007, 17:30
I'd say Scarlett, Gary Ablett, Chappy, Egan, Milburn, Bartel.
Unfortunately most of our midfielders make me cringe - Corey, Enright, Mackie, Enright, Tenace, Enright......I sense a pattern.
I have to say I think both Nathan Ablett and Mooney dispose of the ball as well as anyone. Perhaps as key forwards they realise how important it is.
Hey, don't forget Enright.
Tonycam*
12 Jun 2007, 17:46
And the Dalai Lamar , Heard he has great ball skills also
I think there is a slight distinction that needs to be made between players who are "good kicks" and players who are "dependable with the ball in their hands".
Generally speaking, guys like Scarlett, Egan, Bartel, Chapman, Ablett (both), Milburn, Mooney, Selwood, Rooke, Stokes, Prismall and even DJ would qualify under the second category.
An example though, I guess, are guys like Bartel and DJ, who I wouldn't exactly classify as fantastic or supremely skillful by foot, but are dependable to make a good decision and execute it more often than not.
This, as opposed to someone like Hunt who I still consider a "good kick" (well, more often than not), but isn't someone I feel particularly safe with when the ball is in his hands. In his case, that has alot to do with the brain more than anything.
oscarheel
12 Jun 2007, 19:37
Ablett and Scarlett
thegerman
12 Jun 2007, 20:00
Scarlett is as safe as houses. How you could forget him is beyond me...
Ablett, Chappy, Milburn also.
Jimmy mosly, with the odd turnover. Mooney similiar to Jimmy
Kelly no, while getting better he's still not fully reliable. Neither is Mackie or Hunt...
But like you said, everyone turns it over...
Yeah, I liked Scarlett's turnover in the first quarter which directly attributed to a Crows goal.
Everyone turns it over, even our best players, however its whether they make up for it. Harley also had some costly turnovers, yet he was able to mark a few also which made up for these.
Where we get found out is that we dominate play, can push it inside 50 more than most teams yet we kick it to 2 on 1 options, and we have no chance.
What I like recently is that we can kick it to a 2 on 1, but then have the ability to chase and make it harder for them to dispose of it in an effective manner. Chasing by Varcoe and Stokes has fired up most of the forwards to chase hard even Otto has been seen on his bike.
Disposals will come and go, sometimes we do have inaccurate disposal, however it is how we make up for it that counts.
Generalissimo
12 Jun 2007, 20:01
Depends on the situation.
Kick in after a behind: Milburn or Josh Hunt
In close, pressure situation, got to get the ball out: G. Ablett
General play: Jimmy Bartel
Set shot from 50: Cam Mooney
Shot at goal on the run: Wojcinski
i trust Kane Tenace, Corey Enright and Shannon Byrnes (kicking for goal)
Don't forget Joel Corey.
He's so pathetic he doesn't even register a behind :p
In terms of consistency, Egan would have to be top 3. One of the reasons he's turning into a gun CHB.
I'm surprised by the number of nominations for Matty Scarlett. His still has a habit of being a little too cute with his kicks sometimes. Things such as little round the body snaps in defence have often resulted in turnovers (see Sunday's game).
For me Bartel and Ablett are the two most reliable and I'm pretty confident they'll hit their intended targets.
Claude Balls
12 Jun 2007, 22:30
Prismall is our most talented by foot, closely followed by Chappy, Scarlett, Gablett, Moons...
I'm surprised by the number of nominations for Matty Scarlett. His still has a habit of being a little too cute with his kicks sometimes. Things such as little round the body snaps in defence have often resulted in turnovers (see Sunday's game).
I think this problem was dominant over the last few seasons (when, funnily enough, Matty was playing inferior football to that of, say, his All-Aus years with the ego and all), and whilst it certainly still exists in his game today, it is significantly less prominent.
I think, more often than not (particularly under pressure though), Matty has shown a return to his sure-figure self in his decision-making and execution.
Ricketts
13 Jun 2007, 00:41
Milburn, G.Ablett, Chapman............ and Jimmy, just because he's Jimmy.
jacmitgee
13 Jun 2007, 12:34
A fact for you all
There is only one player on Geelong's entire list who as far as technique goes has never had to work on his kicking.
See how long it takes to guess who?
A fact for you all
There is only one player on Geelong's entire list who as far as technique goes has never had to work on his kicking.
See how long it takes to guess who?
you need to change your location to "looking down from the top"
jacmitgee
13 Jun 2007, 12:40
you need to change your location to "looking down from the top"
Love your work rizz! Have left that there from last year but will update!
gocats88
13 Jun 2007, 15:38
A fact for you all
There is only one player on Geelong's entire list who as far as technique goes has never had to work on his kicking.
See how long it takes to guess who?
james kelly
jacmitgee
13 Jun 2007, 15:44
james kelly
Nope!
Ling Sting
13 Jun 2007, 16:31
I trust different players in different game situations
Field Kickings most trusted:
Chappy, Dasher, Stokes, Egan, Bartel, Gary Jnr & Pris when he gets a game all seem to have a clear head and foot skills to match.
In the Clinches but not field kicking:
I trust the likes of Corey, Ling, Enright and Kelly for the in clinches but these blokes collectively have shocking foot skills although Ling is a decent set shot and the statically the bets in the league I think.
Disrespect_16
13 Jun 2007, 18:57
A fact for you all
There is only one player on Geelong's entire list who as far as technique goes has never had to work on his kicking.
See how long it takes to guess who?
Hawkins?
Ling?
Kingsley?
crackerjacks
13 Jun 2007, 19:36
I would have to say Chapman is right up there it's hard to critsize the midfield they have the least amount of time to weigh up there options and if under pressure would prefer to see the ball go forward than they get caught being to slow.
would like to egan kick a bit longer but the left footers seem to have that bit extra time to dispose of the ball why ?
jacmitgee
13 Jun 2007, 20:06
Hawkins?
Ling?
Kingsley?
Fitting name buddy!!:p But guess again
Catters21
13 Jun 2007, 20:21
i trust Kane Tenace, Corey Enright and Shannon Byrnes (kicking for goal)
u dont watch cats games? byrnes' disposal is terrible unless handballing, tenace has improved on last year, no way near enough to be the most trusted...surley?
Disrespect_16
13 Jun 2007, 20:31
Fitting name buddy!!:p But guess again
Lol, guess it is on this board with the hate-fest for Charlie. Was coined, more out of the fact that no-one well at least up until recently paid much respect to Pearce.
I like guessing games, but if it's not one of Chapman, Kelly, Gablett, Hunt, Bartel or Byrnes :p, then its got me *%&*ed. The rest of your mob are hacks... jk.
Unless..., you mean Blake as he never kicks it.
And to the clown above, I think Rizzo was being sarcastic.
Catters21
13 Jun 2007, 21:29
And to the clown above, I think Rizzo was being sarcastic.
rite-o, ya tool.
Inferno
13 Jun 2007, 23:41
Jimmeh. End thread.
jacmitgee
14 Jun 2007, 11:51
Otto?
Guess again!
jacmitgee
14 Jun 2007, 11:52
Jimmeh. End thread.
Sorry mate!
Big Nasty
14 Jun 2007, 15:09
Milburn?
sarah.13
14 Jun 2007, 15:50
Mackie?
jacmitgee
14 Jun 2007, 16:26
Milburn?
Sorry mate!
jacmitgee
14 Jun 2007, 16:26
Mackie?
Wrong again!
Hood007
14 Jun 2007, 16:38
Prismall
jacmitgee
14 Jun 2007, 16:41
Prismall
Guess again
Hood007
14 Jun 2007, 18:21
Just say.
Can't be bothered...
sarah.13
14 Jun 2007, 18:40
Guess again
Boring!
Stripey PJs
15 Jun 2007, 01:18
I think there is a slight distinction that needs to be made between players who are "good kicks" and players who are "dependable with the ball in their hands".
Agreed, there are times I wish Hunt would give the ball a little more air. Naturally gifted players can be guilty of lazily over-reaching, compared to those who need to concentrate with every kick. An extreme example; you can be certain Blakey's handball will find it's target, as he invariably takes the safest option. His statistical 'efficiency' reflects this.
Guess again!
Steve Johnson. I wouldn't bother modifying this guy's technique, it would only inhibit his creativity. If he wants to swallow the pill and fart it to a team-mate, then let him.
Copernicus
15 Jun 2007, 02:41
I trust Gaz, Chappy and usually Jimmy with the ball by foot - Gaz by hands is fantastic, of course. Scarlo is usually trustworthy but sometimes he'll try some dinky little pass that doesn't come off. Hunt has drilled some laserlike passes but too often he gets too cute too instead of playing to his strengths.
Too many of our midfielders cough the ball up - poor old Kane got a ton of it on Sunday but I don't think one of his passes hit a target. The Coreys will never be 100% accurate but they do a lot of the ball-gathering and rebounding so they do put in the hard yards and keep the ball in our hands more often than not.
Nath and Moons have fantastic field kicking skills - I rarely see Moons miss a player and some of Nath's creative work, while limited in output, is great to see. Wish his goalkicking was better, though - he seems to flub too many gettable shots. Moons is much better in that regard, or so it has seemed.
jacmitgee
15 Jun 2007, 10:56
Paul Chapman is the only player on Geelong's list who (technique wise) the club has had to do no work with